It only gets worse...
server DRAM requires $500+ motherboards, not meant for the average consumer
AGI is not worth this.
Hopefully the software developer faggits would finally optimise their shit because RAM is unaffordable.
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>>107772121Mainstream software, no. Will have to use old or obscure software, including games. Mainstream software is targeted for people who will actually pay, that means people who can afford $4000 PCs.
>>107772074Good for them, give it a couple years and they'll have so much backstock from people not ordering any at these retarded prices they'll drop back to thr prices they were at or even lower. This exact thing already happened in 2018
>>107772104>motherboardsNeither SK Hynix nor Samsung produces motherboards, which means the price hike will only affect DRAMs.
>>107772107If we actually got AGI out of it, it would be worth a lot more, but we won't anyways.
>>107772148Are you retarded by any chance?
has SRAM become any cheaper than DRAM?
>>107772074lol man it feels good to have but a future proof rig in 2024 with 128gb DDR5 5600 (OC’d to 6000) and an RTX4090 for $1100.My only mistake was buying a 14900K but it’s still running with no crashes.Why did you dumb niggas wait?
>>107772127Pls don't. someone will have to save us from this. >>107772143God I hate modern software so fucking much.
>>107772147>This exact thing already happened in 2018source?
>>107772147>This exact thing already happened in 2018Guess what happened in 2022
This is why you buy whatever hardware you need right the fuck now.In a year or two things are going to be so much worse, that a $1200 set of 64GB RAM and a $5000 5090 is going to look downright affordable.
>>107772177I should've bought shit in 2023. Fuck man.
>>107772158>Are you retarded by any chance?Yeah surely you are. The price hike is coming from the DRAM manufacturers whose main business in focused on making silicon dies, not some itty bitty server components.
don't fall for paid bot fear mongering threads, this usually happens when something is about to burst.
>>107772152No, there is no way AGI created by jeets and jews will end with anything but human extinction.Human extinction has a very low traditional market value.
>>107772121No, this is another item to help push people to the cloud that can only play PC games or some shit through under powered laptops via a subscription, assuming you do not have to pay a subscription for the under powered laptop as well.
>>107772107>>107772107AGI will be achieved through smart system design, not by throwing endless resources to LLMs.I bet we already have the hardware necessary for AGI, perhaps even at consumer level hardware.
why can't they just fleece google and facebook, they've got plenty of cash to burn, why do they gotta fleece us too
>>107772104Consumer motherboards are exactly that much too.Want to buy something with state of the art VRMs for gaming? Not cheap.
>>107772074I remember when people said Intel would never fall. RAM prices and GPU prices are going to go down eventually. They will not and cannot go up indefinitely. NOTHING goes up indefinitely.
>>107773684Yea, bro. GPU prices will go back to normal after the pandemic and the bitcoin craze.Any day now...
>>107773696GPU prices did go down after the Bitcoin craze was over, it's just Nvidia got on on another bubble.IN THE BUBBLE WE TRUST -Jensen Huang
>>107773684Yeah eventually they will go down. This eventually is forecasted to be a long time though, like 5 years. Doesn't matter if it stops eventually if you fucking die in the meantime
>>107773814It will go down within this decade for sure
>>107773623>muh VRMs for gamingAnon, the 9800X3D draws like 150W. I used to push more than that even with a trash-tier AM3-era board and it handled it just fine.
>>107772303>this is exactly how the world elite think and act as the world goes to shit
>>107772074whiskybros...
>>107773789No you dont get it retard. GPU prices have Been Constantly increasing since i started Building PCs in like 2007
People who waste money on ECC deserve what they get
>>1077736842 more years and Intel will be finished!! This time for real!
>>107772205Damn youre retarded and you can't read
bubble is going to pop. such a fake market.
>>107774797OP is a faggot, but so are you for not reading just a tiny bit further.
>>107775997Taking out most of the service economy with it. China laughing its ass off. USA gets hit with a massive tab that it cannot realistically paid off. This is all compounded with a laundry list of entitlements.
>>107772074I really don't get what the fuck is happening. >we can't do a better model? we will throw all the hardware of the world at it and produce an unfeasable amounts of electricity because we need it to run>almost every company like nvidia is jumping on this (dying!) train, fucking themselves up when OpenAI and related will pay the price for their inability to make a better model Is it simply rich people fucking with the poor until they can? Is it all a masquerade for killing home computing?
>>107772074It's a Free Market. If you don't like it then take a Risk and start a Business. Make memory for cheaper and see how that works out for you and your shareholders.
>>107774790>2007shut the fuck up bitch. of course they go up, inflation is built into our monetary system. they've been going up much more than inflation and even much more than proportional increases in manufacturing costs because of extreme nvidia jewery
>>107776188>If you don't like it then take a Risk and start a Business.Sure, I'll just take out a multi-billion dollar loan to set up DRAM production.
>>107776050Yeah honestly I want RAM manufactures to jack their prices so high that the AI cartel gets outpriced.
>>107776237Just make them on breadboards
>>107774790I'm pretty sure component prices bottomed out in 2010
>>107776188>just build a fab bromeanwhile the government gives your biggest compitors a trillion dollars it's magic free market
>>107772074LOLOL I already maxxxed out my Qubes OS laptop, 192GB DDR5!
>>107772074all that ram and AI is still the same retard.. if it was at least 200% better but it is not
>>107776188>shareholdersand there lies the problem. only focussed on maximizing profit at the cost of everything.the very same reason this ai bubble took off. generating fake gdp > accelerating the money printer > increasing inflation > removing purchasing power from peope > more and more become dependent on government&co. while using the AI to even worsen the surveillance and mine the human mind, people who honestly believe that AI nets something positive need a reality check.
>>107776216>calls me a bitch>agrees with meLiterally put a Bullet in ur head
>>107772107a computer cannot have conciousness to be able to understand anythingit follows a rule setyou will never see any fucking AGI in your entire life since you cannot put a soul into a computer
>>107773623>state of the art VRMsits a MEEEEEME, i have the worst motherboard possible (chepest) and then upgraded to 9950x3D and i though i will buy the newest motherboard with lastest chipset for it... but the fact is it just works great even on my cheap shit motherboard, even tuned the PBO2 hard and it all just works, ram overclocked from 6000mhz to 6400mhz with same timings.. it all just works, it seems like the expensive motherboards are scam, it cant run any way better than it is running now for me
>>107782208also a computer doesn't know what is true or not so AGI will never happen
>>107773684Say that to housing lmao. It used to be cheaper than food not that long ago and is now 50-70% of most people's income.
>>107777680you propped up the economy when it needed you the mostyou now deserve your reward. Godspeed anon
>>107782208>>107782427I actually think there might be ways to do that, but you won't be able to do so through mere tech. Tech can only create the material vessel.Hint: theurgy, telestike, PGM
>>107780188ur too dumb to understand rate of changesad!
>>107772143$4000 is barely a useable PC nowthe last PC I priced out a week ago, I got to 11k before realizing and just gave up.
>>107784305define usable PC
is there 0 competition in the RAM production industry? It's Samsung, Hynix and Micron right? Why doesn't one just make more and sell a fuckload of units?
>>107785334>Micron left the industry in December>Samsung and Hynix are SKfaggotsnvm this shit is fuckedworst korea strikes again
>>107772663The human brain is the closest thing to agi we have and it requires near 0 resources
>>107772104I find funny that, what could possibly pop the bubble was not OpenAI earnings but the dumb decision of buying all ram with money they don't have and fucking everyone else in the process. Mark my words, this dumb decision will make the bubble pop eventually
>>107785334>Why doesn't one just make more and sell a fuckload of units?Mods, ban this antisemite!
>>107772303You’re so right…
>>107772121lol. lmao even.
>>107785334Given the speed at which prices have spiked I wonder if we see new players enter the RAM market. That’d take years though. This seems to be like the toilet paper craze.
>>107772074Wait, so you're telling me server DRAM sticks were still cheap second hand?>>107772104Absolute fucking bullshit, RDIMM worked on regular desktop computers. It's just one extra channel.
>>107787283Wrong, RIMMs cannot be used on memory controllers tuned for UDIMMs and vice versa. You are confusing ECC with registered/buffered memory. You can use ECC UDIMMs on a memory controller/motherboard that does not support ECC. It will just operate like a normal non-ECC unit. You also put non-ECC memory into ECC capable memory controller/motherboard will not be able to use ECC mode.
>>107772074Just first everybody in those companies and hire the raspberry pi fabricators.Sit down with them, fund them well and get something working. The prices will drop and you will get rid of the leeches.Get a few of the old geniuses from the other company to help them. You have to put up with them, they will get you results but it will be a little slow at first, pay to remove the barriers which make them slow, it will save you alot of money.
Why am I helping corpos for free anonymously?Their job was to hire me at the price I am worth. Now look at them. Parasitic. Sucking up resources they don't deserve. Completely pathetic.
It will be ok, she will handle everything
>>107772074server means ECCthey are different kits
>>107772121Unfortunately, no. Not many software devs even consider optimization or making things efficient unless a big enough client / consumer complains.I work for a relatively big tech company and my computer struggles to run the product I work on. The older developers always tell me "get a better machine" or "get a mac next time"
>>107776237Nobody claimed the current way of implementing lithography is necessarily efficient, far from it. It's just the path we took but there are certainly much better ones overall which are also magnitudes cheaper
>>107772177>This is why you buy whatever hardware you need right the fuck now.No. The current hardware has been sabotaged to break in about a year. Buying now is retarded.Just buy old stuff from the used market.
>it requires near 0 resourcesThis nigga doesn't eat
>>107785334The problem is setting up fabrication. It takes awhile and by then the bubble might be dead once you're ready to start churning shit out.Then on top of that you have certain actors hoarding the actual material needed to make these chips.
>>107776165Nobody even cares about making a better model anymore. Say "AGI in 2 weeks", attract investors. Re-train a model for specific tests, show improvement in those specific tests, increase version number - attract investors. The real aim now is to shove what they already have into everything imaginable.
I'm safe, bought ram months before
>>107782291It's entirely based on wattage, maybe for AMD it's a meme but if you're running a high end shittel you better have good VRMs or you will literally be hard capped out of max performance
>>107772121You poor fags keep saying this. They wont. You are priced out of new games forever! HA HA HA!
