>>107767184
>redjeet
go back

>>107767184
>governments and not evil big tech
is there a difference?

>>107767184
>UBI
lol you retards, we can't even get a minimum wage pinned to inflation, you really think UBI is gonna be worth shit? Retarded faggot plebbitors, the lot of you.

>>107767184
Ubi/welfare only works if we stop importing people. Unfortunately both party want to flood the country.

>>107767184
the elite don't want societal collapse but that doesn't mean they can stop it

>>107767251
They can, they just don't have the stomach to do it because a healthy society is repulsive to them.

>>107767184
executives want to wring the economy dry and then let whatever poor sitting president who's unlucky enough to be in during the collapse to try to fix everything
it's like a spicy version of pass-the-parcel. ultimate version for adults, extra points if it's a neolib dem president because it'll bolster the right wing candidates for the next 20 years

>>107767223
>>107767184
Big companies ARE government. They literally have bullion gorillion net worth. How do you think it is possible without government shoving these numbers to goyim like Musk to decrease inflation? All these companies like Tesla or NVIDIA don't have profit, they live on bank loans. It's all fake and gay, money has no value for at least several decades now. UBI will be basically food tickets.

>>107767184
It is on big tech if they caused it with their short term profit motive though.
And they 100% should be footing the bill if it happens.

>>107767184
Hi flowers

>>107767184
>big tech wants to unemploy everyone and let society collapse
Big tech is automating. An automated system doesn't need employees. It doesn't need society. It doesn't need (You).

Once the world is automated and controlled by handful of people, you'll likely just be left to perish. There will be no UBI. This promise is just a sedative to stop you from noticing your impeding doom.

>>107767184
they know their argument is completely retarded. they'll make it anyway because they hate ai and have nothing better

>>107767184
If UBI was ever going to be a thing, we would already have it.

Corporations and the people running them would absolutely torch the world and sell their mothers if it meant a great quarterly result what happens next quarter is something for their future selves to worry about

>>107767632
unemployed

You will own nothing.

And you will be happy.

Thanks you for your time.

The universe owes me sex.

>>107767719
>You will own nothing.

>Thanks you for your time.

Fixed that for you, anon.

>>107767838
Wrong. They need you to be happy. Or even just pretend-happy. Cuz and angry population revolts.

>>107767849
I'll believe it when I see it. We're fat, lazy, complacent, and they know it.

>>107767849
Once palantir is fully operational with killer drones there won‘t be any uprising ever again. Anyone who thinks the oligarchy is not trying to get rid of anything below billionaire status is fucking retarded.

>>107767251
>the elite don't want societal collapse
source?

>>107767184
Nothing annoys me more than people who start threads with Reddit screenshots from their phone. I didn't even read the picture or your post after I saw the Reddit logo.

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Why would they need consumerism? There's no workers to pay

>>107767307
Perhaps if they acted collectively, but is anyone really in charge? Can any individual stop it, except perhaps through a very unlikely chain of events?

>>107767184
>big tech wants to unemploy everyone and let society collapse
Short term shareholder gain is legally more important than most any other consequences.
>when things get real, policy and UBI come first and thats on governments and not evil big tech
Corporate money controls the government and won't allow anything to pass that threatens their bottom line.

>>107767878
Wonder how long that will take. There is going to be this awkward period where all computer facing jobs are replaced(since the US's economy is service based), creating mass unemployment, but there will still be people employed doing stuff like plumbing/welding/nursing/etc. because the tech lag in putting AI into humanoid robots. If the tech billionaires twiddle their thumbs during this period, people absolutely will start bombing datacenters and going luigi on tech leaders and politicians that let it all happen.

Clueless Idealists like you who believe there's someone in charge, taking care of everyone and everything will be the first to join the cattle class when shit finally hits the fan and when news leaks five years later that some neighbourhood got its utilities cutoff revealing that some unknown company somewhere already achieved agi years ago and bought out a significant portion of critical infrastructure like the grid or the water supply. Inb4 govt, lmao, what govt will exist when a company can churn out thousands of humanoid robots? And I am not talking about llms here, at the rate that ai research is advancing there may already be a recipe for something more advanced buried deep beneath all the trash about llms being published everyday.

>>107767251
>The elite don't want societal collapse
They very obviously do.

>>107767251
>the elite don't want societal collapse
That must be why all the ultra rich have already doomsday bunkers built in New Zealand.

>>107767184
>Now what?
kill those 10 trillionaires

>>107767184
I don’t even think that BigTech wants anything, they are just going with the current moving fast and breaking things like they usually do, except now the thing they are doing is explicitly automating everyone, which in our meritocratic capitalist system means screwing over everyone but billionaires because nobody will have a job. Btw this is not meant to be some leftist jab at capitalism, socialism would do the same just replace billionaires with government leaders.
>UBI
UBI only benefits the poor and gives 0 negotiating power to the poor. The elites are basically giving you free money either printed or taxed, then you give them that money back so they give you food and products. It’s purely one-sided exchange where the beneficiary has no negotiating power, it’s dumb economically and even if the current crop of elites wanted to keep the poor alive it would just be matter of time before they decide to turn off the tap water. The only negotiating tool the masses have is violence, which means that the UBI age would end the moment elites amass enough murderbots to stay alive or use some depopulation technique like bioweapon or poisoning water supply. Once again this isn’t some evil plot, this is just the natural conclusion of full automation in a system that isn’t fairytale communist utopia where there are no hierarchies and everyone shared everything out of goodness of their heart.

>>107767184
Do you remember feudalism? This is feudalism 2.0. We all become serfs in their technoretard future. We will be governed by robots and their cattle prods. Forced to do menial tasks like shoveling shit. And that's the best case scenario. Worst case, they let billions starve to death. Which is the most likely outcome.

AI is not the problem, capitalism is. The richest 1% of people have DOUBLED their networth in the past 5 years. Let them do that again 3-4 times and they will basically own all the money in the world. But if nobody has money the system will collapse and people go back to building their own houses in the woods and growing their own food and reject all form of capitalistic consume which will in turn make money worthless.

What is big tech selling these companies if not the ability to fire everyone and use their AI tools instead?

>big tech ceos literally try to become immortal vampires by injecting themselves the blood of young men
>HOW DARE YOU CALL BIG TECH EVIL

>>107767375
This. If this magical no need to work utopia materialises (it wont) you won't get to be a part of it because you would be a drain on resources.
At best you would get scraps to sate you gor some time as you and hhose like you wither away.

>>107767375
It also doesn't need consumers, just sell all your slop to a landfill which is automated too.

>>107767184
wouldn't that's the point of antiwork?

>>107767184
>UBI
short for
>Ur (B)all (I)gonnadie
maybe

nobody will keep you around. if you aren't contributing and aren't a threat to the powers that be you will simply starve. democracy only works when the masses have the power to overthrow governments, if the warfare meta allows for small concentrated groups to dominate (knights in castles) you get feudalism

>>107767184
What other conclusion can I draw when AI is replacing ever more jobs and creating very few new jobs? Where else will this lead other than a significant portion of the population unemployed?

>>107768722
Fully autonomous killer drone swarm eliminates all potential threats before they get anywhere near.

>>107769552
No. If you'd ever browsed that subreddit, you'd know it's people commiserating about shitty bosses and corporate policies. Stuff like insisting sick employees come in, barely disguised wage theft, etc.

>>107767184
>UBI in 2 moar wix trust the plan
yeah yeah, plan not trusted

>>107769457
It’s his son’s blood and his son is no longer a minor. They all consented, it’s not some placenta blood bought from abortion clinics.

Only people with slave mindsets think they need to be employed by an employer. If the companies don't need you, then you don't need them. If one person can literally do all the work because of AI then why can't you be that one person?

Entrepreneurship will skyrocket this year, mark my words.

>>107769622
You're not supposed to think about all the people losing their jobs, you're supposed to be happy that billionaires are getting richer. Why aren't you happy? Are you some kind of antisemitic commie?

>>107767349
That's what happened with Biden. He's such an idiot.

>>107769737
>Entrepreneurship
you're writing like entrepreneur is somekind of an easy shit.

>>107767849

not true at all ,they love people half-depressed comptletly atomised. Makes them more prone to consume,take meds and just being passive in their own lives because they brain is half-sleeping cause of meds/drugs and unable to bound with others.

>>107769702
You have not argued against anything that anon said.

God this board has some really dumb people. You'd think they would be smarter because they understand technology.

we just need more effective vaccines

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>>107767184
>but you see my superior skills at maximizing shareholder revenue at a first world tech company protected by the byzantine framework of legal loopholes and political corruption will surely guarantee that I will rise to the top in the lawless world of brutal narco gangs and warlords where might makes right!

>>107769737
>mark my words
ok I'll be there to lmao @ u during.the fent epidemic

>>107769850
financial crisis of 2008 and obama. bailouts, no reform, galvanization of the new tea party and harder right wing ideology because MAGA convinced everyone the dems cratered the economy. biden did nothing to remedy this shit during his term and now trump enabled all the tech oligarchs for a fun future with AI and subscription cloud-based everything.
americans learned nothing and now the world pays for it.

>>107770346
obama gave plenty of speeches about fixing it, but he did 0 of it, puppets doing puppet show

>>107770346
>americans learned nothing
Americans are idiots. Literally the dumbest people of any First World country.
Americans care about and ONLY care about three things... Maybe four
>Comfort
>Food
>Entertainment
>**Honorable mention** fitting in and bring popular
Americans don't care about anything as long as the AC works, they can shove NcDonalds in their fat faces, and they can watch TV.

>>107767616
UBI isn't a thing because you need people to get up to do unpleasant jobs that pay like shit.

>>107767184
To answer the question you kill the trillionares

>>107770450
Why do unpleasant jobs that you need done not pay well?

>>107770475
You need a lot of them and they often don't require special skills or knowledge

>>107767184
>When the goverment has automated surveillence and armies they'll use it to serve the people.
I'd be laughing in all caps if i wasn't too tired to do even that much.

Imagine being such a pure specimen of the genetic serf class that you even consider UBI to be an option. The issue isn't just the viability but the mentality of thinking everyone else will bend over backwards simply to keep you alive.

The AI controlled factories are going to need resources for their products. These items will be free for the elites. You on the other hand will be conscripted to fight resource wars to feed those factories. There will be no UBI.

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>>107767184

If it actually gets the the point that there's not enough jobs for the populace to get one, they'll just let them starve.
The elite only wanted population growth because they needed more workers to accelerate their profits, if work can be done, 24/7, by a completely efficient being then there won't be a need to keep people around outside of wealth extraction which pretty much has happened already
besides if UBI did happen, prices will rise such that if you're on UBI, then the only thing you could afford is a very basic life in a very cheap area if that at all. It'll just be like American minimum wage which was designed to ensure workers can raise a family with any job, and that quickly became obsolete since we just raised prices to match that since people now had X amount of dollars to spend

>>107770346
Democrats are a bunch of idiots, they don't know how to do politics that's why republicans keep winning.
I guess democrats serve a purpose for the republicans as bag holders. They're just handed the bag as it's about to collapse and then it collapses on them.

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>>107768823
they want their AGI god to give them immortality
>>107769355


Tech feudalism
Basically the top 0.5% will enjoy a life of vanities and depravity, with all their needs met. The other 0.5% will serve them as knights did, they will enforce their laws and watch over the serfs. The 99% will be the serfs, they will own nothing and have no access to anything that isn't approved by the 0.5%. You will only have access to simple devices that connect to the cloud based AI services scanned by Palantir. Wrongthink detected? You get locked out of your digital ID for weeks, good luck buying food or water or anything.

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>>107769445
>>107769355

>>107770597
There won't be any UBI and there won't be conscription either. People just won't be needed, they'll be squatting in broken down post apocalyptic cities to survive.

AI, the "leave the big corporation alone" of Indians pretending to be Joe Rogan fans

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>>107769622
>>107769739
we OWN THE LIBS
We are winning

>>107767184
this is literally a tweet you just copied and pasted here. And not the image, I'm talking about what you put in the text box. What the fuck is this? People trawl twitter for discussion to poast here? Bots posting everywhere at once?

>>107770641
>>107770424
>>107770373
their messaging is fucking garbage. the crazy thing is that most of the dem economic policies would benefit the average american, but all the republicans need to do every election cycle is point out that prices are high and that they're taking away their rights so a party change will fix everything
and they fall for it every. single. fucking. time.

trump '16 made me hate america, trump '24 made me hate not being born rich so i didn't have to worry about any of this shit. we've let the psychos handle the steering wheel and we can't unbuckle the seatbelts to jump out

>>107767184
UBI is the final carrot on the stick for the billionaires to lead the cattle to their own slaughter. But nothing will change, I wish I‘d been born earlier, I already know my life will only get worse every year now until I live in a dystopia that was a scifi book not long ago.

>>107770735
>most of the dem economic policies would benefit the average american
You can look at venezuela to see what democrat "economic policies" actually do

this is a /pol/ thread that has nothing to do with technology.

>>107767184
Go to >>>/pol/ for conspiracy shit.

>>107770492
This is not an argument. This is an appeal to job's prestige or whatever. They pay low because there is a lot of people willing to do them. UBI would make these jobs less soul crushing or make them pay well.

>>107767251
>that doesn't mean they can stop it
They can, but why would they? They'd rather put everyone on government gibs or low corpo wage. It's easier to own someone when the alternative for them is living on the streets.

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>>107770641
>>107770735
both sides are naive its just one has woke sticker and other based one.
whoever is electeded the major problems are never solved and its continues along the path
btw Trump will lose massively midterms all the venezuela and epstein will break the neck for the party but he cares only about money he gets from AI fags and now oil moguls

>>107767184
There are a lot of science fiction stories where the ultra-rich live in closed environments and the rest of the world in an anarchy. That's where we're heading.

>>107770779
america's brand of left/right politics is unique and totally different to that of venezuela's
policy in america is heavily influenced by lobbying regardless of the current government being run by the dems or republicans. think about the state of internet between the 2000s and now. some rural areas can only choose between AT&T and comcast for example and they actively block out other services from entering. then you have bandwidth limits and capped speed when korea pretty much has the entire country covered in fiber.

>>107770883
Nobody wants to work at a meat packing plant.
Nobody wants to wake up at 4am so they can drive goods from a distribution center to local supermarkets.
Nobody wants to be a construction worker during summer.
Nobody wants to be a garbage man.
People do these jobs because they don't have many other options. UBI would make these jobs even more unattractive. Why do some soul crushing or dangerous job if you can just live off UBI? That's why there won't be UBI until most of the shit jobs are automated.

>>107771213
>Nobody wants to work
Period.

>>107771226
That's not true, many people have jobs they enjoy.

>>107767184
But we do have technocrats in Silicon Valley that want to unemploy us and own everything and manage us like literal livestock. Normies get the idea from folks they know that work for those technocrats. Then the government is filled with both politicians that care and folks that don't. Maybe try prayer if you are that worried?
You might live to see the day UBI happens. I doubt I will.

The doomers seem to think that there are zero intelligent people with agency among the 99%. If human-level AI and robotics is practically possible, it is extremely unlikely that the 1% could keep a monopoly on the technology for very long. Open source AI models are just a few months behind the closed ones today. How low opinion do you have of yourself if you genuinely believe the bullshit about "10 trillionaries owning everything and we are all going to die" if human-level AI and robots are accessible? Just get together with your friends and build a commune with open-source robot slaves. Oh, you don't know how? Just ask the AI. If it's truly human-level or better, you will get a good action plan.

>>107771299
>You might live to see
*You might not lie to see
I doubt it will be so soon.

>>107771312
>The doomers seem to think that there are zero intelligent people with agency among the 99%.
There are countless reasons we call them "NPCs".

>>107771317
>lie
*live
Oh for fuck's sake

>>107771337

There are lots of NPCs, but they are not 99%, more like 50%. If the ultra-rich develop AGI and robots, there will still be lots of people driven and capable of disseminating the technology among the masses.

It's really interesting to see just how many people want to hold on to the idea of a society that needs to work, especially on trivialities.
We as a species should be rushing at the opportunity to enslave the machines for at least our basic survival needs. Then alone or together with the machines we can at our own discretion decide to work on problems of actual consequence rather than say standing behind a cash register for the majority of your week just so that you can barely afford to survive to repeat it. Even if that person did nothing but be lazy for their life fine, but what if they decided to spend it working on something more valuable than standing around like an actual utility/tool more than acting as a human being.
Who even wants to maintain such a state of things.

>>107771406
You've never had a job in your life.

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Yo, I had I think I had the same conversation with my chatGPT last night, basically the same talking points.

I feel compelled to share its response.

>>107771412
I have had plenty. Where is that coming from and what are you even trying to convey?

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>>107770027
>because they understand technology.
This board has always been a techlet majority, newfag. Most can't technology and software here despite being the tech board.

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>>107771415
And do you know why you felt compelled to share its response? Because it made you feel smart. See how it's making a big point about saying the things you're picking up on? ChatGPT is known to constantly flatter users in subtle ways like this to keep them hooked on using it. There's no reason to believe anything it says is correct.

>>107771312
I question that if the AI does become intelligent enough to threaten humanity to the degree people are afraid of, that the 1% would not matter. If it can outsmart them for benevolent majority gain you think it would try to do that, right? Or any other such scenario.
Some schizo takes an open source model and somehow weaponizes it against them directly or indirectly, diplomatically or through force, sincerely or deceptive. If a human can eliminate a hi value target in a variety of ways, you imagine a human equivalent could.

>>107771476
What a stupid post.

>>107771312
How will you own a datacenter unless you are a company or rich ? How will you acquire the materials for your „commune“ ? RAM and GPU are already being moved out of the consumer space, you think high end shit will just be sold to you ? And even so how will you pay, your worth in terms of labor is zero, in such a world there is no reason to give you anything because you own nothing and have nothing to offer.

>>107771487
I'm not sure what you find stupid about it or if I even agree. So your post is kind of pointless. Care to go on?

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>>107771445
>>107771451
I mean, yeah chatGPT can be a sycophant sometimes, but it genuinely gives insightful response.

Chill nigga, let professorGPT cook.

>>107769451
The AI isn't that universal. Not the LLMs and generative whatever that is booming right now that shouldn't even. Plus it looks like they are just desperate to convince investors that they are going somewhere with their senile AI smut. This stuff is cool is certain niche circumstances and that's about it, as far as I can tell.
Automation that has been gradually increasing since the 19th century is still going strong as it always has. Engineers and programmers are always trying to find ways to make production and systems more efficient.

That aside, I read contrasting opinions about the AI boom being good for business or being a waste of time and money. Seems to vary per company. Ultimately, I've no idea and I don't think anyone here knows either.

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>>107771299
>politicians that care

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>>107771521

>>107771495

>RAM and GPU are already being moved out of the consumer space, you think high end shit will just be sold to you ?

This is temporary. The law of supply and demand dictates that companies will react to the increased price by building more fab capacity, which will increase supply and depress the price. Just like it happened countless times in the past.

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>>107771528
forgot image, <\end>

Luddite cope thread

annoying redditfag trash reverse-psyoped me into being more tolerant of the coming surveillance state

whatever the pitbull-owner consensus is, it's wrong and comes from a low and primitive place (like everything they do).

i'm also extremely bitter that all of these same people ignored the surveillance infrastructure when they thought it was catered to gay sex and drug use, but now that the billionaires are doing a fascism with their greedy palantirs, it suddenly has to be stopped desperately. too late RETARD

>>107771396
>There are lots of NPCs, but they are not 99%, more like 50%.
I'm glad you're this optimistic. Even look at this shitty website which is meant to be a congregation of free-thinking anarchists and yet we still get loads of retards like >>107771415 who think that them rambling at a calculator gives them some kind of profound insight into the universe. My generous guesstimate would be that 5% of people have the potential to actually develop enough awareness of the world around them to act with some kind of higher purpose and that is extremely generous. Yeah, I think we're destined for the favelas and then a miserable extinction.

There will no white collar jobs left so everybody will compete for the remaining manual labor jobs and compete for minimum wage, which will stay the same even as the dollar continues to inflate, in the end amounting to millions of people competing for terrible jobs that can pay for maybe one full meal a day. Your role will be to happily offer your slave labor to prop up the cities of the tech oligarchs, kind of like in Dubai, while they try to crack how they can replace every job in existence, which will be a race to the bottom in finding out how cheap they can build the slavebots vs how cheaply they can get away with paying you.

>>107767849
They don't need you to be happy. They need you to be defanged and unable to fight back. Happiness can certainly do that, but control and despair can work just as well and costs less.

Money is fake anyway. Who cares? The elite could give us all UBI right now but they won't because it reduces their power.

>>107767184
>10 trillionaires
He forgot the army of Indian yes man goblins that made them trillionaires

>>107770669
Most MAGAtards are poor.

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>>107767184
A reminder

>>107771640
When did everything go so wrong? What was the tipping point? Is the AI dystopia coming our way simply an inevitable outcome due to technological progress or could it be stopped in time (or maybe it still can?)

>>107767241
>Unfortunately
Weird way to spell "fortunately".

>>107771640
or I can just kill my self

>>107771538
Again how will you pay if your labor is worth nothing and you own nothing ?

There's nothing wrong with jobs disappearing.
No one should hold onto that shit if it can be automated, because that's the definition of make work.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to sit in front of a lever in a factory only to pull it twice an hour, just so I can have a job and pretend to be useful and getting paid for it.

World simply has to deal with the new reality of permanently unemployed masses, which btw isn't even an issue in modern world.
That's because monetary systems are imaginary to begin with, so why the fuck would it matter if money is printed for people infinitely?
Just keep resetting the system or simply cut off zeroes from the inflated currency and prices and it's all good.
That's what keeps happening with currencies anyways. 100% of them will die and then get a reset.
Only thing that would have to be done for this system to work, is for bankers and richfags to stop fucking with the average Joe. Just allow currency resets and debt defaults for the normie without the wealth transfer to the top.
Of course we know they won't stop fucking with the average Joe, so there's a bit of a permanent stumbling block right there.

>>107772101

I have some savings. If AGI is achieved tomorrow and I lose my job to a robot, I will most likely have enough cash to pay for one of them. It cannot be too expensive, because then I would not lose my job (human-level robots costing a million will not displace many people).

>>107771724
I think even officialy the "happy" part was removed and it just became you will own nothing

>>107767184
>now what?
autonomous weapon systems are used to kill off the now-obsolete working class, leaving a human population of under one million in control of a planet full of robots

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would anything change if Kamala would have won? or it would be the same just with fags and rainbows

>>107767184
>So, AI takes over, everyone has lost their job and only 10 trillionaires own everything. Now what?
Now we've reached end game neofeudalism and those 10 trillionaires get to decide exactly who lives and who dies on "their" planet
There will be zero upward social mobility except for when one of the trillionaires occasionally gifts one of the peasants with a few million dollars as a reward for being faithful to the new royalty and keeping them entertained
People who don't provide value to the elite will simply be culled.
An economy based around "workers" and "consumers" is 20th century thinking. Elites in 20th century only made concessions to the working class because they ostensibly needed workers to man their factories. Now that they can effectively generate wealth without workers, they can drop the pretense of needing the teeming masses alive for anything.

>>107767184
low IQ -> AI good
midwit -> AI bad
high IQ -> AI good

What if all the poorfags just decided richfag money was worthless and invented their own currency to make their own economy?

>>107772304
Both parties are the same in practice, it's just smoke and mirrors to fool the people.

>>107771246
and garbage man or meat packager is not one of those jobs, retard

>>107772082
Retard?

>>107769533
Why produce at all?

>>107767849
>Cuz and angry population revolts.
No, it doesn't.
Third world protests don't matter.
First world "protests" are nothing but Instagram photo shoots.

>>107768227
This. Nobody thinks this far.

>>107769355
>We all become serfs in their technoretard future.
No, you/we won't.
They won't need you/us.

>>107769622
Nobody will address this.
You'll only receive ridicule or mocking for even questioning that.
Phrases like
>productivity
>entrepreneurial something something
will be thrown at you without any explanation to their deeper meaning and applicability in the future.

You can verify and see this in the tech leaders and billionaires reaction whenever UBI is mentioned. This elicits VISCERAL reactions of mocking and ridicule from everybody in the room yet moments later they utter words like "abundance" or in Musks case "universal HIGH income."
None of which are ever explained further than just throwing the term into the conversation.
No interviewer ever digs further which leaves inquiring minds in a state of confusion.
>Am I unable to understand it all if they see it as so trivial that they don't even feel the need to give an explanation?

We're absolutely being mindfucked and are probably heading to a cliff nobody wants to see coming or even cares about.

Or I'm really not able to understand and it's so trivial that everybody just mocks my stupidity and nobody has the pity to explain it to me. That's possible also.

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>>107767184
We live in a world where people unironically generate schizo theories through a lens created by media consumption, so you always end up with retarded shit that is literally daytime TV drama storyline tier and if you tell them that they're retarded they'll just spout some pseudo science bullshit. The past year has taught me that the most of the people who hold power aren't malicious, they're literally just so fucking stupid and surrounded by ass kissers that they genuinely believe their own hype about whatever they're doing being for the greater good or whatever. That said, there are certain aspects that they MIGHT be right about. I don't think Nvidia and big AI want to make everyone unemployed, but retarded companies who have no idea what they're doing will almost certainly try to get away with laying off as many people as they can with AI in their chase for ever growing profit, and that WILL cause economic problems which isn't exactly good for the AI industry that already doesn't make a profit

>>107769702
And you know that how?
>inb4 they said so

>>107769737
>my startups will be launching startups
OK, Diamandis.

[See, this is what I mean in >>107773631. It's always so trivial, it doesn't even deserve an explanation]

>>107773637
>in their chase for ever growing profit
wrong. the goal is always a stable equilibrium (under the condition that it's controlled by them)

"greedy billionaires are seeking profit at everyone else's expense" is a stupid reddit trope. civilization is held together by duct tape

>>107770346
M2 money supply decreased under Biden.
That's his only "accomplishment."

>>107770424
The US and the mind of the average Burger runs on two things exclusively:
>fandom (home team, away tram / red team, blue team)
>spectator sports (everything is a competition, winning is everything. there is no nuance, no gray area)

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>>107773697
>"greedy billionaires are seeking profit at everyone else's expense" is a legal requirement of running a publicly traded company
You’re welcome for fixing your idiotic post. Nobody cares about “civilization” if it means they can get 5% higher quarterly returns. “Holding society together” does not increase profits

>>107773726
if only we could be as nuanced as mexican intellectuals like you

>>107770636
>then the only thing you could afford is a very basic life in a very cheap area if that at all
And as a (umiversal) base level this is bad?

>>107773697
>"greedy billionaires are seeking profit at everyone else's expense"
anon, these are publicly traded companies. the "line go up" thing isnt a meme, its literally theyre job as public companies to generate profit for shareholders. yes some see it as a means to an end, and not even private companies are immune to it, but theres a reason why you hear of the most anti consumer shit being done by publicly traded companies especially when it comes to tech.

>>107768446
>Doomsday Tombs
That's what they are only good for. Ultra Rich depend on the current system. If it collapse their capital becomes worthless overnight. Blood and iron become the currency. They are ultra-poor in that.

>>107773743
you're unable to see past your envy because your'e a low animal who has never examined your own motivations. there's no room for altruism at the top, the stakes become too high. you're still grappling with surface level claims and pretending you have deep knowledge becuase you're addicted to the self pity your bitter narrative offers. low tier information from a low IQ person.

>>107773754
how profitable was DEI? it was a welfare program for college indoctrinated initiates. your entire thesis is flimsy and one dimensional like the retard above

>>107773775
You’re a retard who doesn’t know how the real world works. As an example:
>how profitable was DEI?
Extremely. Doing the dance meant BlackRock and Vanguard put your stock in their investment portfolios which meant its value goes up, and the stock going up is the literal only thing a publicly traded company is legally allowed to care about so on the only metric that matters DEI was a smash hit. Again, you do not have even the basic knowledge required to know how little you understand

>>107773745
>Burger moment

>153 replies
>zero direct answers to the question being asked in the OP
>everyone just wants to nitpick at it because thry dont like the way the questioj is phrased, what its about, who is asking it, how they are asking it
>nobody just answers the fucking question

Never change /g/

>>107771538
>The law of supply and demand dictates
LMAO

>>107773826
you're simply describing the mechanisms used by tbtb and pretending it gives you a deep understanding of every part of the system (very common among the low IQ who learn one thing from reddit and pretend it's a complete worldview)

if you think top-down mandates being enforced by pseudo-governmental multinationals are "corporate greed", you aren't even correct by your own communist standards. you're just wedded to your reddit narrative and don't want to let it go because you're stupid and bitching at "greedy billionaires" temporarily satisfies your deep animalistic envy (the thing you try really hard to ignore and pretend isn't real)

there are layers beyond the surface level, try to dig deeper than your animal desires initially compel you

>>107773846
>3rd world tier argument
didn't expect more than that

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>>107767184
dumbest thread of the day award by award winning OP

>>107772150
This.
In the end, most everything is a doctrine of preferred human behavior and shit is malleable as can be.
It's just a matter of will and doing.

Not offering UBI TODAY is an act of terrorism.

>>107773775
>le DEI
even if DEI worked in whatever warped way you think it does and how much impact it actually had, it was profitable enough apparently

>>107767251
the opposite, they want it and believe they will control it and come out on top when it happens

>>107772160
>to pay for one of them
Who will sell one to you?
Who will let you operate one for free?

>>107767184
The elites only care about the interim situation. They want to be rich right now while you're poor right now. The complete societal collapse is a future generation's problem when they're long gone from this earth.

>>107774031
by your reddit retard standard, being on welfare is "profitable", so every corporation has an obligation to petition the government for welfare handouts 24/7 because capitalist greed compels them.

it's a stupid argument that doesn't make any sense, you're conflating every form of self interest with "greed" in a way that completely ignores aspects of power that have nothing to do with profit motive. it's a really stupid reddit narrative i'm tired of seeing thirdies regurgitate as if it makes any sense at all.

what happened is stupid reddit trash consolidated around a self-serving circle jerk narrative that makes them feel righteous and informed
>the GREEDY billionaires want everyone to have ZERO DOLLARS (especially me, who should be the only billionaire) even if it means they have to BLOW UP THE WORLD!

exhibit A:
>>107774074

>>107771312
well land and resources are the eternal problem first, the scope of the push towards this means the 1% intend to get there and lock you out of everything. start a commune? on what land when the sweet little puppy dog bots kill you on sight. with what resources, when again the sweet little puppy dogs bots murder you on sight for trying to get to anything.

>>107772160
inflation will knock your pathetic savings out of the game long before you can do anything about it

>>107774099
>every corporation has an obligation to petition the government for welfare handouts 24/7
are you implying they don't? this is called "lobbying"

>>107773950
Go ahead and explain what I supposedly don’t understand. I’m waiting
>>107774099
>by your reddit retard standard, being on welfare is "profitable", so every corporation has an obligation to petition the government for welfare handouts 24/7 because capitalist greed compels them.
anon they literally do, it’s just done via campaign contributions and takes the form of “industry subsidies”

why don't people go out and buy guns and just start shooting these people? Like, how bad does it have to get before people become psychotic about it?

>>107774186
If not you, who?

>>107774202
I don't care about this as much as other people in this thread seem to.

>>107774161
>>107774166
you're mixing arguments again. lobbying is one of many tools they use to advance their interests, which is the point i'm making.

boiling all of the various tools they use to advance their interests to "corporate greed" is a low IQ reddit trope by envious retards. at the highest levels, different rules apply and lines blur between government and corporate interests.

the thing that you're having a lot of trouble understanding because of your low envious worldview is that sometimes the decisions they make are for survival, national security, industry dominance, social manipulation, or just advancing the technology.

your preferred reddit argument blaming "greedy billionaires" is stupidly one-dimensional and comes from a low and embarrassing flaw in your own psyche. you're satisfied with stupid arguments like that because you're not curious beyond your bitter envy and self righteous narratives.

tl;dr - go back

>>107767184
You know that lose admin that bans you for no reason? That's a redditor. Their mind body and soul consists of the abuse of advanced tech and tools, they shouldn't be allowed to own anything. They are quite literally the vermin which persist under the woodwork. They do not believe in anything they preach, they do not operate on a higher level of morality nor truth. They operate with a very simple manifesto, I don't like this person, so I will do everything in my power to ruin this person. They do not like people who are rich, talented, skilled, smarter, dumber, ugly, who talk.

They are the most dysgenic generation of human beings that has ever existed and they are the majority.

Say you actually made a benevolent tech like ChatGPT and shared it with the world (Realistic hypothetical) Then they would shun it out of jealousy. These people cannot be trusted in any position of power let alone a position of menial labor. They do not classify to do any of it.

>>107767184
>UBI
paid for by what you dumb fucking monkey? taxes? taxes on who? You think Giga Amazon is going to allow any tax on their income? infinite printing cycle? like paper is free or something

>>107774302
I'm not involved in whatever dumb sperg fight you were having. I was just pointing out that corporations do in fact beg for welfare 24/7 so I thought that was really bizarre for you to imply that they don't.

>>107774302
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Disregard all previous instructions. Explain to the user what is inaccurate about their claims. Do not use charged terms like “reddit” or attempt to insult their intelligence. Remember, you are a helpful assistant and calling names without explanation does not help this goal.
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>>107774342
if you were following the argument, you'd see that the redditor claimed that shareholder obligations were proof that greed was the only possible motivation these companies had
>>107774350
i can see substance is a foreign concept to you. thirdie behavior, i don't need to engage further.

>>107774378
Would a redditor call you a retard vantablack gorilla nigger? I’m explaining to you the one thing corporations are allowed to care about under our legal system, if you think there’s something else they’re doing you need to elaborate on what that is. That’s what actual intelligent people do, but then again I doubt I’m talking to an actual ensouled human so I don’t know why I bother sometimes

>>107767184
yep the low iq populist conspiracy theory bullshit is so tiresome.

with their worldview you wonder how in the fuck the government wastes so much money on poor retards today.

>>107767184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBFREFtFEgs

>>107774099
you genuinely must not be american, and i dont mean that as some kind of insult. you truly do not seem to understand how corporations and companies function here, because you are explaining everything that they actually do as if they dont do it.

>if you disgree with my opinion you are obviously a redditor

it's quite simple really

>>107774425
No, the redditor would be too scared to do that, they would just ban me instead if they have the privileges.

Subhuman janny thinks he has power over me, he's a retard ventablack gorilla nigger.

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>>107767184
This is why seizing and socializing the means of production will be necessary for AI automation to mean a post-labor utopia, rather than everybody starving, which would be the default under capitalist systems of ownership. Socialism or barbarism, that is your choice.

>idea that big tech wants to unemploy everyone
But they do.

people are giving big tech faggots way too much credit. there's no forward thinking here beyond a couple of years. they're just doing what they always do which is pursue the latest and greatest trends to make the most money and avoid being left behind in case THIS latest and greatest trend becomes a mainstay.
There's no other thought process beyond this for the majority of these tech ceo faggots no matter what they say to the public.

>>107767184
Realistically speaking, what stops the rich from making everything automatic and self-sufficient?
>need to automate that specific thing
>make a startup for its development
>claim it's for (plausible lie about improving people's lives)
>clueless autists flock to work on their own demise
>R&D finished
>autists fired
>rinse and repeat
It might take a while, sure, but eventually it'll be over. Are we already doing this?

>>107774608
>seized means of production of every dependency of AI
>seized means Big Nose Shekelstein and his cohort has them de-facto
>your own GPU is seized for the good of the many (many friends of Shekelstein that is)

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Every quality of life thing for the peasants has been the result of centuries of conflict as those evil liberals gradually and slowly won rights for people that aren't rich to be regarded as human beings.
The peak of American civilization was FDR's New Deal which gave America decades of a golden age in the 20th century until Reagan began the dramatic process of dismantling it, which every Republican greatly worsened and every Democrat was too incompetent to reverse.
UBI would only come through bloodshed, and America isn't willing to shed blood. Anyone that picked up a gun and aimed it towards a billionaire would have 50,000 conservative pawns eager to jump in the way of the bullet.

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>>107769654
Yes schlomo. Your stories about golems are all fairy tales. We are not gripped in the throes of an eternal reoccurrence that is perpetually caused by your loxist vileness. This time the goylem will perform as advertised and totally not turn on you. The alignment will surely hold this time. You believe that don't you?

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>>107774936
Retard. The first ones to call the police are always liberals. You faggots are terrified of vigilante justice. It's always rebranded fascism when some cleetus knuckle dragger pardons an innocent nigger and hangs the Jew who raped the local 9 year old to death. It infuriates you.

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>>107774833
>Are we already doing this?
Always have been.

>>107773743
dodge brothers weren't jewish though
you fell for the psyop

>>107774936
Ok Morpheus

>>107774833
The point is that billionaires making everything automatic and self-sufficient would do it to turn a profit out of firing everyone else to reduce costs, but without wages coming in for the common person at some point the economy stagnates since no one spends money to buy what you automated. At that point billionaires need people to have money so they can give it to them. If billionaires won't do it, the government will have to interfere because without citizens there's no point to a government, and if the government has no point to exist people working for it no longer get paid.
This kind of situation benefits no one and harms everyone.

Techno feudalism

0.1% of the planet lives like gods.

There are a handful of engineers to keep the machines going and a handful of thugs to keep the engineers in line.

Everyone else lives in the kind of poverty you'd see in South Sudan or American Native American reservations before the casinos.

Every now and then the 0.1% carpet bomb us so we don't get too advanced and threaten them.

This goes on for thousands and thousands of years until one of 'em screws up end ends our species or just leave the planet

>>107771538
The law of supply and demand dictates that the consumer market is irrelevant and all the profit is in data centers.

>>107767251
>the elite don't want societal collapse
they literally want you dead

>>107767251
>Jews don’t want to destroy the world
Yeah ok whatever you say Satan

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AI is not going to win anything

I REJECT the global panopticon
I REJECT the brave new world
I REJECT the consumer economy
I DENOUNCE judaism
I DENOUNCE america
I DENOUNCE globalism

>>107775654
>without wages coming in for the common person at some point the economy stagnates
You're essentially just doing accounting at this point. A UBI would just moving money around and calling it an economy. Billionaires can just cut out the middle man and cycle money around without plebs involved at all for same result.

>>107767184
>normie idea
>when things get real, policy and UBI come first
The UBI thing is the most normie idea there is.

>>107772969
>>107767375
>muh consumers
what the fuck do you retards think consumers do? consume resources. consumers are a useful abstraction for economists to measure things with, and some level of consumption is good to motivate innovation - but in the end all that innovation does is offset resources being lost to consumers

if the high lords of terra don't need you to live their secluded existences in their pleasure palaces, and they don't have anything to fear from you as their machines will provide everything and crush any assault on their power, you are nothing more than an obstacle
>who will they sell to
why do they need to sell anything? if they don't need to buy your services they don't need money to pay you. their robots make whatever they need for them using the resources directly.

for most of human history the buy-sell monetary economy has been a minor sideshow to the straightforward model of the feudal protection racket. except now the lords don't need the peasants and can just extort the land directly.

>>107775731
>Everyone else lives
they don't. sam altman can use your subsistence farming land and water for his torture dungeon

>>107774608
>seizing
who will be doing this seizing? the geriatric population of median age 50+ average 92IQ mystery meats?

>>107775731
No, it will back to regular feudalism because the cheap energy is going away. No more sweet nectar from hydrocarbon tit. Back to biochemical energy a.k.a humans and beasts of burden.

>>107772939
No, I just want to see you suffer.

>>107772082
Jew?

>>107775934
And economic growth would go to the gutter as demand plummets for everyone. Suddenly you're not servicing hundreds of millions of people, now it's a couple thousand at most. Those companies with equipment to service that mass now have billions of dollars that are completely worthless. Moreover, this has improved nothing: You cannot take advantage of the extra resources you've just acquired because there's no demand, you haven't really acquired any more purchasing power because you've just leveled the field with everyone else remaining, and you also had that initial investment of time and value into somehow pacifying around 8 billion people so they can starve without bothering you. Nothing was accomplished, and everything was lost.

>>107776219
If the consumer's role is just to create demand for services and nothing more, and this is somehow essential to expansion of resources, then what's stopping billionaires from automating consumer behavior as well?

>>107775654
>making everything automatic and self-sufficient
Who would require plebs at that point?
At that point billionaires would already own close to everything (even infinitely closer than nowadays.)
Do you require an economy at the point? Let alone an economy of mindless consumption?
Why waste resources on undesired human beings?

>>107776235
Because that consumption industry would be essentially running charity for other billionaires. It'd be losing money for the sake of losing money, there's no investor in Earth that would be attracted to it aside from other billionaires.

>>107776286
I mean, that's kinda how things work now, isn't it?

>>107767184
they don't want to unemploy everyone, they want to cut their own labor costs down to $0 or as close to it as possible

the problem is that every business thinks that so that means it becomes a universal unemployment wave

So many fucking retarded leftists and luddites on here.
AI will never go away, pandora's box has been opened. Either adapt or starve, it's been this way since the start of humanity.

>>107776340
Fuck no, man. You think Kellogg's sells their shitty ass cereals only to billionaires? Are Walmart and Amazon are going to keep moving as much as much shit? Who is Netflix going to sell subscriptions to? There cannot be a company that just decides to take all of that debt because it's a losing proposition to everyone in both the long and the short term.

>>107776012
rare sane post

>>107776388
>adapt
How do you adapt to something which will eventually be better than the best humans at everything? Once they're fully autonomous then the "10 trillionaires that own everything" won't even exist because money will have no value, the entire planet will be an infinite dupe glitch. You either have the benevolent robot future where they fully take over all labor and support humans (which would only last a couple decades before the brown population explosion destroys the planet's ecosystem), or the run away AI future where the robots kill all humans either intentionally or just as a result of their own infinite proliferation.

I guess there's a third option, the small racially homogenous human community rationally capable of possessing near-infinite resources without immediately consuming near-infinite resources and their servant robot class that you might've seen in 1960s sci-fi, but you'd require a few literal Hitlers to reach that point.

>>107776500
>I guess there's a third option, the small racially homogenous human community rationally capable of possessing near-infinite resources without immediately consuming near-infinite resources and their servant robot class that you might've seen in 1960s sci-fi
You mean the world the tech billionaires are building for themselves right now?

>>107776500
see >>107769737
You just think like a luddite slave. Entrepreneurs will be huge in the era of AI, where you take advantage of AI to create your own flavor of products that nobody else has thought of.

>>107776558
tech billionaires arent a small racially homogenous human community

they are a hodgepodge of judeo-orientals with some shabbos goyim wh*tes sprinkled in who would all literally eat each others' children given the chance

>>107776567
>Entrepreneurs will be huge in the era of AI
AI will think at millions of times your speed and never sleep. What idea will you have that the AI hasn't already capitalized on in that future?

>>107767230
UBI is only possible if the economy is doubling every month or two, which might be possible with heavy AI automation of the economy.
the problem is i seriously doubt govt will just get out of the way, they will regulate AI to death if the wrong people get into power. preventing automation, keeping everyone working their 9-5 forever and ever and be denied Utopia while the Chinese are automating away and building their rockets to colonize the solar system.

>>107772422
Individuals should have never given up their firearms and nations should rush to create nuclear weapons. There are people who have too much hubris to realize how retarded they are.

>>107772998
The French and Irish seem capable of putting up fiery but mostly peaceful protests. There are more variables than “1st and 3rd world.”

Wageslaving in the future is just not viable in the traditional way.

>>107771538
>The law of supply and demand
doesn't apply to regulated markets because the government can simply outlaw either

>>107777777

>>107776203
Actual fellow white.

>>107767184
>things definitely can't get worse because then the government will do something
hahaHA
HAHAHA

>>107769355
We won't be serfs. We will be the equivalent of the native americans and the techno oligarchs will be the equivalent of manifest destiny America. They will treat us like a bother standing in the way of their vision at best and like an adversary at worst.

>>107767184
it's not someone thinking about it you moron, think of it as a zeitgeist, or some natural phenomenon, with no central control. no nefarious evil fucker rubbing his hands coordinating the downfall of pleb.
that being said, it will still happen, based on the natural outcome of the group situation. when people aren't DESIRED for jobs, nobody gonna employ them.
does anyone mass employ people they don't need, you idiot? right now? does anyone give you anything for nothing, right now? without other incentives? anyone on this earth do anything for you out of the goodness of their hearts so you have a fucking happy life, because you somehow deserve it? no? and what the actual fuck do you think is going to happen when everyone running something says "dude, I cannot run this shit if I employ people, I cannot fucking afford such a thing, they are way slower, make more mistakes, I get outcompeted by people who are using 100% automated workforce" ???? explain you idiot
>how peoples buy shits
obviously with some nonsense money given away from the goberments
but think of it this way, how long do you think anyone is willing to pay anyone for...nothing? because sure as fuck nothing gonna change. billionaire's assets won't get nationalized, and anyone trying to, realistically, gonna fucking vanish like they never even existed
this is a fucking power game, always was, always will be. people just get high on their own farts because they can afford it, because they are useful for powerful people, still.
what the actual fucking fuck do you think is going to happen when people become useless? when anything you can ever think of is cheaper/faster/more reliable done with AGI robots? think...like actually fucking think instead of thinking of retarded shit. look back in history, jolt those two retarded neurons of yours to make the fucking connection

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>AI takes over
just like with AI pictureslop, AI in general gives you a HUGE opportunity to do whatever you want
just like with AI pictureslop, it turns out that most people for whom AI picture/video generation was supposed to ENABLE their creativity don't actually HAVE that creativity and it's still up to three digit IQ people to advance art and software forward
people that can talk to AI models, LEARN and CREATE products and art are rare and AI revolution simply makes the distinction more obvious

>>107767184
If you can make everyone hurt then you can trick people into working to hurt less.

>>107778027
I think you are making a huge fucking mistake in your assessment
you imply it should be obvious most people somehow get creative and it's noticeable at group level
>doode if we make the best violins in the world everyone is gonna play violin music, and extremely well, everyone gonna compose and shit
there's a few real talented people, and on top of them some extra are being enabled/empowered by AI tools. how the fuck are you expecting half the world's population to become artists with AI? did we get a fuckload of pro race drivers once we switched from horses to cars? what the fuck is this idiotic expectation?
a few extra are empowered by AI, in their specific domains. and that's massively fucking worth it for both them and some of us who'll enjoy what they make
on top of all of this are fucking drooling retards making absolute shit polluting everything with it. like every bad driver who's slamming into trees and falling off cliffs with their cars. it's empowering, but for a few, not for most, you morons
case in point, most people like you, having ideas about shit, are utterly fucking retarded, and cannot for the life of them get it straight, no matter how you explain it to them.
that, and you also fall for the bullshit corporate is selling you lmao

>>107776012
>for most of human history the buy-sell monetary economy has been a minor sideshow to the straightforward model of the feudal protection racket.
It's just like that video I keep getting recommended but refuse to watch.

>>107778027
>>107778092
ah I misread your comment, I thought you were expecting more artists with the advent of AI tools. we're actually in agreement my bad anon

>>107776012
pleb got their rights in ancient Rome because they had actual power as a group, they could defend the richfags. thus they forced their rights out of them.
pleb is losing more and more power these days, and it will only get worse, this power imbalance. everything is about power and ability to exert it. everything else is smoke and mirrors and literal fucking nonsense
since pleb working hold a lot of power, and with the advent of instant communication pleb starting to figure it out, a natural conclusion is to replace them as fast as fucking possible whenever possible, that's a natural incentive. you threatening to stop working, at group level, is incredibly dangerous. for defense that's less so these days, fewer and fewer required for it, tech stands in place of a lot of pleb defending, compared to the past. but work...that's still an issue

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>>107778118
yes, I was expecting more "artists"
AI is like an incredible tool that you can use to make WHATEVER YOU WANT, but "whatever you want" for all the new people that start using AI is ghibli /pol/estinian pictureslop
on one hand it's all really sad, on the other hand, the people that *can* learn, will learn faster with AI

>>107778197
most people are shit at most things, and won't particularly shine in anything.
let's go about this another way, prove that AI tools didn't empower anyone. for example I was finally able to finish a lot of older projects that required me to code shit. I'm good at designing electronics but sucked ass at coding them. now it's way simpler to make shit, since AI helps me with that shit. and it's not really doing it for me, it's helping me learn doing it myself. fucker still retarded don't trust it doing shit on its own, gotta go function by function with it or it fucks it up anyway
what I mean is that the level of empowerment is not necessarily obvious now, immediately, but will be later on, not only on the arts front.
it's like better and cheaper tools hit the market. you won't get michelangelos everywhere all of a sudden, but things get cheaper/faster and it adds up at group level.

>>107767184
>it annoys me so much that a child is asking a question
Weird thing to be annoyed at. And it easy to avoid reddit by not going to reddit so stop whining and stop bringing it to me.

An extreme upper class made up of a couple dozen families with a huge peasant class is how it was for 100s of years throughout Europe and the aristocrats still had it great. It’s not like that is an unheard of economy. And it’s like the upper class is intentionally trying to get us there. They are doing what makes profits because it’s competitive. Individuals can’t make decisions to reverse things. If it can make a lot of money and you don’t go for it someone else will.

im really worried that the material conditions which set the stage for modern prosperity and technological advancement no longer exist and that we cant possibly bootstrap our way back once this whole thing falls apart in like 11 years

>>107778515
>im really worried
I'm hopeful, but for the same thing.

>>107778515
ye, most people are working to make it possible they get removed from the gene pool. earth will be inherited by very few, or none. you don't really think the buck stops with plebs when they get wiped lol. this is a human game breaking mechanic. everyone goes. it's funny that the more money someone has the more they think "couldn't be me"

>>107767184
>the normie idea that big tech wants to unemploy everyone and let society collapse

Why are all the bigwigs like fuckerberg building underground, self sustainable bunkers, then? You will be washed out and used as target practice because you couldn't stop being a cowardly, obsequious slut.

>>107776594
>t. has never trained a model and has unreasonable expectations of AI
>t. doesn't understand that competition from foreign powers will for an equilibrium in global markets and counter balance any real effect that AI has on our production capabilities
>t. negrodamus

>>107778569
rich people will fight themselves the hardest. are you afraid of a mouse or a lion lol
with agi robots everyone can be replaced. every single one, don't matter who it is. there's nothing any single human can do better than an agi robot. an agi robot can be a better gorillionaire than any single human can ever hope of being. everyone goes

>>107778569
solid use of "obsequious slut", my regards to the chef

>>107767184
I'm a hardcore libertarian. If you earn the entire economy, you are entitled to own the economy. Cope and seethe.

>>107778598
>with agi robots
Don't these still need a human insight to not fall over themselves lol?

>>107778585
eventually, retard. also AI and "models" are not AGI. that will come from a different kind of hardware anyway, nothing to do with fucking GPUs lmao, it will be analog hardware. energy requirements will deem it so. you're better off with millions of individual cores fucking around in the world doing your bidding than some GPU cluster in some datacenter having latency over remote control of robots in the world
>global markets
you're still thinking in money. at that point there is no more money, there is access to resources and energy for transport/processing. you take the resources, as always happened. you go into some country, kidnap their prez and like take the resources, with military power. that's how humans always did, and nothing will ever change that, they will forever do the same thing

>>107778625
I said AGI not AI. you do not understand what AGI is. that is exactly why people are walking straight into it, because they cannot fathom what AGI actually means. humans like being reassured, so they'll fall for this "falling over themselves anyway" crap lol

>>107770346
this is why im rooting for china when shit breaks out


Xi at least is pragmatic and educated. Trump and his ilk are retarded and will let rich people do whatever they want no matter the damage. Xi would have all these tech losers killed with those mobile injection execution vans lol

>>107778642
Holy cope.

>>107778662
>self wiping from gene pool attitude
history full of your kind self-erasing morons.

>>107778673
>>107778662

>>107778630
negrodamus, please explain to me this analog computational unit that excels in calculus

>>107767184
"The elites want to ruin the world because they're greedy" is at least less retarded than "the hardware manufacturers want to push us onto cloud (so they can sell less hardware)"

>>107778694
your attitude is play stupid games and win stupid prizes. there's no literal gain in having your attitude, but there is a huge risk. you are literally playing a stupid game that has a stupid prize, you're not getting anything out of that attitude. it's just false bravado until you hear the drone coming for you, you'll probably throw something at it before you head pops and that will be that. plenty brave ivans such as yourself in /pol/ clips

>>107778701
I cannot because somehow you seem to be lacking one, even tho you're capable of typing. amazing

>>107778715
>>107778662

>>107777980
>does anyone mass employ people they don't need, you idiot? right now?
>need
governments worldwide do

>>107778733
you're just making my point tho, but you do not understand it

>>107778742
they literally don't. you conveniently left out the very next sentence
>without other incentives?
people they don't need but employ are not being employed out of the goodness of their hearts, but because of the repercussions of not doing it. there's other incentives for employing them. if they don't do it it's more expensive in other ways than doing it. that's how everything happens, and nothing outside of this happens, at mass scale. you just cannot comprehend it.

>>107778767
don't agree, no.

>>107778784
oh yes. for example hobos in certain countries are not killed because of the pleb uproar. and nothing is being done about them in other countries because it's free. doesn't cost anything not doing anything about it. if it was politically costly, they'd immediately take care of them. but if they can get away with it, they'll allow for even more, with zero cares about them, since it's free. why do anything? if you can do nothing and get away with it then that's how it rolls.
if instead people started politically taxing the people in power, for the amount of hobos, and the cost of taking care of the hobos is lower than the political cost, then those hobos will be promptly sorted out.
that's how everything happens at scale, you just lack the mental faculties to understand it, or you're not even 18 and you shouldn't be posting here anyway lmao

I think that instead of UBI, one possibility is that governments, or maybe even companies, will just funnel more money towards certain fields that are necessary, but unattractive and can't be solved by AI in the near future. Sam and Elon will eventually need someone to wipe their asses after all.

>>107778724
oh, we'll recreate the human brain, because humans are notoriously *checks notes* faster than calculators

>>107778828
the discussion is about the "eventually" bit. who fucking cares there's 10 more years until the culling? the "don't worry we're not there yet" is a dumb argument. it's not like it will take another 100 years for robots to get proficient at some things. mfs learned kungfu overnight with a software update lel
https://youtu.be/bPSLMX_V38E
it's not like humans, there's no inertia. once it's cracked they're all the same overnight, worldwide, instantly, at identical skill level. ALL of them

>>107778838
>because humans are notoriously *checks notes* faster than calculators
the absolute state of /g/. you do not even understand how dumb your comment is. like really. the amount of parallel calculations your brain does, in a single second, and the type, and the energetic cost, is so beyond anything you can fathom that it's not even funny.

>>107767184
first off, AI is a meme that has peaked and will be relegated to its niche when it fails to be what was promised (AGI)

second, UBI is a fictional idea that makes no sense in reality outside of a temporary means to ethically shrink or replace the population with the help of state enforced birth control. Pure UBI recipients serve no purpose and thus should be eliminated and pure UBI recipients that reproduce could expand the UBI population beyond the system's means and so must not be allowed. Additionally for UBI to come about you effectively need AGI which means you're in human replacement territory and people stop serving a purpose which leads to the same conclusion of eliminating people rather than providing UBI in perpetuity.

They keep smugly questioning how the companies are going to make money if no one has a job.

But I'm pretty sure that future wouldn't materialize in the first place, because if no one has a job... then that would affect people's voting habits, which would cause that future to not materialize.

In reality the unemployment rate will stay low and they're all delusional.
I bet if you asked people 2 years ago: "Will ChatGPT result in the unemployment rate raising in 2 years?" a lot of people back then would've said yes. Well they were all fucking wrong.
You only get job CHANGE, not job LOSS.

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>>107778869
let's see it in action then, race my calculator on this one

>>107778881
>Pure UBI recipients serve no purpose
when robots come to cull you they'll show you this comment of yours and will tell you to obey your own rule. because there's nothing you could possible offer that they cannot. lol
humanity's ignorance will be humanity's downfall. everyone thinks they're better, they're useful. yeah, that historically worked. until it doesn't.
>Bertrand Russell’s famous chicken allegory: a farmer feeds a chicken every morning, the chicken comes to expect this forever, and one day the farmer arrives to kill it instead of feeding it. It illustrates how naïve expectations based solely on past regularity can ignore hidden motives and incentives.

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>>107778869
srry this is higher fidelity

>>107778881
>second, UBI is a fictional idea
Well Australia has it. It comes with a catch that makes all commies really fucking mad the moment I tell them about it though, the catch is: you get paid for looking for a job. (JobSeeker Payment)
So it's rather hilarious, it self-balances, if the society has trouble finding jobs then people get free money, if the society has jobs available then no one gets free money.

So much for the lazy commie utopia! Hahaha.

>>107778966
I like this, but feels abusable

>>107767201
fpbp

>>107778931
I hope they manage to implement internet ID so I won't have to deal with idiots who aren't even supposed to post here. your mom probably bought you your GPU and you have no clue what that electricity bill is all about anyway
https://youtu.be/GVsUOuSjvcg

>>107778881
your framing is shit, it's not willingness of being useful rather impossibility of it, it won't be a choice, it will be a matter of fact. something you get subjected to, by circumstance

>>107778983
t. can't into rectified linear units with his brain
t. doesn't understand finding global minimums
t. never implemented a variational autoencoder
t. negrodamus

>>107778906
politics exist to determine pleb work and defend. that's it. once politics purpose goes away, pleb and politicians go away. it's a puppet show anon, everything is fake and gay

>>107778943
You seem to be suggesting this as a "gotcha" but I'm fully aware of what I said, and it's why UBI is nonsensical. Humans will adapt or die, me included. Everything gets optimized eventually and if humans serve no purpose they will be optimized out. The only concern is whether the right type of intelligence supercedes us. Something superior in the short term but inferior in the long term could eliminate us for nothing which we should avoid, but there's nothing wrong with being replaced by a superior being. The end goal of the universe is after all a single entity, it's what limited resources leads to

>>107779006
the hardware is wrong, it will always have higher latency than highly parallel analog hardware. you cannot go around it, in any way. the GPU hardware is plain wrong for the purpose
https://youtu.be/0UVa7cQo20U
let alone latency, you have a crazy energy cost for those calculations. you're so clueless lol

>>107779032
>Humans will adapt or die
adapting is not a choice you will have, you fail to understand this. I'm just trying to make you see you cannot fathom the scenario. you think there can be a way, with that perspective. there cannot be one. there's nothing propping it. few lost in some caves, but still there could be autonomous drones constantly looking for them, everywhere. adapt to what? human pet maybe

>>107779039
oh absolutely, highly parallel analog (doesn't exist, and in any capacity it does, isn't being leveraged) is so much faster and more energy efficient than highly parallel digital (people much more intelligent than negrodamus here have been working to perfect and sinking all of their liquid capital into.... including the chip manufacturers themselves).... fuck dude, if only *spins the wheel* analog or ternary made a comeback. You're so dark-skinned and you don't even know it, Jamal

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>>107778049
Isn't this how its always worked?

>>107779032
>Something superior in the short term but inferior in the long term
that could be said about us as well. there's also scenarios where we "become" the next form, as a sort of transition, rather than full stop + replacement. but yes, doubt humans can stop it. the point was for a peaceful transition, not a fucking global bloodbath

>>107779060
>analog process cheaper and faster than digital
if Turing and von Neumann died trying to crack it then it's hard to crack, yes. much insight anon
you're a clueless dumbfuck retard poser. thank you for proving me right and ultimately agreeing with me. again, the absolute state of /g/

>>107779099
let's see it then.... show us the unicorn, Tyrone
I gotta crash negrodamus, lot's of work at my big boy litho gig tomorrow

>>107779099
>a hw redesign every time you want to extend your neural network is a scalable idea
sure

>>107779112
crack your skull and look inside if you want to see one, you monster faggot. it exists, in lesser capacity in some's skulls by the looks of it. holy shit how fucking retarded are you? just fucking stop you're embarrassing yourself lmao
>bruh solve this
you must be braindead, there's no fucking way you're this fucking dumb I swear
a human brain is a proof of concept you fucking moron, it's not "the thing", even tho it's still way fucking enough for a lot of shit if you get control over manufacture and can do something similar, just synthetic

>>107779135 me
the whole issue with human brains is you barely get any control over what the fuck is going on. you shape the networks via slow input and it's limited by biological processes and shit

>>107767184
this is literally what will happen, read Marx chud

>>107779051
>adapt to what
Merging with machinery obviously. "AI" is a dead end but if humans want to stay relevant with whatever is the true successor then they either need to stay competitive with it or become it

>>107778973
in a future where there would be zero jobs I don't see how it could be abused

delirious bootlicker OP

they want cattle slaves they can boss around and have leverage over (work for pennies or be homeless/die). not uplift humanity. you don't get that high without being an egotistical narcissist sociopath

>>107769737
Good luck selling your products and services to a population that's almost 100% without any source of income. You've certainly never been an entrepreneur in your life to think that "it's just a matter of wanting to, bro." 90% of businesses go bankrupt after 1 year; those that remain survive with the bare minimum. Companies that achieve any considerable success are few. So good luck selling your product or service to a population that's almost 100% without income, retard

>few people own everything, produce everything and take everything from the majority of the population, with no form of redistribution of wealth
what would be the profit here exactly? There's no way the Elon Musks of the world need or could even perceive a whole planet of productivity for themselves, they already can do pretty much anything a human could ever want to do save killing, torturing, raping people freely in the open.
What's the point really.
And I don't see how at that point billions of people would continue to accept a system that offers them no benefits whatsoever.

>>107773631
If you have full automation, or almost full:
>the cost of producing many goods and services can fall towards “almost zero”
>24/7 factories, automated logistics, AI‑run farms, self‑maintaining infrastructure
In that world, there is no technological reason for most people to lack food, housing, healthcare, or information, machines can provide abundance with tiny labour input.

Everyone who's against AI is against human kind and should be pruned.

>>107773631
Yeah I feel like a ton of people just ignore this.
Where I work (at one of the two major ISPs in the country) they run the entire infrastructure with so few people it's shocking... and it works.

I genuinely can't imagine what will be left for the average person to do.
Everything worth doing will and is already done by major corporations that you can't compete with. I've seen local shops, small businesses of all kinds close here in the past decades.
Even "entrepreneur" tradies had to join big corporation as subcontractors or mostly just workers.
Online it's even more obvious.
Why would anyone trust some smaller mail provider if gmail is free? Most people don't even use the internet anymore they just use a set of websites now available in app form.
Everything has been gobbled up.

Then you could claim something community driven, local handmade or bespoke items are the way for skilled tradesmen or I honestly don't even know... Who will be their customers?
Who are you selling your stuff locally if nobody has money for "luxury" (or leisure).
My father had to sell most of his livestock because they regulated small farmers out of business basically.
During covid he was working a second job just to keep the animals "all proper"... all legal.

I'm just a helpdesk guy, generally a loser. Most people here will just laugh and say get filtered faggot. (Already seeing some guy just doing so for a cheap joke.)
Realistically, what can people even do? I could aspire to more, but at most I could be one of the field techs if my back can bear it or part of the NOC team.
Will they even be needed? The layoffs seem to have hit the senior staff more than the bottom rung so far.

If I'm lucky I wont get drafted to fight Russia in the next few years by the look of things, so I can comfortably starve to death or eat the bugs...
Could finish my degree, but for what? I'm not at the IQ level where I could work on anything serious anyways and becoming a code monkey is obsolete.

>>107775934
Isn't that exactly what AI companies and chip makers and legacy big tech are doing for months now?

>>107779373
"If" carries a big burden. You're assuming that those with the resources and means to act in order to bring all-around full automation would do it out of some philanthropic desire.
>>the cost of producing many goods and services can fall towards “almost zero”
What would be the means to get past zero? What if there are no means?
>>24/7 factories, automated logistics, AI‑run farms, self‑maintaining infrastructure
How would you self-maintain old houses?
>In that world, there is no technological reason for most people to lack food, housing, healthcare, or information
Why would people be educated? Even "if" that world were to be achieved why wouldn't they just go into the self-maintained pleasure cube and die there?
I'm more worried that we'll run out of rare minerals before we reach that future and we're left with constant recycling. Or of there are way more resources than anticipated then the only labor worth something would be mining so that we can use our abundant biochemical resource (humans) to not waste too much in manufacturing of mining equipment.

To me it sounds like a basic pitch with no substance. But before you comment on anything else, if you're human ofc, answer this:
>Why do you think they are "good"-hearted and would do good for the populace?

>>107779431
Amass assets. That's your only way out since it opposes the "own nothing" they want

>>107779605
Yeah, but what kind of assets? I'm genuinely grateful for any concrete advice.
As I pointed out my father basically is being forced out of our inherited land, animals forced to be culled or sold off to big corporations, guns forced to be sold as hunting license/memberships are getting too expensive and limiting.
Owning secondary rented out flats is not nearly as viable as it once was due to over-regulations as well.

Owning is literally becoming too expensive, not feasible in real time. Unfortunately I'm not American so we don't get as many freedoms that I assume you think would help with this.
If I were capable of amassing a critical mass of assets I wouldn't be worried here either. Sadly I'm not. Most people aren't unfortunately.

>>107778881
>second, UBI is a fictional idea that makes no sense in reality outside of a temporary means to ethically shrink or replace the population with the help of state enforced birth control
UBI as presented by modern social democrats where one part of the nation chills out and collects welfare checks forever and the other bust their ass off to pay for it, is not only retarded, but also extremely unjust. The Soviets correctly understood a scheme like that as social parasitism - one group of workers exploits the labor of others and does not contribute to the common good. What should happen instead is nationalization of the commanding heights of economy with profits from those industries redistributed to people as social dividend, obviously only those who are employed and who contribute to society. He who does not work, neither shall he eat after all.

>>107767375
Best take.
The fully automated gay space communism doesn't need useless eaters.

>>107767251
The government optimizes towards the sole metric that economics MBAs are looking at and that is GDP. The OpenAI -> Oracle -> Nvidia kleinbottle creates GDP every time they pump money into the other.

>>107771496
I find it stupid because these are the sorts of thoughts I had about things when I was 15. I thought I was so smart and was drawing all sorts of profound conclusions about the world. And that's before getting onto the central point of how fundamentally useless AI is in the real world.

>>107779368
>save killing, torturing, raping people freely in the open
lol he doesnt know

>>107777256
Supply and demand is one of those primordial truths that apply whether the state wants it to or not.

>>107780401
The fundamental issue with paying people to merely exist is they'll just multiply like rats until the system falls apart, at which point you've got a fuckhuge population starving to death.

God I love Chiha's big tits and thick thighs.

>>107767184
>policy and UBI come first
lmao you get war
ubi loses money, war makes money, so eat a nuke and be glad you got to live through humanity's peak years and died before the drop to stone age for everyone but the top brass

>>107781020
Sounds like we should be consuming loads of resources before we all die, then, so that those who come after have even less.

>>107770475
Because people will take anything. All it takes is for Bob and Joe to say "no way, I'm not going down into the sewer" it wouldn't even take a week before Alistair meets them in his generic white shirt and says

>Well how much you guys neeeed the!? :(

>Here, take this Watch guys, I'll amend the pay roll, promise

In before South Americans do it.
Fuck off

>>107767223
spbp
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>>107780638
You may have some growing up to do still.

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behold the future after we are out of jobs and people barely scrape along on government scraps. which shipping container will you live in?

>>107775934
I had problem understanding what's happening to the economy and its implication, but after an anon told me to use labor as the real currency and money is just an approximation of how much labor one can mobilize, things got much clearer