It's just matrix multiplication. How is that intelligence?
it isn't, it just enough to fool investors
>>107784562your brain is also just matrix multiplication, so you are also not intelligent
>>107784562what part of "artificial" don't you understand?
>>107785024artificial says nothing about quality, only about means of coming about. you can have two identical things in function, one natural and one artificial. hell there's identical molecules, some made "naturally" and some "artificially", there's zero distinction between them. only dumb people think artificial inferior, for some reason
>>107784992>>107785024>intelligence
>>107785050>>107785063Either you lack reasoning skills, or you are trolling/baiting.I know enough about molecular biology that the exact same molecule is not sufficient for bio-equivalence of a drug, for example.
>>107785124yet you cannot explain which part of artificial is "le bad". it just somehow is because spirits and qi energy flow and mother earth and shit innit
>>107784992it's literally not tho
>>107784992neither are you, nullifying your statements.
>>107784562I cant matrix multiply
>>107785250you are intelligent
>>107785124what if you extract just the particular molecules themselves, and replace them with artificial made molecules (same handedness btw)?you're being a faggot by omission>uh ackshually the artificial ones don't have other shit around them so I'll use this as an argumentso, what if you replace just the molecules themselves, nothing else, in the original "juice", with artificially manufactured ones. does it pass your vibe check?
>>107785241it's literally so, when you estimate where the deer will be so you throw your arrow to meet it in the place where it will be in the future, after you throw the arrow.you just don't have access to the number figures like matrix or some shit, you get the whole thing packaged in an actionwhat the actual fuck do you think happens in your brain which is literally full of neural networks? are y'all fucking retarded or smth lmao
>>107784562It's also activation functions
>>107785304You're making the mistake of thinking artificial "neural networks" are anything like actual biological neural networks.They're not, they are relatively simple math vaguely inspired by some of the mechanics of actual neural networks.
>>107785326>spirit bruh it's in the quantum shit in your brainare you one of those weirdos?I do agree AI is massively simplified. at most it's subsystems of the brain. or even parts of subsystems from the brain. a lot of our brain's "thing" is in the way shit it interconnected, not just the fact that "it does matrix multiplication".cmon anon, stop acting like a faggot. I was not implying AI is just like a human brain, I was implying the human brain does what AI is doing, in some measure
>>107784992uhh my brain is high level matrix addition actually
>>107785377consciousness is an emergent phenomenon of brain activity. you can explain brain activity but you can't explain consciousness. there is no such parallels with >AI. They also need an absurd amount of data to train on because they are so quantifiable. Something which the brain doesn't need and is not.
>>107784992stupid statement as it can't be proven and it's probably more than that
A place is just rocks. How does it fly?
>it's just a blob of chemicals how can it be intelligent?reductionism isnt an argument
>>107786739the chemical interactions in the brain are infinitely more complex than matmul. LLMs aren't intelligent. They won't even concoct a response unless you prompt them. You think an intelligent system would completely shut off like that unless it's "turned on"?
>>107784562>How is matmul intelligence?It isn't. ODEs might be.
>>107784562matrix multiplication is just an encoding
>>107785124stereoisomers are not "the exact same molecule". apparently you don't know enough.
>>107784562I forgot how to do that shit before the end of the semester in algebra II. Good thing algebra is easy as hell.
>>107786821they are just chemical reactions though
>>107784562You're just matrix multiplication. How is that intelligence?
>>107786739you have it backwards retard. we know chemicals in brain = intelligent (in some cases anyway). any software AI attempt is simply imitating this natural phenomenon with symbolic manipulation and thus per chinese room is no more capable of producing intelligence than software imitation of digestion is able to produce food energy
>>107784562It's just small lump of meat. How is that intelligence?
>>107790530your brain runs a simulation of the world's logic for predicting events, the quality of this simulation is intelligence. It's not that AI imitates the brain, but that the brain and AI imitate the same thing.
>>107784562Intelligence is an emergent phenomena: you just do shit and if you're lucky it was something smart.
>>107790530>thus per chinese roommidwit thought experiment. consider this: the person inside the room doesn't know what they're writing, but the understanding of chinese naturally manifests as a function of the room itself.this is also putting aside the naive notion that's trying to conflate intelligence with understanding.dynamic systems exhibit properties beyond what their constituent components possess. the mechanisms which bring about intelligence are not themselves intelligent.
>>107784562>a matrix multiplication is worth billions>a linked list is worth billionsYou're just salty you haven't profited from dead simple tech.
>>107795665i can't remember how to multiply matrices so no shit i can't profit from them
>>107795665what's the linked list thing? tiktok?
>>107795679blockchain
>>107784562Honestly I don't care about the name. If you don't like words like "intelligence" or "learn" then we can call it something else. Maybe "uninterpretable guesswork machine".I only care about the fact that, in practice, it somehow works and is very useful.
>>107784562It's not actually intelligent: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#ArtificialIntelligence
>>107795574searle addresses your "argument" (actually just a goalpost shift) in his paper
>>107784562>How is that intelligence?It isn't. Calling an LLM AI is just marketing bullshit.
>>107795574By your logic, any if-else python program could be intelligent. Even a book containing clear instructions for how to use it would be intelligent (in essence). Even if internally consistent, that's a pretty useless definition for the topic at hand imo.
>>107793688you can imitate logic with physical circuits it doesnt make a toaster conscious, if you want to believe in absurdist hindu metaphysics you can but its out of bounds of empiricism and rationalism
>>107801717First,>empiricism>consciousnessyou have no idea what you are talking about, consciousness itself lies outside of empiric evidence since there's yet no way of measuring it.Second,>consciousness>intelligencekeep moving the goalposts
>>107784562That's the neat part. It's not.
>>107785250You can. And you will.
>>107784992everything is matrix multiplication
>>107801686That's not what Jensen and Microslop call it. They call it AI™.
>It's just molecules traversing synaptic clefts. How is that intelligence?
>>107784992umm akshually one brain neuron can do far more complex (and non linear) signal modulation than one artificial neuron AND the human neural network can automatically prune or make new connections on the fly AND it has a global state that can be modulated by the neurons (neurotransmitters) AND it's trained on billions of years of evolution, visual, auditory, and sensory input
