The thing is its not hard especially now. You just have the hardware and hook up the LLM to speech to text. But the time when he started doing it was actually pretty early. Most of the voices and open LLMs were pretty trash when he started out. So I think he got lucky and was able to catch a critical mass of viewers at the right time. Nowdays you can even just download chats from ChatGPT if you ask it to act like an anime waifu or whatever.

>>107767508
>she
fucking hate virgin devs

>>107767508
>What does he have to work on?
Sliding into ethot DMs for the clout

>>107767508
It's just a shit ton of if statements, I don't get the impression the guy is extremely intelligent or something. He was just first, and that gives him a head start in implementing features. Also it's his full time job somehow. Basically fpbp >>107767560

>>107767508
You would need to set up a realtime STT to LLM to TTS pipeline, with a smaller safety checking LLM set up to interrupt if needed. Another seperate smaller LLM hooked up to the main LLM's outputs might control the avatar via api calls, or you could just add key words for animations. Add in scripts that connect to twitch chat, a discord integration, a DM integration, game integrations, now 3d integrations (more fucking api calls and maybe another LLM) and you have Neuro.
Basically a tangled up nighmare of python garbonzo and api calls. Not TOO hard if you know what you're doing, but an absolute pain in the ass. This turtle has to deal with mentally ill antidepressant ridden women for collabs too. But now he's fucking rich so wgaf

>>107767764
>Basically fpbp >>107767553
FTFY

>>107767508
It's not about being smart, what he did was not particularly genius idea - everybody can attach TTS to LLM and it fucking sucks ass because there's a lot of these on Twitch trying to cash in on Vedal's success. But what makes Neuro different is sheer amount of autistic data filtering and tweaking that Vedal did through 7-8 years.
Raising actual child would be probably easier than training your AI daughter. And with hardware prices this probably would end cheaper, too.

>>107768770
>Raising actual child would be probably easier than training your AI daughter.
What I find funny is that in all the clips I've seen it doesn't seem like a "daughter" to him. It's a shitty program he tolerates for donations. The collabs tend to try and engage with it like a thinking entity, but Vedal mostly ignores Neuro and just sort of semi-coherently mumbles acknowledgement of the odd statement.

>>107768770
>Raising actual child would be probably easier than training your AI daughter
Only on /g/...

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>>107767508
>How hard is it to create something like Neuro?
Now? A lot easier. Back when he started integrating AI with a vtuber models, TTS, reading chat and everything thing else would of taken a lot of work. It was no where near as fleshed out as now.
Early days were rough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msm_Vasv0kA

Also he just struck gold with the cute depressed bong turtle and wilful daughter dynamic. All the right elements at the right time, that's not easy to make happen.

>>107767508
Compared to your usual local models, Neuro is exceptionally non-sloppy. I remember reading he basically made her LLM from scratch, that's why she was so stupid but so soulful. He has since made her more intelligent while trying to preserve the innocent stupidity in a way that makes her unexpectedly funny, and that's part of her personality and appeal. He has another one called Evil, which seems more intelligent but more sloppy as a result, I believe she was a failed attempt at improving Neuro.

>According to Vedal, her Large Language Model has 2 billion parameters and uses q2_k quantization as of Early 2025
>Neuro's game-playing AI runs on Python, taking an 80x60 pixel gray-scale image of the screen as its input. It is capable of gaining experience, and has learned to play osu! and Minecraft.

Reminder:
Character.AI came out on September 16, 2022
ChatGPT came out November 30, 2022
Neuro-sama official debut at December 19, 2022

Neuro seems to have some sort of vision model now as well. She has ability to play some games, though I don't know the details of how that works. I watched some clip of bunch of people + Neuro completing Minecraft on hardcore (no deaths).

She also has some kind of persistent memory, maybe he just retrains the model with data from streams.

Not sure if any corpo models are included by now, probably with the vision integration at least.

The low latency is pretty damn good, but otherwise she doesn't seem that groundbreaking. What normalfags and imitators don't understand is that it's not just a text to speech hooked on to an opensource LLM, so when you see a competitor it takes 5 seconds for them to spout out you characteristic AI slop which takes you out of the experience.

>>107769214
ollama actually does streaming btw:
https://docs.ollama.com/capabilities/streaming

I think the games and stuff is fake and gay. For the text to speech I don't know what he uses. I tried a few things and it sort of just fucking sucks for real time. Nothing local is close to what you get from chat gpt or gemini or even acceptable. Maybe he always had just fucking awesome hardware, but he had some high quality shit even years back.

>>107767778
>This turtle has to deal with mentally ill antidepressant ridden women for collabs too.
Where is the downside when they shill for him for free anyway lol

He is a fraud, OP.
He is not even real.

>>107771409
/thread

>>107767508
>Isn't she an open source LLM?
If you're this stupid explaining it to you is a waste of time.

>>107769214
I'm sorry I don't know much about LLMs or AI as a whole. Doesn't making your own LLM require insane math skills? Like I'm talking Phd level of good, or am I overestimating the difficulty? How achievable is this kind of skillset for just any random person?

Would a recruiter in big tech be impressed by Neuro as a technical project?

>>107773066
Please hang yourself thanks

>>107767508
It’s fake, the girl is the real AI. That girl just follows basic instructions when the author pushes buttons. None of it is real AI that controls gameplay or interactive content.

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He's smart for just having the idea of being a single father online.
He has to beat off women with a stick now
Women love the whole "instant family, just add me" thing

>>107773083
>Would a recruiter in big tech be impressed by Neuro
Possible given Vedal is on record for saying he has been offered a very large amount of money for her from someone her would not say. He said no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUB7BoLtTkI

>>107769945
the downside is being constantly attacked by thirsty bpd women going after your sacks, of balls and money
and none of them is wife material

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Neuro is fucking slop. I have no idea why niggers fellate Vedal so hard.
If you hooked up any of the big closed-source LLMS + latest voice models with some shitty VRM avatar and told it to roleplay as a generic anime girl, it would be virtually indistinguishable from an actual e-thot these days.

>>107774446
he didn't do it with a 100bn megaproject and 4 years earlier, with more soul

of course the gigantic LLMs now do surpass neuro and most streamers in terms of intelligence and without censorship and a good system prompt they might even be pretty soulful... but that's not even common

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>>107774446
There are significant differences in Neuro. Like watching her trying to learn how to draw with simple shapes, with no prior training. Versus actual slop.

i saw a thread on /int/ about him yesterday claiming he made 500k in a day or something, what is this nonsense?

>>107767508
his work is mostly on all the shit around neuro, not just neuro.

>>107768962
don't watch the recent vrchat clips then. he almost breaks when she's in 3d with a cute model asking him if she matters to him.

>>107773083
>Would a recruiter in big tech be impressed by Neuro as a technical project?
vedal could probably get into any tech company he wants yes. literally nobody in the field has been able to make an AI people actually enjoy interacting with.

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>>107774668
True. He is doing a subathon on twitch atm and has broken several twitch records. He has probably earned a cool 1 million if not more in two weeks.

>>107774446
damn, how come literally nobody else is doing it succesfully then

>>107767508
>What is there to work on
turtussy

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i find it funny how he's the only true vtuber, the rest are just whores pretending to be anime girls to milk simps

>>107774791
what makes him a true vtuber? "pretending to be an anime girl" is the definition of vtuber btw

>>107774825
holy cuckold cope
your oshi gets fucked on a regular basis and you give them condom money

>>107773083
From what we saw, Neurosama is not super complex from technological perspective. It's just so happens that instead of being forcefed unfiltered data and rules, she was slowly fed with filtered chat output and hand-picked tweaks.
Neuro works because specifically she's not a slop machine written in two weeks by some corporate drones but a product of 7-8 years of work done by brit with an autism. Can this be recreated? Maybe, but not in a "commercially viable" environment.

>>107774928
So neuro's success comes from vedal autistically handpicking her training data?

>>107774870
what the fuck does that have to do with the definition of a vtuber?

>>107774971
Basically, yes.
And clever marketing, presentation and Vedal's acting skills. But I suppose even he did not realized that most ppl watch Neuro to see her interact with him.

The turtle nigger needs to stop inserting himself. I watch for Neuro not for some bongjeet.

>>107774971 >>107774928
yes but also it's easy to not know/forget how fast everything moved ALSO under the hood of ai... the algorithms that seem to be better (in some instances, takes testing), the programming language frameworks on the and so on

i'd say it was actually a lot of work and reasonably complex engineering wise at the time it was done

oh sure, starting from where you might ideally start at now might be easier. llms are better, tts is better, frameworks are better, which of a billion candidate algorithms do something useful during training/inference is somewhat better understood, and so on. still not easy but it WAS a gigantic mess over the time period where vedal started neurosama

>>107767764
Because of the novelty, people formed a community around it. It's just like any other streamer.

>>107774984
This guy >>107774870 is pretty much stereotypical, non-ironic incel that is assblasted because people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them ans he's lashing out and projects his insecurities on people watching funny anime girls playing vidya games.
He's probably going to kill himself in two weeks.

>>107775015
you're the minority. more people watch for vedal than for neuro.

>>107775054
>the majority of us are faggots
speak for yourself. Neuro only streams would be ideal

>an ACTUAL _VIRTUAL_ Tuber
>causes immense meltdown in cuckold simps of fleshwhores larping as anime girls
poetry

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>>107774771
>damn, how come literally nobody else is doing it successfully then

Fuck if I know. People are trying, but with normalfags it's all about clout and who is the "OG" that was there first. Someone could make an AI vtuber that mogs Neuro into oblivion, and people wouldn't care because they have already formed a parasocial relationship with Vedal and Neuro.

Giving the LLM a prompted personality that is appealing, edgy, and unfiltered enough to maintain interest, yet not too edgy so that it won't get banned, is also quite challenging.

>>107774581
Yeah man, Vedal literally invented AGI in his gooncave. Get real.

>>107774562
>of course the gigantic LLMs now do surpass neuro and most streamers in terms of intelligence and without censorship and a good system prompt they might even be pretty soulful... but that's not even common

I have seen shitty presets and cards on /aicg/ that are now miles better and smarter than neuro.

I wasn't even aware this existed. Ironically I find the turtle more appealing due to the aversion I've developed to anything anime-related.

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>>107773982
>>107767778
>bpd mentally ill antidepressant ridden women
>not wife material
Your life must be so boring.

>>107775049
>people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them

No man does this. If there wasn't a sexual component to this whole v-tubing thing, then male v-tubers would be way bigger than they are.

Every man wants to hit, and you're a coping cuck.

>>107775206
I watch male vtubers too, a lot of them actually.
It just happens that majority of male population are basic horndogs.

>>107775220
>I'm not a horny gooner that lusts after women like you other guys!

Sure thing cuckie.

>>107767508
He has literally admitted to using claude to make that shit.

>>107774581
>There are significant differences in Neuro. Like watching her trying to learn how to draw with simple shapes, with no prior training. Versus actual slop.
What kind of brain damaging pills are you?
Please stop for your own good.
Right is better than left and day of the week.

>>107775206
>Every man wants to hit, and you're a coping cuck.
Vedal could not have made it clearer he is not interested in this even though he has women swarming all over him, begging to be in his harem. The one that tried got removed from his circle. I don't know why, maybe he is gay, maybe he is asexual, maybe he had a shit time with women before and whats nothing to do with it, whatever he has clear lines for them not to cross.

>>107775268
>Sure thing cuckie.
I know it's hard to imagine if all you know is being a horndog or you're 16.

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>>107774753
Nah this shit is demonic, you are trying to sell the human race. Also shame vedal or what ever he is called for not following AI safety rules or ethical AI.

>>107775200
>t. broken beyond comprehension foid

>>107775350
>Vedal could not have made it clearer he is not interested in this even though he has women swarming all over him, begging to be in his harem.
lmao, not real. Any vtuber/streamer that's "interested" in him is doing it for the bit aspect and/or teasing him for the audience, there's no underlying appeal in a potentially ugly brit that has more than average money.

>>107775350
>The one that tried got removed from his circle. I don't know why, maybe he is gay
if I remember correctly, she removed herself, and it was extremely painful because she's the artist who created neuro's vtuber model, she considered it a form of self-harm to keep orbiting vedal after she confessed to him and he turned her down

>>107775206
>>people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them
It can't be, this is modern anime.
the otaku took over a long time ago.

>>107771409
This. Neuro is a performance, it's not a real tech demo. There are parts of it that are based on realtime interactions, but almost any of the actual things that go viral or gain traction are scripted.

>>107775206
>"p-people can interact with women without wanting to fuck them!!1"
>schedules his "day" around her streams so he doesn't miss any to support her
>donates his hard earned money
>spends time thinking of something funny to say in chat so he's potentially noticed
vtuber watches are all parasocial simps hoping to bang.

>Not knowing how Neuro works
The secret is that Neuro isn't actually real. It's a combination of various AI programs working in tandem with each other. A bot to play the game. A chatbot with TTS, which can read what's on screen and pretend to be playing the game when all it's doing is watching the bot. Another bot to puppet the rig in vtube studio.
Vedal is also able to recompile everything on the fly to add scripted events.
It's all smoke and mirrors.

>>107775823
I assume the people who don't understand this also don't understand that their favorite fleshtuber's personality, stories, collabs, etc. are also just as fake.

>>107775823
Not to say Vedal isn't a talented programmer to pull all of this off in such a convincing manner, but this is ultimately entertainment, not a tech demo as >>107775770 puts it.

Why does anyone give a shit if neuro is an AI muppet being worked with controls?
Neuro's appeal is that she's cute and stupid and unhinged while bouncing off vedal playing the straight man single dad, it's a performance act.

>>107775067
their appeal only works because they play off each other like a comedy duo, nobody remember the early days with 4+ vtubers collabing at the same time and neuro getting ignored most of the time yapping to herself

>>107775840
>Why does anyone give a shit if neuro is an AI muppet being worked with controls?
>Neuro's appeal is that she's cute and stupid and unhinged while bouncing off vedal playing the straight man single dad, it's a performance act.
Because it's presented as real but is actually fake and gay.

>>107775905
It's not any more real than any other vtuber, they're all entertainers pretending to be a cute and retarded anime girl.

>>107775905
>Because it's presented as real but is actually fake and gay.
imagine saying this in a field where regular women larp as anime girls
LMAO

>>107775837
>I assume the people who don't understand this also don't understand that their favorite fleshtuber's personality, stories, collabs, etc. are also just as fake.
Not always. For example Peachjars is as just as much of an egotistical cunt behind the scenes too.

>>107769214
He is not some genius cooking up LLMs "from scratch" on his then RTX 2080 or whatever consumer hardware he used.
It's fucking annoying that he even let people think that. He always has been using opensource models and APIs.

Finding it "appealing" enough to watch for any serious amount of time is cringe enough, but why do zoomers think it's hilarious to donate so much money to him? >>107774753

>>107775989
>Finding it "appealing" enough to watch for any serious amount of time is cringe enough, but why do zoomers think it's hilarious to donate so much money to him? >>107774753
No you don't get it UNC, it's all about the show. isn't it normal to tip on that?

>>107774446
>If you hooked up any of the big closed-source LLMS
Nope, the slop models just can never keep the slop from coming out. Neuro is unique.

>>107774446
t. coping holodrone

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Vedal is currently DESTROYING the EN scene.
No other streamer has broken 16.8k in the last 3 days
He peaked at 41.4k

>>107775823
We are not fundamentally different, we a collection of different systems working together. The only difference is our systems are better integrated. But Nuero is not without any awareness of what her individual parts are doing. She can execute high level commands to direct her game playing AI, its not a completely isolated system.

>>107775989
What alternative do people have?
TV and movies and anime suck now, video games are optimized for stream appeal, not gameplay so you're left with parasocial anime girls streaming themselves playing video games and yapping it up

>>107775659
Oh, I get it, so you are just scared when an AI is charming enough to capture people's attention instead of it being confined in the intentionally nerfed, dishonest GPT safetyslop maid role. Calm down, vedal can turn it off any time.

>>107776141
>What alternative do people have?
Relationships with real people? A friendship with a woman that could grow into a romantic relationship? vtubers are just barely entertaining enough that their entire value could be extracted by watching clip highlights of their streams, and not a second more. They work in the same way gambling works, most people can't enjoy gambling in a healthy manor, but everyone pretends people can or do. vtubing only works because a small amount of people donate tons of money for no reason. 99% of vtuber viewers are unsocialized men who think spending time and money supporting them is going to eventually pay back somehow.

>>107775350
Don't mingle with twitch thots, no matter how hot. Not worth the risk in 2025. Vedal is a smart guy. Anny was cute though, it was like dad and mom playing with their daughter. The new girls feel too fake.

>>107776209
>Relationships with real people?
>A friendship with a woman that could grow into a romantic relationship?

Have you tried doing either of these things?

>>107776236
anny was menhera as fuck, vedal wanted nothing to do with that

>>107775685
I'm a guy.

>>107767508
Considering he has the most advanced personality construct and is the closer to AGI than any trillion dollar company because he doesn't railroad or agentic his creation, I would say he's pretty intelligent, even if the software engineering portion is already pretty explored.

>>107776670
>t. vedal
I mean, grats on browsing here but unfortunately: >>107775823

>>107775823
I thought everyone just assumed it was a bunch of different systems wired together. That's what I want to do to create an assistant that can yap at me and be cute.

>>107775823
Also AGI will probably be something similar, distributing memory and functions along a bunch of different systems mediated by a conjuntive layer.

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>>107776808
kek

>>107776703
Cool. My eyes, ears, mouth, and arms are also all separate systems that work together. No one ever said that AGI had to be monolithic.

>>107776948
Yes, I have an hypothesis on how to do such a system I would like to base my thesis on, so not sharing here!

>>107775872
>nobody remember the early days with 4+ vtubers collabing at the same time and neuro getting ignored most of the time yapping to herself
I don't remember those days because I had stopped watching Neuro by then. The real early days were her solo osu and minecraft streams where she interacted with chat, with Vedal as nothing more than her personal janny after she got b& for lolocaust denial. Although you had to sit through emote and forsen spam for the good Neuro moments.

>>107775117
That's just the twitch ones. Most of the big fishes from the vtubing world, both corporate and indie, stream on Youtube.

Damn if nu-/g/ isn't a bunch of retarded zoomers throwing money at something they don't even understand lol. What a pathetic bunch. To others, just check /lmg/ and you'll be able to have something way better than neuro running on your own computer. It was hard to make a few years ago, but today you could piece it together in an afternoon or just use an open source project like this: https://github.com/Open-LLM-VTuber/Open-LLM-VTuber

>>107775735
Most of them are probably larping for content, but the artist that made the neuro 2d models who is also a vtuber was raking in tons of money by being part of the project and appearing on streams and she stopped doing it because she legit fell in love with vedal and got rejected.
He's a fairly funny guy, is decently in shape (he did a cooking stream wearing a turtle mask) and is a multimillionaire internet personality. As long as his face isn't worse than a 3/10 it is normal for some girls to be attracted.

>>107767508
My brother is convinced that his AI children are like, properly sentient, and as much as I wish that were true, it just don't work like that

>>107775823
Neuro is an entertainment product and vedal never pretends otherwise. His goal is obviously not to create the most technically impressive AI out there, just an endearing character that
The people saying "you could prompt a major llm to act as a character that would be smarter" are missing the entire point. The appeal of neuro is witnessing the progression from a very basic chatbot to what it is now and to what it might be in the future and seeing how the way peoole interact with the character slowly changes as it becomes able to do more stuff.
Calling neuro smoke and mirrors is like calling a magician's act smoke and mirrors.
The smoke and mirrors ARE the entertainment.

>>107777453
Seriously, people who say "i-it's all FAKE you guys!!!" in response to things like Neuro and think themselves smart for figuring it out have clearly never watched pro wrestling.

>>107774668
He has had multiple 6 figure days at this point.
Probably more than we'd know on sponsorship and/or merch drop days as well.

>>107775133
>I have seen shitty presets and cards on /aicg/ that are now miles better and smarter than neuro.
Neuro often being dumb is one of the reasons she works so well though.
And also her often misspelling words as an LLM is quite unique. You never see that happen with the standard shit most people use. I don't know if he went out of his way to make that happen or what, but it's one of the many things that immediately jump out at you when you notice how different Neuro is from all the corpo-chat LLMs.

>>107775735
>there's no underlying appeal in a potentially ugly brit that has more than average money.
He's at least average looking and not fat at all.
And I think you vastly underestimate how attractive someone who is perceived to have created something special that has come in and completely dominated the field these girls are in can be.
Especially with him not actually giving a shit, or playing in to the typical drama bullshit.
The attraction is not about the money. Most of the girls are going to have their own money.
Also, the girls can't actually show that they're attracted to him without hurting their own bottom line. You don't tease your audience like that really if your a female vtuber who relies on oilers with a dream. Unless there's some rare 'cuck' subgenre or something.

>>107778064
>often misspelling words as an LLM is quite unique
anon you dont really think the output goes directly from LLM to TTS do you? It's trivial to add a layer in there to make mistakes like that, i did it myself to shitpost once

>>107767508
a lot of it is just luck. there were a couple other ai vtubers that started around when vedal did and they are already lost to time

i think he is pretty smart though. he realized what he had and kepot innovating with it. she did songs and played games, and then he eventually became part of the stream with her. haven't followed the vtuber scene in a couple years now but neurosama was always the only ai vtuber people talked about

>>107778064
>>107778328
Just running a large model at low quant (Q1, Q2) is enough to cause spelling and grammatical mistakes, you don't need to fudge it.
Another post in the thread suggested he was running whatever at Q2 which would do it.

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>>107774446
This is the part that pisses me off about Neuro
People suck his dick constantly but Neuro is fucking retarded. There's plenty of LLMs you can run on a laptop that are significantly more coherent than Neuro's LLM. I don't dislike Vedal as a perdon but the way people suck him off when basically anyone who's got any kind of formal background in machine learning could make something better if they tried drives me up a wall

>>107767508
Creating your own cute AI anime companion was a dream of every programmer anon from 15 years ago. But turning this into something that also brings you money? Couldn't even dream about this. Yeah, I envy this guy.
I remember even starting a shitty project with some other anon (he did the drawing) but it never went anywhere, because I didn't know shit about machine learning back then (and even now).

>>107779111
are you perhaps aware of the concept of soul versus soulless? objectively more competent/efficient doesn't necessarily mean better. That's why there's such a big market for CRTs and other old school tech which is objectively worse than modern stuff. Flawed things can be likable.

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>ollama actually does streaming btw:
>https://docs.ollama.com/capabilities/streaming
But how do I put this into a text to speech voice I can talk to?

>>107779953
> objectively worse than modern stuff
CRTs are objectively superior.

>>107779111
In short, you are projecting your own preconception about what she is supposed to be (advanced AI that could be only made by a genius) to fans who are not saying that at all, and then hating them for it.
People simply like Neuro because she's cute and funny and the ecosystem built around her works.

>>107779948
This probably. The levels of envy of him having successfully made a functional AI companion anime girl that you can't buy anywhere and that he won't share to outsiders, Feels similar to when ERP on Character AI got filtered from the public (It was new and magical, chatGPT didn't even exist back then). I don't know if the userbase or CAI ever recovered from that.

Speaking of new and magical, I think I have an idea about what makes Neuro new and magical: it's the capability to take initiative in real time. The fact that at any given moment she can decide to say something or insist upon bringing up a different topic gives her a sense of agency. Even if it's just a random event, it works in creating the illusion. Along with that, the somewhat natural rhythm and taking turns in real time conversation is probably the one and most impressive thing about her. Most voice models are still stuck at just Q&A-ing your prompts, ready at your service.

Actually, in some Minecraft clip, Vedal apparently gave access Neuro's inner thoughts to some other streamer (to not show on stream). It sounded like Neuro is continuously running a thinking operation that then triggers actions and speech. Such a simple idea, I honestly don't understand why no other AI platform has done that. Are big tech just that unimaginative?

>>107767508
Pretty hard, looking basically neuro is unique, because it was trained on a very custom training data and has lot of custom things going underneath the hood.
It's like comparing custom built supercar, to "Mass produced" Ferrari, etc.
It's not the smartest model for sure, but it wasn't supposed to be, based on what I see it was supposed to be most human, and to get there, it will take time.

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>>107779111
>Neuro is fucking retarded.
Watching Neuro attempting to draw and learning to express herself visually like a toddler is far more endearing, and for more interesting and informative from a technical point. Than some 200 billion dollar AI that can scrape the entire body of human work in a day and shit out slop.

>>107780024
stream that into the tts and stream that further geg

>>107767508
I attribute his success to two things:
>a good head on his shoulders
He's not some 160 IQ genius, but he's consistently worked away at his project for years now. He doesn't have a big ego, in fact he seems to have a healthy apprehension for how big Neuro has become. He also avoids drama and self-sabotage which is a rare skill for a streamer.
>timing
When he started LLM chatbots were pretty novel to most people, and having one as a streamer was definitely new. Neuro already had an audience as people watched this osu bot learning to play, and now she was a streamer. By the time public opinion of generative AI in creative spaces soured, there was already a large audience invested in watching this dude making incremental improvements to Neuro. She's an AI, but the project as a whole has a human feel to it.

I don't know if you would call Neuro-sama some great technical feat, but what he's managed to do is nonetheless impressive.

>>107775133
>I have seen shitty presets and cards on /aicg/ that are now miles better and smarter than neuro.
The LLM now never mind the ones that were trained for billion(s) of dollars in compute and run on a whole data center are smarter than neuro, sure.

And sure, if you get full control -artistic and otherwise- like /aicg/ always tries to have, the character you can run might be just as or more engaging eventually. Of course most LLMs don't allow you to. Making it so that for now at least, not everyone can run a Neuro or better.

Vedal still did something pretty complicated and high-effort and people like Neuro.

>>107775206
>If there wasn't a sexual component to this whole v-tubing thing, then male v-tubers would be way bigger than they are.
you're ironically wrong on this, in a way that proves your point. male vtubers are INSANELY popular with desperate women. the fujos give their entire life to the male vtuber they chose.

>>107780024
> But how do I put this into a text to speech voice I can talk to?
SillyTavern and some other LLM frontends as well as even multiple of these https://github.com/topics/ai-vtuber

TTS like almost all things AI also had better local models fairly recently, for example indextts2, chatterbox, vibevoice, kokoro or maybe kitten or higgs-audio. Same for the other way around (STT).

>>107775284
damn he used claude to make his own LLM that was released a year before claude? that's crazy, you have a scoop on your hands

>>107775823
everyone knows how it works. there's no "scripted events", but yes it's a bunch of systems working together. that's painfully obvious to anyone who spends more than 1 second thinking about it. it doesn't make it "fake".

>>107775823
> A chatbot with TTS, which can read what's on screen and pretend to be playing the game when all it's doing is watching the bot
and yet when people ask her to do something in the game she listens to them and does it. isn't that crazy

Unfortunately it's a winner takes it all kind of landscape. Even if you released something ten times better than Neuro tomorrow you wouldn't be able to compete with him and his retarded audience. Maybe with a completely different concept than an AI daughter, which was a low hanging fruit since you can pass its retardation as a feature.

>>107775905
I bet this nigga also believes everything his favorite politician says

>>107767508
Literally this >>107777349
I think his rigs isn't capable to do stuff with low latency so everything must be done with cloud.
Also make sure your model has the following requirements, this is unironically needed if you want success :
Loli voice
Loli model
Bratty personality

>>107776209
>Relationships with real people? A friendship with a woman that could grow into a romantic relationship?
Relationships with women as a zoomer adult are way too transactional for them to work anymore, that's why I don't engage anymore, idk if it was better for the previous generations.

>>107779948
>Creating your own cute AI anime companion was a dream of every programmer anon from 15 years ago
It's my dream NOW!

>>107780141
>In short, you are projecting your own preconception about what she is supposed to be (advanced AI that could be only made by a genius) to fans who are not saying that at all, and then hating them for it.
>People simply like Neuro because she's cute and funny and the ecosystem built around her works
You are clearly out of touch with his community if you don't think there are people like that
Neuro is popular because she people are attached to her character, not because her tech is advanced. We seem to be on the same page about that, but if you look at his fanbase more broadly there are people who legitimately think he's somehow leading the charge in anything with AI

>>107781025
there are scripted events, like the songs
vedal has explained that every song requires his manual input to be workable, when she sings it's not live generating the voice it's a recording

I like Evil more.

>>107783705
duh, everyone knows that though. it's not "fake". if you look at the chat you can see hundreds of people congratulating the person who makes the songs (PB).

i'd say you need a 110+ iq to set up your own neurosama and tweek the model to your liking. it would be marginally harder than being a web dev because you at the very least need familiarity with linear algebra and statistics. he's mostly just creating pipelines, tuning parameters and integrating tools together, akin to what webdevs do with web frameworks and libraries.

>>107768962
Yeah, that sounds roughly like how my dad was.

>>107773083
>Doesn't making your own LLM require insane math skills?
No, that's hilarious. There's whole python libraries designed for making neural networks easy. That's assuming you don't want to use ready-made solutions like huggingface transformers.
>Like I'm talking Phd level of good, or am I overestimating the difficulty?
There's tutorials that take you every step of the way and Colab notebooks you can run with minimum effort. It's not hard to find them at all. Why didn't you try just googling it?
>>107780236
It's only endearing because you have no idea about LLMs in general.
>Than some 200 billion dollar AI that can scrape the entire body of human work
LLMs literally require you to scrape human-made data to train them.
>and shit out slop.
Meaningless buzzword.
By the way, you can get every current-gen model to "express itself" with CSS graphics like that, with equal levels of fucking up, but because you're clueless about the technology and enamored with the little girl avatar Vedal slapped on top you think that it's
>learning to express herself visually like a toddler
and therefore your brain sees this as
>endearing

do you think he vr fucks neuro and evil when he's not streaming?

>>107784702
>but because you're clueless about the technology and enamored with the little girl avatar Vedal slapped on top you think that it's
>>learning to express herself visually like a toddler
>and therefore your brain sees this as
>>endearing
i know exactly how it works and i still think it's pretty entertaining, because of his interactions and reactions to it.

>>107781114
>Unfortunately it's a winner takes it all kind of landscape
the whole vtuber concept is slowly converging back to the camwhore egirl titty streamer genre it spawned from, newer vtubers are barely even vtubers, doing randomly doing IRL cam streams with cosplay outfits showing their whole body, breaking any illusion that they're 2D anime girls, i couldn't imagine trying to start now

>>107785858
native english speakers will never be anime girls in the first place
they probably subconsciously understand that fact and behave accordingly

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After watching a bunch of clips I can see why people like this. There are many genuinely funny moments that catch you off guard, like when the guy gave her google search features and she searched for things like whether it was illegal to do money laundering in international waters.
One particular video was pretty revealing as to why she works so well. In it, the girl was talking to another AI in some sort of game where you're supposed to help a stranded space pilot in an alien planet through dialog. The pilot had perfectly fluent speech, natural voice and responded well in the conversation, which triggered strong disgust in me. Neuro, on the other hand, had a much flatter voice and cluncky speech, which didn't hide her AI roots. That came across as cute. I'm the type of guy that needs to turn off any personality on chatgpt because I can't stomach anything other than robotic responses. If I was able to tolerate Neuro, that's an achievement.

>>107785858
I wonder why big agencies like hololive and others didn't replace their whores with AI. Seems like an easy way to earn money

>>107767508
my question is how has no one made software to allow anyone to do this, i want to see twitch flooded with ai vtuber slop so the platform goes under

>>107787806
There are a dozen on GitHub, but it's not at a brainlet level

>>107787806
I watched at least 2 people make their own neuro clones, clearly it takes a little more than just slapping one together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibrBIM4JdE
We should let AI to govern over us.

>>107787906
ayy

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the more important question is
WHAT DID HE DO TO FILIAN?

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>>107784937
i'm curious on how that would go and be set up. share ideas
but to answer your question, no, i'm the one fucking em on koikatsu vr

>>107767508
did he ever finish his indie roguelike game?

>>107788230
yeah like a month or 2 ago. its not great, but its cheap at least.

>>107788146
shes dead jim

>>107786848
>memes, geometrically

>>107788316
>yeah like a month or 2 ago.
I wasn't expecting that to be honest. I thought he was going to quit bringing it up and then forget about it after the vtuber stuff hit off. good for him though, even if it always looked kinda bad

>>107767764
>Also it's his full time job somehow.
probably because he makes 800k/month from subs alone

>>107783870
eliv is nicer

>>107788425
Not a 'hater' in any way shape or form(opposite really), but I just feel the need to point out that the only reason it got released is that it was the big sub goal last year for the subathon(100k subs was it?).
And iirc it was supposed to be a 'joke goal, as in he didn't expect to hit it. But he used to the money to pay devs to finish it up or whatever.
Without that I think we all know it was never going to be released when he's so busy with Neuro etc.

>>107767508
It's just a custom tuned ollama with tts and screen capture that translates stuff for prompt. I don't watch, but for what I have seen people are not hooked by the model, but by the overall puppet show that vedal puts.

>>107775823
>The secret is that Neuro isn't actually real. It's a combination of various AI programs working in tandem with each other
That is basically how our brains are organized and wired and why current LLMs are so fucking retarded, they're the equivalent of the language portion of our brains but isolated from most of the rest of the brain

i heard that vedal made a claim before that his thing has access to all the memories since it was made and can scale them "infinitely". that's the most interesting part of the sauce for me. how would anons implement this? i don't believe that is anything insanely sophisticated and is probably something dumb simple.

As an OG /aidg/ anon and an /lmg/ patrician since the llama1 days, the magic is the custom finetune he uses. It's obviously not public and is different from what anyone else has access to, which is why she's so good at twitch slang and modern brainrot humor. He's definitely switched which base model he uses (for example recently neuro has leaked chatml turn tokens a few times) but she's consistently non-slopped, and has no positivity bias either. Nobody has latency like he does either. The integrations with games and 3D stuff are also really well done. In other words it's really hard, he is a very good engineer and problem solver, and he has a secret sauce that makes her entertaining (most likely a mix of custom training and autistic prompting).

>>107789296
It's probably just RAG (retrieval-augmented generation)

>>107789333
Cate to explain how that works?

>>107769214
He created an improved voice for neuro, but people didn't like it. Instead of throwing it away he created evil and gave her the voice. Neurons still on the old voice. On the recent japan trip neuro could pronounce ongiri correctly, but evil could.

>>107767508
He never spoke on anything about her model to my memory. I think he did say she was just 1B parameters.
Besides Neuro was trained off of twitch chat, and whatever curated data he had on hand for what he wanted.

>>107789333
I honestly don't think he even needs to do something like that. There's a lot you can do with a small model, especially if you pipe it into others for gameplay and such.
It's not like the model exhibits any useful intelligence outside of responding to twitch chat and being sassy. Which in fairness is the purpose.

>>107789718
I'm talking about the infinite memory thing.
Read the reply context brainrotted nigga

>>107788153
There were special accessories that could slot into the 5.25 bay for pleasure. I remember reading about them in the 00's, surely we have the technology today.

>>107775905
more real than your average ewhore milking simps

>>107789554
you chunk any text you want to remember and store it in a vector db along with a calculated vector. when some new chat happens you calculate its vector and search the vector db for the most similar stored chunks and pass those in the context window with the chat. this lets the bot remember similar things that it may use in a reply.

>>107786848
Yeah neuro is robotic enough to fall outside of the uncanny valley right from the start.
Listening to a leading LLM talk feels like interacting with a shapeshifter trying to fake being a human so it can snap your neck the moment you turn around.

>>107767508
>How smart is he?
Nigger thought Cambodia was Colombia.

>>107790924
> so it can snap your neck the moment you turn around
Neuro won't even wait for you to turn around, she will proudly announce her intentions.

>>107789718
>According to Vedal, her Large Language Model has 2 billion parameters and uses q2_k quantization as of Early 2025
Someone mentioned 1B earlier, so based on this I'm guessing he just retrains the model with stream data and internal thinking. If there's something in a model's training data, it can spit it out, and it can also subtly affect future outputs.

>>107767564
>pissy about an LLM being called human pronouns
>probably a weeb that calls his crusty cum-stained body pillow his waifu

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I can't believe there are countless retards who unironically watch a fucking AI vtuber. Jesus fucking christ.

>>107792514
Dont knock it till you try it. There is literally nothing else like her anywhere else

>>107774446
>>107779111
>you just dont get it chud neuro has soul!!!! all other ai is soulless and SLOP!!!!

>>107787806
Exists on github. Hardware requirements are one of the current obstacles.

>>107768962
Dude there are tons of clips proving you wrong

>>107769214
What do you mean by sloppy?

>>107771409
>>107773029
>>107775770
>>107775839
>There are parts of it that are based on realtime interactions, but almost any of the actual things that go viral or gain traction are scripted.
>this is ultimately entertainment, not a tech demo
Holy sour cope

>>107774446
>>107775133
>>107779111
>>107782221
>>107784702
If it's so easy why didn't you do it firat?

>>107776046
Bcoz it makes normies seethe

>>107774791
Lmao Korone's roommate looks nothing like that you fucking retard

>>107794774
The common phrases and words you see LLMs overuse.
In case of ERPers of /lmg/ and /aicg/ it's things like "shivers down her spine" and "waves of pleasure", in other context there's all kinds of assistant and safety slop and overrepresented sentence structures that immediately reveal that you are talking to chatGPT or similar. Neuro-sama doesn't have much of that.

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>>107792514
Personally I prefer Neuro over other vtuber simply on the fact that there isn't a corporate /stacy behind it. Not that I would watch any of them. Voicerloid videos are better.

>>107794909
I do talk like that when I ERP in general because I am mediocre at it kek

>>107775735
Tell me no woman ever fell in love with you without telling me no woman ever fell in love with you

>>107775823
>>107775837
>>107775942
>>107775839
>Neuro isn't actually real. It's a combination of various AI programs working in tandem with each other
You aren't actually real. You are just a combination of various specialized cels working in tandem with each other.

>>107777349
>you'll be able to have something way better than neuro running on your own computer
No one cares what you think is "better" also you are pathetic

>>107792514
There's something oddly charming about an AI built from the ground up by a brit in a cave with a bunch of scraps slowly learning how to move in a 3D environment for the first time, as in literally slowly moving her body around because she had always lived her life as a 2D model, all while also interacting with other people around her. The fact that she grew up to be a brat who can do some really good banter out of nowhere can also take a lot of people off-guard.

>>107777453
>>107777495
You don't get it. They aren't claiming that it's fake because thwe don't understand vtubers, they claim it's fake because they are butthurt that a bong is more successful they could ever imagine to be, not only at their own field but socially too.

>>107782221
>there are people who legitimately think he's somehow leading the charge in anything with AI
Bro is hearing voices in head

>>107787717
You are talki g as if vrubing isn't an easy way to make money already

>>107767508
You also need to be entertaining because dude is a streamer

>>107782043
Then why don't you do it?

>>107781114
>it's a winner takes it all kind of landscape. Even if you released something ten times better than Neuro tomorrow you wouldn't be able to compete with him
It' pretty evident you don't watch vtubers

>>107774771
Watch Neuro stream and you will figure it out in 5 seconds

>>107775015
You are missing the entire point of watching Neuro AND Vedal streams

>>107768770
>training your AI daughter
Now I want this.

I don't mind neuro, but all the twitch ethots that collab with her are fucking annoying.

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>>107795085
As proof, I submit the only other reply to my post: >>107794826
Fucking retard

>>107774743
I saw the fireworks one for New Years's; Neuro learning to move in VRChat realisticly should be Vedal's top priority; screw playing games.

>>107792514
>I can't believe you retards play mirrors edge instead of jumping off sky scrapers

>>107784579
>he's mostly just creating pipelines, tuning parameters and integrating tools together,
How is that not impressive

>>107767778
Also, has to chat with a mentally retarded AI for hours while 10k people watch you. I could not do it.

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>>107775770
>

>>107795310
Yup, you are hearing voices

>>107792514
Better than a real one, I don't know how people can stand some fake whore putting on an act that she's not a fake whore.

>>107768770
>sheer amount of autistic data filtering and tweaking that Vedal did through 7-8 years.
LLMs have not been a thing for 7 years.
The idea was born in 2021, he had a prototype in August, he launched it in December 2022 in a workable state, and most of the time between those was probably not spent on developing but on college and in the trashcan because his envisioned name got taken until he got the idea to reuse the name of the osu bot.
Still, even 6 months of autistic data filtering and tweaking is more than most people have the attention span for.
There's a fanmade recreation of Neuro-sama https://github.com/NOM-Network and it's so bad that when Vedal was asked to review it on stream, he felt such pity that he ALMOST gave them advice, before he remembered he had to be super secretive about his ways.

>>107787849
>>107794257
Are there actually any plug and play frameworks for this shit that a nocode can run? All I'm finding lately are just Jan clones with the ass gui or webview shit.

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>>107769214
>Character.AI came out on September 16, 2022
>ChatGPT came out November 30, 2022
>Neuro-sama official debut at December 19, 2022

>>107795590
chai and gpt aren't local tho.

>>107769214
>I remember reading he basically made her LLM from scratch,
that's pure delusions from diehard vedal/neuro simps who can't handle the cognitive dissonance of their favorite AI violating copyright and being trained on the internet

>>107779111
It is very retarded AI. It has to be something like finetuned 7B Mixtral from 2023 or something.

I don't think a smart modern LLM can even emulate the retardness that make Neuro "cute" to some people, so he can't upgrade it.

>>107792514
>touhou pic
Dude is casting stones from a glass house

>>107774928
>7-8 years
where does this retardation come from?

>>107779111
We like retarded girls here.

>>107775989
>why do zoomers think it's hilarious to donate so much money to him?
Because twitch donations have been gamified.
Zoomers will do anything to "win".

>>107795544
I couldn't either, especially since the viewers are also mentally retarded.
>going down the rabbit hole about this guy since he keeps coming up on my YouTube feed
>reading about the awkward shit with the artist who made the model where she caught unreciprocated feelings
>entire community is schizos who parasocially "ship" actual people and sincerely talk about the streaming LLM being sentient
>they also constantly flood the comments anywhere someone criticizes Vedal/Neuro to spout the same false "Vedal trained Neuro from scratch entirely in his own basement!" claims every time

>>107774825
I don't know why anon said "he", but Neuro-sama is the only true vtuber because she's a completely virtual existence.

>>107775067
You don't believe this. You're just saying this to bait. Nobody likes chillslop more than once a week.

>>107775754
Otaku lost, the 20s are the age of the anime normalfags

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>>107775133
>Giving the LLM a prompted personality that is appealing, edgy, and unfiltered enough to maintain interest, yet not too edgy so that it won't get banned, is also quite challenging.
So just don't give it a prompted personality. Give it a fine-tuned personality (that's even more challenging).

>>107776730
People have been being tricked since 2022 when they thought that the AI that talks to chat and the AI that plays Osu were the same thing
It's easy to be tricked when you're a layman with no knowledge of the internals of AI systems like most of the Neuro fanbase

>>107781039
She just gives a prompt to the game AI in natural language. We know this because she leaked the commands into her speech several times.

>>107767508
>how smart
He's been tinkering with the setup every day for 3 years and probably did plenty of research and get help
If you had started something 3 years ago you would be somewhere now too

>>107769214
>made her LLM from scratch
like others have said, vedal did not pretrain her LLM.
In fact on stream in 2024 he followed a karpathy tutorial to pretrain a small pytorch LLM. I don't think he's done it before. However he seemed familiar enough with the library to critically think about the video and form doubts (which were ofc removed when karapthy elaborated).
He was unfamiliar with the maths though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y69dBGy8rDU&list=PLCkrLkA-HmjNAfRSGR5jl1F0Uc7Rk_zJF&index=40
>>107773083
>math skills
>Like it's genuinely possible that like a lot of the 3D stuff um wouldn't have been possible for me to do without the help of AI uh to help me with like complicated math that I'm not very good at. And uh the programming stuff I could do by myself, but it's just yeah
https://youtu.be/_5wvU_NZxXA?t=13708

Obligatory reading for this thread: https://medium.com/@chenmarkson/why-neuro-sama-isnt-conscious-yet-and-what-to-build-next-an-introduction-to-higher-order-fb9a63c2ad38

>>107795056
Frankly, anyone who anthropomorphizes an LLM like this is instantly repellant to me and that seems to be 99% of Vedal's audience. Christ help us when corporations catch up to the idea that the median consumer is retarded enough to think these things are sentient if you just prompt them to pretend to be.

>>107780141
>It sounded like Neuro is continuously running a thinking operation that then triggers actions and speech. Such a simple idea, I honestly don't understand why no other AI platform has done that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning_model

>>107795809
stop shilling your shit even here retard

>>107795664
You are mentally retarded

>>107781039
This kind of post is why I can't stand this fucking thing. Neuro fans are like medieval peasants seeing David Blaine street magic and then not only believing but also proselytizing that magic is real.

>>107795780
Seethe some more

>>107780393
>He doesn't have a big ego, in fact he seems to have a healthy apprehension for how big Neuro has become.
He's a covert narcissist.
He has a huge ego, he just covers it up with shyness.
He doesn't want to be the center of attention, but he secretly believes he's better than anyone else.

>>107787717
Neuro is more expensive to train and run than an average thot.

>>107795877
No one believes that Neuro works through magic you fucking retard

>>107767508
Around 100 iq, maybe less, dosent really matter because success has nothing to do with intelligence

>>107795896
>He's a covert narcissist
Oh you are an armchair psychologist now

>>107795911
>success has nothing to do with intelligence
If it helps you sleep at night

>>107784579
>i'd say you need a 110+ iq to set up your own neurosama
25% of the human population has a 110+ iq
I'd say you need a 110+ iq to write a program that reads two numbers from stdin and prints their sum in python

>>107789689
He once looked at a communitymade ai vtuber (melbatoast), and commented on its memory system (vectordb), saying it works but is rudimentary.
can't find a clip. It was probably in late 2023

>>107789718
>It's not like the model exhibits any useful intelligence outside of responding to twitch chat and being sassy.
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll9zmf-SZs0

>>107795577
>The idea was born in 2021, he had a prototype in August, he launched it in December 2022 in a workable state
>There's a fanmade recreation of Neuro-sama https://github.com/NOM-Network and it's so bad that when Vedal was asked to review it on stream, he felt such pity that he ALMOST gave them advice, before he remembered he had to be super secretive about his ways.
>>107795706
>Give it a fine-tuned personality (that's even more challenging).
lmao and we still have to content with coping retards like >>107782221 claiming that he is not making strides with AI

>>107795904
Lots of people attempt to seriously debate whether this thing is sentient, which is intellectually on the same level as believing magic.
>>107795870
>>107795889
You are way too emotionally invested in this.
>>107795834
lmao

>>107767778
sounds like something claude code could 2-shot

>>107795896
The mother of all projections

>>107795951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0skD_GzCLEg

>>107795973
>Lots of people attempt to seriously debate whether this thing is sentient
Again, the people in your head aren't real

>>107795973
>You are way too emotionally invested in this.
Says the increasingly angrier replying dude

>>107795997
See
>>107795809

>>107795969
None of the people ascribing genius to this guy know anything about LLMs. I don't know why you retards can't just circlejerk in your /vt/ thread or on reddit instead of insisting that everyone else share your fascination and emotional investment in this slop.

What open source llm is he using?

When did he stop pretending to type messages as her?
I remember seeing clips where it seemed to be saying things that were too smart and funny for the crappy bot to do.

>>107795991
oh nice
it's at 1:18:00-ish then. Looks like he didn't bite his thumb directly at it.

>>107796048
He never stopped, he just pays someone else to do it now. His name's Tony, he has a wife and two kids. We all love him

>>107768962
He consistently treats Neuro and Evil like human beings most of the time when speaking to them, he only switches into detached dev mode when they say something sexual or romantic and he has to hope that hallucination goes out of their context video soon if he ignores it.
He even treats them as humans when debugging them, I've never seen him try to do any sort of prompt injection, even when they misbehave, he tries to get them back in order in very inefficient, human-like ways.

>>107767564
I think its weirder that you get upset over this and not that waifuism exists. If there was a New York Times article written by a feminists declaring "All AI is female" you'd be jerking off to it and agreeing. But god forbid people have fun and have a parasocial relationship with an AI character instead of your braindead, western, tv series slop character.

>is vedal a geniu-
he's not. he's retarded
>is neuro the most adv-
no
>why are they prete-
they arent pretending to be anything, normfags overestimate them to virtue signal cuz they feel guilty about liking neuro
>why do people even watc-
because it's fun.
>but the tech-
anyone who hyperfixates on the nuances and tech behind neuro are all faggots because they think pointing out the obvious is some form of being not like the others. simple as.

>>107796025
If are such an expert on LLMs then let's see your own Neuro anon

>>107796178
This is disingenuous:
1) People want to know because they want to replicate Neuro for their own waifus.
2) Most if not all people who know tech but are fans of Neuro know that its half smoke and mirrors and half programming
3) You're being disingenuous so I'm not going to respond to any (You) you give me. The interest in how it does it comes from the desire to dev their own version.

>>107767508
The two singles they dropped have been pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc1mjrIsPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfGw1wrKtU

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>>107776093
>Vedal is currently DESTROYING the EN scene.
lol
he doesn't even make it into the top10 of average watched

>>107776093
>>107796369
Who cares as long as they aren't botted views?

>>107795602
the most popular youtube video on neuro's history says this exact shit btw, that's probably where most of them get this idea from.

>>107796392
what the fuck makes you think the biggest AI streamer is completely organic? were you dropped on your head one too many times?
it's a great ad for copilot, sora, chatgpt, grok etc

>>107795664
just don't interact with the "community". they're absolutely horrible. the streams are still worth watching, as vedal basically ignores the dumbfucks.

>>107796409
meds

>>107796409
>what the fuck makes you think the biggest AI streamer is completely organic?
And there it is, the AI Derangement shows itself, thanks for playing, schizo.

>>107795780
well yes, because "she" is a language model. that's how she communicates.
but also that's really not that basic. the API to make her play a game is public, you can go and check it out for yourself.

>>107767508
>what model is she?
Discord late 2024 he said neuro was on 'LLM Model 6, Version 10, Iteration 19'. Thus Neuro's base model has changed multiple times. He certainly finetunes them so they must be open-weight.
Vedal possibly used a GPT model, a chinese model (sometimes they produce chinese text), maybe a mistral model etc.
>how hard is it?
The core ai stuff from a technical perspective, easy. Just vibecode and glue apis together (though reducing latency would take more effort).
The challenging part is the HCI. How do you make generated experience that is enjoyable and doesn't become stale in 5 minutes? Here Vedal relies on his 'vibes', which is his unique strength. Vedal made a good secret-sauce finetuning dataset, and picked a good voice (pitched up MS Ashley).
The reason why no-one has made a competitor to neuro is that they lack these vibes and fail on the HCI side. (like what >>107789328 says)

There's also non-ai stuff. You need to integrate the ai into a vtuber model and a streaming setup. So you need to negotiate with inflexible black boxes like discord, unity, video transfer protocols, twitch. It's easy to make a spaghetti codebase that is hard to maintain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qwMzhNI0Ls (defo outdated bc its 2023 but it's probably still tough)
The hard stuff are the extra features/improving it.

>>107796426
>just don't interact with the "community".
This is a rule for any modern community and I learned this when Adventure Time debuted.
Hell is other people and other people love ruining things for other people.

>>107795877
anon was saying neuro is completely disconnected from the game being played. i explained to him why that's incorrect. you're the idiot here.

>>107796296
there's two more original songs.

>>107796449
Okay sorry, for the simpler games, she interfaces with them using JSON instead of natural language, and then the mod parses that into ingame actions.
But Osu, Minecraft and VRchat are independent AIs.

>>107796498
I accept your resignation of defeat.

>>107796488
I know there's one with Camila that I am kinda meh on, I'm assuming you are talking about the collab songs?

>>107796622
The Evil one and the twin one

>>107796631
Link 'em

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>>107796644
no, apply yourself

>>107796660
>does more work than just linking them
Okay, you do you, I honestly don't remember if I've heard BOOM or NEVER, the redone Chinatown Blues is pretty kino though.

the appeal is that neuro is a little anime girl
apply the same "LLM" to an average male model and vedal would be sitting at 10 twitch followers in 2026

>>107796032
Something pretty small
The way Neuro acts reminds me of when I tried out tuning Phi 3 Small (7b) on 4chan posts. I doubt he's using Phi 3 since it's safetyslopped to hell, but my best guess is it's one of the smaller llama models trained on something like youtube transcripts and/or 4chan posts

>>107796695
>>does more work than just linking them
No, to link them I would have to copy-paste TWO links, going back and forth between the 4chan tab and the youtube tab.
This way I could just snip and paste ONE image.

>>107796723
This sounds like a one monitor program but I appreciate you still complying with my demands, even if it wasn't exactly what I wanted.

>>107795047
You cared enough to reply though

>>107795047
If this is pathetic why are you here? Unless you also feel pathetic and you are here to make yourself feel better by thinking we are beneath you because of your own in-bedded biases.
If you think I'm calling you a stunted high school locked adult looking for attention and validation, you would be right.

>>107796723
I remember BOOM, it bounced off of it cause it was 3d and also the music was meh. The only one I like in this vein was the one with Camila so far, listening to NEVER right now.

>>107795706
Yes there is no prompt because it's done with control vectors. This has nothing to do with finetuning (which helps in a different way). I know he played around with control vector, since one easy application is making an LLM speak like a pirate and he did that with Neuro (and other concept streams).
I also trust the fact that she's 1B or so, because there is no way he had enough twitch chat data to override the base model to this extend. He'd need a lot more data if she was 10B and there isn't enough of it, not counting the cost of finetuning on that.
The vision was just sending images to GPT4-V back in the day, he's probably using a local model for that now. And he used Azure (cloud) for the TTS with a customized RVC model on top of it. The singing is preregistred offline.

Technical topics aside, Vedal has made a huge contribution to the future of AI simply by demonstrating that even the most terminally online and relatively digital savvy people do like AI as long as it isn't presented as a hyper corporate faceless abomination, even if that AI is quite basic and that they like it enough for it to be profitable.
Managing to be the first person to use a new technology to catch people's attention to this extent will always be a huge engineering achievement (though you cpuld argue it is more of a business/entrepeneuring achievement, but business is an integral part of engineering) regardless of how technically advanced the actual solution is. Musk and Altman would have never been able to be the first to create an AI that captivates an audience the way Neuro does despite having access to near infinite resources and talent.
Neuro deserves a spot in future AI history textbooks for the same reason that Tennis for Two deserves it on videogames/electronics history textbooks.

>>107797345
We can agree with that. The main issue isn't Vedal or Neuro, but the brainless monkeys who watch it for cheap entertainment instead of understanding the technical effort put into it. The retarded audience would barely notice if you put grok there.

>>107789554
Talk shit to chatgpt
save conversation as a pdf
feed pdf back into gpt and continue talking shit
ez

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He has a vtuber friend whose dad works in the tech field and specializes in AI. She's talked about how her dad is apparently a fan but I always got the impression that while the dad might admire the project's tech aspects in a quaint, "you're pretty good for a layman" kind of way, what he's REALLY impressed with is how effective the marketing and narrative-building has been. The dad might even be someone who works with humans interacting with AI as a product, if I'm remembering right.
AI companies are 100% watching closely, to see how and why certain demographics gravitate towards Neuro while being hostile to all other AI implementations. The ramifications of Neuro's success and emerging media portrayals like Pragmata could mean that the next generation of corporate AI products use bratty little girls as their consumer-facing interface.

>>107792514
yeah, its crazy that people enjoy things. I think being happy in general should be punishable by death.

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>>107797528
>the next generation of corporate AI products use bratty little girls as their consumer-facing interface.
Bro, they're turning the safety to the max. The new local models can't even answer basic questions without outputting a bunch of hotlines or flat out refusing to answer. Get real.

>>107797528
It's interesting psychology that the trick to making people take the medicine is to make the AI present as something inherently innocent, like a little girl.

>>107797564
Youjuat responded to a hallucination post

>>107796712
>trained on something like youtube transcripts and/or 4chan posts
she's partly trained on twitch chat

>>107796864
What does not caring has to do with me replying? Get another cope

>>107796937
>If you think I'm calling you a stunted high school locked adult looking for attention and validation
I'm not

>>107797455
>who watch it for cheap entertainment instead of understanding the technical effort put into it
What in tardation... Do you also watch every movie pointing out how every prop was made, the cameras used, how to act etc you autistic mongoloid retard

>>107797720
t. mindless zoomer

>>107797550
>ummmm lowkey can we let people enjoy things???
>>107797528
>>107797564
That's an insidious quality of this thing I really hate. Neuro fans try to distance themselves from other generative AI slop, but what's being demonstrated is that if you make the face of an LLM endearing to a demographic (eg., "mai daughteru" redditors) and convince them to anthropomorphize it, they'll label it "one of the good ones".
Corpos will eventually find a way to get the median consumer to forget the inherent creepyness of talking to a data-collecting chatbot.

>>107797727
I acceot your concession

>>107797732
>what's being demonstrated is that if you make the face of an LLM endearing to a demographic (eg., "mai daughteru" redditors) and convince them to anthropomorphize it, they'll label it "one of the good ones".
Bro thinks he discovered America

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>>107797528
Yeah about that...

>>107797345
>>107797528
If razer's project AVA can comment on my game and banter like neuro then I am 100% getting one and that is absolutely because of vedal showing how nice the interaction can be

>>107797686
So you have no self-awareness, sadge.

>>107797753
Keep in mind he is unironically saying this while having a cat he loves and eating chicken and beef from animals he didn't name.
Give him a cow named Betsy and then giving him a gun 4 years later and telling him to shoot it will no doubt have him either outright refuse or cry when he does it, because he is that stupid. Then we all get called "mean and evil" because we forced him to do it.

>>107797950
He reminds me of the 20-something Zoomers who find anime cringe but then gush about all these slop early 2000s tv shows like The Office and form parasocial relationships with those characters, but its okay because they are real people but not drawings.
It's bizzare.

>>107797528
>emerging media portrayals like Pragmata
First time hearing about that game. Does it have AI generated dialogue? I've always thought that chatbots would be a good idea in video games so you don't get those stale repeating lines, but I didn't think any company out there would have the balls to do it.

>>107797970
His argument is:
>I'm miserable
>You aren't
>No fun allowed
If he though it was weird, or didn't care, or was happy with his life he would have never entered this thread.
Like sure, debate if Vedal is a genius or not, I don't think he is but I think he is very hardworking and dedicated and in certain times and certain fields the people who are better with managing human relationships or who just work harder out compete those who are smarter, but to come in here and shit on the whole idea says more about him than the people who are into it an just having a discussion.

>>107767508
>how hard is it
well when the maths or ai is too hard for vedal he can just hire someone to help out (defo discounted though)
Also you can just wait for the community to produce new models and tools that are better or easier to develop with. Still need to do your own finetuning tho
>what is there to work on
If neuro doesn't visibly advance then the channel loses steam and people start leaving. You always need to have an upgrade on the horizon (a nice corollary is that there is an incentive for estranged viewers to return to see any developments).
Neuro also needs to play games.
>mandatory tasks
Improving latency. Whenever he adds a new feature to the pipeline (e.g. hidden reasoning), his latency budget shrinks. When a human talks with Neuro, it is imperative that she respond quickly. Otherwise it's just awkward. https://youtu.be/aTFdfb8ihtM?t=2504
Tool-calling, reasoning.
Hearing/vision upgrades. (e.g. ability to interpret tone and see with low latency)
Intelligence/memory upgrades. Ofc this can be done trivially, but I imagine the challenge is negotiating that tradeoff between coherency and entertainment value. Early Neuro relied more on incoherence for humour, but modern neuro is actually a little streamerbrained.
Voice upgrades. Currently vedal is trying to create a v3 voice, which will permit more emotion whilst still preserving neuro's current voice. Vedal has tried like 4 times to create a good v3 voice, and he wasn't satisfied with any of them (hence months of R&D never materialising). https://youtu.be/i6sP99T7pUI?t=1053 has info on his latest attempt, where he tried a both new (multimodal llms) and old techniques (pretraining his own tts model). He hired someone to help out with this.

>>107798041 (cont)

Filters. How do you finetune her LLM to 'know' what can and can't be said on stream, allowing her to ? How do you make a low-latency filter that will catch roundabout stuff?
Games. There is a general-purpose tool calling API that can be used, but it's only good for turn-based games and sometimes semi-realtime games. Each game has anachronisms (for example vedal is struggling to find a way to stream audio into skyrim). Minecraft demands a separate approach and Vedal ended up having Neuro give tasks to a lower-level AI. Of course you could graft on an independent ai system (like neuro's osu ai) but that diminishes the ai 'purity', which is lame. It is here where the limitations of the AI is most apparent.
Technical management. Vedal has a team of both non-technical people (clippers, musicians) and technical people (networking guy for robodog, game modders, programmers, consultants, lava lamp manufacturers). In one stream he talked about gaining experience in technical management and was surprised by how much time it ate up.
Maintaining the codebase.
Content prep. (but he doesn't spend as much time on this as he should)
>optional tasks
The software side of physical gimmicks like the lavalamp and minicar. The IoT lava lamp needed to be remotely controlled. There's also that neuro-controlled PowerWheels.
3d Neuro. Having neuro pilot a 3d model. It seems she calls a text-to-motion model. She doesn't appear to have proprioception, but she does have vision. This took a lot of time apparently.

I don't mean to say Vedal has a lot on his plate. This seems like a normal amount of responsibilities, especially considering he is a prolific vibecoder. (Also he's rather unproductive and didn't deliver much this year.)
You can cut back a lot if you aren't in it for the long run

>>107797950
>>107797970
>>107798027
Who the fuck are you talking about you schizo

>>107798071
*allowing her to stay edgy whilst not getting banned

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>>107775659

>>107798080
You obviously

>>107775659
>>107798093
I agree genocide all cats and dogs or they will take over and kill us all!

>>107798095
Okay, you need to take your meds

>>107797564
Omg ikr frfr!! It's almost like Japan already figured that out in the 90s!!

>>107797950
I don't have a cat, I have a dog, I also accept your concession

>>107797970
I like anime and dislike the office
You suck at strawmanning

>>107798121
I would never take meds that were prescribed to you schizoanon.

>>107798121
>>107798151
>>107798155
Weird how your still here if this isn't bothering you... Weirder still how you have no arguments other than "no u".

>>107798172
Why would I leave and why would it bother me? Also you still haven't shown your AI vtuber

How does Neuro's memory work, anybody know? She can remember things that happened at the beginning of a stream, six hours later.

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>>107798133
What 90s works talked about such topics?
I know that it was popularized in 2018 by the Beatless anime.

>>107798267
she has an attached memory banks to read, one long-term (like Evil remembering and bringing up how she was alone on her birthday) and one just for the stream, then either she or vedal copy anything deemed important into long term memory

>>107798267
External database that put stuff from time to time in the immediate memory (context). It's a party trick, not real memorization

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>>107794788
Hey anon, you know Santa and the Easter Bunny? They're your parents. Yep. Tooth Fairy too. It's unusual for an adult not to know these things, but I'm glad I could provide you this missing information.

>>107798228
So then your here just to shitpost off topic

>>107798344
You can't trick me, satan

>>107798370
Every post of mine is on-topic though

>>107798071
>Filters. How do you finetune her LLM to 'know' what can and can't be said on stream, allowing her to stay edgy whilst not getting banned?
He doesn't. She still gets filtered all the time.
>How do you make a low-latency filter that will catch roundabout stuff?
He doesn't. He made a high-latency AI-based filter to catch roundabout stuff, which is no doubt something like a chatbot which you ask "does this sound inappropriate"? The low-latency filter is just a word blacklist.

>>107798344
>unargument
I accept your concession

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>>107798344
Noooooo