i learned about it recently and it seems quite cool, but i don't even know if i would need it. i'm not a researcher or a writer, i just have a very overactive internal monologue (sometimes i can kinda space out and live in my head) and i want to be able to form a personal "knowledge base" to organize my interests/values/things ive learned/even just things i need to do. what do you use it for? or is it just one of those things where people use it for a week and then forget about it forever?
I never figured out how this is supposed to be better than markdown files stored in a git repo.
>>107801238>i don't even know if i would need it>if i would need it>I: Pronoun: Singular: the one who is speaking or writingYou don't.>i want to be able to form a personal "knowledge base"Bookstack
>>107801238I only use Obsidian for games but I figure that any responsible adult will need someplace to put notes about things like when his roof was last replaced It’s OK to start out with a folder full of text files and then try stuff out from there if you get dissatisfied with search or formattingt. uses Ulysses
>>107801238>found out about it>looks cool>so many features>OK, I'll start taking notes now>never do>paid for entire year
>>107801267If you put it in a Git repo it will be a bunch of markdown files in a Git repoAnd that’s a good thingBases like https://help.obsidian.md/bases/create-base are harder to explain the utility of unless “noSQL flat-file database” sounds interesting to you
>>107801326Figuring out what you’re going to want to know in a year or five or whatever but have a good chance of forgetting between now and then is hard
>>107801238the rule of thumb is to start using it for what you do until you grow into something more complicated.in any case there are a lot of alternatives like logseq
>>107801238I use it because of linux. Its important to remember exactly how ive customized a tool/package/etc or configured something that needed tweaking. Every time I install something thats new or unfamiliar, i'll write a terse description of the process, the commands ive run in terminal, WHY something was done, results and future plans.Things ive documented like this:>Setting up a valheim server on a lenovo tiny pc>Setting up a Squad server on the tiny pc>Initial OS setup>Updating ubiquiti router firmware and changing network settings>installing and setting up nextcloud>Updating bios/firmware on tiny pc>Recording the process/commands to update debian 12 to 13>other stuff i cant remember off the top of my headIts also been useful for online training courses, good for doing a brain dump i can search later as needed. A personal library is actually quite useful, but you dont even know how useful it is until it starts to grow in size.I have also obsidian for planning non-tech stuff, just recording notes, links, parts/products for other hobbies or life needs.
>>107801326>paid???????
>>107801238There is no free or paid good equivalent to OneNote
20% of my time using it is spent in these overwhelming indecision spirals, obsessing over things like how I should organize my vault, how my notes should be formatted, etc. The remaining 80% of the time it's comfy though.
>>107801904interesting, thanks for sharing how you use it!
I just use it type notes during lectures. That's the only way I'll concentrate but I never go back to the notes they just stick to my head as long as I'm paying some attention. Sometimes I write ideas there but for that I prefer paper
I use this to keep notes together in one place at work. Occasionally I have to do something out of the ordinary and have to use software I'm not very familiar with or research something that's a bit out of my field. I use almost none of its functionality. Why Obsidian over the competitors? It was the first one I tried and it hasn't pissed me off yet.Why Obsidian over text files? Explorer sucks ass.
>>107801238its just a good editor for the zettelkasten structure style of a personal wiki. I use org-roam though because I was already an emacs user>>107801267>markdown files stored in a git repo.you just described obsidian
>>107801238No, because the average joe is has no thoughts worth committing onto paper.
>>107801238It's good for organized long-term notes. If you don't have a messy 5mb .txt file with assorted notes screaming to get organized, you don't need it (yet).>>107801326>paid for a free software>frogposterunderstandable
>>107801238I use it for my extremely autistically detailed smut setting's worldbuilding and it's been great. I couldn't possibly imagine using it in my daily life, I think people who feel the need to write everything they do every day down are kind of irredeemably brain broken tbquitedesu. Oooh oh no I need my computer to think for me, just shut upIt's also been great for learning CSS since I can do all sorts of dumb shit with the formatting.
>>107801238I just use it for todo lists and references for personal projects (procedures to configure/update the server and stuff)I just pointed it to a dropbox folder and it saves all the md files in there so they are synced between devices
>>107803306Consider moving away from managed solutions (especially dropbox) and embracing self hosted tools like nextcloud.
>>107801238It's electronslop. It's better to use normal text editor.
>i'm not a researcher The ONE THING every researcher needs is annotation and citation management. All I want is to be able to annotate and highlight different parts of different documents and link them
>>107801326Uh that's a free man. Whom did you send your mom's money to again?
Guys your life is not that important nor are you that busy, you don't need a fucking note taking app unless you have dementia, you go to work and come home to your PC, get real.
>>107803772Yes but its nice to remember how i setup a gameserver i use every 3 months that needs to be updated before i can use it again. Its nice to be able to read that and remember, instead of bumbling around over SSH and hoping i dont waste too much time or break something.other people are more complicated than your dollar general customers you seem to think they are
>>107803455normal text editor can't render mermaid charts
>>107803772you don't work from home? lmao
>>107801238I just use vimwiki in a terminal that spawns at startup. It uses the vimwiki fold expression, so all I have to do is go to the folded header and press zz (I rebound toggle fold). Folds are automatically nested according to the header depth. You can make links to webpages and files, which are handled with xdg-open.
>>107801238syncthing. laptop desktop ipad phones.>ipadexcalidraw plugin, write with apple pencil>phonesreview, quick notes>laptop desktopbackup to emacs
>>107801267To me, the only real advantage is the WYSIWYG editor.
>>107801238bro. once you start you can't stop. Having a second brain is the best. You can even link it with ai to have your second brain supercharged.
I use it to organize research notes but, honestly, it hasn't made me any more productive. If anything, it makes me procrastinate on writing the actual paper. Instead of writing the paper, I keep jotting down my thoughts in bits and pieces on Obsidian. Obsidian might very well be an anti-productivity tool.
>>107805530broooooo I'm going to supercharge my dick in to your bussy!!!
>>107801238It's okay. I dumped my life into it and it has been lifesaver several times.
>MUH OBSIDIANMARKOR>MARKORMARKORand use SYNCHTHING for your MUH CLOUD.
I use Zim, I just liked that it was super lightweight and it looked nice. Not a huge fan of the newest UI so I'm on an old version though.
org-mode with org-roam is better and free
>>107801238Zettelkasten are not productivity tools. They are tools used for generating unique insights across decades of research.
>>107801238I like when I do [[]] and it's like a link that I can go back to.
>>107801267wouldn't the git repo be public?
Anyone use it on both a computer and a phone? How do you manage your vault? Two different vaults? Same vault synced?Lately I got the idea that the phone vault could be a folder in the PC vault. Then you can have separate settings and less files on your phone while still keeping the two connected.
>>107808952What I do is use Emacs on PC and Markor on phone, and the txt, md, or org files are synced by Syncthing.
>>107801267It does exactly that, and it's meant for normies like me that don't understand git.It works for me lol.
>>107801238I use it for organizing worldbuilding notes and TTRPG rules. Being able to link between notes is nice for those projects, but if you don't have a use for that then you're probably better off with any old text editor.
>>107801238>is it just one of those things where people use it for a week and then forget about it forever?Probably, but that's true of most habit changes and self-improvement projects. That's how people are.>i want to be able to form a personal "knowledge base" to organize my interests/values/things ive learned/even just things i need to do.My advice is to start with simple tools (like a physical notebook or plain-text files). If those notes become a big part of your life after a few months, think about converting to a more sophisticated tool.
>>107808887Only if you wanted it to be.
>>107801238A friend of mine is using it to write his novels.He seems to like it a lot.
I dislike the lack of a native way to handle markdown that is outside of the vault. Ideally I could just one off edit markdown files or even link markdown files that are part of separate project files but connected like cousins or something.
>>107801238>personal "knowledge base"It is called your brain anon.
>>107803384I would love to have a decent self hosted dropbox alternative, but alas, there are none.Nextcloud seems bloated and unreliable from what I read.
>>107811128>dropbox alternativeHave you heard of https://syncthing.net yet?
>>107808887You don't have to make it public.You can have a private repo on GitHub.Or you can have a private repo on your own Linux/macOS computer and use git+ssh to connect to it and update things when you're on the same LAN as your desktop (or use something like Tailscale).
>>107806686pretty
>>107810781I can't ctrl+f my brain
>>107811338Nta but this thing doesn't seem to preserve original timestamps.
>>107801238I use it for personal life stuff, not just work. It's like a journal and scratchbook for me. The vast majority of the shit I write is never looked at again, but I do search for things there occasionally. I plan to automate its organization using LLM as well, let it format it properly and use tags and shit.I also use it heavily for my profession, but that's not "average joe" usecase.>>107801267It is extremely user friendly, and has tons of useful plugins from the community.>>107802047For hand-writing stuff on a tablet, I find Squid better than OneNote for the simple fact I can use my pen for writing and my finger for erasing. In OneNote I need to keep switching from pen mode to eraser mode. Squid's problem is that essential stuff are paywalled and their implementation of the infinite board is amateur-ish (when you pan sideways through the infinite board, it doesn't load the new area until you release your fingers - it looks bad)>>107803772I have a house that needs the occasional maintenence. Same with my car. Hell, same with my body. I write down all sorts of shit that I might need remembering in several years. Also, forcing yourself to write down stuff makes you remember it better and organizes your thoughts better.>>107810781>autist can't grasp the concept of forgetfulnessYour brain might have perfect memory, but our brains spend too much brain juice on stuff that simply don't exist in yours so as a consequence we are not as good at saving and/or retrieving memories. Do you know why writing systems evolved? Why we have books?
>>107801296I gave up on organizing. Google keep for notes, google drive for files and standard notes for secure notes. Big files/data synology drive.I tried it all, like one note, obsidian, some other obscure stuff nothing has good flow for me.
Its good for info dumps and other stuff that you wanna remember or learn.That said, I don't know how people use this as a 'to-do' list when something like Google Tasks exists which at the very least can sync between devices more easily.
>>107801904>Its important to remember exactly how ive customized a tool/package/etc or configured something that needed tweaking.It's already in the flake/overlay you made. Unless you're a retard who doesn't use nix
>>107801238lrn2 use a relational DB + BE lang + basic FE webit's a way to keep ur info ACTUALLY organized indexed, sortable, searchable, etc.
>>107801238Hmm, looks interesting. Surely this markdown editor is open source, I wonder what programming language they use...> google "obsidian github"Okay, they have github, but where's the application source code?> google "obsidian source code"> Obsidian's core application isn't open source, but it's built on open web technologies (Electron, JS, HTML, CSS)Wait, what?! What's the point of making such simple application proprietary and unfree? Guess they are hiding something nasty. Whew, that was close call, good thing I am so vigilant!
>>107812207it's like md but jon md compatible, simply epic, my take is that they should make standard md extension or fuck off
>>107801238You should be able to drag nodes together to link them and the fact you can't completely defeats the point of the program. Why not just use fucking notepad at that point?
Obsidian is great but the vocal minority of people who try to optimize the fuck out of a note making app is kind of schizophrenic. No better than the Notion-tards.
Proprietary malware. If you use this virus you are a /g/ tourist
>>107811338Yes, I heard about it.It stores does in its special snowflake format, so the original files are not accessible without the program, so you literally need to duplicate things with scripts, etc. It is also not a Dropbox alternative because you can't just selectively load a few files you need on mobile, you have to sync the entire collection.
Obsidian is good software when you manually disable 90% of the features and just keep one gigantic note that you endlessly add to.It's nice knowing I wont lose any info if the power goes out because of autosaving. And also the syncing is really nice. The UI/UX is quite good too.
>>107812207You should look into logseq. Turns your notes into SQL. Opensource.
>>107814373>Turns your notes into SQLwhy do I want this
>>107801238it's pretty fucking amazing actually.
>>107812097How do you avoid having a billion chaotic notes that you never use again because of how messy they are?
>>107813990>It stores does in its special snowflake format, so the original files are not accessible without the programstop lying bud
>>107812194faggot sperg
>>107814652Zettelkasten + let an LLM add tags and clean up each page.
>>107801238>journalinggood for several reasons, i have some plugin setups for that>note takingif you study anything deeply, languages, coding, etc, then its pretty nice>thinkingalso good>dealing with active projectsi use for that on a daily basis>why that over .txt files or a git with a bunch of markdown files?nicer UI, faster too, bunch of useful little things and plugins if you are into that
>>107801238I’m building an Obsidian alternative (native, not Electron). It’s compatible with plugins like Kanban, Excalidraw, Iconize, and Canvas, and it also includes some features that Obsidian doesn’t have. I’m thinking about monetizing it, but I’m not sure how. What features would you like to see, or would be willing to pay for?
>>107816307Pic related
>>107814652Every note links to at least one other note, most commonly index notes for topics and categories. Then in each of those index notes I list every note that links to it. It's gotten to a point where I never use search anymore, just click my way through from the home page to any note.
>>107816307Just do exactly as Obsidian, and you've won.Even better if you make opening things from the sidebar/search open a new tab by default.
>create tmp.txt file on desktop>write your notesyou need more?
