because of AI and LLMs. This is YOUR fault. https://github.com/tailwindlabs/tailwindcss.com/pull/2388#issuecomment-3717222957
>>107799660>shits up HTML and CSS for the next decades because retarded react devs are too stupid to separate CSS from JSX>fucking dies
>engineering team>for a style sheet
It boggles my mind how someone can make money with reinventing inline css...I literally hardcode everything in the tag and it works for me. It's not 1990s anymore. There is no need to create a giant CSS file and JS file to make loading faster....
>web traffic DOWN 40 percent>dev team DOWN 75%>traffic UP 300%It's so over for OSS.
>create free shit>dont make money???
>>107799802Oh they make money, but only in the most retarded ways possible.
>>107799821they also have the most generic component library you can imagine for sale https://tailwindcss.com/plusits just they cant make 1m/month now for bullshitremember when they stole a competitor's JIT compiler? https://antfu.me/posts/windicss-and-tailwind-jit
>>107799660>we literally had to lay off 75% of the team yesterdayHow is there a team for a fucking CSS framework.How are there enough people on the team that you can fire 75% of them which implies at least four people.
>>107799843Wow they sell templates. That's a new and novel idea and totally not a dead market 15 fucking years ago. Really boggles the mind how this isn't enough to fund 20 or however many fucking people they hired.
>>107799660> Putting<html STYLE="css:here;"></html>> needs 50+ enegineersHuh? Doesn't W3C and the HTML/CSS standards mandate that being possible since CSS 1.0?
<html STYLE="css:here;"></html>
>>107799660even when im looking up basic shit thats not official windows api docs or something of that tier, out of the first 10 links 7 are blogpost tier dogshit of someone paid to write out 1k words, writing 4 paragraphs of bullshit before showing some irrelevant boilerplate code and buried in the 7th paragraph i get to the definition that i needeven when i literally know what site has the info i need and where it is on it on the page, alongside using bang search syntax to very quickly get into the site i need, its still literally faster to just ask an ai in less words for the hyperspecific example it will return instantly.there just isnt a need anymore.for most programmers to go directly to the docs most of the time.
>>107799660uh oh
It's honestly hard for me to feel bad for them. Why should a CSS library have staff? This is destined to become community maintained. Survive off of sponsors from large companies that rely on it. I don't get it.
>AI slop killing TailwindThanks, Satan.
>>107799660.........They expected money?
>utility class css garbage is dyingBased....
Wouldn't it be better to create an anti-AI license like GPL? All you niggas do all day is to cry like babies because AI took your code/drawing, but you do shit to prevent that. At least with some GPL-like license you could at least prevent Sam Altman using your precious twitter clone.
>>107799660>Create MIT licensed product>Nasty people and LLM's "steal it"I love how "AI" is blamed for the recession.
<ai data-prompt="Make the site have a white background" />
>>107799660Excellent, now the retards of htmx please.
>>107799843>stoleI assumed you meant they incorporated some MIT/BSD project in a legal but unethical way.After looking at your link, do I understand correctly that the only thing they "stole" was an idea?
>>107799660>AI cancer kills garbage library that shouldn't exist to begin with
>>107799660Sorry, winner takes all
>>107799660atomic css is so fucking stupid..it is great that it is being murdered.
>>107799660>4 people>Creators of Tailwind CSS and Headless UI, and authors of Refactoring UI.uh.... why are they being paid?how have you not heard of advertising?
>>107802664>>107800342they made sure that it gets unreadable by design in hopes that companies will hire them to refactor their mess.and ai broke that scam.
>>107799660make the newer versions paid then. is he retarded?
>>107799890Fucking this. Good riddance desu. The entire concept of Tailwind is retarded and has been retarded forever. People used to warn against inline styles for a good reason but now they're suddenly ok because react retards don't know how to style their components otherwise?
What do you need fancy css for outside of making neocities slop?
how do you even monetise css classes
i thought for a moment this was about tailscale and was actually sorta worried but its just some random front end niggery who gives a SHIT GET FUCKED LMAO
>>107804406poorly
Highest midwit per post ratio in the entire site right now>muh tailwind is inline cssYou niggers are fucking retarded, holy shit
>>107804449hi adam
>>107804449>react """developer"""Words can't describe how little I care about your opinion. Cry more.
>>107799660I never understood the need. CSS is already human readable, what difference is it to use your own or someone elses styling you can comprehend fully instead of a megabloat of lines and unreadable classes other than "it's popular". well now that reason is gone so so much for that...
>>107799660>the docs are the only way people find out about our commercial productsThis seems like a self inflicted problem.
>>107799660>because of AI and LLMs.>This is YOUR fault.It's the future you voted for.
i hate any css framework, because it difficult for to create proper dark-mode userscript.
>>107799660Don't forget they blew their cash on paying engineers $200k+ salaries lmao.
why the fuck would anyone build their business on css shorthands. I'm even using it and could dump their ass tomorrow by migrating to scss. how are they even making money to begin with?
>>107804449So what is it? I can write a python script that generates 1000s of css classes and copy-paste that into my project. Don't even need to npm install tailwind. This is 99% of people's use case.What else do they provide?
>>107799660Oh no, greedy faggots don't get to make money off of morons.What ever shall we do?
>>107799843>remember when they stole a competitor's JIT compiler?And they still recommended them...
>>107799660>I can't shove adware down my users throat anymore.I don't see a problem here.
>>107805386>killing open source software's few profits is great actually
>>107805400if your "open source software" is nothing but a product funnel wearing a poorly-designed foss costume, it deserves to be killed with extreme prejudice.
I used tailwind in the past and its certainly ergonomic but let's be honest: if your website isn't slop you don't need that shit you can just use a css file and classes.
What even is this asinine bullshit? It makes the CSS I wrote for shitty forums in the early 2000s look clean and professional.
Why do I even need tailwind to begin with? CSS should be enough.
>>107799660tailwind devs made money?
>>107799670Poetic - ain't it?Just desserts, as far as I'm concerned.
Useless frameworks that keep reinventing the wheel without solving any real problems is what made me hate coding and I am happy tailwind dies.
>>107799660just use a big tech license where companies with $1M+ in revenue have to pay and make it free for the rest.
>>107799660CSS is already shit easy to do. If you need this, please go work at a place where they put fries in a bag. Get the fuck out of this industry. Same with you javascript tards. get the fuck out or learn to code.
>>107806010>what made me hate codinghaving to think made you hate coding. so leave. if you need people to hold your hand all the time, you are not coding. coding is enjoyable if you stop being a retard.
>>107799905I assume corporations are making use of Tailwind? Why don't they fund the operation as a non-profit?
>>107799660Good. Fuck fakedevs.
they lowered the bar so that retards can pile into this industry and be "devs" but yet they can't code fucking hello world.
Good It was terrible and designed to make CSS an even bigger messOnce Refactoring UI was announced it's clear what the scam was the whole time Now their garbage is not even touched by humans and they have no "solution" to sell for the problems they created
>>107799671>>for a style sheetAnd the last time I checked this shit, it didn't even come with preconfigured components ala primeng but you had to add like 200 different css classes to reach a fully functional and stylized component.
>>107804449Educate us king of midwits. What Tailwind is and how is it not just "inline css with extra steps"
You seemed to miss the point.We use OSS to do our jobs, to build products. But the second a maintainer mentions compensation, we lose our fucking minds. "It should be free." "That's not the open source way."You are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
>>107808358hi adam
>>107808370You've missed. Again.
>>107799660Get a real job hippie
>>107800773>Anti AI GPL is anti AI, but the retards at the FSF won't enforce it. If I copy code from GPL software I can't get sued and forced to open source my shit, but if AI copies from GPL software its totally fine because nobody sues and anyone in big tech is above the law. The only license that stops AI is proprietary because they can't slurp what isn't public.
>>107799660never heard of this shit before therefore it's worthless, good riddance, whatever it is.
Lmao Google bailed them out
did I get this right?>guy makes FOSS software>puts donation button in the documentation>people use langmodels instead of reading the docs so they don't see the donation button>donations go down
>>107805400When open source dies, literally every meaningful project's time estimates will triple, as you can't just piece together libraries anymore. Probably will ultimately increase developer demand.
>>107805400Tailwind sucks, chud. I'm happy it's dying.
>>107804449>webshitter mad we misgendered xer faggot frameworkcry more jeet
Is paying for tailwind the new paying for winrar
>>107799660>we are dying AI took err jewbs!!!>we are bigger than ever before!!!well which one is it?
>artists>twitter fags>actors>Tailwind ""developers""It's incredible how AI is consistently screwing all the right people. It's like the AIDS in the 80s.
>>107809297Calling webjeets developers is like calling office roasties who write word and excel developers
>>107799660Wait this is a business?
>>107809297>>107809308calling the niggers getting fucked 'people' also isn't correct
>>107809317I don’t think you truly understand what is meant by “webshitter”
>i see here on your resume you have 10 years of programming experience. that's wonderful, what language?>uh, css
>>107799660>This is YOUR fault. based me
>>107799660>AI is outcompeting incompetent peopleand this is a bad thing?
>>107809324we'll let it slide man, the point was made
>>107799660>75% of our engineering teamSo 3 out of 4 people? That was 3-people too many for an open source project.
>>107804449I don't like tailwind although it introduced a couple good ideas but it's not i line css and you guys show that you don't know the shit you talk about.
>>107800048(((Berg)))
>>107799660i dont understand the usage of webshit frameworks to begin with. in the end its more time consuming to learn a framework than stuff itself and when switching framework you have to start from zero again
if ai can btfo your product to the point where revenue is down 80% then chances are it's a shitty product
>>107799660Tailwind was pointless to begin with. You're forced to use node.js to compile their crap. It's just unnecessary overhead. I don't see their naming conventions for CSS offering any advantage to your own custom naming conventions. You need still need to know CSS in order to understand the library. If you already know CSS, why do you even need Tailwind and the extra work on top of it?
>>107799660>tailwindHonestly a very shit approach to CSS and UI work compared to just making self-contained components normally like you would in React, Vue, Svelte, or plain shadow DOM.Also, the fuck do they even need an engineering team for? What tailwind does is so simple that it can be developed and maintained by just a single senior engineer.>>107800641There's nothing inherently wrong with using utility classes sometimes. The problem is the all-in approach, that shit doesn't make sense at all.>>107808611No, actually you missed a step.>add AI instructions to your docs to make them LLM-friendlyThey basically killed themselves by feeding their docs directly to all AI scrapers. Most devs are no longer using documentation. They either directly ask AI for help or have AI baked into their code editors for code completion.>>107811354You're not far off. It's pretty shit and it's not even popular enough for people to care if it dies.
>>107799660Hopefully all of these meme frameworks die out
>>107809393Honestly, not sure if this is webshitter problem or fossfag problem lol
how much excess html bloat did tailwind cause on a global scale (bandwidth and caching) for shit like a simple button having a paragraph worth of "inline css"
1M for 4 four devs total is now a bankrupt trigger. Why are software engineers so entitled?
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