>>107777103
cont.

>terminal
Most of the time you don't have to use the terminal at all, since most programs have a GUI option available. And when you do have to use it, it's for editing some text file or moving files around as some sort of troubleshooting, so it's not some extremely difficult task like writing your own kernel patch or something. Nobody is forcing you to use the terminal, but it's a nice tool to have. Either way, its usage is not limited to Linux, as Windows users do it sometimes as well for similar reasons and I never see them complaining about it.

>tinkering
Almost every distribution out there offers isos with graphical installers, not more difficult to use than a program installation wizard, some even pre-configure your environment for you. Most of the mainstream ones work ootb already, so there's no need for tinkering (unless you're autistic and want to "rice" your setup).

>>107777117
cont.

There are valid reasons to tinker with your system, like fixing some issue you encountered, but since this is pretty subjective I can't say much other than admiting Linux is not perfect. However, Windows isn't either, and yet using things like scripts or third-party tools to "fix" or patch Windows is seen as cool or a necessity, even if they count as tinkering too. Having to create a custom iso just to install your OS due to arbitrary reasons is something your average Joe shouldn't be doign to begin with, and yet Windows is still perceived as the OS that "just works".

>instability
Again, this is a field where Windows doesn't shine either, I don't think I even need to explain it to you. As for Linux, I feel this is also subjective. I've used Arch Linux and derivatives for years and only on a couple of occasions have I experienced real breakage (e.g. that weird issue with ffmpeg and Firefox from some months ago), issues that are easily fixable or even avoidable.

>>107777127
cont.

But then you see people claiming their Ubuntu installation made mustard gas while sleeping and burned their motherboards. I'm not saying problems never occur, but people treat Linux as some kind of time bomb just waiting to explode, when that's not the case at all. Thanks to btrfs snapshotting, A/B partitioning, atomic updates and immutable systems I think Linux is already retard-proof enough for Timmy to daily-drive.

>software
This is the only valid reason I can see for someone to prefer using Windows, or even MacOS. Some pieces of software are simply not available on Linux (and probably never will), and/or the alternatives simply suck, so it's perfectly reasonable to avoid Linux if your work relies on such specific programs. However, for most people this isn't an issue. Basic things like internet browsing, file administration and even playing vidya are doable on Linux and have been so for years at this point, so for most normalfags Linux should be a solid and viable alternative.

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>>107777137
So what are your thoughts? I think another issue is the fact Linux isn't being presented as an option at all. All computers come with Windows pre-installed and outside of gaming Linux isn't discussed a lot, but I think this might change in the following years due to Microsoft recent shenanigans.

>>107777103
Because it doesn't work.
>Why it doesn't work?
Because there's not money in desktop Linux, so no one serious gets involved to solve its many issues.
/thread

>>107777103
>I'll like to do an honest discussion
not happening in the catalog but have a bump for wall of text
>terminal
ill let you in on a secret
CLI and GUI are similarly if not identically hard to use
the difference is that you were groomed since your childhood by the corpos into their ecosystem which is 99% GUI
you simply dont remember all these videos you watched about "hidden windows settings" or "optimizing windows for gaming performance"
or all these times you were show/told by someone where to find relevant software button

CLI commands follow natural language structure of sunject-verb-object, its CLI that is intuitive and not GUI
there is no real life physical phenomenon where you would "close" something by physically pressing on a big red cross

and if you want a proof of all that just remember that your parents/grandparents were using DOS and various UNIXes to do their jobs just fine while right now they cant even open a fucking browser on their phones

>>107777103
Too many distros to choose from and when you ask the community they will only tell you their distro is the better choice without giving a proper explanation as to what makes their distro more special or different, and it doesn’t stop there once you take the first and choose a distro you will see the same behaviour when choosing a DE or terminal, shell etc.

The best solution is to stop listening to these tranies and just any distro you like and stick to it

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Because they're stupid.

I first tried linux in 1999. I used enlightenment and windowmaker / gnustep. It was janky. Configuring sound (OSS, ESD, and alsa) were a pain. Only one program could play sound.

I last tried linux a few years ago. Had problems with HD/4K netflix. Also could not get libinput mouse curves to work with KDE wayland.

Given how KDE was originally designed to look and feel like windows, and now in 2025 it still can't emulate windows' mouse acceleration, this is an enormous disappointment.

I gave up on linux desktop forever because 1) I run WSL2 in windows 10, 2) my fucking mouse feels right now, 3) wayland, snaps, different versions of libc, it's all bullshit and after 25 years I can see it's never going to get anywhere. The only apps that will probably still work reliably in 10 years are win32 apps through WINE.

Microsoft embraced and extended in the last 25 years, while Linux stuck its fingers up its ass, smelled it, and called it wayland.

>>107777956
>be (You)
>make up retarded fantasies because you're a gay nigger

>>107777103
most people are completely tech illiterate, OP
i haven't needed to tinker with anything in the past 10 years of using linux, so stable it's boring
but most people install meme spin-off distros or poorly supported/underdeveloped/unreliable software and then squeal and blame linux when things go wrong, also there's lots of people that just parrot other people's bad beginner experiences which creates echo chambers
sad to say but people are, in fact, just retarded

>>107777956
kek, there's no way you've actually used linux

>>107777103
Bunch of edge cases like the 8 extra steps needed to add a non-steam game to steam using proton. You can't just add the shit like you can on windows. Have to use the right version of steam, right version of proton, hunt through 8 million folders. Mouse accel still sucks under KDE. Linux software devs barely use they computer compared to an average windows poweruser. Half the shit in the unix haters handbook is still there.

with advent of AI there should be a ton of vibecoded line of business applications that will proper lunix to the forefront of usability with more and more businesses switching to lunix in glorious defiance of normal windows application
somehow lunix is still struggling with drivers and basic shit though, not sure why

>>107777103
1. it needs to be brain dead easy to install, much easier than it already is.
2. GUI > everything else.
3. software dependencies, a good chunk of professional software does not work on Linux.
4. brain dead easy solution to swap from windows to Linux.

Reason #1 for casual use is that the laptop from the store doesn't come installed with it.
Reason #1 for business use is existing software.

Now as for the actual reasons why I don't use GNU/Linux anywhere (including my servers) is that it's not an operating system. Linux is the kernel that I don't have much problems with. The userland is GNU. The userland fucking sucks.
Systemd sucks. A lot of software expects that parasite to be on your system though.
X Window System is a piece of shit. Wayland is a fucking horror show, managing to suck even harder than X11.
ext4 is OK but zfs absolutely mogs it.
Audio is a fucking freak show circus.
GTK is ass.
All the available desktop environments fucking suck. Gnome is a complete fucking joke. KDE just keeps krashing despite all the claims it doesn't anymore. Xfce is crusty as fuck. Lxqt is shit. Any of those desktop environments except KDE must be extensively riced before using them doesn't feel unhygienic like digging a cows ass.
Window managers can be somewhat tolerable but you're left with a complete fucking Prime Ricefest piecing together a somewhat operable DE yourself from stinky fucking GNUware.

GNU/Linux is therefore left to be a marginally better option for desktop than Windows and that's fucking pathetic. MacOS is the only good existing desktop operating system.

While it's not the topic of the thread *BSD everything GNU/Linux is supposed to be on the servers but so much better it keeps amazing me why GNU/Linux is the popular choice, as long as the hardware is supported by *BSD.

>>107777117
I'm sorry but you're wrong about the terminal thing. I switched to linux awhile ago, started with ubuntu, then lmde, then settled on cachyos. While troubleshooting I would do what any rational person does and google my problem, and unfortunately 90% of the time the only working solution I could find online was
>just copy and paste this into the terminal
Which usually works and isn't a big deal for me because I actually want to learn to use the terminal, but Joe Schmoe has no idea what those commands do, doesn't want to spend time learning what they do, and is just hoping he's not about to give himself a virus. Otherwise I agree that software availability is the only other major problem.

>>107777103
>Why they don't like it
For me it's simple. The users. Quite literally the vegans and Jehovas of the computer world.
The more someone tries to force feed me something, the more I hate it and will avoid it.
And Linux users are THE biggest preachers I have ever seen. Every single time I see a "lol use Linux" comment, my hatred for Linux grows larger to the point where I rather deal with Windows bullshit than join the Linux crowd of retards.

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>>107777103
>curious about linux
>decide to try it on my old gaming rig I no longer use
>go onto various forums to read up about it
>decide to ask around about distros
>"use this one"
>ok, I try that one, run into some issues and ask for help
>"broo fucking retard, why are you using xxx, use this distro bro it's better"
>ok... try that one instead, run into issues, ask again
>"brooooooo fucking retard don't use that distro, use this one lol lol"
>.....
>run into different issue, ask for help
>"lol retard, just do this (writes out the most complicated fucking solution ever with 94 steps) git good"

That's why I gave up on it. Most toxic user base in existance.

>>107777103
if there was a linux hardware equivalent to silicon macs id use it, and i'd assume normalfags would wanna use it as well. that's something i dont get, like, mac faggotry was the most successful company until the ai stuff and thus why don't the linux fags take note and develop something that people would want to use, and can use intuitively.

im assuming most of ur main arguments would be relevant for linux on arm based on my experience of using a pinebook pro for five years. even while i was using it primarily as a typewriter (i'd charge once in a blue moon relative to anything else) i still ran into those issues
but despite that (software and hardware qc issues,) it provided a neat brief glimpse of a future of what it could be like: basically an air with arch

>>107779225
They have developed something people want to use, it's called the steam deck. Massively successful.
I bet the gabecube is going to be a success as well. Kinda a default option for people who don't really know hardware and think putting the legos together is scary.
Guess what, that's going to run Linux as well.

RMS once said Linux was not portable
Today, he might be right

>>107779278
That's hilarious given the the most common consumer OS is Linux, people just don't correlate Android with Linux.
Linux works fine for the average person so long as there's a big company pouring resources into making it work, just like every other consumer OS.

>>107777103
I have lots of problems, I'm afraid to break something. But I HAVE to use it. Windows and MacOS are spyware, I'm using Linux Mint, there are things that don't work, but it works good enough for everything I do.
>Mouse software
where is my ghub? i'm using solaar now it werks but has less options, but the cool thing is, it shows a battery icon on the bottom.
>Cheat Engine
I don't know how to use that on troonix
>other stores than steam
that was really frustrating, but I found heroic games launcher which has epic games and gog in it, werks pretty well.
>League of legends / fortnite
I can't play those shit games anymore. I like them with friends but I just have to accept that they are spyware and the linux kernel doesn't allow deep access.
>where is crystal disk info?
this is shit.
>my thoughts
the system is cool, fast, I feel like I'm learning something, my shit games werk, except the kernel malware ones. I found a cool app called KDE Connect which is perfect and yes, shitposting is great I'm using Zen browser and Brave. I never had to use the terminal

>>107777103
Paradoxically I think linux is by far the best choice for 3iq retards who are barely capable of using email and 90% of their computer usage is through Chrome. They will have no end of pain on Winblows while on Linux they’ll have an OS that gets out of their way and doesn’t malvertise at them and remove all their files to onedrive or whatever.

If you’re moderately technologically capable you’ll spend a lot of time on bullshit because linux a bitch and if you’re a nerd then the OS doesn’t really matter

>>107777956
>>5 different ways to install an app and they all suck except for 1
-Microsoft Store (Linux Flatpak/Snap)
-Winget (Linux apt/dnf/pacman)
-.exe (.deb/.rpm)
-portable.exe (appimage)
>stop lying, troon.

>>107777103
The simple fact is (in my experience as a tech salesman for the last 22 years) that 99.9% of people want plug & play.
Doesn't matter what it is.
>bring home new product
>plug it in
>sign in, start using it
The moment this isn't the case, people aren't interested.
If people could go into a store and buy a laptop/desktop with a functioning and already working Linux distro, install all programs they need, play Fortnite etc as easy as they can on a windows machine then it would sell.
But that's not the case.

>>107779321
Similar experience, even including ghub lol
shit works, ecen fairly well, but it’s hardly seamless and there are big gaps in hardware - such as mouse configurator, autohotkey, mp3 tagging. nvidia driver situation isn’t as bad as the average gtard says but framegen is oddly finicky (upscaling is fine) and the 1% lows are worse on winblows. Heroic is good but it took me a while before I understood how to work with it, especially when installing mods, adding environmental variables and the like.
One big downside is intermittent display flicker, that just seems to happen semi randomly. Too high fps in game a? Flicker. Too low fps in game b? Flicker. Running software c in the background? Flicker, but only sometimes. It’s not a big issue but it keeps happening and I’m sick of it because it seems unsolvable.

I managed to switch to fedora kde for 85% of my usage but the assumption that I’ll be able to disconnect the second ssd with winblows definitely won’t come true

>>107779390
I guess that would be Steam Deck/Machine? There are a lot of people buying a mac, knowing that they can't play Fortnite. Linux can play much more games than MacOS, sure gaming is not all and MacOS is very plug n play friendly, but still.

>>107777103
It's a pain in the ass. People just want shit to work. It's really not that complicated.
>ah man but you CAN game u just gotta get flathub, if it's supported, then u gotta get bottles flatpack, and youre gonna need these dependencies to make it easier, and then see you install your game or launcher from within this bottle and..
yeah no one gives a fuck, they just want shit to work.

>>107779411
Windows/Mac have always been two different crowds but in the end it's the same. Simplicity of use. You buy it, you use it.
I do have hope for the Gabecube. I am not against Linux, I want it to succeed. If the Steam Machine becomes popular and actually sells then perhaps it will open up a new market for ready-to-use Linux machines but I still don't see it happening anytime soon.
Sure the "I hate windows" crowd exists but in reality it's a very small (very loud) group compared to the average users who don't even know what is going on.

Like today if I had a Linux ready pc in the store to sell and asked the customers "do you want this Linux pc instead of Windows?" I would get a blank stare in return followed by another Windows pc sale. Because the average person doesn't even know what Linux is.

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>>107777956
>20 year old programs work fine
Riiiight.

>all linux distros are made by literally insane communists/trannies
>unix file system is terrible and should die

>>107779749
Nah, autists.
But then again, so was NT. Ever wondered why NVMes don't reach nearly the speeds they should on either system?

>>107777117
>And when you do have to use it
you already lost
windows and mac users never have to use it

>>107779797
Alright then, go edit the registry manually. Me, I just copy+paste my instructions and fix all sorts of shit.

>>107777103
The widespread use of windows is one domain in which I do buy the argument that there's just a lot of inertia
There's decades of software and services that have been built to work on windows machines that are being used by non technical users, the breadth of it simply does not exist for Linux

>>107779300
This is why I'm glad that valve is taking an interest in a Linux desktop, the Linux kernel has good governance, or at least it certainly does compared to what passes for governance of desktop Linux

>>107780041
Yep, it's a good OS. There's a reason why it dominates for every use case that doesn't have a kinda garbage OSS DE slapped on top.
You've just got insane people like the GNOME foundation and distro maintainers fucking it up for Joe blow the average user.

>>107777103
I think the terminal is scary to normalfags because it's a blank canvas and you have to be the one deciding what to type, it may be overwhelming when compared to GUI tools where one tool is restricted to one program and the additional options sit somewhere as a checkbox. To be desu, LLMs present the same canvas so normalfags may just be retarded, have a low tolerance for frustration and resist change if the status quo doesn't feel as bad as it was yesterday, see region beta paradox (even though arguably it's easier to use natural language in case of the former). The worst is that not only they are tech illiterate, but they refuse to learn even though they only use computers for the web browser. Yes, it would be nice if more people used Linux, but it only matters if they use/make software.
When I started using Mint, it was rough at first, but as time passed, it grew up to be so comfy and the bullshit I have to deal with is trivial compared to windows. I don't understand retards that say it doesn't work, most of the time you'll find a solution cause a guy ran into the same edge case as you 15 years ago and all it takes is copy pasting something into the terminal to fix it.

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I tried to install openSUSE Leap 16.0 the other day and the installer, a browser application written in React, kept crashing a few seconds after opening the menu. I couldn't install it.
I switched to installing Tumbleweed, and succeeded; but only one of my two monitors would work and trying to install a software update results in a kernel panic.
As much as I hate Windows 11, I never had any such problems.

>>107777831
posts like yours always make me pause, because there's clearly a desire to move away from windows, while also demonstrating that any resistance pushes you right back to windows, no matter how slight.

such posts i can only imagine are from people who are fed up with windows, but aren't yet willing to admit that, and are just hoping linux becomes exactly what they're looking for, somehow

>>107777103
Using the term "Linux" to refer to anything other than the kernel used by an OS used in many appliances, phones, servers and other devices in the world is already problematic. That term was made popular by the same people who made the term "open-source" popular. What you are looking for is why freedom and self ownership of your devices and software through free/libre licenses isn't more popular with normal people. And a large part of the answer lies in the addressed issue itself. Nobody knows their freedom is taken away at every opportunity and if people do know they think it's to difficult to replace it with freedom respecting software and devices, and that is true for most people.

The solution is more easy freedom respecting solutions for the general public that is available preinstalled on devices sold at your every day electronics store.

>>107782360
I'm actually fed up with MICROSOFT more than windows. If that makes sense. I hate the evil corporation, the monopoly, the psycopathy and hypocrisy of bill gates, but the actual OS is superior to linux, and no hoping will change that.

>>107777103
Linux is terrible for most "normies."
All the arguments against it are true. Microsoft has worked hard to try and get quality parity with Linux + Userland since Windows 8, but Linux still sucks in general, it's even worse now for the desktop.

>>107782439
Is it 1998 again? You are just rehashing 90's shitlib tech seething. Greed is one of the deadly sins, not the only one.

>>107782463
normies just user their browser and pretty much nothing else

normies happily use Linux on their chromebooks

>>107782481
You're right, but the type of people like OP who legitimately like the component and tinker nature of Linux tend to say Chrome OS "doesn't count," let alone android.

>>107782434
Stallman is and was retarded on property rights versus speech.
GPL is not free speech, but he still thinks so. Permissive licenses are free speech.

I've been aware of Linux for a long while but I tried it first while in community college learning about operating systems and was very curious and had plenty of time to mess around. Been into computer and Windows was all I ever used and I stuck around with Mint for at least half a year and it great. Most of everything I ever needed worked or could be tinkered into working (for my use anyway).
I dropped back into Winblows just because I got a job and most of the time you just want everything to work when you come home and sit at your PC. Then there's easy VR support, one MMO Private Server client (ArcheAge RIP in piss) so I can't see myself letting dualboot of Win10 LTSC go for now even though I use it for a couple of hours a month.
Nowadays I do everything in one distro or another (CachyOS sloppa now with AMD setup) and I'm not missing a lot of anything besides the the previously mentioned cases.
As someone who's been using his PC a lot, I don't mind googling around and trying to fix it when I run into a roadblock but that's pretty rare. Worst case just ask AI sloppa to give you an advice and usually it pushes you in the right direction (understand what you're putting into your terminal before you trust clankers blindly).
Sure, I get it why people are against Linux and obviously there's plenty of shit to deal with for someone who can't into computers but it's manageable if you're not a room temperature room IQ Jeff.
fastfetch just does things to me

It's actually casuals that can tolerate linux because they don't do much with a pc. Power users instead want to install programs, change things fast, move things around and they don't like when one action destroy their work forever (like unplugging a usb hard drive).
In the end linux is only used as a bare bone OS for servers and by trannies, or for your grandma old notebook.

>>107782626
this post reads like something i'd have wrote if i was 10 years younger
keep at it bro, before you know it you'll forget you used to be a windows user

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>>107782766
Yes, there is always at least one deal breaker with those people, and the support to resolve usually sucks or is non-existent.

Windows used to be nearly perfect on this type of reliability for more "deep" work, like high speed document scanners - they have fucked up too.

>>107782766
any os change works best with the lowest end users, and the highest end users. it's the ones in the middle which are the hardest. users with low requirements can be given linux and not even realise it's another os, because they only care that "the internet" is "on the desktop", experienced users can handle adapting what they need to to fit into a new os, but the ones in between, the ones who are just familiar enough with one os that they depend on how it works, but not enough that they can translate that to another os, is where things can go pear-shaped. /g/ is full of users like that, people who think they've figured out computers but are really just hopelessly dependent on how windows works, and anything else is just wrong to them.

>>107782439
>but the actual OS is superior to linux, and no hoping will change that
You're comparing OS to kernel. If we compared kernel to kernel, then only one aspect of NT is superior - the graphics stack. Other than that NT sucks monkey balls.

OS vs OS - Windows is quickly descending there, too.
>t. Windows user

>>107777103
Fuck normies, who cares what they like or not

>>107782515
I didn't say anything about permissive vs copyleft licenses but ok. That said, having the freedom to take away other people's freedom isn't freedom.

>>107783920
>That said, having the freedom to take away other people's freedom isn't freedom.

That's what happens when you are legally ignorant on what constitutes property rights, and freedom of association - unless you are a communist.

>>107783134
It's been downhill since Windows 10. Some would say Windows 8, but it was just service updates with metro crap, and getting to classic start back was easy.

>>107782214
Most linux distros are garbage, just get something like Debian or Devuan Testing.

Don't listen to the sychophants, "rolling distros" are generally bad beta crap. Best you can do is Testing, so you don't get ancient, but reliable.

>>107784608
Leap is supposedly their "stable server distro". Been using Leap for years on my old PC and never had any issues this bad, it mostly just werked.

>>107777103
Quite simply, any Linux based OS that gets mainstream adoption, gets declared by the trolls to not count as Linux. Ironically because their requirement to acknowledge a "mainstream Linux" distribution as a success is a perfect clone of their fantasy "good" version of Windows, even though at 25% of the market and falling Microsoft's OS is no longer mainstream.

I'm not complaining, but why is every post ITT so long?

The common people need to understand the importance of the auditability of their domestic systems.

>>107777103
>having to use the terminal for everything
it's not everything, but having to use it for anything at all is enough to scare off normgroids.
>you have to do lots of tinkering
it's true. Big part of this is that gnu devs are bad at setting sane defaults.
>it breaks often
True for rolling release distros.
And for desktop environments. Been a Linux user for 20 years, and every few years I try out the new versions of GNOME and KDE, then go back to my i3 setup when the DE inevitably breaks after a few months or a year for no discernible reason.
>software availabity
depends on the individual needs. Adobe is the big one here, aside from that most normies would be fine,

When are you forced to use the terminal in your typical noob distros like Mint?

>>107786629
adobe suite works extremely well in wine. the only softwares that don't really work in wine are for real time audio production where wine adds undesired latency, even though a pure jack implementation would have lower latency than using windows' audio stack

>>107786667
want to install some program that's not in the repo and the tutorials online tell you to wtite terminal commands. Could be something from yidhub, or even the official installer of an app like DaVinci Resolve.

>>107777103
I have 3 very good examples

1.
>normalfag complains about windows
>"hey, you could use linux"
>"muh windows just works"
or
>"I wouldnt know how it works/it would take too mich time"

2.
>normalfag tries linux
>something doesnt work like it did on windows (ex. package management), and recommended distro to normalfag (always fucking ubuntu in this case) makes no effort to account for possible normalfag (ex. You couldnt install .debs in ubuntu by double-clicking them)
>normalfag does no further effort, complaints about x not working and does back to windows

3.
Filtered by installation/legitimate installation issues (the second one is rare but happens)

>>107782515
Stallberg's logic is that the same abilities you have to freely modify the software gets extended to everyone else by a voluntary contract you adopt (The GPL) FOSS is like public domain with the only exception being derivatives must stay public as well. Its public but without Government involvement.

>>107786961
You could just double click the deb file...

>>107779973
Yes, the GUI application 'RegEdit' exists and used probably 999 times out of 1,000 by Windows users. You know what we call that 1 out of 1,000 Windows users? The systems administrator who wrote a shell script to automate his job deploying computers for the other 999 users. That person receives formal education to do that job, and is not hired into that position without the education.

You have already sold "Linux(tm)" to that 1 out of 1,000 users. In order to move on to the other 999 users, you will need to move past the terminal.

You already know this though, because you started out as one of those 999 users, running a GUI version of Windows on your first computer. You are merely _pretending to be retarded_ by suggesting the 999 other users should/could/would/will follow in your autistic footsteps.

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>>107777103
the same reason people hate vegans

>>107789973
>because you started out as one of those 999 users, running a GUI version of Windows on your first computer.
not him but actually i started on ms-dos 5

>>107777103
I do NOT want normal fags using it. Normal fags are fucking morons. I don't mean that sarcastically, I mean it literally - they are fucking STUPID.
Normal fags coming to Linux would destroy it.
When ever anything get's "popular" and corporations smell profit, they get involved, and when corporations get involved, everything turns to shit.
Keep normal fags where they belong. ON WINDOWS.

>>107791577
people will call this gatekeeping, but nobody is stopping anyone from using linux right now. things turn to shit once linux starts getting pushed on people, rather than naturally pulling them to it. just look at android and chromebooks

>>107777103
tacky piece of shit made obsolete by templeos
>Feel free to share your personal experiences with friends

>FUCK WINDOWS FUCK ADS TIME FOR LINUX
>install the distro with the lime green logo forgot the name
>oh shit internet works everything going good this might not actually be that bad (tried once before aswell terrible experience)
>time to put the kettle to the mettle
>pirate minceraft (pollymc)
>dosent work
>try proton
>dosent work
>try wine
>dosent work
>nigga wtf is a key xxx ?
>ask ai (r1-0528 if im remembering correctly)
>dosent work
>try a different game
>dosent work
>wonder to myself that if a simple thing like this causes such an issue what would anything more complicated cause
>nah im good senpai

also linux reputation is fake it has ads just like windows except less of them with windows you have ads for news and games in linux you have ads for donations and its not private or secure at all its still a bloated telemetry piece of shit shit just like the others remember when the brother war with ukraine and russia started and all the russian contributors on github got the boot from like every fucking distro ? if its going to be a piece of shit either way with no compatability where i have to fucking fix everything what is its porposition against just using templeos ? infact if im going to have to fix everything why not mane an os myself ? would be far more fun and i would actually get something out of it and it would be quicker aswell at the end of the day all of this is not even mentioning the horror stories of niggas doing shit like wiping their drives cuz of a command that has no y/n for whatever the fuck reason

>>107792101
Your entire post reeks of low IQ.

>>107778368
>While it's not the topic of the thread *BSD everything GNU/Linux is supposed to be on the servers but so much better it keeps amazing me why GNU/Linux is the popular choice, as long as the hardware is supported by *BSD.
This was maybe true 10+ years ago, but there's basically nothing the BSDs are better at in the present day.

>>107779390
With how overbearing the OOBE has gotten, Windows isn't really plug & play anymore yet it still dominates.

>>107792643
Hey, as long as investors are dumb enough to pay for them.

And people will either continue to use MS products because they were dumb enough to stake their livelihoods on it (serves you right. fuckers), or they will switch to Linux (which will be absolutely miserable, which also serves them right). Either way, it's gonna be fun watching people weep and gnash with their teeth.

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>>107787186
>without government involvement
are you baiting?

A government is going to enforce a valid GPL claim in court, if the defendant does nothing.

i've read you op and i wonder how much people are just scared to fuck it up cause you've got to get into the bios menu.
plus you've got to off secureboot or your usb with the boot directory doesn't so you've got to manually add the boot in the boot menu wich can be scary too i guess.
but desu with ai now it's like having a on-live guide so.

>>107777103
one thing that always bkthers me is that sooner or later i'll have to do some tinkering with terminal or just do weird shit in general, oh you want to set custom login screen wallpaper? well you have to paste your image into root restricted directory and do blah blah blah while on windows you just change it in the settings app, i can do it, you can do it, it's a small inconvenience but some normie will get extremely frustrated because most unexpected little things require tinkering.

>>107777103
>>107777117
>>107777127
>>107777137
>>107777169

It's the command line and lack of popular software support or viable alternatives even. Computers became popular because of windows GUI freeing the people from the MS-DOS experience. It doesn't matter if the command is easy and you have to use it just a little bit. People fucking hate it and don't want anything to do with it. I know you supercool computer nerd people get a stiffy every time you hack away at your keyboard, inputting memorised command lines, telling that computer-slut exactly what to do, like the cool hacker-man you are but normies just want to click menus and buttons, not memorise commands. Why don't you understand?

>>107794518
It's not that we don't understand.

We just don't care. Enjoy your ever-worsening Windows experience. I genuinely hope they run it into the ground.
>t. not even a Linux user

>>107794530
See, gotchu right in the balls

>OP: why you no use leenux??
>ME: the cold hard truth
>YOU: w-w-we don't want you to use it anyway

>>107794567
I love how your autistic mind turns a
>we just don't care
to
>w-w-we don't want you to use it anyway
You can use whatever you want. I'm just saying that soon there's only going to be Linux or Winslop. Your call.

Linux has the superior kernel whereas Windows has the superior user space programs. Which one do you think normies care more about?

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>>107777103
You need Windows for school and work

T. Lives on Planet Earth and lives IN A SOCIETY

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>>107796687
>okay class please turn in your homework and open your computers to the exam
>and I swear to WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM STEVE JOBS I WILL KILL YOU IF I SEE ANY LINUX HACKING IN THIS SCHOOL

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>>107796716
>hey our boomer boss is going to fire you if you hack the internet with a 4chan Linux again

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>>107796735
>works 80 hours a week at McZob
>studies 18 credit hours at degree majoring in Zionism
Dude plenty of time to meet Linux friends here. It's the life!

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>>107796790
>gets married to anti tech roastie hog
>gets cucked by iJamal

>>107777103
UI/UX is often inconsistent garbage and the things you mentioned are still true to an extent.
There's a lack of support for some popular software suites and for gaymers.

The best distro I've used so far was Fedora, but there's the next problem.
There are a gorillion distros out there so people don't even know where to begin.

The biggest problem imo is the arrogance of the community.
If a user mentions his problem he will be told why he's wrong and why he doesn't need what he thinks he needs. Example: >>107777298

>>107777298
>CLI commands follow natural language structure of sunject-verb-object, its CLI that is intuitive and not GUI
I disagree, CLI is not like natural language. You have to get the series of characters just right for the command to function. The human brain does not work like that; we are much better at remembering things in concepts rather than strings of characters. What would fit your description is not a CLI but an AI chatbot.
>there is no real life physical phenomenon where you would "close" something by physically pressing on a big red cross
No, but everyone knows what a cross symbol means. If a user sees one in a GUI, he/she will know what it does. Ditto with other GUI symbols such as tabs, checkboxes, sliders etc.
With a CLI you have to memorise every command you want to make. Don't ask me how many times I had to google how to grep this string, or how to add a user to that group.