> 400Wh / 1kg> 100% charge in 5 minutes> no rare earths> cheaper than lithium> 100000 cycles> -30º c to 100ºc operating temperature range> no fire riskWtf? Legit or bullshit?
>>107788487>no link>no nothing
>>107788487forgot linkhttps://zagdaily.com/trends/donut-lab-unveils-industry-first-solid-state-ev-battery/
Would you trust in a company that doesn't understand the meaning of "%"? Hello.
>>107788487>battery techAssume it's gay, fake and a gay fake until (You) personally hold it in your hands and can verify the claims. Then continue to assume the above until enough other people also confirm your findings.
>>107788516>>107788513If it is was a publicly traded company i would be almost convinced is some bullshit like Theranos, but is a private company.Name of the company is Donut, the ceo is a lardass and they dont say what exact chemistry is being used on it.I mean i want it to be true but is just too good to be true.
oh cool a finnish company is worth a trillion dollars with zero patents
>>107788666unholy checked
>>107788516This. Only battery that are real are the mass produced ones.
Time for that turtle looking motherfucker to turn it into a video on future battery tech.
I watched some 20m+ vid on their youtube channel and all it does is mention some bullshit unknown partner companies and no mention of any independant testing anywhere, or patents, or anything that would substantiate value, + a lot of pictures and renders of literal black boxes.Im not sure what the scam is tho. How are they making money off this
>>107788487Solid state? Like a solid state SSD?
>>107788487>nobody company comes out and claims to be offering a battery cell with a solid electrolyte Probably a scam
>>107788783>How are they making money off thisPrivate investors.
>>107788549All start ups are private companies because that makes easier to bullshit and use obscure financing.Their goal is being acquired (aka being a PITA for larger companies) or reach the IPO with enough smoke and mirrors to sell out the shares at the high pressure before its value is too low and ending as penny stock.
>>107788924>pressurePricelol
>>107788549Private companies lie even more to atract future investors when public trading startsPublicly traded companies cannot lie at the magnitude private companies canThey still lie but not as much as private company that plans to go public does.
What if you don't care about the battery blowing up? I feel like there could be a big market for that. Like kamikaze drones. They're supposed to blow up anyways.
has there been some shit going on in the battery industry lately? does it have anything to do with the price of silver skyrocketing?
>>107788516https://www.vergemotorcycles.com/ you can buy a motorcycle with the op company's battery right now for $30,000
>>107788864This. >>107788796>>107788810>>107789316I assume this is a graphene battery. Which no one's figured out how to build at scale yet
Here's the CEOs previous venture. I guess their superintelligence didnt worked? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilgJKjiDLV8
>>107789478Lol maybe superintelligence figured out how to scale the carbon battery. Fountain of youth next.
>>107788492>>107788487>>107788497>>107788516>>107788549This thing is bullshit, that's why only retarded blogs even talk about this PR nonsense.
>>107788487>Finnish company>operating out of Las VegasThe last time Europe came out with "game changing" battery technology, it was all a scam, with investors losing $7B+.This one is also a scam, and will scam investors out of billions as well.If battery technology is not coming out of China, then assume it's 100% a scam.
>>107788487>battery breakthrough #51987641892265412864
>>107788796>Like a solid state SSD?Yes.As in, no liquid electrolyte.>>107789475>I assume this is a graphene battery.Based on?With mention about lacking reliance on 'rare earths' we can prolly rule out lithium... But solid state sodium has potential....>>107791275>If battery technology is not coming out of China, then assume it's 100% a scam.Toyota had solid state lithium for a while. Claim they've cracked scaling it, and it'll be in vehicles 2028 ish... They seem reliable....But yeah, I've been saying "If china don't beat toyota to market"....
>>107788487Sounds like a tech-bro VC scam product.
>>107791383>Toyota had solid state lithium for a while. Claim they've cracked scaling it, and it'll be in vehicles 2028 ish... They seem reliable....http://www.electric-vehiclenews.com/2010/12/toyota-announces-4-layer-all-solid.htmlhttps://phys.org/news/2012-09-toyota-solid-state-lithium-superionic.htmlhttps://www.thedrive.com/tech/42287/toyota-is-road-testing-a-prototype-solid-state-battery-evToyota claimed they were working on a solid state battery ever since 2010. Every year they say they have a "working prototype". You can go back to as early as 2019 for them saying they have it, and will show case it at the Tokyo Olympics (didn't). Every year since then, they say "next year".Toyota works on the same Elon timeline of the Tesla Roadster coming out in 2017.
>>107788487>> no fire riskIf it has a lot of energy, there is a fire risk.
>>107788513Lol that settles it. Scam.
>>107788487>400Wh in 5 minutes That would imply they're charging it at 4800WSounds like a fucking explosive
Next gen batteries needed asap
>>107791656They have 1000000W (1MW) EV chargers now.This is obviously an investor scam but it wouldn't even be an order of magnitude faster than current batteries.
>>107791275>If battery technology is not coming out of China, then assume it's 100% a scam.What kind of retarded reverse pshychology powermove is that?!China hasn't come up with anything of value since gunpowder.
My phone lasts like 2 days with an old school lithium batteryWhat is the use case?
>>107791383>Li>rare earthsShut up retard.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_element
>>107791383I based the graphene battery claim on the idea that a solid state and uses no Rare Earth materials. Also that it has a near instantaneous charge rate. All of those are also benefits of graphene batteries which are basically carbon capacitors with massive capacity. I'm dubious as to these guys have been the ones to figure it out, you can easily build a graphene battery yourself on the bench but scaling to production and having it survive daily use is the real problem
>>107791528A carbon based battery at least wouldn't create a metal fire that you can't put out because it doesn't use oxygen. But you're correct anything that can store energy is going to be inherently dangerous at some level>>107791431New battery technology has been right around the corner literally forever. If they actually come up with a truly improved Next Generation battery it would be massive news on the order of room temperature superconductor.
>>107788487>gaynigger company name "donut labs"it's a scam.
ai psychosis fueled investor scam
> here's the billion dollar battery factory
>>107788487too good to be true
>>107795610CEO is a serial entrepreneur codetranny type. really makes you think.
reading more it's not a battery even though marketed as such, it's likely a superconductor-battery hybrid of sorts.I guess as they're going to be installed from this day onwards to verge cycles, we'll see how the promises are kept this year
BUY MY BATTERY
>>107795757so this donut eater bought a company that was developing this kind of tech earlier
and further investigationhttps://x.com/LinusEkenstam/status/2008643160017453395t. >>107795827>>107795757>>107795610
>>107788487>bullshit
>>107788513State of Charge % (normalized)
>>107795633I hope it is
>>107795827Where is that image from?
>>107793296>SEAMonkey can't see anything beyond his gacha slop portallmao
>>107796293>normalized %LMAO EVENState of charge already is the proportion from 0 to 1, if you specify % you literally multiplied it by 100 (the literal meaning of per-centage)
why is nobody talking about roborigger
>>107796484N*
>>107796339linkedin
way too good to be true. 100% scam and the reason there's a grain of curiosity is because there's nordoid people behind it. they have a record of doing stuff silently.
>>107788864private investors demand patents so the rest of the industry doesnt disassemble one then start building them from day one
>>107796152>words words words wordsNo thanks, I've gotten my fill of AI slop today
>>107793235you misunderstand. if tech is valuable and not a big scam, china will dupe it and ship it faster than the original. retard since china hasn't done it with this battery then its 100% fake.
>>107788549>they dont say what exact chemistryits a solid state battery, no battery chemistry involved.
>>107793235>The boomer stuck in 1968
>>107796684>He's too retarded to understand that a battery by definition relies on Redox reactions, thus CHEMISTRY. Capacitors and pseudocapacitors work without chemical reactions.Imbecile.
>>107789413Boy, what a logo lmao
>>107796788kek
>>107795772This is what i am thinking as well
>>107796684You know what i mean.
>>107789413https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verge
>>107795827> most generic battery pic ever, probably ai art> no details on chemistry Lol he's trolling for fools.
>major battery companies nowhere near production ready solid state batteries>random finn already manufacturing them in the woods
>>107798697actually the company is based in estonia
>>107798778Thats likely because of tax reasons. You dont have to pay company taxes for profits unless youre taking money out of the company
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2008554842332225705.htmlthis guy seems more hopeful about it, except he seems to suggest the batteries are made using atomic layer disposition which screams being able to make high density batteries that are impossible to scale
>>107788487there's been news about a new revolutionary battery tech once every 6-12 months going as far back as 2000 - that I remember. We got nothing new since, except maybe Gallium nitride chargers but that's not battery related. Even Lithium-Ion is 90s tech.
>>107800630>that are impossible to scaleHow can batteries be impossible to scale? If you can make a small battery, you can just put lots of those in series & parallel.
>>107800734you need to do it fast and cost effectivelyif you need the equivalent of a tsmc plant to make some batteries that cost thousands theres no point
>>107800957I see, you mean scaling the production not scaling the actual batteries.
Looking at Finnish news, Nordic Nano Group, who apparently are responsible for manufacturing these, employed a total of 9 people in September.That should tell you everything.
>>107801795What about the motorbike company using their batteries? Those are shipping this quarter, are they exit scamming to that extreme of a degree?
>>107791275>If battery technology is not coming out of China, then assume it's 100% a scam.kek cope, if it's from china, it's 100% fake. turdie take are hot today
>>107796685>the US can't kidnap and replace any world leader in 3 hourskeep crying commie, your'e next
Lots of innovation in battery technology has to be dropped because they require rare earth
>>107788487>-30ºwhy is it so rusophobic?
>>107791275Tbh, Northvolt was not a scam, they just failed to make it work and produce good yields with low prices, so they went bankrupt, and with the Chinese putting their factories in the EU, the window of opportunity for tariffing import batteries has closed.
>>107795652Yeah if you look on their website, they have like 5 industry beating super-magic products in different domains like motors, software, controller boards etc.They're just a failed wannabe automotive supplier that wants to build some buzz.
>>107796152This is some stock peddler guy, zero technical insight, broken clock
>>107788487Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.I don't buy it until it's in production for the general public and can be vetted by independent people. So many "revolutionary" devices have been announced and turned out to be either lies or impossible to mass produce, that I don't waste my time hoping otherwise.
>>107802878>so rusophobicyou stupid mongol-ziggerFirst check current li-ion\LTO\LFP temperature specsFor last 10 years you can't find car or energy storage without preheating\coolant built-in system>>107788487every fucken year someone screaming about revolution and solid state. In fucken lab you can create even artificial sun. Tell us when this shit be PRODUCTION READY
>>107798778The "factory" is in Imatra in Finland.
>>107788487room temp superconductor 2
>>107788487>-30 CThat's too high.
>>107801998>t /k/retin
>>107796293Lost. Thank you, Anon.
>>107789316>has there been some shit going on in the battery industry lately? does it have anything to do with the price of silver skyrocketing?my normie friend who watches investor youtubers tried telling me its because of batteries but it jsut looks like correction to me because gold went up and the gold to silver ratio was massive already. historically its between 1:10 - 1:30 but it was at like 1:60 its just correction. silver is a heavily manipulated market and people started wanting to cash in their paper silver which doesnt actually exist
>>107788487Name of the company sounds like some western hedge fund scam. If it doesn't have some chink name like linglong nothing will come out of it.
>>107788487>Legit or bullshitbullshit
>>107791275I hate germans so much, I'm german and ever since I started to learn english and started watching and talking to exclusively english people I've started to hate everything about this placethe language is soulless much like the people, the humor is trash when compared to everything else, no creativity, the women are trash the cities are trash.only good thing about this place are autobahns and crypto taxevery time I look at a company and see that the ceo is german I disregard the entire thing, and I get proven right time and time again when those same companies end up going bankrupt or pulling the rug just look at the DAX performance index, this entire place is a fucking joke
>>107788487Sounds like another scam meant to steal money from private investors or by getting bought out
If this was anyone else but Finns, I'd call absolute bullshit on it.However if there's one group of people who are likely to have solved a complex problem in all silence with a small group of people and then releasing a finished product, it's the Finns.I give this a higher chance of being legit than being a scam.
>>107804822post nose
Lets assume this is real, what would happen if these went into mass production?
>>107805881Nothing. The world is awash with shitty luxury EVs that depreciate dollars a day despite all the gay fancy tech, because underneath it all lies the even gayer hassidic panopticon. We want the Ford Focus version of a BYD Dolphin with a price to match and will also last 20 years that only communicates to let you know its fucked up somehow.
>>107805940Well if they are cheaper than lithium and provide similar or greater power density, we would at least see phones and laptops that only take minutes to fully charge rather than hours and last for days rather than hours. Cars charging in minutes would also be a massive improvement
>>107805881So imagine if a battery the size of a modern 9 V battery had the equivalent amount of power as a Tesla EV. What sort of changes would you expect to see? Everything would have a small battery in it, power tools, handheld would become much more powerful. Scooters and motorcycles would be more powerful and faster. Cars would be smaller and lighter. You might actually see a passenger flying EV commercially. Getting power density up is massively transformative to a society.
>>107788513This is clearly a figure generated by a marketing person, probably AI.>>107788516Absolutely this. Right now the company is probably clamoring for investors because its running short on cash, and so it's putting out wild claims like this. I imagine they'll be dissolving soon.
>>107805979Even if it did exist, it can't be both better and cheaper. Where do you think the silver solid state batteries are going? These losers have done the math, and most people, even with gas cars, only make 3 or 4 trips of more than 100 miles one way a year. So people with electric cars either budget for the extra time, carpool and rent a larger vehicle, or use their other gas car to make the trip. No one except the stupid will buy the newer tech, which will inevitably come with more spyware panopticon bullshit, just to save a combined hour driving 3 states/provinces/countries over to visit extended family. EREVs will make even pickup trucks get 45mpg highway without ever stopping to charge.
>>107788513>charge 0.9 % in 6 minutesEmbarrassing. My $150 phone charges 1 % per 2 minutes
>>107806148And it takes away part of your battery's lifespan as well
>>107805786Fuck off. The majority in germany are biologically jewish and they hate Germans. To someone who doesn’t know that it looks like “WOW Germans hate themselves”.It’s much worse. There’s about 30 million actual kikes in Germany whom you wouldn’t recognize as kikes, people looking like Oliver (((Kahn))) (from Cohen) or Jens Lehmann (remember Lehmann brothers?)they HATE everything german and are destroying it with a passion. And as an outsider who doesn’t know that, you’re like “wow I can’t believe the Germans hate themselves so much”.
>>107806102>it can't be both better and cheaperOf course it can. It might start off more expensive but as mass production scales up it will end up cheaper if the production costs are cheaper
Sounds legit lmao
>>107795610toppest kek
>>107800630>>107801795Finland has been a key player in the history of ALD (Atomic Layer Deposition). Looking through the details the scientist studied in Tampere university which has been involved in the research in this technology as well. Finns are generally very honest and it would be a total social, business and academic suicide for that company if they are scamming with this. The guy presenting this has sold his former company to SAP so they have delivered before. I'd say I 'll wait and see before calling this a fraud.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_layer_deposition
>>107807664It is
>>107806102>can't be both better and cheaper.Actual breakthrough tech is, yes. This is bullshit though. >>107808265Idgaf where they're from, the published info is too thin to be believable. They're con men running a con.
>>107801805The CEO of the motorcycle company is Tuomo Lehtimäki the brother of the fatso Marko Lehtimäki. The smart trailer company Cova Power is a joint venture between Donut Labs and Ahola Group. Watt Electric Vehicles i haven't been able to dig out if it's a joint venture too.Now Ahola Group has a revenue of +100M€ and isn't some scam shell company, but it's really suspicious to name companies that use your batteries without disclosing you're actually involved in that company. Taken together with this super intelligence buzz crap he has done, if i was an investor i would be already sharpening my pitchfork.>>107789478Mr. Donut says their factory already has a 1 GWh/a capacity. That's not some small prototype lab output but a small factory. May anyone see it? I didn't think so.https://youtu.be/eGw-Wm4fyGI&t=354
>>107805605Because a Finn has never scammed anyone selling battery vaporware. If you ever have money to invest, stick to indexes and stuff, you're obviously too gullible to make judgement calls.https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_PartanenRainer Partanen (born 21 December 1939[1]) is a Finnish owner of the Europositron company who has been convicted of aggravated fraud. According to a police investigation, he sold an imaginative invention through his company for 1.3 million euros.
>>107811880>I give this a higher chance of being legit Might want to take few more English lessons if you somehow thought that means that "Finns have never and will never scam people."Yeah no shit there's scams happening in every nation you idiot.However when it comes to the frequency of scams and how readily people engage in activity of getting money from investors for nothing, the chance of it happening is radically lower in Finland compared to practically any other place on earth.Especially when the claim is that they have a finished product ready to ship. It's a bit hard to milk the investor for infinite money if you already claim to have a finished product ready to be produced.If it's a scam it's the worst possible way of going about it, because investors will simply say>Show me the product and give us the dataand if they don't have the finished product or the data, then the money won't be invested. Simple as that.
