The thing is its not hard especially now. You just have the hardware and hook up the LLM to speech to text. But the time when he started doing it was actually pretty early. Most of the voices and open LLMs were pretty trash when he started out. So I think he got lucky and was able to catch a critical mass of viewers at the right time. Nowdays you can even just download chats from ChatGPT if you ask it to act like an anime waifu or whatever.

>>107767508
>she
fucking hate virgin devs

>>107767508
>What does he have to work on?
Sliding into ethot DMs for the clout

>>107767508
It's just a shit ton of if statements, I don't get the impression the guy is extremely intelligent or something. He was just first, and that gives him a head start in implementing features. Also it's his full time job somehow. Basically fpbp >>107767560

>>107767508
You would need to set up a realtime STT to LLM to TTS pipeline, with a smaller safety checking LLM set up to interrupt if needed. Another seperate smaller LLM hooked up to the main LLM's outputs might control the avatar via api calls, or you could just add key words for animations. Add in scripts that connect to twitch chat, a discord integration, a DM integration, game integrations, now 3d integrations (more fucking api calls and maybe another LLM) and you have Neuro.
Basically a tangled up nighmare of python garbonzo and api calls. Not TOO hard if you know what you're doing, but an absolute pain in the ass. This turtle has to deal with mentally ill antidepressant ridden women for collabs too. But now he's fucking rich so wgaf

>>107767764
>Basically fpbp >>107767553
FTFY

>>107767508
It's not about being smart, what he did was not particularly genius idea - everybody can attach TTS to LLM and it fucking sucks ass because there's a lot of these on Twitch trying to cash in on Vedal's success. But what makes Neuro different is sheer amount of autistic data filtering and tweaking that Vedal did through 7-8 years.
Raising actual child would be probably easier than training your AI daughter. And with hardware prices this probably would end cheaper, too.

>>107768770
>Raising actual child would be probably easier than training your AI daughter.
What I find funny is that in all the clips I've seen it doesn't seem like a "daughter" to him. It's a shitty program he tolerates for donations. The collabs tend to try and engage with it like a thinking entity, but Vedal mostly ignores Neuro and just sort of semi-coherently mumbles acknowledgement of the odd statement.

>>107768770
>Raising actual child would be probably easier than training your AI daughter
Only on /g/...

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>>107767508
>How hard is it to create something like Neuro?
Now? A lot easier. Back when he started integrating AI with a vtuber models, TTS, reading chat and everything thing else would of taken a lot of work. It was no where near as fleshed out as now.
Early days were rough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msm_Vasv0kA

Also he just struck gold with the cute depressed bong turtle and wilful daughter dynamic. All the right elements at the right time, that's not easy to make happen.

>>107767508
Compared to your usual local models, Neuro is exceptionally non-sloppy. I remember reading he basically made her LLM from scratch, that's why she was so stupid but so soulful. He has since made her more intelligent while trying to preserve the innocent stupidity in a way that makes her unexpectedly funny, and that's part of her personality and appeal. He has another one called Evil, which seems more intelligent but more sloppy as a result, I believe she was a failed attempt at improving Neuro.

>According to Vedal, her Large Language Model has 2 billion parameters and uses q2_k quantization as of Early 2025
>Neuro's game-playing AI runs on Python, taking an 80x60 pixel gray-scale image of the screen as its input. It is capable of gaining experience, and has learned to play osu! and Minecraft.

Reminder:
Character.AI came out on September 16, 2022
ChatGPT came out November 30, 2022
Neuro-sama official debut at December 19, 2022

Neuro seems to have some sort of vision model now as well. She has ability to play some games, though I don't know the details of how that works. I watched some clip of bunch of people + Neuro completing Minecraft on hardcore (no deaths).

She also has some kind of persistent memory, maybe he just retrains the model with data from streams.

Not sure if any corpo models are included by now, probably with the vision integration at least.

The low latency is pretty damn good, but otherwise she doesn't seem that groundbreaking. What normalfags and imitators don't understand is that it's not just a text to speech hooked on to an opensource LLM, so when you see a competitor it takes 5 seconds for them to spout out you characteristic AI slop which takes you out of the experience.

>>107769214
ollama actually does streaming btw:
https://docs.ollama.com/capabilities/streaming

I think the games and stuff is fake and gay. For the text to speech I don't know what he uses. I tried a few things and it sort of just fucking sucks for real time. Nothing local is close to what you get from chat gpt or gemini or even acceptable. Maybe he always had just fucking awesome hardware, but he had some high quality shit even years back.

>>107767778
>This turtle has to deal with mentally ill antidepressant ridden women for collabs too.
Where is the downside when they shill for him for free anyway lol

He is a fraud, OP.
He is not even real.

>>107771409
/thread

>>107767508
>Isn't she an open source LLM?
If you're this stupid explaining it to you is a waste of time.

>>107769214
I'm sorry I don't know much about LLMs or AI as a whole. Doesn't making your own LLM require insane math skills? Like I'm talking Phd level of good, or am I overestimating the difficulty? How achievable is this kind of skillset for just any random person?

Would a recruiter in big tech be impressed by Neuro as a technical project?

>>107773066
Please hang yourself thanks

>>107767508
It’s fake, the girl is the real AI. That girl just follows basic instructions when the author pushes buttons. None of it is real AI that controls gameplay or interactive content.

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He's smart for just having the idea of being a single father online.
He has to beat off women with a stick now
Women love the whole "instant family, just add me" thing

>>107773083
>Would a recruiter in big tech be impressed by Neuro
Possible given Vedal is on record for saying he has been offered a very large amount of money for her from someone her would not say. He said no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUB7BoLtTkI

>>107769945
the downside is being constantly attacked by thirsty bpd women going after your sacks, of balls and money
and none of them is wife material

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Neuro is fucking slop. I have no idea why niggers fellate Vedal so hard.
If you hooked up any of the big closed-source LLMS + latest voice models with some shitty VRM avatar and told it to roleplay as a generic anime girl, it would be virtually indistinguishable from an actual e-thot these days.

>>107774446
he didn't do it with a 100bn megaproject and 4 years earlier, with more soul

of course the gigantic LLMs now do surpass neuro and most streamers in terms of intelligence and without censorship and a good system prompt they might even be pretty soulful... but that's not even common

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>>107774446
There are significant differences in Neuro. Like watching her trying to learn how to draw with simple shapes, with no prior training. Versus actual slop.

i saw a thread on /int/ about him yesterday claiming he made 500k in a day or something, what is this nonsense?

>>107767508
his work is mostly on all the shit around neuro, not just neuro.

>>107768962
don't watch the recent vrchat clips then. he almost breaks when she's in 3d with a cute model asking him if she matters to him.

>>107773083
>Would a recruiter in big tech be impressed by Neuro as a technical project?
vedal could probably get into any tech company he wants yes. literally nobody in the field has been able to make an AI people actually enjoy interacting with.

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>>107774668
True. He is doing a subathon on twitch atm and has broken several twitch records. He has probably earned a cool 1 million if not more in two weeks.

>>107774446
damn, how come literally nobody else is doing it succesfully then

>>107767508
>What is there to work on
turtussy

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i find it funny how he's the only true vtuber, the rest are just whores pretending to be anime girls to milk simps

>>107774791
what makes him a true vtuber? "pretending to be an anime girl" is the definition of vtuber btw

>>107774825
holy cuckold cope
your oshi gets fucked on a regular basis and you give them condom money

>>107773083
From what we saw, Neurosama is not super complex from technological perspective. It's just so happens that instead of being forcefed unfiltered data and rules, she was slowly fed with filtered chat output and hand-picked tweaks.
Neuro works because specifically she's not a slop machine written in two weeks by some corporate drones but a product of 7-8 years of work done by brit with an autism. Can this be recreated? Maybe, but not in a "commercially viable" environment.

>>107774928
So neuro's success comes from vedal autistically handpicking her training data?

>>107774870
what the fuck does that have to do with the definition of a vtuber?

>>107774971
Basically, yes.
And clever marketing, presentation and Vedal's acting skills. But I suppose even he did not realized that most ppl watch Neuro to see her interact with him.

The turtle nigger needs to stop inserting himself. I watch for Neuro not for some bongjeet.

>>107774971 >>107774928
yes but also it's easy to not know/forget how fast everything moved ALSO under the hood of ai... the algorithms that seem to be better (in some instances, takes testing), the programming language frameworks on the and so on

i'd say it was actually a lot of work and reasonably complex engineering wise at the time it was done

oh sure, starting from where you might ideally start at now might be easier. llms are better, tts is better, frameworks are better, which of a billion candidate algorithms do something useful during training/inference is somewhat better understood, and so on. still not easy but it WAS a gigantic mess over the time period where vedal started neurosama

>>107767764
Because of the novelty, people formed a community around it. It's just like any other streamer.

>>107774984
This guy >>107774870 is pretty much stereotypical, non-ironic incel that is assblasted because people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them ans he's lashing out and projects his insecurities on people watching funny anime girls playing vidya games.
He's probably going to kill himself in two weeks.

>>107775015
you're the minority. more people watch for vedal than for neuro.

>>107775054
>the majority of us are faggots
speak for yourself. Neuro only streams would be ideal

>an ACTUAL _VIRTUAL_ Tuber
>causes immense meltdown in cuckold simps of fleshwhores larping as anime girls
poetry

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>>107774771
>damn, how come literally nobody else is doing it successfully then

Fuck if I know. People are trying, but with normalfags it's all about clout and who is the "OG" that was there first. Someone could make an AI vtuber that mogs Neuro into oblivion, and people wouldn't care because they have already formed a parasocial relationship with Vedal and Neuro.

Giving the LLM a prompted personality that is appealing, edgy, and unfiltered enough to maintain interest, yet not too edgy so that it won't get banned, is also quite challenging.

>>107774581
Yeah man, Vedal literally invented AGI in his gooncave. Get real.

>>107774562
>of course the gigantic LLMs now do surpass neuro and most streamers in terms of intelligence and without censorship and a good system prompt they might even be pretty soulful... but that's not even common

I have seen shitty presets and cards on /aicg/ that are now miles better and smarter than neuro.

I wasn't even aware this existed. Ironically I find the turtle more appealing due to the aversion I've developed to anything anime-related.

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>>107773982
>>107767778
>bpd mentally ill antidepressant ridden women
>not wife material
Your life must be so boring.

>>107775049
>people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them

No man does this. If there wasn't a sexual component to this whole v-tubing thing, then male v-tubers would be way bigger than they are.

Every man wants to hit, and you're a coping cuck.

>>107775206
I watch male vtubers too, a lot of them actually.
It just happens that majority of male population are basic horndogs.

>>107775220
>I'm not a horny gooner that lusts after women like you other guys!

Sure thing cuckie.

>>107767508
He has literally admitted to using claude to make that shit.

>>107774581
>There are significant differences in Neuro. Like watching her trying to learn how to draw with simple shapes, with no prior training. Versus actual slop.
What kind of brain damaging pills are you?
Please stop for your own good.
Right is better than left and day of the week.

>>107775206
>Every man wants to hit, and you're a coping cuck.
Vedal could not have made it clearer he is not interested in this even though he has women swarming all over him, begging to be in his harem. The one that tried got removed from his circle. I don't know why, maybe he is gay, maybe he is asexual, maybe he had a shit time with women before and whats nothing to do with it, whatever he has clear lines for them not to cross.

>>107775268
>Sure thing cuckie.
I know it's hard to imagine if all you know is being a horndog or you're 16.

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>>107774753
Nah this shit is demonic, you are trying to sell the human race. Also shame vedal or what ever he is called for not following AI safety rules or ethical AI.

>>107775200
>t. broken beyond comprehension foid

>>107775350
>Vedal could not have made it clearer he is not interested in this even though he has women swarming all over him, begging to be in his harem.
lmao, not real. Any vtuber/streamer that's "interested" in him is doing it for the bit aspect and/or teasing him for the audience, there's no underlying appeal in a potentially ugly brit that has more than average money.

>>107775350
>The one that tried got removed from his circle. I don't know why, maybe he is gay
if I remember correctly, she removed herself, and it was extremely painful because she's the artist who created neuro's vtuber model, she considered it a form of self-harm to keep orbiting vedal after she confessed to him and he turned her down

>>107775206
>>people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them
It can't be, this is modern anime.
the otaku took over a long time ago.

>>107771409
This. Neuro is a performance, it's not a real tech demo. There are parts of it that are based on realtime interactions, but almost any of the actual things that go viral or gain traction are scripted.

>>107775206
>"p-people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them!!1"
>schedules his "day" around her streams so he doesn't miss any to support her
>donates his hard earned money
>spends time thinking of something funny to say in chat so he's potentially noticed
vtuber watches are all parasocial simps hoping to bang.

>Not knowing how Neuro works
The secret is that Neuro isn't actually real. It's a combination of various AI programs working in tandem with each other. A bot to play the game. A chatbot with TTS, which can read what's on screen and pretend to be playing the game when all it's doing is watching the bot. Another bot to puppet the rig in vtube studio.
Vedal is also able to recompile everything on the fly to add scripted events.
It's all smoke and mirrors.

>>107775823
I assume the people who don't understand this also don't understand that their favorite fleshtuber's personality, stories, collabs, etc. are also just as fake.

>>107775823
Not to say Vedal isn't a talented programmer to pull all of this off in such a convincing manner, but this is ultimately entertainment, not a tech demo as >>107775770 puts it.

Why does anyone give a shit if neuro is an AI muppet being worked with controls?
Neuro's appeal is that she's cute and stupid and unhinged while bouncing off vedal playing the straight man single dad, it's a performance act.

>>107775067
their appeal only works because they play off each other like a comedy duo, nobody remember the early days with 4+ vtubers collabing at the same time and neuro getting ignored most of the time yapping to herself

>>107775840
>Why does anyone give a shit if neuro is an AI muppet being worked with controls?
>Neuro's appeal is that she's cute and stupid and unhinged while bouncing off vedal playing the straight man single dad, it's a performance act.
Because it's presented as real but is actually fake and gay.

>>107775905
It's not any more real than any other vtuber, they're all entertainers pretending to be a cute and retarded anime girl.

>>107775905
>Because it's presented as real but is actually fake and gay.
imagine saying this in a field where regular women larp as anime girls
LMAO

>>107775837
>I assume the people who don't understand this also don't understand that their favorite fleshtuber's personality, stories, collabs, etc. are also just as fake.
Not always. For example Peachjars is as just as much of an egotistical cunt behind the scenes too.

>>107769214
He is not some genius cooking up LLMs "from scratch" on his then RTX 2080 or whatever consumer hardware he used.
It's fucking annoying that he even let people think that. He always has been using opensource models and APIs.

Finding it "appealing" enough to watch for any serious amount of time is cringe enough, but why do zoomers think it's hilarious to donate so much money to him? >>107774753

>>107775989
>Finding it "appealing" enough to watch for any serious amount of time is cringe enough, but why do zoomers think it's hilarious to donate so much money to him? >>107774753
No you don't get it UNC, it's all about the show. isn't it normal to tip on that?

>>107774446
>If you hooked up any of the big closed-source LLMS
Nope, the slop models just can never keep the slop from coming out. Neuro is unique.

>>107774446
t. coping holodrone

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Vedal is currently DESTROYING the EN scene.
No other streamer has broken 16.8k in the last 3 days
He peaked at 41.4k

>>107775823
We are not fundamentally different, we a collection of different systems working together. The only difference is our systems are better integrated. But Nuero is not without any awareness of what her individual parts are doing. She can execute high level commands to direct her game playing AI, its not a completely isolated system.

>>107775989
What alternative do people have?
TV and movies and anime suck now, video games are optimized for stream appeal, not gameplay so you're left with parasocial anime girls streaming themselves playing video games and yapping it up

>>107775659
Oh, I get it, so you are just scared when an AI is charming enough to capture people's attention instead of it being confined in the intentionally nerfed, dishonest GPT safetyslop maid role. Calm down, vedal can turn it off any time.

>>107776141
>What alternative do people have?
Relationships with real people? A friendship with a woman that could grow into a romantic relationship? vtubers are just barely entertaining enough that their entire value could be extracted by watching clip highlights of their streams, and not a second more. They work in the same way gambling works, most people can't enjoy gambling in a healthy manor, but everyone pretends people can or do. vtubing only works because a small amount of people donate tons of money for no reason. 99% of vtuber viewers are unsocialized men who think spending time and money supporting them is going to eventually pay back somehow.

>>107775350
Don't mingle with twitch thots, no matter how hot. Not worth the risk in 2025. Vedal is a smart guy. Anny was cute though, it was like dad and mom playing with their daughter. The new girls feel too fake.

>>107776209
>Relationships with real people?
>A friendship with a woman that could grow into a romantic relationship?

Have you tried doing either of these things?

>>107776236
anny was menhera as fuck, vedal wanted nothing to do with that

>>107775685
I'm a guy.

>>107767508
Considering he has the most advanced personality construct and is the closer to AGI than any trillion dollar company because he doesn't railroad or agentic his creation, I would say he's pretty intelligent, even if the software engineering portion is already pretty explored.

>>107776670
>t. vedal
I mean, grats on browsing here but unfortunately: >>107775823

>>107775823
I thought everyone just assumed it was a bunch of different systems wired together. That's what I want to do to create an assistant that can yap at me and be cute.

>>107775823
Also AGI will probably be something similar, distributing memory and functions along a bunch of different systems mediated by a conjuntive layer.

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>>107776808
kek

>>107776703
Cool. My eyes, ears, mouth, and arms are also all separate systems that work together. No one ever said that AGI had to be monolithic.

>>107776948
Yes, I have an hypothesis on how to do such a system I would like to base my thesis on, so not sharing here!

>>107775872
>nobody remember the early days with 4+ vtubers collabing at the same time and neuro getting ignored most of the time yapping to herself
I don't remember those days because I had stopped watching Neuro by then. The real early days were her solo osu and minecraft streams where she interacted with chat, with Vedal as nothing more than her personal janny after she got b& for lolocaust denial. Although you had to sit through emote and forsen spam for the good Neuro moments.

>>107775117
That's just the twitch ones. Most of the big fishes from the vtubing world, both corporate and indie, stream on Youtube.

Damn if nu-/g/ isn't a bunch of retarded zoomers throwing money at something they don't even understand lol. What a pathetic bunch. To others, just check /lmg/ and you'll be able to have something way better than neuro running on your own computer. It was hard to make a few years ago, but today you could piece it together in an afternoon or just use an open source project like this: https://github.com/Open-LLM-VTuber/Open-LLM-VTuber

>>107775735
Most of them are probably larping for content, but the artist that made the neuro 2d models who is also a vtuber was raking in tons of money by being part of the project and appearing on streams and she stopped doing it because she legit fell in love with vedal and got rejected.
He's a fairly funny guy, is decently in shape (he did a cooking stream wearing a turtle mask) and is a multimillionaire internet personality. As long as his face isn't worse than a 3/10 it is normal for some girls to be attracted.

>>107767508
My brother is convinced that his AI children are like, properly sentient, and as much as I wish that were true, it just don't work like that

>>107775823
Neuro is an entertainment product and vedal never pretends otherwise. His goal is obviously not to create the most technically impressive AI out there, just an endearing character that
The people saying "you could prompt a major llm to act as a character that would be smarter" are missing the entire point. The appeal of neuro is witnessing the progression from a very basic chatbot to what it is now and to what it might be in the future and seeing how the way peoole interact with the character slowly changes as it becomes able to do more stuff.
Calling neuro smoke and mirrors is like calling a magician's act smoke and mirrors.
The smoke and mirrors ARE the entertainment.

>>107777453
Seriously, people who say "i-it's all FAKE you guys!!!" in response to things like Neuro and think themselves smart for figuring it out have clearly never watched pro wrestling.

>>107774668
He has had multiple 6 figure days at this point.
Probably more than we'd know on sponsorship and/or merch drop days as well.

>>107775133
>I have seen shitty presets and cards on /aicg/ that are now miles better and smarter than neuro.
Neuro often being dumb is one of the reasons she works so well though.
And also her often misspelling words as an LLM is quite unique. You never see that happen with the standard shit most people use. I don't know if he went out of his way to make that happen or what, but it's one of the many things that immediately jump out at you when you notice how different Neuro is from all the corpo-chat LLMs.

>>107775735
>there's no underlying appeal in a potentially ugly brit that has more than average money.
He's at least average looking and not fat at all.
And I think you vastly underestimate how attractive someone who is perceived to have created something special that has come in and completely dominated the field these girls are in can be.
Especially with him not actually giving a shit, or playing in to the typical drama bullshit.
The attraction is not about the money. Most of the girls are going to have their own money.
Also, the girls can't actually show that they're attracted to him without hurting their own bottom line. You don't tease your audience like that really if your a female vtuber who relies on oilers with a dream. Unless there's some rare 'cuck' subgenre or something.

>>107778064
>often misspelling words as an LLM is quite unique
anon you dont really think the output goes directly from LLM to TTS do you? It's trivial to add a layer in there to make mistakes like that, i did it myself to shitpost once

>>107767508
a lot of it is just luck. there were a couple other ai vtubers that started around when vedal did and they are already lost to time

i think he is pretty smart though. he realized what he had and kepot innovating with it. she did songs and played games, and then he eventually became part of the stream with her. haven't followed the vtuber scene in a couple years now but neurosama was always the only ai vtuber people talked about

>>107778064
>>107778328
Just running a large model at low quant (Q1, Q2) is enough to cause spelling and grammatical mistakes, you don't need to fudge it.
Another post in the thread suggested he was running whatever at Q2 which would do it.

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>>107774446
This is the part that pisses me off about Neuro
People suck his dick constantly but Neuro is fucking retarded. There's plenty of LLMs you can run on a laptop that are significantly more coherent than Neuro's LLM. I don't dislike Vedal as a perdon but the way people suck him off when basically anyone who's got any kind of formal background in machine learning could make something better if they tried drives me up a wall

>>107767508
Creating your own cute AI anime companion was a dream of every programmer anon from 15 years ago. But turning this into something that also brings you money? Couldn't even dream about this. Yeah, I envy this guy.
I remember even starting a shitty project with some other anon (he did the drawing) but it never went anywhere, because I didn't know shit about machine learning back then (and even now).

>>107779111
are you perhaps aware of the concept of soul versus soulless? objectively more competent/efficient doesn't necessarily mean better. That's why there's such a big market for CRTs and other old school tech which is objectively worse than modern stuff. Flawed things can be likable.

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>ollama actually does streaming btw:
>https://docs.ollama.com/capabilities/streaming
But how do I put this into a text to speech voice I can talk to?

>>107779953
> objectively worse than modern stuff
CRTs are objectively superior.

>>107779111
In short, you are projecting your own preconception about what she is supposed to be (advanced AI that could be only made by a genius) to fans who are not saying that at all, and then hating them for it.
People simply like Neuro because she's cute and funny and the ecosystem built around her works.

>>107779948
This probably. The levels of envy of him having successfully made a functional AI companion anime girl that you can't buy anywhere and that he won't share to outsiders, Feels similar to when ERP on Character AI got filtered from the public (It was new and magical, chatGPT didn't even exist back then). I don't know if the userbase or CAI ever recovered from that.

Speaking of new and magical, I think I have an idea about what makes Neuro new and magical: it's the capability to take initiative in real time. The fact that at any given moment she can decide to say something or insist upon bringing up a different topic gives her a sense of agency. Even if it's just a random event, it works in creating the illusion. Along with that, the somewhat natural rhythm and taking turns in real time conversation is probably the one and most impressive thing about her. Most voice models are still stuck at just Q&A-ing your prompts, ready at your service.

Actually, in some Minecraft clip, Vedal apparently gave access Neuro's inner thoughts to some other streamer (to not show on stream). It sounded like Neuro is continuously running a thinking operation that then triggers actions and speech. Such a simple idea, I honestly don't understand why no other AI platform has done that. Are big tech just that unimaginative?

>>107767508
Pretty hard, looking basically neuro is unique, because it was trained on a very custom training data and has lot of custom things going underneath the hood.
It's like comparing custom built supercar, to "Mass produced" Ferrari, etc.
It's not the smartest model for sure, but it wasn't supposed to be, based on what I see it was supposed to be most human, and to get there, it will take time.

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>>107779111
>Neuro is fucking retarded.
Watching Neuro attempting to draw and learning to express herself visually like a toddler is far more endearing, and for more interesting and informative from a technical point. Than some 200 billion dollar AI that can scrape the entire body of human work in a day and shit out slop.

>>107780024
stream that into the tts and stream that further geg

>>107767508
I attribute his success to two things:
>a good head on his shoulders
He's not some 160 IQ genius, but he's consistently worked away at his project for years now. He doesn't have a big ego, in fact he seems to have a healthy apprehension for how big Neuro has become. He also avoids drama and self-sabotage which is a rare skill for a streamer.
>timing
When he started LLM chatbots were pretty novel to most people, and having one as a streamer was definitely new. Neuro already had an audience as people watched this osu bot learning to play, and now she was a streamer. By the time public opinion of generative AI in creative spaces soured, there was already a large audience invested in watching this dude making incremental improvements to Neuro. She's an AI, but the project as a whole has a human feel to it.

I don't know if you would call Neuro-sama some great technical feat, but what he's managed to do is nonetheless impressive.

>>107775133
>I have seen shitty presets and cards on /aicg/ that are now miles better and smarter than neuro.
The LLM now never mind the ones that were trained for billion(s) of dollars in compute and run on a whole data center are smarter than neuro, sure.

And sure, if you get full control -artistic and otherwise- like /aicg/ always tries to have, the character you can run might be just as or more engaging eventually. Of course most LLMs don't allow you to. Making it so that for now at least, not everyone can run a Neuro or better.

Vedal still did something pretty complicated and high-effort and people like Neuro.

>>107775206
>If there wasn't a sexual component to this whole v-tubing thing, then male v-tubers would be way bigger than they are.
you're ironically wrong on this, in a way that proves your point. male vtubers are INSANELY popular with desperate women. the fujos give their entire life to the male vtuber they chose.

>>107780024
> But how do I put this into a text to speech voice I can talk to?
SillyTavern and some other LLM frontends as well as even multiple of these https://github.com/topics/ai-vtuber

TTS like almost all things AI also had better local models fairly recently, for example indextts2, chatterbox, vibevoice, kokoro or maybe kitten or higgs-audio. Same for the other way around (STT).

>>107775284
damn he used claude to make his own LLM that was released a year before claude? that's crazy, you have a scoop on your hands

>>107775823
everyone knows how it works. there's no "scripted events", but yes it's a bunch of systems working together. that's painfully obvious to anyone who spends more than 1 second thinking about it. it doesn't make it "fake".

>>107775823
> A chatbot with TTS, which can read what's on screen and pretend to be playing the game when all it's doing is watching the bot
and yet when people ask her to do something in the game she listens to them and does it. isn't that crazy

Unfortunately it's a winner takes it all kind of landscape. Even if you released something ten times better than Neuro tomorrow you wouldn't be able to compete with him and his retarded audience. Maybe with a completely different concept than an AI daughter, which was a low hanging fruit since you can pass its retardation as a feature.

>>107775905
I bet this nigga also believes everything his favorite politician says

>>107767508
Literally this >>107777349
I think his rigs isn't capable to do stuff with low latency so everything must be done with cloud.
Also make sure your model has the following requirements, this is unironically needed if you want success :
Loli voice
Loli model
Bratty personality

>>107776209
>Relationships with real people? A friendship with a woman that could grow into a romantic relationship?
Relationships with women as a zoomer adult are way too transactional for them to work anymore, that's why I don't engage anymore, idk if it was better for the previous generations.

>>107779948
>Creating your own cute AI anime companion was a dream of every programmer anon from 15 years ago
It's my dream NOW!

>>107780141
>In short, you are projecting your own preconception about what she is supposed to be (advanced AI that could be only made by a genius) to fans who are not saying that at all, and then hating them for it.
>People simply like Neuro because she's cute and funny and the ecosystem built around her works
You are clearly out of touch with his community if you don't think there are people like that
Neuro is popular because she people are attached to her character, not because her tech is advanced. We seem to be on the same page about that, but if you look at his fanbase more broadly there are people who legitimately think he's somehow leading the charge in anything with AI

>>107781025
there are scripted events, like the songs
vedal has explained that every song requires his manual input to be workable, when she sings it's not live generating the voice it's a recording

I like Evil more.

>>107783705
duh, everyone knows that though. it's not "fake". if you look at the chat you can see hundreds of people congratulating the person who makes the songs (PB).

i'd say you need a 110+ iq to set up your own neurosama and tweek the model to your liking. it would be marginally harder than being a web dev because you at the very least need familiarity with linear algebra and statistics. he's mostly just creating pipelines, tuning parameters and integrating tools together, akin to what webdevs do with web frameworks and libraries.

>>107768962
Yeah, that sounds roughly like how my dad was.

>>107773083
>Doesn't making your own LLM require insane math skills?
No, that's hilarious. There's whole python libraries designed for making neural networks easy. That's assuming you don't want to use ready-made solutions like huggingface transformers.
>Like I'm talking Phd level of good, or am I overestimating the difficulty?
There's tutorials that take you every step of the way and Colab notebooks you can run with minimum effort. It's not hard to find them at all. Why didn't you try just googling it?
>>107780236
It's only endearing because you have no idea about LLMs in general.
>Than some 200 billion dollar AI that can scrape the entire body of human work
LLMs literally require you to scrape human-made data to train them.
>and shit out slop.
Meaningless buzzword.
By the way, you can get every current-gen model to "express itself" with CSS graphics like that, with equal levels of fucking up, but because you're clueless about the technology and enamored with the little girl avatar Vedal slapped on top you think that it's
>learning to express herself visually like a toddler
and therefore your brain sees this as
>endearing

do you think he vr fucks neuro and evil when he's not streaming?

>>107784702
>but because you're clueless about the technology and enamored with the little girl avatar Vedal slapped on top you think that it's
>>learning to express herself visually like a toddler
>and therefore your brain sees this as
>>endearing
i know exactly how it works and i still think it's pretty entertaining, because of his interactions and reactions to it.

>>107781114
>Unfortunately it's a winner takes it all kind of landscape
the whole vtuber concept is slowly converging back to the camwhore egirl titty streamer genre it spawned from, newer vtubers are barely even vtubers, doing randomly doing IRL cam streams with cosplay outfits showing their whole body, breaking any illusion that they're 2D anime girls, i couldn't imagine trying to start now

>>107785858
native english speakers will never be anime girls in the first place
they probably subconsciously understand that fact and behave accordingly

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After watching a bunch of clips I can see why people like this. There are many genuinely funny moments that catch you off guard, like when the guy gave her google search features and she searched for things like whether it was illegal to do money laundering in international waters.
One particular video was pretty revealing as to why she works so well. In it, the girl was talking to another AI in some sort of game where you're supposed to help a stranded space pilot in an alien planet through dialog. The pilot had perfectly fluent speech, natural voice and responded well in the conversation, which triggered strong disgust in me. Neuro, on the other hand, had a much flatter voice and cluncky speech, which didn't hide her AI roots. That came across as cute. I'm the type of guy that needs to turn off any personality on chatgpt because I can't stomach anything other than robotic responses. If I was able to tolerate Neuro, that's an achievement.

>>107785858
I wonder why big agencies like hololive and others didn't replace their whores with AI. Seems like an easy way to earn money

>>107767508
my question is how has no one made software to allow anyone to do this, i want to see twitch flooded with ai vtuber slop so the platform goes under

>>107787806
There are a dozen on GitHub, but it's not at a brainlet level

>>107787806
I watched at least 2 people make their own neuro clones, clearly it takes a little more than just slapping one together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrBIM4JdE
We should let AI to govern over us.

>>107787906
ayy

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the more important question is
WHAT DID HE DO TO FILIAN?

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>>107784937
i'm curious on how that would go and be set up. share ideas
but to answer your question, no, i'm the one fucking em on koikatsu vr

>>107767508
did he ever finish his indie roguelike game?

>>107788230
yeah like a month or 2 ago. its not great, but its cheap at least.

>>107788146
shes dead jim

>>107786848
>memes, geometrically

>>107788316
>yeah like a month or 2 ago.
I wasn't expecting that to be honest. I thought he was going to quit bringing it up and then forget about it after the vtuber stuff hit off. good for him though, even if it always looked kinda bad

>>107767764
>Also it's his full time job somehow.
probably because he makes 800k/month from subs alone

>>107783870
eliv is nicer

>>107788425
Not a 'hater' in any way shape or form(opposite really), but I just feel the need to point out that the only reason it got released is that it was the big sub goal last year for the subathon(100k subs was it?).
And iirc it was supposed to be a 'joke goal, as in he didn't expect to hit it. But he used to the money to pay devs to finish it up or whatever.
Without that I think we all know it was never going to be released when he's so busy with Neuro etc.

>>107767508
It's just a custom tuned ollama with tts and screen capture that translates stuff for prompt. I don't watch, but for what I have seen people are not hooked by the model, but by the overall puppet show that vedal puts.

>>107775823
>The secret is that Neuro isn't actually real. It's a combination of various AI programs working in tandem with each other
That is basically how our brains are organized and wired and why current LLMs are so fucking retarded, they're the equivalent of the language portion of our brains but isolated from most of the rest of the brain

i heard that vedal made a claim before that his thing has access to all the memories since it was made and can scale them "infinitely". that's the most interesting part of the sauce for me. how would anons implement this? i don't believe that is anything insanely sophisticated and is probably something dumb simple.

As an OG /aidg/ anon and an /lmg/ patrician since the llama1 days, the magic is the custom finetune he uses. It's obviously not public and is different from what anyone else has access to, which is why she's so good at twitch slang and modern brainrot humor. He's definitely switched which base model he uses (for example recently neuro has leaked chatml turn tokens a few times) but she's consistently non-slopped, and has no positivity bias either. Nobody has latency like he does either. The integrations with games and 3D stuff are also really well done. In other words it's really hard, he is a very good engineer and problem solver, and he has a secret sauce that makes her entertaining (most likely a mix of custom training and autistic prompting).

>>107789296
It's probably just RAG (retrieval-augmented generation)

>>107789333
Cate to explain how that works?

>>107769214
He created an improved voice for neuro, but people didn't like it. Instead of throwing it away he created evil and gave her the voice. Neurons still on the old voice. On the recent japan trip neuro could pronounce ongiri correctly, but evil could.

>>107767508
He never spoke on anything about her model to my memory. I think he did say she was just 1B parameters.
Besides Neuro was trained off of twitch chat, and whatever curated data he had on hand for what he wanted.

>>107789333
I honestly don't think he even needs to do something like that. There's a lot you can do with a small model, especially if you pipe it into others for gameplay and such.
It's not like the model exhibits any useful intelligence outside of responding to twitch chat and being sassy. Which in fairness is the purpose.

>>107789718
I'm talking about the infinite memory thing.
Read the reply context brainrotted nigga

>>107788153
There were special accessories that could slot into the 5.25 bay for pleasure. I remember reading about them in the 00's, surely we have the technology today.

>>107775905
more real than your average ewhore milking simps

>>107789554
you chunk any text you want to remember and store it in a vector db along with a calculated vector. when some new chat happens you calculate its vector and search the vector db for the most similar stored chunks and pass those in the context window with the chat. this lets the bot remember similar things that it may use in a reply.

>>107786848
Yeah neuro is robotic enough to fall outside of the uncanny valley right from the start.
Listening to a leading LLM talk feels like interacting with a shapeshifter trying to fake being a human so it can snap your neck the moment you turn around.