Back in 79 if you wanted to survive the Great Lisp Machine Crash you had to prove your value by showing up to work at most 15 minutes late and creating at least 3 snake game programs per week. Have new grads considered trying that?
t. hacker news power user

>>107782138

It's the one two punch. Indians, and AI. At my work they recently started hiring even lower quality Indians, giving them a copilot subscription, and having them perform at a mid level...

AI by itself can't take a programming job completely, but a low paid AI (another indian) equipped with AI can.

>>107782138
>in their field

found the problem why they cant get a job

>>107782138
curious with these reports if those "computer science grads" are trying to find anything other than jeetware react dev jobs or if they actually know anything other than a js framework and a bit of css.

>>107782316
>muh pajeets
there are a tons of white normies that were told for years that programming is a great lucrative career and companies are always looking to hire more
and now that they graduated, companies are firing devs left and right

>>107782260
Who cleans up this Jeet/AI slop when it fails?

>>107782368
yeah I get that but also the people who go in just for money probably know next to nothing anyway. I'm curious how easy it is for people who actually know a good bit and program for fun with lots of projects and knowledge to get jobs overall. Of course even some of them will struggle but I have a feeling most of the vocal unemployed people in these articles are just retards and/or brown

>>107782138
serves them right. anyone who went into coding for money deserves to suffer.

>>107782389
more jeets with AI probably in 10 years tech will be unusable and just be completely bloated

>>107782417
normies who don't know shit about the tech are getting hired over the autists who know tech but have no idea how to sell themselves and bullshit people

>>107782138
Should I just move to India and get an outsourcing job?

>>107782417
Where did this meme come from than anybody has to gaf about what they do for work. Work is for money.

>>107782469
oh I dont care if you care about work. But barely paying attention in school knowing basically nothing then crying when you cant get a job doesnt mean the industry is fucked it just means you're absolutely retarded

>>107782389
They're already failing, but these companies are monopolies so nobody will see any effect. They'll just throw more QA at it until AI agents can sufficiently fix or rewrite the mess.

>>107782601
are you saying those who were "good students" are not struggling to find a job?
(nta)

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>>107782138
He looks like the guy from cuckold simulator

>>107782601
There is a big difference between “doing something only for money” and “not being a good student”. Most people in most jobs don’t gaf, that doesn’t mean they don’t still work to be competitive in their professional life

>>107782638
not necessarily. I originally said I was curious to see if the unemployment rates are significantly different between people who are actually good at programming and knowledgable and retards who coast because they were told they'd get a 100k+ job immediately out of college. It'd also be nice to see if those different kinds of people are getting caught up at different stages of job searching. Good programmers who are socially retarded probably struggle with personal interviews and retards who know nothing anyway probably struggle with technical interviews. Just have a feeling most of these articles are taking input from the retards that dont know anything more than the people who are actually quality programmers.

>>107782417
>>107782638
>>107782726
nta but i was a good student and got a junior swe job recently with not much effort (i had internships and projects tbf)
i don't understand how anyone can be unemployed for years after graduating

>>107782726
>>107782725
I just had the idea that there might be three major variables to the equation that determines your employment success: your actual skills (where being interested in the stuff certainly helps), how your qualifications (if any) look on paper, and your connections (as well as ability to make new ones including during interview situations)

>>107782138
Learn to cock?

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the day people started studying CS just for jobs with no love for the field made this inevitable

>>107782812
true I feel like the connections ones is definitely my worst variable. Also skill but kinda easy to overinflate skills on paper lol.

>>107782896
Then lower the salaries and mandate RTO. There are good jobs and there are shit jobs and people personal feelings about one job or the other are irrelevant. Everyone competes for good jobs. You never hear urologists quacking on about love of dick pathology. It’s understood that it’s an employable skill that pays well. “Love for tech” is just the tech industries unique brand of “we’re a family”-tier corporate koolaid

>>107782138
got a job with no experience as a junior dev by sending like 3 or 4 resumes, and the didn't even care to interview me properly cause they desperately need programmers. this shit is some kind of media psyop to deter people from learning anything tech-related, so they can actually replace the illiterate imbeciles in 10-15 years from now. there is plenty of jobs and you just have to have an internal monologue to land them.

>>107782961
Assume I’m not retarded or unqualified. How do I get a job.

>>107782979
you are, tho. no assumptions, just facts.

>>107783010
Isn’t it an assumption to say that I am?

>>107782979
you're probably either trying to get into an ovesaturated area of tech, or are socially retarded. Try getting jobs that dont have 8000 applicants 2 minutes after a job is posted, or practice talking to people so you dont come off as a creepy retard in interviews.

>>107782260
I'd argue this is not the case.
I've had Asian and Indian junior roles wash out after a year or so, and in both situation they were potentially overqualified (master degrees, internships, and a few other junior jobs on their resume).

I could sniff out that they didn't know their shit right away, but it takes a year sometimes for management to start to catch on that they are incompetent, even with AI assisting them. So they either lied on their resumes, or their idiots plain and simple. I can't tell you how many standups I've been in where someone delivered AI code and when asked to walk through what they delivered and explain it, they struggle and find several mistakes during the review.

I get that every industry has lazy people (and this is coming from years managing in fast-food), but these people really take the cake. Too lazy to simply follow-up with your AI overlord to ask it "What does this mean?".

>>107782316
I concur with this. Even when hiring what I would consider to be above-average developers, so many of them have never worked with a backend at all. They know nothing about SQL, relational databases, nosql databases, or anything of the sort.

It really limits them when they have to start working on business applications, and they start trying to create new classes and ORM connections with 0 understanding of a database.

>went to university
>didn't network with people who would get you into a job
kekypow

>>107782138
i think the US just totally fucked up its economy by injecting capital into it over and over after 2008. everything has gone completely off the rails because companies are just looking to get more cash injections rather than actually make anything good or useful that people might want to buy. and in the case of like intel and boeing, failing doesn't matter because lol that just means more cash injections in the form of bailouts haha. on some level they were always headed this way since taking on USD as the reserve currency but they sure mismanaged the fuck out of that in the past 20 years lol

huge amount of people needing healthcare but no healthcare. huge amount of people living at their parents' but no one is building houses. farmers not farming because they get more subsidies that way or some shit like that, so no food either. they've extended their cartoonishly retarded economic system to its limit and now they're trying to squeeze one little bit of it with H1Bs during a recession so that it can be even more fucked. and trump is speedrunning the USD out of reserve currency status so they can be even MORE fucked. good lord it's they had a step by step guide how to completely fuck the country up and they're just going through it

>>107782417
in my experience, the people who were "in it for the money" already got pretty fucked even before this latest tech recession. desu i wouldn't say they were all necessarily like this, but it seemed like most of them were just completely inept at working through any kind of problem by themselves when i studied alongside them. on some level it seemed like they were actively hostile to the idea of having to think for themselves.

i think most software development is just too involving for the typical normie brain. they just don't feel like trying that hard at work. in good economic times many of them manage to slip by and coast for literally 30 to 40 years at some made up position like product owner though

imo the thing that sucks about these economic downturns is that even if you are extremely bright and could be an excellent software dev if hired, you just won't get hired. your whole career progression gets crippled from the get-go for no particular reason. meanwhile some covid hire retard can coast forever

I had a 4.0 GPA and spent all my time studying and programming, but I didn't go to a top 10 school or have family connections. Hit the internship market right after that period a few years ago where ChatGPT had recently come out, mass layoffs had just started, and there was a lot in the news about internships not happening, being reduced, not giving callbacks, etc. I followed the resume templates and spent a lot of time tweaking it and doing leetcode, but I didn't get any interviews. So no internship, and I only got like 2 job interviews just before graduating and nothing after that. I tried to make up for not having an internship by being very flexible on relocation, type of work, pay, and security clearance eligibility, but no dice.
What's funny is that, of my peers, the only ones I'm aware of who actually got internships and a job in the field right out of college were the genuine incompetents, the ones who didn't even understand what we were supposed to be doing in group projects. The best people I knew didn't get anything.
Not trying to whine about my circumstances because I don't even want a tech job anymore, just countering the notion that everyone who didn't make it is lazy and only applies to $300k+ jobs. A lot of it is just luck, happening to know the right people and being there at the right time.

>>107783581
>the only ones I'm aware of who actually got internships and a job in the field right out of college were the genuine incompetents
chad gets what chad wants. ouch!

>>107783610
They were mostly women.

>>107783581
I graduated college right between some massive layoffs. I think like amazon or microsoft laid off a bunch of people then right after graduating is when twitter did a bunch of layoffs. I was also kinda retarded in college and didnt do internships and didnt start job searching until just before graduating. Took 6 months after graduating to find a job. Definitely feel bad for people who didnt find jobs but at my university the ones who struggled (including myself) were the ones who didnt network or do internships. I'm insnaley lucky I found the job I have.

>>107783581
I never understood the internship thing.
I just started working at McDonalds at 16, worked at other places during college to pay for college, then got hired 3 months out of school. No connections, no fancy school or GPA; I just put in job applications and got hired.

Granted, the job was paying 40k and was simply reviewing spreadsheets, which I think is something a lot of graduates feel they are above. The point is though, within a few years I was where I wanted to be career wise and financially because I knew working was more important than landing a dream job or something.

>>107783259
If I wanted to talk to people I wouldn't have chosen a tech job

>>107783698
This lol

>>107783259
What people? All my classmates back in college were lazy vulturous retards, I'm talking India-tier opportunism, and I went to a literally who Europoor shithole university that basically prints degrees. Such is the price of free education: anyone can enroll but only the wealthy can afford to these middle-of-nowhere shadow networking events, and therefore get jobs. I fucking hate being poor so much.

>>107782893
Male sexbots will be allowed. Only female models will be outlawed.
>inb4 cope
Don't lie to yourself you know I'm right.

>>107783259
people like mommy and daddy?

>>107783693
I would've taken that job if it were local to me, if it helps you understand my criteria when I was on the market.
It seems to me like internships used to be a bonus thing, but they've become essential in recent years. I see students talking about high school and freshman year internships, which I would've never even thought about when I was a freshman.

>>107783698
Well, unfortunately this is something you should have been taught by your parents.
Even if tech, the most valuable employees are the ones with great soft skills, including communication - it's not bullshit.

You need to be able to dumb complicated stuff down for clients, co-workers, and management without sounding condescending. You should be ok with talking with clients when called upon. This isn't unique to tech; having the attitude of 'this isn't part of my job' will always lead to failure.

>>107782933
it's gated properly anyway
good (enough) universities only enroll you if you can show passion in interviews
good (enough) companies hire very disproportionately from said universities

if you cant get a job in the relating to computer science you might straight up just be fucking retarded
ever consider that

>>107783928
Eh, I'll just be frank with my opinions from the various interviews and hiring I've conducted for developers: internships don't mean shit.

We went out on a limb for people in the past because they had internships (granted, only a couple of times), and it has never translated into professional ability. On the flip side, we have given internships (and very quickly hired) to college freshmen/sophomores who could run circles around CS master degrees.

It very apparent during the interview process where someone's skill level is, regardless of what's on their resume or any past experience.

>>107783942
I’m just talking about the cuckshit memery of any expectation that you should give one tiny fuck about your work beyond the paycheck. I keep hearing it and it irks me

>>107783976
I mean the internship doesn't help you pass the interview or do the job, it helps you to not get filtered out before a person even looks at your resume

>>107783976
>It very apparent during the interview process where someone's skill level is
you know i've noticed this is really obvious so i'm really confused as to why so many applicants get filtered by HR people and recruiters with no industry training

>>107783693
internships get me a lot of money and get me return offers for even more money

>>107783930
I feel I have learned so much about this from talking to Chat GPT last year. Earlier, I had read general advice about how to present yourself and watched some people who seemed to get it. It feels like a very useful addition to be able to have conversations with an AI system designed to
>address your every concern
>subtly validate where you're coming from
>never say anything entirely unnecessary
>never say anything that feels "off" (let alone rude or wrong)
>focus on the main concepts and get to them asap (but not sooner)
even if it's just in writing

>>107784187
It's a learned skill, just like anything else. Because while all those things are important, you can't be expected to recall all of those rules in the middle of an important conversation; you have to already before you ever get to the conversation.

Even worse is if you go into a conversation already convinced it's not a conversation you should be having, AKA 'this isn't my job'. Mentally, you've already set yourself up to fail.

Prior preparation prevents poor performance. I know people will say it's corporate shill shit, but it's true in nearly every aspect of your life.

https://huggingface.co/nvidia/NitroGen
To all of the smug blue collar workers out there, I believe there is some actual potential in a technology like this and maybe all the artfags will stop bitching about robots not being able to do "Dumb boring work" like a romba.

>>107783259
Every time someone goes on about networking it's just some rich kid who went to school with other rich kids.

>>107784298
>doesn't go to any industry events or cons
>muh fucking rich kids
???
Why is this always the cope for antisocial niggers?

>>107782260
>At my work they recently started hiring even lower quality Indians, giving them a copilot subscription, and having them perform at a mid level
You should quit. The writing is clearly on the wall.

>>107784298
i am a poor kid who went to school with rich kids and networked into a job
skill issue

>>107783259
You're cooked. Enjoy the permanent underclass.

>>107784298
You don't have to be rich to be socially competent. If you fail at networking, that's a (you) problem.

>>107784373
>went to school with rich kids
exactly

>>107783581
So what are you doing now?
>A lot of it is just luck, happening to know the right people and being there at the right time.
It's not "just luck"; it's a numbers game. The more you put yourself out there and meet people offline, the greater your chance of landing a position through connections.

>>107784340
>yeah I just went to that networking event and they were so impressed with my firm handshake that they took my phone number and called me back immediately for a job

>>107784407
Keep strawmanning and deflecting. That will really prove that you aren't just another spastic that can't handle human interaction but thinks people owe him to wipe his ass for him.

>>107784407
You don't know how networking works.

>>107784394
>not a rich kid myself
exactly

>>107784414
Seriously, explain to me how you got your job fresh out of college through "networking"
It's always shit like my rich frat bro or my mum knew a guy, etc.

>>107784427
it's still the same shit, you were just lucky enough to get into a rich guy's school as a poor guy

>>107784448
>first semester
>start talking to profs
>ask them what cons are happening
>go there
>talk with people about current shit happening in the industry
>stay for drinks after the con
>keep doing this every semester
>let people know you're looking for a job
>???
>job offer
The fact that you think this is unattainable unless you're some trust fund kiddie born with a golden buttplug up the ass is both a damning indictment on your social intelligence as well as your general intelligence.

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>>107784375
Probably like 5% of ppl that graduated in the last 3 years are gonna end up in the permanent underclass if they weren’t already born rich. Most of the recent grads that have jobs just haven’t been laid off yet

>>107784492
*not in the permanent underclass

>>107784487
you just keep making up vague scenarios, I was asking about you specifically

>>107784463
>lucky
aka was competent enough to pass the university interviews

>>107784518
>competent
that's now how pass
you need to impress them with some Dickensian sob story of your life

>>107784511
>literal step for step instructions for what I did
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU MADE THAT UP
Go fuck yourself you eternally unemployed spastic piece of shit. Why do I even waste my time trying to help people that I know don't deserve my help and prove every single time that they don't deserve my help.
What the fuck do you want you nigger? Name of people I made friends with over the years going to conventions? Kill yourself.

>>107784535
they received no information about me other than my identity, location, grades, an admissions test and a technical interview

>>107784380
You can't see the forest for the trees. It's not the act of having money that makes you "socially competent", but rather the complex relationship between the status of your parents and factors which then contribute to your outlook on life, your self esteem, willingness to take risks, ability to properly connect with people etc.
I know 4chan hates to hear this, but the socio-economic factors are not a meme, and they don't just apply to black people in ghetto America.

Furthermore, if social skills and the ability to properly communicate (like what >>107783930, >>107784187 and >>107784187 talk about; and IMO miss the point because nobody struggles with getting a point across and not being arrogant, the issues people have are much more subtle) were so important, then the anons ITT who are being extremely aggressive towards >>107784298 would not have any credibility. The aggressive tone and need to namecall is very off putting, and the posts reek of insecurity. None of you know what social intelligence is, especially the "poor kid who went to school with rich kids" anon, who seems extremely defensive from being asked to elaborate and is shitting up this thread.

>>107782309
>>107782316
>stupid slave, you're supposed to get your $40k+ debt papers then work retail
Ebin.

>>107784536
>hey bro, you heard about these blockchain shit
>yeah that's crazy man! let's hang out afterwards for some shots and a job at my company
>this is 100% real and happened, I'm not just some gay entitled nepo baby

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>>107784585
Damn that's crazy. Stay unemployed NEET.

>>107784597
Wow, you sound really great at making friends and fun at parties.

>people act the same way on /g/ as they do in real life

>>107782933
>then pay like shit and force people to drive to offices
>just make the job even worse and even more appealing to offshore or pass on to imported H1Bs
Off yourself fagot.

>>107784585
>>107784606
Did you mean to prove him right when he called you an autist that can't even begin to imagine how normal humans interact? Cause in that case you're doing great kid.

>>107784568
>>107784585
you do know everyone can tell you're samefagging right?

>>107784619
>can use their amazing social skills to talk themselves into getting amazing jobs
>fail at using the same skills to convince some random anon of anything

>>107784298
I was looking into the hackathon hosted by my university when I still attended and I saw that the only sponsors left was a sticker company and something else I don't remember. Even if it was a lucrative event you couldn't pay me to slave away doing something for more than 24 hours straight. I had the opportunity of going to an 3D animation competition in high school in Toronto and I regretted not going for the longest time but now when I think about it it just doesn't appeal to me anymore. I guess I'm old now.

>>107784606
>he thinks people in real life act like they do on 4chan
Well that explains everything. Stay unemployed, I know you will.

meow

>>107784639
>you NEED to convince me because.. WELL YOU JUST HAVE TO OKAY!?
>That will really prove that you aren't just another spastic that can't handle human interaction but thinks people owe him to wipe his ass for him.
>>107784414

>>107784632
Well then teach that autist in detail how you talked your way into getting a job with some stranger in a job con.

>>107784629
Alternatively stop bitching about technology no longer being the exclusive domain of basement dwelling virgins and accept that it’s now mass normified like any other high paying job

>>107784668
>>107784665

>>107782138
I am currently finishing my coding studies in high school (my school offers advanced courses in TS-JS+Backend and C#+SQL), but I feel that I will probably not be able to find a job in my field. I have to go to university, although I probably won't have any problems in the first semester at least.
However, as I said at the beginning, I feel that I won't be able to find a job. I've always been more interested in hardware, including CPU architecture design. However, obviously no one here (in Eastern Europe) is interested in the latter, coding is the main thing, and I was thinking about switching to electrical engineering at university.
I'm also thinking about what profession I should try to learn. My father is a bus driver, and as I've noticed, there is almost always a demand for them. I have a driver's license, although only for passenger cars (3.5 tons), but I wouldn't mind being a bus driver or a courier. It's not a career, but it would do until the "market" improves. (If it ever does.) Any ideas?

>>107784665
If you don't care about convincing me why do keep arguing with me?
What are your butthurt posts supposed to achieve?

>>107784669
>just accept cancer bro
>t. permaNEET leech

just be better and you will find jobs

>>107784679
Why do you think I'm the guy that originally called you a spastic?

>>107784634
No, only the first post is mine. Your inability to recognize who you're talking to is not only a low IQ trait, but also shows that you lack communication skills. Lurk more.

>>107784619
The way you choose how to reply to different posts on 4chan is reflective of who you are. There's no need to get so violent. You're obviously not trolling, so either you're a psychopath or an idiot.

>>107784492
I hope you graduated debt free, anon.

>>107784679
>why do keep arguing with me?
>kid thinks him getting called a spastic and mocked 20 times in a row is an argument

>>107784714
>The way you choose how to reply to different posts on 4chan is reflective of who you are.
Thanks for the explanation of how humans work mr autist.

>>107784701
That question applies to you just as well.

>>107784740
See what this guy said >>107784721

those with the ability will succeed regardless of the state of the market

>>107782448
Autist Manager. A new job opportunity.

>>107784721
>makes a million pathetic seething counter-arguments
>no you see I was just mocking you
wow dude I'm learning so much social skills from you

Oh, the retard is backpedaling now kek. You love to see it

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>>107784687
wtf are you talking about. You don’t get a whole career field that pays well and has good benefits because you’re a special snowflake sperglord who heckin loves2code. Medicine, law, finance, etc are all normiated because they pay well. Tech is not an exception.

>>107784765
>okay I got called a spastic 20 times.. then I got called an autist... then I got called an eternal NEET and unemployed... those are counter-arguments r-right g-guys?

>>107782368
and the jobs that they could have had are instead taking up by recently imported WiPro saaars

>>107782316
Yeah, this makes me curious too. How many of those graduates have any evidence of even having done anything besides showing up for classes and passing the exams?
>but the boomers were gaslighting us into thinking getting a CS degree is the solutio-
Yes, I know. But my point is initiative. It's one think to get hoodwinked because you're a naive teenager, and for that obviously the fault lies with the people blowing smoke in children's eyes about any career being "guaranteed". It's another to find yourself in a bad position and not wonder how you can turn it around. Ultimately all previously-stable careers (stable due to labor shortage) stop having the shortages as people try to get in on the money, so obviously the employers are going to be looking for something better than the "average". In that situation, you need to do something to show that you're more competent than the other grads, which I'm curious if these struggling grads did.

>>107782138
>WFH fake email job babies will have to figure out the real world
I'm not really that upset.

>>107784804
How are posts like "I only act this way on /g/ not in real life" not an attempt at a counter-argument?
Please use your amazing people skills to explain that to a poor autistic neet like myself.

>>107784832
Nigger there are three or four people mocking you. The original guy probably left after telling you to go fuck yourself. And he was fucking right to.
>explain to me
>tell me
>me
>me
>me
All you do is bitch and moan that the world doesn't hand you a job on a silver platter for doing nothing and then someone comes along tells you how he got a job you say no he didn't he made that up and you're surprised no one seriously engages you after that? Are you clinically retarded?

>>107784765
>can't comprehend there might be multiple people calling him a retard with no social skills for displaying zero fucking social skills
autist, narcissist or both?

>>107784832
I didn't say that. How many more people need to point out to you that they're mocking you before you realize the original anon is gone?

if you aren't currently employed or retired you should shut up

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>>107784854
>you say no he didn't he made that up and you're surprised no one seriously engages you after that?
yeah let me waste my time actually putting effort into giving tips to an unbearably autistic and narcissistic shitstain that will just say I'm rich or I made that up afterwards

>>107784898
I am employed
ive not met another engineer or developer aware of getting the job through dumb luck. even the most inept people ive met are under some self delusion about their worth . im not, im aware once im laid off or fired im pretty fucked and I may as well just end it all.

>how do I network
>errm you just network
>that's not helpful
>FUCK YOU, YOU PIECE OF SHIT AUTISTIC NIGGER! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU?! I HAVE SOCIAL INTELLIGENCE! PLUS I NEVER EVEN INTENDED TO REPLY TO YOU SINCERELY, THAT'S WHY I CHANGED MY TONE ONLY AFTER I'VE BEEN CALLED OUT FOR BEING FULL OF SHIT! NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING PLEASE RESPOND
God, you're pathetic.

>>107784854
Again you keep replying, and you are clearly now attempting to make an counter-argument with this very post of yours.
And no I don't care if you're a different anon, you're doing the same exact shit so everything applies to you just as well.

I don't know about you but when I'm mocking someone I don't keep replying trying to explain myself to the one I'm mocking like you keep doing.
So again, what's the point of this post? I can't say I feel very mocked by your obvious seething.

i doubt a single person here has actual "social intelligence" (me included)

>>107784995
>dude you didn't tell me word for word what I should say in any given conversation that's not helpful!
Why do you insist on proving you are a lost cause anon? You think displaying negative social awareness and then insulting people is going to get them to want to help you? Might that be why you have no friends and no job?
If you don't know how to talk to strangers and make friends then your life failed 10-15 years ago already depending on how old you are. You failed to learn how to socialize as a child, you're never going to learn it as an embittered adult.

>>107784997
>I'm not seething you're seething! Why do you keep replying huh?!
I'll just call you a nigger for old times sake and close the thread. Good luck with your strategy of acting like a spoiled, petulant child towards people who's help you obviously and desperately need and are quite literally begging for with these screams for help you call "having an argument".

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>>107782260
No joke, have they switched out toilet paper for something cheaper? What about the cleaning supplies? If yes, then update your resume and get to steppin'.

>>107783581
>the ones who didn't even understand what we were supposed to be doing in group projects

welcome in this society ,don't be afraid to say they're retarded useless persons ,it makes them mad when you don't suck their dick kek.

>>107785039
That's a different anon mocking you, bro.

>>107785099
Again you keep replying and I'm the lost cause?

>>107784997
are these explanations in the room with us right now?
where exactly did you feel like someone was explaining themelves to you?
when I called you an unbearably autistic and narcissistic shitstain >>107784935?
or when the other anons called you a spastic?

Learn to weld, poindexter

>>107785138
>where exactly did you feel like someone was explaining themelves to you?
literally in the post that post replied to

>>107785103
Who called you a lost cause?

>>107785170
keep pretending you don't know what words mean somewhere else kiddo I'm out as well
go on see if someone else bites I'm now the third(?) guy checking out on your bullshit
see you never since I'm not unemployed so I don't cash social benefit checks

>>107785198
>>107784997

>>107782389
That's the next CEO's problem after the current one fails upwards with his golden parachute.

>>107785232
>keep pretending you don't know what words mean somewhere else kiddo I'm out as well
I have literally no idea what you're on about.
Get some better communication skills.

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>>107785272
>I have literally no idea what you're on about.
Yeah we can tell.
>Get some better communication skills.

>>107785267
I don't see "lost cause" or anything remotely similar in that post.
The worst the post says is "seething".

>>107782138
>$180k/year remote-working javascript linux trannies will be on the streets
Good

>>107784802
To the point that medicine is mostly women now kek

>>107785329

yeah and doctors are full of retards nowadays. cohencidence i guess

>>107785281
So how is "No, my communications skills are good, it's yours that are bad and you're just projecting" not a counter-argument?

>>107782194
Good, I don't care about Juniors, 99% of them are dumb and useless.
>Senior software dev working from LATAM for a USA company.
>Tasked with training a new hire, no experience, INDIAN FEMALE.
>Stupid and useless, kept around for diversity points and cuz all other coworkers are indians.
>I have to explain her simple stuff multiple times so that she gets what is the issue she's facing.
>Anytime management task her with anything, she cannot do it by herself even with other colleagues guiding her, helping her
>"Anon, this is getting delayed too much, go and finish her work"
>Now I have to clean the shit and make it work
>The only reason I keep with this is that, beyond that, work is chill, I rarely do more time than my 9-5 and pay is good. Obv remote.
Yeahhh I won't miss her once she gets the boot, as she's so stupid that she is pissing management, but again, diversity hire so she will stay for a while.

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>>107784298
>people tell you to go to industry events and get people to know you (good advice)
>proceeds to shit on the floor, accuses other people of lying and having no social skills for two hours
You okay bro?

>>107785375
>CTRL+F argument
>7 hits
Why is this bot stuck in a loop?

gemmy thread

>>107784568
>because nobody struggles with getting a point across and not being arrogant

In this field, it happens all the time. Perhaps you've been blessed to work with well-adjusted individuals, but tech career paths often attract people who are lacking in the social skills department. This shouldn't be news.

>>107785631
>but tech career paths often attract people who are lacking in the social skills department
looking at this thread I'd say that's the understatement of the century kek

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>>107785597
put me in the screenshot for the reddit post

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>>107785567
>this is what not networking during university does to a motherfucker

>>107785567
Cause it is obvious bullshit.
Ever been to these job cons? Tons of jeets doing their sales pitch to tired attendees that have barely time for anything. None of them are going to make friends and go drinking with some random ass fresh college grad in these events.

Maybe if you manage to get into some small comfortable industry gathering, where you could make an actual connection but not at these fucking cons.

>>107782138
have they tried being indian!

>>107785735
>Cause it is obvious bullshit.
I did pretty much the same as the other guy except I started at the end of the third semester instead of the first so skill issue I guess.

>>107785749
Oh and before you start I finished my Bachelors in 2025 and am currently preparing for my Masters so shove your muh boomer handshake cope up your ass.

>>107785749
What con did you go to?

the entire thing has taught my generation one thing its this:
if there is a lucrative industry to get into , keep your fucking mouth shit about it and silence those that won't.

>>107785767
It is primarily they companies that pushed this because they obviously want a bigger potential work force.
There's no helping it.

>>107784492
85% minimum. Why is it so hard to put yourself in your boss's shoes? Just. Imagine you're running a company, trying to appeal to shareholders, and you have the option between hiring 100 white SWEs for 70k a year or 25 jeets who work with AI 80 hours a week for 35k a year? The end product is only somewhat worse and just saved over $6M.

>>107784492
>Probably like 5% of ppl that graduated in the last 3 years are gonna end up in the permanent underclass if they weren’t already born rich
I think more than 5 percent

>>107785848
I meant 5% might escape

>>107783258
Web developers aren't real developers. You guys don't make shit. You just slap libraries together and delude yourself into thinking you're doing something novel. Even the novice making snake in python is doing more critical thinking and exploratory work than most of you guys do in your entire careers.

Is this an American thing? Everyone in my class had a job secured by their second semester lol. No one bothers with getting a Masters since they have well paying jobs before even finishing their bachelor's degree

>>107785898
Thanks?
I'd argue that by toiling away at making a Snake clone in Python isn't going to provide you with many scalable skills. Code organization will likely be shit and the application will be "just good enough". And you think the Python user is going to make a game WITHOUT packages?

What are you talking about?

>>107782138
I feel I can't get a job in any field. I don't know what's wrong. My final option is to just start lying on my resume.

>>107785766
A lot of small local cons, other than those
>C3
a guy I got to know here is how I ultimately got the job offer that got me my current job
>defcon
Biggest waste of time and money ever. Just larpers and actual glowniggers.
>local aws and azure sponsored stuff
I wouldn't call them useless but ultimately not the field I'm going for so while it never hurts having friends unless you want to go into cloud infrastructure or something similar there are better places to focus on.
>Viva Technology
Overcrowded so unless you're really outgoing and extroverted not for you.
Obviously if you go to CES or some other shit con like that don't expect to get anywhere or get to know anyone. Those are hell. Wasted my first semester I started going to cons going to shit cons like CES.

>>107785975
>inb4 what is a shit con
The big ones. Almost all of them. If it is heavily or exclusively geared towards consumers or enterprise it's not going to help you find a job one bit.

>>107785975
are you in vegas or something? how were you going to all these big cons during the semester?

>>107786027
flying nimbus

>>107785975
Okay so you literally have the money and time to fly to a lot of expensive cons during college?
And do you mean CCC with C3? Like you literally flew to Europe?

And you're telling me you're not a rich kid?

>>107784487
>go to cons/hiring events
>none of them are relevant to my target career

I only have a job because my masters thesis just happened to be exactly the same problem a company needed solved

>>107786027
>>107786068
>so where do you go?
>give you a list of options across the US and EU I visited with my opinion on them
>discard everything and get your panties in a twist because HURR YOU'RE RICH HUH!?
I can see why the other guys just insulted you and moved on. Do you think you have to go to every con? Yeah I got lucky gambling on shitcoins, cry about it. And also good job pretending I didn't say
>A lot of small local cons
as literally the first option
You're not interested in learning anything. You're not interested in getting a job. You just want to wallow in your self made misery and blame other people for not throwing the arms up in the air and blaming random people you never even met.

>>107786503
But you didn't find anything in the small local cons.
You're literally a rich kid who has found your job by going to a big expensive con with an expensive trip to Europe, not through you're amazing networking skills.

>>107785964
>Web 'dev' copium post #96185823

im about to enter my junior year as a compsci major. do i end it all?

>>107786849
don't take on any debt

>>107784448
Here’s one networking thread I had that landed me a part time research position:

Freshman year: I identified a chatty grade A student near me and struck up conversation now and then. I got my work done early in the class. When he brought up problems in his program, I offered to walk through it with him (as this was freshman year we were following a pretty strict and simple formula so easy for me to contribute). He obliges, I find an issue, problems resolved. He thanks me and we finish the semester.

Junior Spring: I join the ACM club, of which he is now president. I had taken a special topics temporary course on machine learning, so I approached this guy offering to put together a ppt and host a meeting going over the basics of ML and showing off the project I developed for the class. He accepted, I presented, those in attendance now knew me as the “AI guy” and assumed I was ahead of the curve.

Junior Fall: ACM president approaches me in the hall and tells me about an upcoming paid AI research position a professor is looking to have filled. He tells me “When he told me what it was about, I thought of you, so ask him about it and tell him I sent you.” He heard about it due to his involvement as ACM club president, but couldn’t take it as he had a full schedule. I thanked him, spoke with the professor about it, and landed the position without any real competition. Senior year, I worked with phd students doing “real shit” and getting paid while doing it. All because I offered my shitty services at the right time to the right person. Not my only instance of this, but the most prominent.

>>107782961
>>107783228
What type of dev are you? I was considering picking webdev back up, but maybe that's the direction you're describing that's oversaturated?

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>not studying ML

>>107790845
backend dev doing security stuff, frontend is oversaturated but backend devs are scarce somehow, we here need at least 3 more in our team cause there is a shitton of work and none can be delegated to llms because of very sensitive data being processed

>>107782138
Orange reddit has a thread about the nazi princess in congress trying to end the h1b. They're pretty angry about it.

>>107792641
There are plenty of backend developers and their quality is on average much better because no one goes to backend boot camp. Guarantee the problem is somewhere in your hiring pipeline, probably with some gatekeeper who doesn't know anything about tech.

>>107782138
>learned to program
>didn't learn to code

>Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
>Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
>Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
have ye learned to code yet?

>>107782138
I have 4 years experience and only make 60k a year. Trying to find a better job but it is impossible

Zoomers barely know how to use computers and most don’t know what a file system is. They’re also graduating having used ChatGPT and shit to cheat their degrees. Why would any competent business hire these people to begin with?