DHH went on Corpo Facebook to talk about how wonderful was to work with AI agents.Are we fucked already? Is this the point of no return?
>>107793679This is all lies and smokeandmirrors for line must go upAll of these fucks have their money bets on AI Dont trust anyone, look for companies that implemented AIMircosoft is so desperate in its bet they turned Office to Copilot Office, while staying same old officeInsanity
>>107793679I don't understand all the euphoria about being able to mass produce code.Code is a liability. Every line of code is another roll at Russian Roulette where you might end up with a critical production bug. The less code (including libraries and existing infrastructure you are building on top) you need to do something, the better. So far, good human programmers are uniquely capable at doing a lot by writing relatively little code compared to human or AI slop. If that ever changes and AI starts writing tasteful and concise code, then it will probably be much better than us at the vast majority of things.
>>107793679He's right and DHH is based. If you can't produce good results with LLMs it's a skill issue.
>>107793772it matters if you are interested in shipping
>>107793793Maybe in the short term to get an MVP out, but the effect of having a good codebase compounds over time for long-term projects.
>>107793679who is this dude and why should I care about his opinion
>>107793811that doesn't matter for startup bros, they just get VC money then get bought out and make another slopup
>>107793829he created ruby on rails so you shouldn't
>>107793793I care about writting good software, the rest is noise to my ears, it will ship when it's done or tehy'll have to fire me, gladly I live in a commie cesspool so they can't fire me and they have to deal with the reality that good software can't be shipped fast.I don't give a fuck about the next quarter earnings, I'm here for a few years so i'll write code that 3 years older me can still maintain, not my company, not my problem, you should not have hired me in the first place if you wanted to ship barely working slop to meet deadlines taht will result in multiple formal complaints from clients who will stop using your products as soon as they can.everyone knows who jump where clients complain, not the business morons who can't write a contract for shit but the small-hands who write the code, thanks but no thanks, a missed deadline is a management issue, not a engineer one.I'm not a webslopper, I write C and C++ software with a bit of driver/firmware stuff, everyone knows that except if you're building fucking rockets, specs are approximate, incompatible with themselves, change depending on weather, AI can only do so much if your requirements are written by retarded adult-toddlers, most likely MBAs.
>>107793841a webshitter.. I'll just hate him for ruining society then.
>>107793679whomst?
>>107793793>shippinglike in with a boat?
>>107793679Are you saying Omarchy was developed by chatting to a bullshit generator?
>>107793892>, it will ship when it's done or tehy'll have to fire me,If you actually had a job you would have been fired a long time ago. You don't decided the ship date, the bean counters do.
>>107793914No, like releasing product to end users
>>107794108>If you actually had a job you would have been fired a long time ago.nope, it's never anyone's fault in a socialist cesspool, there is no concept of personal responsiblity.>You don't decided the ship date, the bean counters do.and they can go fuck themselves, kindly. we ship twice a year at best so it does not really matter to me, our next deadling is somewhere in june and we'll deliver before that because there are only good swe in my team.
>>107793679learn to drawunironically learn to draw. it won't be long before everyone but the imageboard autists realize how soulless emotions in diffusion based art truly are (and, owing to the architecture, impossible to prompt your way out of)
>>107794709>learn2drawlol, lmao even! The best selling manga out there is completely AI generated, moron. Most people simply don't care about "soul", they just want shit done.https://kotaku.com/one-of-the-best-selling-manga-in-japan-right-now-was-made-by-ai-2000657158
>>107794709>>107794786The only people who care about "soul" are artists in a state of coping because they know that 99.9% of people don't care at all about AI-generated content. The truth is, you'll need to step down from the stage and make way for the next step in human evolution. Anyone who is against AI is against the advancement of the human race and should be exterminated. Your luck is that the government still suffers a lot of lobbying from Luddite movements, but never forget that the overwhelming majority of the population hates artists, and the only reason you exist to this day is simply because we couldn't replace you before; now we can.You can cry all you want, the truth is that AI already performs better than most artists and most programmers. Yes, there are artists who are completely exceptional, but they are a minority, not you. You're just another crappy "artist" who learned to draw a few lines in Photoshop; any modern AI can produce infinitely better things than you.The same goes for programmers. They keep saying AI code is ~le bad, but they never even point out the flaws, they just repeat them. It's simply cope. There are exceptional programmers, but, just like artists, they are a select group of people, not you. Any modern LLM can produce better code than most senior programmers today. It's better to just accept it and look for another profession while there's still time. We, AIchads, have won.
>>107794856>exceptionalyoure very flattering, but im merely competent
>>107793679Who the fuck is dhh lmfao and why would anyone care about some fag getting even more upset than john microsoft did at the word "slop"?Honestly I feel these people are brain damaged and I don't mean that in the "haha funny" way and mean like they are medically unfit to survive in the world without a handler.
>>107795170theres another option: they get paid
>>107794856Taking all of what you said for granted:>We, AIchadsReally? What frontier lab do you work at? How many papers have you published? How many H100s do you own? How much capital have you raised from this AI wave?
>>107795234AIchads = people who use AI to make money. It's not that hard actually. In the last 6 months I created 8 SaaS being 2 of them kinda successful, at least it pays me more than my last job, so I'm completely okay with that. No fucking way a solo programmer could roll out 8 SaaS in a few months, but with AI that's possible.
>>107797310>In the last 6 months I created 8 SaaS being 2 of them kinda successful, at least it pays me more than my last job, so I'm completely okay with thatNice larp retard, you haven’t made shit
>>107795145gpt hasn't seen how the switch case gets optimized into the exact same assembly as an if-chain. Isn't it just syntax sugar(a pretty nice one at that)?iirc if you just do a single assignment on either switch case or if-chain it will optimize it into CMOV.Don't remember even if CMOV can be used twice in a row, but given that GCC-5 on my windows 98/me machine began to segmentation fault each time I tried to inline-assembly 2 CMOVs in a row in.I will take it as a hint that this is forbidden form of assembly witchcraft, gcc didn't expect anyone to be this retarded.
>>107797366I guess I could store a flag register on the stack and restore it between uses, right?
>>107797383anti-branch predictor programming
>>107793679He's unfortunately correct. I kind of reversed my opinions when I relented and subscribed to Claude over the winter break.I legit got like 9 months worth of work done in 4 or 5 days on my side projects. These weren't trivial projects either, one was an interpreter for a scripting language I wrote in ANSI C.The tools are actually fairly good if you have an established codebase. It even followed my weird C formatting style.It produced shit within from-scratch projects with no established patterns. But honestly, I've worked at boring, comfy non-tech companies in the midwest and I've seen similar slop in industry.I don't think we're fucked as in "programmers are literally going to be replaced" but I think we're fucked as in "once the AI bubble pops and we're all laid off, normie developers are going to be rehired at 'glorified secretary' level salaries."
>>107797366>>107797383i couldnt telli dont do asm. i barely can decode itbut a chain of ifs compiles into something else than the switch fallthrough.heres some sample code:https://godbolt.org/z/Kjcz7Ko7Phttps://godbolt.org/z/WE6oP5KGhwith -O0 its not even close, theres 4 conditional jumps in the switch fallthrough method, 6 with the ifs.and the idea is to avoid cache misses with the switch fallthrough methodwith -O3 things seem to be still in favor of the switch fallthrough, but theres only one line of difference, and an equal number of jumps so its possible the difference is negligible. but to be honest i have not much of an idea about whats actually going onthe if statement form seems to be more optimized though, and the switch fallthrough seems to confuse the compiler a little.also i think theres redundant jumps. but obv im not sure but thats on gcc. on clang with -O0 the if chain wins, but with -O3 the switch fallthrough has 9 less instructions. no of jumps is the same, and the general flow of the program seems to make more sense
>>107797366>and the general flow of the program seems to make more sense*compared to what gcc produced.not comparing the ifs chain to a switch fallthrough
>>107793679why did he type so much
>>107798089hes paid by the word?
literally who
>>107793772>Every line of code is another roll at Russian Roulette where you might end up with a critical production bug.Microsoft got their Azure master key stolen because it was included in a crash dump, SolarWinds caused tens of thousands of companies to be infected via updates because of pure retardation, do I even need to mention CrowdStrike? At the same time AWS/Cloudflare take half the global internet down every other day because oops I am literally illiterate but we NEED to rewrite everything in rust in production and you are pretending that anyone even pretends to give a shit about bugs anymore?
>>107793679>I'm nowhere close to the the claims of having agents write 90%+ of the codepussy ass nigga, rip the band-aid off already>muh "code quality">muh cohesionNO LONGER NEEDEDsay it, pussy!
>>107798161>code quality and cohesion no longer needed>suddenly- clownstrike in your path, teleports behind you, whispers in your ear:>nothing personnel, kid>and then bsod's your entire infrastructure
>>107798186>clownstrike in your pathdeveloped by humans btw, maybe if they mastered modern tools and ai-generated some tests, this wouldn't have happened
>>107798196dw, theres more of that where it came fromabsolutely ai-related this time>ask ai to generate testslamao its like asking a criminal to investigate themselves
>>107798216>microshit>mastering anythingskill issue: the company
>>107798238your post made me kek hard enough to screenshot itbut the bigger picture is that if microshit engineers cant get ai right, its stands to reason very few people can, and its rate of adoption will be very low
>>107797310>8 SaaSWhat service do they provide?
>>107794786astroturfed gukslop
>>107798238>>107798257thus- to spell it out-ai programming IS NOT the future+ other things like we have alternative technologies to solve the problem of increasing code throughput that actually work. like model based design and the fact that from there generating code, and tests is a matter of translation, not generation
>>107798257>if the biggest, most street shitting, curry gorilla niggers on the face of the earth can't work with AI no one canWhat did he mean by this?
>>107798257I bet at microshart they're not even allowed to use modern tools like cursor or claude code, and are forced to use some not-invented-here ai clown shit that outputs garbage, same thing at meta and other clownpanies that are made out of tech politician parasites>>107798277>ai programming IS NOT the futureit is the present, and it is the future>generating code, and tests is a matter of translationgreat idea grandpa, that didn't work in 1992, and still doesn't work now
>>107798323>muh jeetseveryone is outsourcing to india. this is gonna be a generalized problem>he>gregarious formulationah, a cum afficionado i seereddit's down the street, to the left
>>107798324>it is the present, and it is the futureyeah, sure, ofc, mh-hmmthats why everything gets outsourced to india, obviously
>>107798216Is there any proof that the lines of code that provoked those problems were written by AI? As far as I know, Microshart isn't using AI in their core components, only in UI related things. Also, any piece of tech used by billions of people will eventually have problems. You show that pic as if before AI Windows was such a brilliant piece of flawless technology, but it was very buggy and error prone without AI. The same goes for companies like KikeFlare, Jewgle etc. Massive problems always existed, it's not something new that only happened because of AI.Stop being dishonest.The company I work for also tells the world we're using AI for everything, that we write like millions of LOC every fucking day, but in reality most of our code is still done by hand due to compliance laws, specially in the squad I'm in. We can't really use AI even if we wanted, only for some user-facing features like UI and public APIs.
>>107798368>The company I work for also tells the world we're using AI for everything, that we write like millions of LOC every fucking day, but in reality most of our code is still done by hand due to compliance laws, specially in the squad I'm in. We can't really use AI even if we wanted, only for some user-facing features like UI and public APIs.>Stop being dishonest. quite literally:no, u
>>107798359>open-source hobbyists struggle to use toolswhat about people who have jobs?>early 2025they should redo the study with opus 4.5
>DHH went on Corpo Facebook to talk about how wonderful was to work with AI agents.>Are we fucked already? Is this the point of no return?
>>107798386>what about people who have jobs?like microsoft's staff?
>>107798342How nu?
>>muh jeets>everyone is outsourcing to india. this is gonna be a generalized problem>>he>>gregarious formulation>ah, a cum afficionado i see>reddit's down the street, to the left
>>107798425are you implying youre a confrmgroid posting on 4 chan?then you should have went back a while ago, kek
>are you implying youre a confrmgroid posting on 4 chan?>then you should have went back a while ago, kek
>>107794096Yes. I won't bother trying to dig it up but he had a post on X how AI is wonderful for doing bash. Omarchy is mostly rice and bash scripts.
>>107798257>>107798277>>107798359Two more weeks until it's gone forever!
>>107793679Keep in mind this is Andreas Kling's lifetime hero, so Ladybird will be the first AI-only web browser
>>107794786“Bestselling” lists on unauditable online stores are useless. They’re heavily massaged to increase profitability, and the integrity of the data is basically inconsequential. Amazon e.t.c. don’t care if you game the system as long as they get their cut. This is just like retards going “this AI song topped one specific category of Billboard on Spotify, it must be true and genuine interest and not someone botting shit for cheap publicity”. Fuckwits like you see it and believe it. If something is supposedly popular, and you’ve not heard anything about it, it isn’t popular, and it’s being astroturfed. Anything with genuine popularity amongst humans will slowly begin being mentioned, and then eventually you’ll see articles. If it occurs the other way round, someone is bullshitting.
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