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>>107775829
I didn't know that was a feature at all. I've always been a CTRL+V person and boomers right click from what I've seen. The middle mouse button is awkward on most mice.

>>107775829
zoomers are destroying computing, more news at 11

>>107775829
desu the only times I used the middle click to paste feature were by accident...

>>107775829
Good. This should have happened a long time ago, and at the latest during the Wayland transition. It might be slightly useful if it actually pasted your clipboard contents rather than your last selected text but alas. Hopefully this also leads to autoscrolling being enabled by default.

>>107775829
middle click should be autoscroll, I have copy/paste/cut bound to other mouse buttons

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>>107775829
usecase for copy/paste?

>>107775829
im a zoomer and I use middle click all the time

>>107776059
Copy and pasting.

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>>107775829
I have been using a trackball like this for nearly thirty years and the middle click paste feature is second nature. I discovered it when trying to paste text into an xterm window.
i don't know why these people are so intent on destroying the personal computer but they are. oh well i suppose i can always just use old software until the say i die.

>>107775829
good. get rid of entirely; literally unix era bloat.
autoscroll is so much more useful in gui. the paste always pisses me off.

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>>107776120
Mine doesn't even has the middle button.

>>107776059
Why isn't he yelling in Arabic?

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>>107776200
I imagine you have better precision with that kind of trackball but i could never get used to it. Regardless I am happy to see another trackball user.

why is this a discussion? just change the setting if you care

>>107775829
we have a lot of people trying linux who just use it like windows, they don't care to learn the differences.
that or they're just very smart, i mean how do you "accidentally" click the mouse wheel?

p.s. both quoted texts are wrong about what it does, it does not dump the clipboard, it dumps the primary selection, which is not the same as the clipboard. primary selection contains what you last selected using the mouse regardless of if you put it in the clipboard

>>107776337
not* very smart

>>107775870
Give it go, middle click paste is comfy, faster/fewer inputs, and gives you a second clipboard instance
>>107776166
pleb you can already turn it off

>>107775829
I've never used it intentionally.

>>107775829
mmb paste is 10x more retarded than libinput natural scrolling not being default for touchpads
>t. proud x11 user

>>107775829
The GNOME foundation is such a fucking joke. A bunch of nocoders trying to reimplement shitty corporate software.

>>107775829
middle click paste was the single best feature I ever experienced when using loonix
of course they want to take it away, it's too convenient

>>107775829
i use it all the time how dare they!

>>107776296
>available
>opt-in
>deprecated
YOU ARE HERE
>removed

>>107775829
I've always hated middle click paste, the only thing it's done for me is accidentally insert both junk and sensitive information into a website. Luckily I caught it but that could've been bad.
Wasn't even a proper way to disable it on my setup at the time, I fucking hope that's improved in general since I last used linux.
Autoscroll and open in new tab are far more useful.

>>107779348
>you can already turn it off
Since when?
I looked everywhere for how to get rid of that godforsaken feature years ago and everyone said there was no way to disable it system wide (was using ubuntu/gnome)

>>107775829
most application don't support middle click scroll wheel thing. Firefox does chrome no. gtk also doesn't support it. The only thing they would use middle button for is therefore for a new tab which is retarded. Middle btn paste is the first thing people figure out about linux and is very useful.

>>107779365
i've only used it intentionally

wtf the middle click paste is the best feature and I always miss it when I have to use windows.
I hate gnome so fucking much.

>>107779980
sorry anon, it doesn't do what windows does so it has to go

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>>107775829
I knew it existed, but only ever done it by accident ... which is how I discovered it existed.

Use case? Outside of saving a tenth of a second? My hand is usually already on the keyboard when I'm cutting & pasting stuff.

>>107780209
gnome ai when?

>>107779661
Chrome doesn't? tf I was thinking of switching to Chrome

I can understand why it might be annoying in some cases, if you accidentally middle click to paste text into a chat box, then accidentally send it.

But outright disabling it? There aught to be a toggle option.

>>107776059
Next thing you'll know, it'll be "usecase for mouse?"

>>107779531
The irony is that because Wayland lacks protocols for global hotkeys (like push to talk) the compositor is forced to do everything and Control-C Control-V won't ever be universal on Linux unless they ditch Wayland for something less retarded.

I was born in 1988 and I prefer to use middle click for autoscroll thank you
I also have middle click pasted compromising things accidentally, and I find that I don't need to paste things so quickly that it's inconvenient to use the keyboard or a context menu to do it.

>>107780453
i haven't used windows in a very long time, so i'm not familiar with what they expect, but i've only used autoscroll in web browsers. i have my browser set up in linux to do autoscroll, but elsewhere i do sometimes use primary selection. the way people talk about it it seems other windows programs support autoscroll, i'm not sure if that's true but i can't say i've thought about wanting it in other programs
not sure why your birth year is relevant, but if it matters to you, i was born in 1990

>>107780514
Anything that shows pages and can scroll can autoscroll, not just browsers. If you use any sort of matrix client or discord, or IRC even, you might want to autoscroll for whatever reason. If you have middle click paste forced down your throat, you'll paste things you don't want everyone to see. Even when I don't have autoscroll in these applications, I'd rather middle click and do nothing than the wrong thing. And unfortunately for a good while there, there was no very simple and easy way to disable this behavior for all applications. I even had to run something like this:
https://github.com/milaq/XMousePasteBlock
because some programs just outright ignored my supposedly system-wide preference.
In fact I wouldn't want middle click paste gone if it wasn't so forceful in its approach.
I pointed out my birth year because it seems there's this belief that if you don't want this feature of linux you're some sort of zoomer.

>>107780453
>>107780590
i just use https://www.nongnu.org/autocutsel/ to sync both clipboards
basically ctrl+v and middle click is the same paste instead of being separated
this makes middle click to always have a purpose
not a lot of applications support autoscroll just primary on web browsers

if middle click paste is so great, why doesn't MS or Apple offer it in their OS?
checkmate atheists.

>>107780590
thinking about it, i think i use primary selection paste more than i use autoscroll. while i have autoscroll enabled in my browser, that was grandfathered in from way back before i owned a mouse that had a scroll wheel. that was the original intention behind autoscroll, as a faster way to scroll when mice didn't have a scroll wheel.
i first tried linux in 2004, and i've found primary selection paste quite useful. i could live without it sure, but what annoys me the most is seeing new users come in, get confused by a feature which has been there for /decades/ and push for its' removal simply because it's not what they're used to. i don't want linux to become windows, if i wanted that i'd just use windows. changing defaults isn't an issue for me, since linux has always been about choice, so as long as i still have the option i really couldn't care less what the default option is.

>>107780984
>i think i use primary selection paste more than i use autoscroll
I use it if I have to scroll more than a page or so, more than regular scrolling. Cuts down on RSI pain/risk, and having a smooth and precise speed control with the slightest movement is very nice.
I'm not against middle click paste existing as an option, but the fact that devs have dogmatically refused to allow disabling when it routinely causes issues turns many away from the whole idea.
For linux being all about choice, when new users come in and have reasonable preferences openly rejected as even an option because it doesn't match others' opinions, it makes the community look apathetic at best and hypocritical at worst. It was a point of friction for me when I started using linux, and still has soured my taste on middle click paste.

>nobody outside of a few fringe x11 year old lovers wants this behaviour
>we are even going to accommodate you by providing an option to retain this
>x11 year old lovers still take issue with this
love seeing tantrums from retards, keep it up!

>>107781195
to be fair, maybe i'd use it more if i didn't have a logitech mouse with a free-scrolling wheel, though i couldn't say for sure, since if i want to scroll that quickly, then i used to just use page up/down. autoscroll at high speed is unweildy.
at the end of the day, this shouldn't be about what's best for what, both can exist together.

to be clear, i'm not at all against the option to turn it off, i wasn't aware it was hard to turn off, because i haven't wanted to turn it off.

This is clearly an issue when 99% of the posters itt are talking about web browser and not about any other piece of software.
Just use a phone you don't deserve anything else.

>>107781249
it's only an issue for windows users, you hit middle mouse expecting windows behaviour, and bitch and moan when it's not windows behaviour

>>107775829
unironically based. the most retarded tradition to survive in any linux de

>>107775829
I didn't know about that
I know you can middle click to close tabs

>>107775829
jesus christ the unironic butthurt in the comments of that article is insane
for being "power users", acting like it's the end of the world when a single command re-enables it shows they were only posers to begin with

>>107781195
>For linux being all about choice, when new users come in and have reasonable preferences openly rejected as even an option because it doesn't match others' opinions, it makes the community look apathetic at best and hypocritical at worst.
You do have two groups of linux users, those that like the idea of introducing others to linux, and those who don't.
The ones who don't are usually the ones to push back against changes, the ones going against this sort of freedom by arguing that their choice has always been better, and the ones that demand users to adapt or fuck off. Those are likely not the same as people who argue that Linux does give you a lot of choice. But what you're mentioning happens fairly often in the form of "you don't need X" as though everything alternative is equivalent and just needs some learning. Sometimes the alternatives are not only quite different, they're just outright inconvenient or time wasting. Ask a GNOME user a few years ago how to do certain tasks and again, the answer will always be another question like "why do you want to do this" or something like "you can do X if you take 3 extra steps, now stop complaining".
Not Windows isn't supposed to be designed to follow the standards of Windows. But expecting everyone to stick to a new standard after several years of the same thing is moronic. I have 7 programs that work the same, the 8th one changes everything around, and the purpose isn't to make things easier sometimes, in fact that is very questionable. You start questioning it, and all you get is "skill issue" or the developers justify it with things that have little to do with a program being intuitive, like "this program is fast/free/powerful".

>>107775829
>The feature is not discoverable

I literally use this quick copy all the bloody time.

>>107775829
>No one knows about middle click to paste?
It's a deranged """feature""", one of the weirdest and dumbest linux-isms ever conceived. Truly baffling and should have been sent out to pasture 30 years ago.

>>107776064
Early Zoomer or late Zoomer? Liberal arts degree or high school dropout?

>>107781424
I find it funny that these people are the ones to usually complain about ducklings. These "open-minded" individuals really dislike having to learn that they have to enable something, they're being taken out to the cold. "Fucking windows users! They should go back!" I bet that's what they're thinking.

Fully in favor of this actually
It wouldn't be the first time I accidentally paste sensitive info where I shouldn't

>>107776120
>i don't know why these people are so intent on destroying the personal computer but they are
GNOME devs are genuine cocksuckers

>>107776064
Stop appropriating culture you little shit

>>107781451
>>107781424
Dumbass it's because the GNOME devs have a history of making a feature deprecated and then removing it altogether. They are genuine design nazis.

>>107775846
it's very useful because it uses a separate clipboard. So on Linux you get 2 clipboards by default, without needing a clipboard manager.

>feature has been used for decades
>gnome trannies will remove it on a whim because it reminds them of x11
Why is ebussy so hellbent on destroying linux?

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I've used middle click to paste only a handful of times.
I use it to scroll and open links in new tabs.

>>107781905
These two clipboards drive me nuts. The only time I need it is when text editing, and my editor can do this much better than my OS.
I get problems all the time where I have the data I need in the wrong clipboard and wrote scripts to mitigate this.

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This is a traditional Unix mouse. The middle button is indeed used to paste

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Good, can we finally get middle click scrolling instead?

>>107779551
>Wasn't even a proper way to disable it on my setup at the time, I fucking hope that's improved in general since I last used linux.
GNOME has a one-button disable but it's hidden in Tweaks. Plasma has a one-button disable front and center in the quick settings section. I seem to remember Xfce and Cinnamon making it easy too. Don't think anything else does.
>>107779661
Chrome does, it's just a hidden flag so you have to use a chrome.conf wrapper (just werks on Arch) or edit the .desktop file (preferably after copying it to your ~/.local). --enable-features=MiddleClickAutoscroll. It's actually better than what Firefox does since it uses your mouse cursors properly instead of that ugly translucent circle. Although I'd still hesitate to use Chrome on Linux, for one you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get hardware accelerated video decoding, for two the UI has been too big since the 2023 UI refresh. I can't figure out why this happens but all the menus and buttons are bigger than on Windows and Mac.
>>107781256
What are you throwing a fit about? That's the only program other than your password manager that handles sensitive information and also usually the only program that supports autoscrolling. It's natural.

>>107775829
I use it all the time, but as usual the faggot devs don't use or don't like something and they think their opinion applies universally. See also windowshading by double clicking titlebars (hell those fags don't even want you to have titlebars at all!).

Shit that has worked perfectly fine for 30+ years and they want to throw it away just because it's not modern. And maybe no one ever talks about it because it's a basic default feature that just works?? What the fuck is there to talk about?

>>107775829
About fucking time.
I use scroll wheel click for auto scroll.

>ebussy is auto scroll using faggot
future of gnome looks grim

>>107775829
It's one of the best features of Linux.

i like middle click pasting but sometimes i copy something in my browser and then i middle click in my terminal and it doesn't paste the thing i just copied. i don't really know how the x11 clipboard works

>>107782978
There are two clipboard buffers, one for ctrl-c/ctrl-v, the other one is for selecting text and pasting with middle mouse button.

>>107775870
This. Any other case where it isn't a text box it's just a faster mouse-scroll. It's an awkward function that has no "usecase?".meme function for what it's doing in the text-box.

Anyone sane is already CTRL+V or doing the awkward right-click/ctrl+left-click->paste function.

>>107776059
Making pasta.

>>107783003
oh ok. my terminal (st) immediately pastes the text when i middle click a selection so i think the suckless devs didn't properly support it

>>107783049
That's literally exactly what's supposed to happen.

>>107783121
well i don't like it. if i want to copy something from my terminal to paste into another program then i don't want it to immediately fill the command line in

>>107775829
Can these dumbasses stop progressing off a cliff for a week?

>>107775829
I don't really use this feature, but it existing never bothered me. No idea how you would accidentally hit middle click.

>>107782614
>GNOME has a one-button disable but it's hidden in Tweaks
When was it added?

>>107775829
I use middle click to scroll because my mouse wheel doesn't work 100% correctly

>>107783324
buy a new mouse

>>107783359
I've been meaning to but what if the new mouse also has a shit scroll wheel

>>107783384
then fix it, you do know how to solder, right?

middle click to paste always screws up for me so I never use it. low key I feel like its a feature designed to break your mouse over time. like how pressing l3 to sprint fucks up analog sticks faster.

>>107783396
I don't know how to solder I'm a fucking useless human being

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i do know but it fucking annoyed me the entire time i used gnome, fucking good riddance

>>107783459
oh yeah for context i use middle click to scroll instead of the mouse wheel sometimes

autoscroll fucking sucks it feels like total shit to use. feels like steering a fucking boat or something.

>>107775829
I never liked the middle click to paste. I like using it to needlessly scroll through stuff. That's why I always revert to windows.

>>107783487
there were times where my scroll wheel fucked up, it was a godsend, thankfully my scroll wheel doesn't fuck up as much

>>107783196
Then don't middle click. It's already copied when you select it. Hello????

>>107783523
gnome insists upon itself, you have to access a separate configuration menu which doesn't come with gnome by default just to change a few binds, and i don't even know if there is a bind that let you disable middle click to paste, i don't remember how to change gnome settings anymore i've been using kde for a while

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>>107783538
>It's already copied when you select it

>>107783546
hell no other desktop environment is like that as far as i recall

>>107775829
literally linux's best feature that I use all the time
this shit is literally what trips me up the most by far when using Windows, the lack of middle-click paste

>>107775829
>middle click to paste?
this is what linux focuses on instead of things like making photoshop work

>>107783601
Why would you use Photoshop when Krita exists?
Also isn't it on the Adobe team to make their product work on Linux?

>>107783601
you have a particularly flawed perception of how foss developers act, they're not exactly swiss army knives

>>107783538
>It's already copied when you select it.
That sounds like a bad design and potential security problem.

>>107783861
if you are paranoid then you should already be clearing clipboard after working with sensitive data

>>107783633
Krita is barely usable for drawing, freetards will never understand needing shit to work

>>107783003
There are 12 pasteable buffers in xorg.
The clipboard - obvious.
The primary - highlighted selections.
The secondary - abandoned but accessible via xclip.
Cut buffer 0-7 - selections set as insecure readable properties on the xorg root window by vim and some terminals and xtoolkit apps. Serious privacy and security risk that most people don't know about.

It's up to the program/toolkit to respect any of these. Although it was once the norm to paste primary on shift+insert, GTK usually ignores that keybind or pastes the clipboard instead.

>>107784038
plus the drag-and-drop buffer

Makes sense, should be Command+V by default.

>>107784038
Windows pastes clipboard with shift+insert too, or at least used to ages ago when I was using it.

I'm more of a ctrl-insert shift-insert type of guy.

>>107784104
Wasn't that the only way to copy and paste in most DOS text editors?

>>107783861
It is. That's why Firefox is getting rid of it.

>>107784174
edit.com and quickbasic iirc

>>107775868
cram your mouse up your ass and click shutdown computer, faggot. I'm making great software.

>>107784038
I like the idea of having multiple clipboard buffers but I do not like the idea of things going into those buffers automatically.
All of Linux is too ad-hoc, even moreso than Windows.

>>107784569
Wayland doesn't have this problem.

>>107775829
They hate getting middle finger from users
I love giving it to them

>middle click on a link
>open in new tab
>middle click on blank space
>starts a scroll operation
Where the fuck has middle click ever been a paste?

>>107775829
>People do something other than ctrl+(shift)+c/ctrl+(shift)+v ????

>>107784723
anywhere you can type text

>>107784723
The entirety of X11, always. Whenever you middle click to open a link or autoscroll the browser and website get to see your clipboard contents. When you middle click to close a tab the browser gets to see your clipboard contents. Wayland emulates this behavior too. Linux is malware.

>>107784834
when you log into websites the browser sees your logins and passwords, crazy, huh?

>>107784955
You know damn well that is not comparable.

>>107775829
The middle click paste wouldn't be that big of a problem if it was easily turned off, and if selecting text didn't automatically copy it. I've wasted hours trying to find a way to change this personally.

>>107784998
of course it's comparable because
>website get to see your clipboard contents
is not true, website can only see the primary clipboard contents when you middle click inside of a text box and the browser inserts the contents into it

>>107785108
That's not true. It gets sent regardless. To prove this to yourself, get thisisunsafe into your selection clipboard and then middle click on a website with an HSTS error in chrome

>>107785133
>chrome
I don't have non-free software on my pc

>>107775829
>be right-handed
>use mouse with left hand
>can keep pen in right-hand at all times and take handwritten notes easily
>middle finger is solely dedicated to left click
>forefinger is permanently on the wheel
>extra fast scrolling and middle click
why haven't you taken the lefthandmousemaxxpill yet, /g/?

>>107785912
I'm left handed

>>107775829
wait that means they're gonna let it shittify and break? fuck them if that's the case

>>107785921
reverse your button settings then and you'll get the same advantages

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>>107775846
So no risk to accidentally press it.

>>107782390
Can you give one example where having a middle click pasting text caused you trouble, and how your scripts fix that?

>>107776200
shit looks like a vibrator

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>>107775829
Did you know in Windows you can press WinKey + . to get an emoji browser?

>>107786911
>Can you give one example where having a middle click pasting text caused you trouble, and how your scripts fix that?
the problem isn't middleclick pasting (the programs where I care about scrolling with middle mouse mostly already do this by default), but other programs defaulting to the primary selection. i.e. xclip, and maybe more importantly the urxvt perl script for selecting text and URLs which I had to patch

>>107788028
kde too

>>107781442
it's not a "linux-ism", it's something x11 does and x11 predates linux

>>107783583
sorry anon, middle click being paste and not auto scroll is tripping up windows users so it has to be removed from linux

>>107789815
autoscroll is a setting you can enable on firefox, you can literally have both
unless you wanna autoscroll on a textbox, but when would this ever happen?

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>>107789831
yea, i already do that

>>107781905
I just tried it and middle click and ctrl-v paste the same text

>>107790054
that's likely because you selected the text, hit ctrl+c, then pasted both
try selecting text, hit ctrl+c, then select some other text, and see what gets pasted from both

>>107790118
You're right.

>>107789831
>but when would this ever happen
Many sites (and other programs) automatically respond to paste no matter what is clicked/selected. Chat platforms are particularly prone to this.
All it takes to alleviate all the issues is a fucking setting to turn middle click paste off. It's not difficult, and should not have taken decades to get to this point.

>>107775829
>Jordan Petridis
how am I not surprised

>>107775829
Does this work on windows?

>>107775829
Fucking finally.
Hijacking one of the three most critical inputs for a redundant and conflicting function, without a way to disable it, is and always has been retarded.

>>107779633
Please share how to turn this off with me. I've wasted hours trying to change it.

>>107791337
nta but it's literally first thing you see on tweaks on gnome

>>107789035
>xclip
>urxvt perl script
Fine, sounds like you'd be capable of altering things to suit your workflow either way.
These are not things that a regular Linux user would ever touch or encounter unintentionally, and the current state of affairs works very well and stays out of the way for those who aren't interested in middle click pasting.

>>107791065
>Many sites (and other programs) automatically respond to paste no matter what is clicked/selected.
I have never seen a situation where this would cause an issue. If the website acts that way then you avoid middle clicking, it's as simple as that.
As for programs, I doubt there exists one, need an example there.

>>107791281
>redundant
What is the primary way to accomplish that, then?
>conflicting
With what? Show an example.
It's not like middle click is reserved for pasting the last selection, it is available for programs to use as they wish.

>>107776296
GNOMED

>>107775829
gnome doing something good for once

>>107775870
Same. Obviously disabling this BY DEFAULT is a good thing, people should be able to enable it easily without running to about:config though.

>>107776035
>middle click should be autoscroll
This.

>>107775829
>No one knows about middle click to paste?
I do and middle click paste is annoying, particularly in IDEs where I use middle click to go to the symbol definition (coming from Windows)

>>107793944
>microsoft jeets ruining linux... again

>>107775829
>No one knows about middle click to paste?
I do and middle click paste is one of the best things about the Linux desktop

>>107794048
>linux troons using retarded shortcuts... still

>>107794066
>coming from an operating system with a keyboard shortcut to open LinkedIn in Microsoft Edge

>>107794048
yeah yeah, honestly I don't really care about middle click paste as long as I can disable it

>>107794071
That has nothing to do with copy/paste shortcuts

>>107780453
>I was born in 1988 and I prefer to use middle click for autoscroll thank you
can use both at same time just fine
maybe not on gnome idk, gnome is retarded

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>>107776059
Do not show any dissent ever again.

>>107796682
use case for tracking an issue in the issue tracker?

I'm just happy more people are coming around to the idea that some X11 things are fucking stupid. It shouldn't be "find this obscure setting to disable middle-click paste," it should be "find this obscure setting to enable middle-click paste, because most people don't want it."

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>>107782576
THIS.
At least SOME cultured gentlemen here.

>>107782576
>>107797199
see >>107789892

>>107797199
Stop being a retard. You can have both.

>>107775829
Et tu, Mozilla? It's on brand for GNOME to remove features and optimize for users who are mentally retarded, but I'm really disappointed that Mozilla has ever considered this. It's a great feature I use all the time.

>>107775884
It's so useful precisely because it lets you effectively have two clipboards.

>>107775829
(1) due to poetteringware no one learns anything
(2) because no one learns anything theres no point in maintaining stable interfaces

>>107779475
>nocoders trying to reimplement shitty corporate software
gnome 2 was neat and gtk3 was brilliant. then miguel left and the project got taken over by visionaries

>>107780441
>Wayland lacks protocols for global hotkeys (like push to talk) the compositor is forced to do everything and Control-C Control-V won't ever be universal on Linux unless they ditch Wayland
systemd-graphicsd

>>107782390
Just learn to use the feature, it's really convenient when you do. I use the main clipboard when programming and middle mouse paste lets me quickly put something into a chat or a web form without losing the piece of code in my clipboard. It's also very convenient when pasting lots of information from a document into a form, much better than the context menu or C-c C-v.

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>>107775829
I use middle click, but I use ssh and screen for 10h daily. At home, I do everything but browsing internet from terminal.

I'm going to be upset about that change

>>107784834
>Whenever you middle click to open a link or autoscroll the ... website get to see your clipboard contents
Post proof (JSFiddle).

>>107797458
my current habits came from years of navigating the computer with a broken middle mouse button. Once my current one break, I also will not fix it

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Why is middle click paste such dogshit on vim?

>>107791192
No, it has never worked on Windows. Windows only has a single clipboard.

>>107775829
Vim permanently killed my appetite for shortcuts that are not explicitly stated.

>>107797199
middle click paste is compatible with middle click scroll, moron

>>107797558
Why endure broken hardware for years rather than fix or replace it immediately? Last time my mouse broke, I simply got up, went to the computer store down the road, and bought a new one.

>>107775829
Good riddance.

>>107797648
I was poor and lazy at the time. Now I fell for the keyboard navigation meme and basically almost never use the mouse, so it's not worth to replace. The only time I use the mouse is for badly designed guis or websites.

>>107797570
let middle click paste die. use "+

>>107797685
I program exclusively using the keyboard too, but web browsing is kind of a big use case and I use the mouse there. Used to have a tricked out Pentadactyl config, did literally everything with the mouse, but then it broke and I couldn't be bothered to recreate it. A working man only has room for so many Emacsen in his life. I already maintain my Emacs config and custom autismwm setup, so I economize on the browser and use it with few customizations.

>>107797755
vimium exists

>>107797755
>A working man only has room for so many Emacsen in his life
I'm still in that phase in my life where I have more time than money
I do wonder how I'll change once that reverses
>>107797800
>vimium
you should try it, the defaults are already very good. I only carry around 3 keymaps and the search engine configuration for whatever invidious instance currently works
the keymaps are optional, swapping J and K because that was the old default and "down" being "forward" seems more logical to me, but of course this confuses normies who just remember j being to left so it should go to the leftward tab

map J nextTab 
map K previousTab
map ' Marks.activateGotoMode

>>107797832
ah and obviously you want to stop sites from stealing focus and set ctrl+f to the regex engine, but after that it's almost as good as qutebrowser for most of the web but with adblock support

>>107797800
Yeah I'm aware of Vimium, but I can't be bothered anymore, you know? I customize a few programs heavily but for the rest, I just pick software that has default settings closest to what I want and I refrain from changing it too much. It's too much of a hassle to customize everything to my taste, plus I think that the payoff for customizing web browsing is smaller than for text editing because websites are a lot more graphical and interactive than code, so the mouse works pretty well for them.

>>107797832
assuming you are on firefox, do you use vimium or vimium c? I use vimium myself and the only thing that I don't like about it is that I have to give almost every permission imaginable to this addon.

>>107775829
Having 2 different clipboards without synchronization is a problem most of the time.

>>107797832
>I'm still in that phase in my life where I have more time than money
>I do wonder how I'll change once that reverses
You keep the configs and the knowledge but you get a lot more selective with your tinkering. Some anons like to say that tinkering is for NEETs and all employed people use default settings. That's bullshit contrarianism, if they looked inside tech companies they would see quite a few setups they call "tinkertranny". If you're at a small company or a tech company, you'll have no problem bringing your supervillain ergo keyboard to work, probably your thousands of lines of zsh and Emacs config, maybe your i3 config. It's really only banks, defense, and some government jobs where you won't be allowed to bring anything.
The desire to spend many hours tinkering fades with time, though. It's only partially due to being employed. I used to customize every tiniest thing to my liking, I probably had more than 20k lines of config taken together. Within a couple years, a redesign of Firefox internals nuked most of my browsing setup, switching phones nuked my custom ROM Android setup, I realized I don't do anything with mpd that I couldn't do with a mainstream music player, and I stopped caring about desktop aesthetics entirely. So last time I started a new job, I only brought my zsh, Emacs, and i3 configs plus a few scripts. My zsh plugins are out of date, my Emacs setup has some minor visual glitches and uses a few packages that have superior alternatives these days, I decided I don't care. I don't regret the time I spent tinkering when I was a college student though, I learned a lot about what customizations matter to me and how Linux systems are put together.

>>107797501
>I'm going to be upset about that change
It's simply a changed default. You will still have the functionality.