What is the point of junior devs when chatgpt 5.2 is faster, cheaper, and more reliable?
>>107784574>We doesn't hire juniors
>>107784574>chat gpt, make me a coffee and while youre at it tell karen from hr ill see her after work
>>107784592>apparently it takes an extremely low iq to shill ai.
>>107784596>karen from hrHasn't she been already replaced by agentic AI?
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>>107784574>chatgpt 5.2 is fasteryes>more reliableyes>cheaperno, not by a long shot
>>107784611nop.just as someone has to make coffeesomeone else has to give ass>>107784622hopes and aspirations
>>107784574>Sam Lambert. Building at PlanetScale.Better learn to horseback ride because we dont use cars here>horse renter
>>107784574AI shill shilling AI. It's an AD you dumbass. They will say anything to make you believe AI is so fucking amazing. It's not.
>>107784574https://youtube.com/shorts/Ioi7DPTHG6A?si=wHF_mkWFY1u9-6Yq
>>107784752shes annoyingalso shareholders dont carewhat happens is a company gets successful with some productsgoes publicfinduciary obligations kick in, which means maximizing profit at all coststhat means reducing the workforce, and the retard nigger c suites are not technical peopletheyre not even smart to be honestand so they swallow the aihype hook line and sinkershatbots dont workoutsource to india doesnt workcompany goes to shit but shareholders dont care, they sell their bags to dumb moneydumb money is left holding the bagceo gets a golden parachute bc hes been a good boirinse and repeatthay dont give half a fuck about long term stuff there always will be companies going public
>>107784752This is the kind of woman that creates sons with mother problems
>>107784622>no, not by a long shotThe prices of these services will inevitably rise over time, AI companies are currently operating at a loss due to the massive infrastructure costs involved as we are still in the “entrapment” phase, where organizations rush to fire employees and rely exclusively on AI software. Once that happened , prices will increase steadily.execs learned fuckjing nothing from the cloud shitshowwe used to laugh at companies that went under because someone forgot to shut down an AWS EC2 instance. The same thing will happen again, this time with AI agents.The current cost of AI is nowhere near sustainable for long-term profitability, these systems will cost more than several full-time employees very soon.
AI shill shills Ai threads should be used to hang OP
>>107784843Open source models that are catching up force them to lower pricesIn the end AI capabilities will get commoditization
>>107784843>>107784875>2023 : agi in 2mw>2024 : agi in 2mw>2025 : agi in 2mw>2026 : agi in 2mwshatbots are a fundamentally flawed technologydoesnt matter how many niggerwatts of power you throw at the problem, the technology just isnt suitable for that purposeyour fantasies are based on fucktarded ass-umptions
whats funny is that most agents applications are just shit at all.erlang if you want to set up something with dozens of LLM who will explode your token counts
>>107784918You are ignoring the performance improvements that have yielded just from scaling compute and improvements in training techniques
>>107785111>look, we have made improvements in solving color based grid puzzlesok, and how does that relate to programming?20 x 0 is still 0
>>107784918Do you enjoy being wrong? You've been wrong about literally every statement you made about LLMs for the last 3 years>>107785132>How does fluid intelligence relate to programmingYou wouldn't understand.
>>107785151if you can’t explain, neither do you
>>107784574this is a hobby forum, no one here gives a fucktry linkedin or something for this meaningless crap
>>107785111>>107785132contalsoanother thing in your mental retardation-you think the origin of the line sits in 2020 or solol. lmao eventry 1950's, the maths originate from even earlier than thathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perceptronpicrel if youre too thick to understand what im saying
>>107784752Lol I like it >>107785151I'll bet you stand to make money from AI somehow and don't like the idea that it might not pan out how you thought.
>>107785206if he made money off the thing he would have been making money, not malding at us for saying his religion is fucktarded
>>107785206>>107785217Keep your AIDS away from me faggots. If you can't see the value in literally everyone who can speak becoming a programmer then you are a lost cause.
>>107785245>nooooooooooooooo i dont see it i dont hear itur retarded. as in: arrested development
>>107785245>you can't see the value in literally everyone who can speak becoming a programmerI can, I've seen how Windows 11 works.
The common people are the instrument through which a nation exercises its power.
>>107785245What are you even saying? This is like the idea that the sewing machine could make everyone a seamstress.
>>107785301hes having a melty because were dismantling his reddit religion
what does "orchestrate and use agents" even mean? setting up shit like claude and knowing how to ask llms things so that they don't make so many mistakes?
>>107785345(nta)im an esl and even i know what that word meansread a book, niggerare you a zoomie? stop watching cocomelon, its making you dumb
what does this orchestration shit even mean
>>107784574what happens when all of those sr engineers start retiring and there are no juniors who have learned?>>107785339it's the current AI buzzword set. wait 3 months and all the time you put into learning it will be wasted as something new emerges. don't listen to this shit advice--this puts at the tail end of the chain and everybody above you can jerk you around.
>>107785383being serious all the time is boring
>>107784875You need 20k hardware to run those models as agents which you need for SWE.
>>107785407>pathetic attempt at relaunching this creative writing thread>>>/lit/>>>/x/>>>/lgbt/
>>107784574the point is to train the next generation
>>107785445shatbots wont be replacing anything anytime soon.
>>107785445The final frontier
>>107785186>you think the origin of the line sits in 2020 or soYeah because we are looking at progress of LLMs performance
>>107785407For now
>>107784574even if that statement was true (it's not, to call it idiotic is an understatement) how do you imagine new senior devs come to be? magic?
>>107784592embracing his inner saar.
>>107784843>The prices of these services will inevitably rise over time, AI companies are currently operating at a loss due to the massive infrastructure costs involved as we are still in the “entrapment” phaseObviously because that's how every single "cloud" operator operated in the 10's. Undercut on prem just long enough for the on prem hardware to all be decommissioned and now jack up the prices.The same exact thing will be done now, except instead of a capex trap it's a human resources trap.
>>107786257that's an issue for the next quarter
>we doesn'treally says it all
>companies are thirsty for AI agentsFake and gay. Last year I took my time to take some online courses and certifications on AI in general, specially in agentic AI.I still receive a lot of recruiters' messages on LinkedIn but none of those looking were there for "AI expertise", they just calling me because I put fucking webshit (C++, Java and React) on my resume. That's literally all that there is. Yurop btw, maybe it's different in the US?
>>107784611as someone else mentioned in diff breas, there's no amount of money they wont pay to keep women in daycare job roles to prevent them from breeding.
>>107784574This guy should get chatgpt to write his tweets>We doesn't hire
>>107784574>doesnt hire junior devs to save money>all senior devs retire 20 years later>now no more juniors/mid level devs so no on can fill the holes left by senior devs.>tech collapses because ai agents trained on jeet and retard code can't fully debug itself
>>107787852chatbots wont be replacing anything anytime soonno, junior jobs are getting outsourced to india
>>107787898so tech collapses because senior jeets will ruin it, big difference
>>107784611lol go and try removing those parasites yourself, see how that goes
>>107784611no, they still need women for the jewish daycare shit so they can't have kids
>>107784574Because chat gpt refuses basically all commands and tasks now?
>>107789213It had gotten pretty noticeably worse in the last ~9 months
>not a single "OP is a faggot" in the entire threadY'all love this shit, don't you, you fucking subhumans.
>>107789633It's a hot topic
>>107784752She's right, but is annoying.
>artificial engagement is a "hot topic" nowTell me again how autistic people are immune to propaganda, I can do with a laugh.
>>107789663AI (kind of) exists and we are discussing it. Which part is propaganda?
What, and further engage with it? Pffff.You got your warning.
>>107784574Buy an ad, faggot
>>107784574We still very much need jr devs at my company. LLMs can't into C/C++, and even the biggest data center models don't have close to enough context to encompass a large project. I would avoid any webshitter jobs though, focus your skillset on native desktop applications and embedded systems.>t. senior dev
You hire juniors because you want people to replace the seniors when they leave.If you are treating your juniors as employees that won't climb the ladder, don't be surprised when one day your code base gets rewritten in React because "that's what I'm familiar with".
>>107784574>What is the point of junior devs when chatgpt 5.2 is faster, cheaper, and more reliable?there is none. we haven't hired juniors for 4 years and we're unlikely to restart any time soon. >but muh junior -> senior dev pipelinenot my problem and it can only benefit me. an "experienced dev shortage crisis" just means a higher tc for me.
>>107789931There can't possibly be any downsides!
>>107784574Why does /g/ get spammed with slop salesmen tweets all day?
>>107784617never participate in the whiteboard jew tests. always say "whats the point, to show I can use a for loop?" 10/10 success rate for me
>>107790223because we btfod their narrative of "muh shatbots will replace everything"so they settle on the next best:gaining and maintaining mindshare- they do their best to make us think and talk about aigiven the tranime/consumergroid spam that appeared alongside it, it wouldnt surprise me the shills enrolled /lgbt/'s help
>>107784609>that picFucking kek
>>107784622Please explain. Pricing for both Claude and Codex pretty much maxes out at a few hundred per user per month. Even a fresh grad in a very LCOL country is going to cost more.
>>107790744that's just the price they charge you now not the actual cost. Once companies are reliant on AI the pricing will be jacked up, but until they make it more efficient they'll still be losing money
>>107791038ok, that goes completely against the trend of things getting cheaper over time, but sure, maybe that will buck the trend of human developmentwhy should people stop paying for the cheaper option now because you predict it will get more expensive?
>>107791052nah it's like Netflix
>>107791052>that goes completely against the trend of things getting cheaper over timeThat's no longer "the" trend really.
>>107791052Actually products with a strong vendor lock-in, or mono/duopolies do *not* get cheaper over time at all. Especially when they're initially marketed as a loss leader.AI is going to be both of these things. Just throw enough investment capital into being the cheapest until all competing platforms are defunct.This happens constantly, why do you think companies want you to use the cloud so god damn badly? Cloud hosting prices in the last years have gone up, a lot.
how do you get mid and senior level workers if no one hires the entry level ones? this seems like it would cause problems in the longer term.
>>107791362Yeah, but in the meantime it's shit for juniors.
>>107791052Remember Azure?
>>107784574> cheap> fast> qualityPick 2.
>>107791038There's genuine competition though (at least three competing companies with viable frontier models).
>>107784574I am just fed up with all the pseuds in tech. Listening to these people 50 hours a week is so demoralising. Think it's time to become a truck driver.
>>107784574He is 100% correct. LLMs already can do any junior work with ease and at a record speeds. Latest Claude can produce as much correct and usable code in a day, as 10 juns will spend a year shitting out and debugging.>But muh seniors!Will also be replaced soon. Current seniors together with LLMs will perfect the technology, and by the time they retire, there will be NO need to hire any software engineer ever.
>>107791052Grug thinks AI is immune to enshittification lol!
>>107791362The line must go up
>>107789834>native desktop applicationsWho still makes or uses those in an age when even Outlook was replaced by an electr*n app?
>>107784574>we doesn't
>>107784574>every study has shown AI actually slows people down instead of speeding them upsure sport; "faster".
Does anyone here actually code? Mf... try to agentic code yourself something. You will get a 500$ API bill because it retried the same commands and failed etc... Not a lot of internet left to train on. We are in the slim gains era. Luckily, its just good enough to run as a partner while you be the architect.
>>107789834>C/C++hopefully not some legacy codenase, ...right?
>>107784574When is we getting covid check?
Claude couldn't even make a fizzbuzz program without an indian larping as the ai.Just check the variable names and it is all the same from their books.
>>107784611>Hasn't she been already replaced by agentic AI?Someone has to fire the humans and write the ads, AI doesn't do it reliably.And be a dating pool for executives of course.
>>107784574>>107789931What kinda junior devs are you hiring if they're less reliable than chatGPT? Rather sounds like an HR issue.
>>107784736The op is a bot pushing advertisements, too.What are you trying to achieve by barking at it?
>>107794139I was gonna say... at least junior devs gives code that'll usually compile.
>>107784574ChatGPT is faster, cheaper, and less reliable for anything other than markdown languages. It can’t produce sensical C or ASM. It even fucks up simple tasks in lisp.
>>107784574Juniors can also use carlgpt
>>107794211claude opus does that already.>>107794050>muh variable names without specifying naming convention opinion discarded
>>107793365If AI gets good enough to replace software devs, AI will also be good enough to replace any product or service being sold by the companies that no longer hire software devs.It's like a snake eating it's own tail. AI isn't just going to fire employees, software like salesforce is doomed, turbo tax is doomed, companies that offer services like that are all doomed.Let's say turbo tax fires it's software devs to use AI, why would I pay turbo tax instead of using AI directly?
>>107793812No way man the growth is exponential we've never seen any technology reach a plateau before ever
