USB-C audio is lossless and superior
>>107802457Your mom gave me sloppy firsts, seconds, thirds, and fourths before I kicked her to the curb.
>>107802457I can't take anything GrapheneOS devs say seriously. They've said F-Droid is a heckin' security risk - isn't Android itself a giant fucking risk itself? If they actually were all that security-conscious GrapheneOS wouldn't exist in the first place.also>muh DAC bad qualitynot a problem on LG, kill pixeljeets LMAO
Jesus christ, what an idiotic thread.
I am already using airpods lol who cares about unc holes
>>107802457N
>>107802553^This. I haven't used wired headphones in like a decade. I really hate agree with anything Gayfren OS devs have to say tho.
>>107802457Ive been out of the loop with all these cables but surely every USB-C cable does not have a high end DAC built into it.
Literally whocarsIs whoever running that account trying to become le opinionated hot take brand or some shit?
>>107802581o
>>107802734It's a reply in a discussion on twitter to literal whos. So the participants might care. Why OP thought this would be good enough for a 4chan thread, I have no clue.
>>107802713The $10 Apple dongle has near-perfect measurements as long as you don't use low-impedance headphones with it. Audio codecs are a solved technology, smartphone manufacturers are just too greedy to properly implement onboard audio and inevitably skip on essential stuff. A well-integrated Realtek chip is all you need, the only relevant difference between DACs is the amp's power and impedance.
>>107802457You need to have your bussy checked for nigger aids.
>>107802457>you don't need itno jack, no charger- induction only, no sd card, no sim card,no removeable battery when?
>>107802713You have definitely been out of the loop. The death of the headphone jack spawned an entire category of high end tiny DAC/HPAs. Turns out the technology was always there, the market just wasn't ready.Between this and cheap TWS I consider the death of the headphone jack an unexpected net positive.
>>107802457With detachable cables death of 3.5 jack became kinda irrelevant. I just bought cables with integrated type-c dac on one end. I only use my headphones with my phone and laptop anyway.
On the other hand it just works.Simplicity and portability is what I need for a mobile device.
>>107802457Then where are all the usb-c headphones?
>>107802498Can't tell if you're retarded or baiting.
>>107802457yeah, i'm gonna think and make decisions for myself. crazy, i know.
>You NEED to update, goyim!!!!!>Don't you fucking DARE use anything that doesn't require a protocol!
My car has a tape player, so I use an aux tape with a 3.5mm plug that I play music from my phone with.
>>107803996Based, did that in my hachiroku, it was great.
>>107802457insert>the_/g/_phone_meme.png
headphone jack?
>>107803292When Apple works up the Courage™, the rest of the market pokes fun of them for a year, and then inevitably falls in line anyway because the iPhone is always the benchmark and they know it
>>107804080>pokes fun ofFun at*, gomen
>>107804080and finally, the no screen iphone
>>1078024573.5mm is low quality?WHAT?
At least adapters are pretty cheap.
>>107802457He's mostly right since only a couple phones ever used decent DAC/Amp. Only subhumans listen to music from their phone (or use bluetooth) though.
>>107804883Audio quality is a property of the DAC, not the physical jack.I saw the need to clarify that because drooling retards tend to assume a processor makes audio appear on wires through magic.
>>107805293>noooo you have to buy MORE plastic consumer gadgets!!!!
>>107803627thislmk when i can pick one up at dollar tree for $1.25 plus tax
>>107802457Max high functioning autistic behaviorHave fun doing math class for fun and doing really well at that but not so much at making friends or meeting womenGay ass nerdGetting picked on in class
>>107803627
>>107804060no need for one if its one second late in timeline
As if 99.99% of people can even tell any real difference.Audiophiles weren't able to tell a sound quality difference between a wire coat hanger and a 10k cable.Throw in the fact that a lot of the music is something downloaded from youtube and you're set for bullshit.Audio is the most snake oil ridden sector in existence.The only real difference in listening experience is what your headphones sound like, not whether you get few extra bits here or there.
headphone jacks are for grandmasusb-c is for dweebsbluetooth is for normal people
>>107803372Here's a (You), Rajeesh. Entertain me with your retarded explanation as to how a 3.5mm jack reduces phone's portability
ultimatly you shouldn't ,it will fuck up your ears
>>107803135My Apple dongle makes crackling noises when I use my $6 earphones. No problems on my PC.
>>107805679i just don't like more battery shit
>>107802457*ehem*
>>107802553>>107802670Enjoy the brain tumor
>>107805380It was terribly worded and make it sound like USB C is superior to 3.5mm, DAC explanation followup makes no sense when it was already sold a lie of "3.5mm is low quality" Which it isnt
>>107806023>>107805380It's not terribly wordedPost specifically mentioned 3.5mm audio quality *FROM PHONES*Audio from USB C has near limitless quality as you can attach any DAC, the DAC likely ends in a 3.5mm jack but the 3.5mm from DACs is not what's up for debate
>>107805812you realize that sending AC (i.e. what drives your headphones) through a wire puts out EM radiation too?
>>107806147What about it?
>>107802553Imagine having to charge your listening device
>>107806114>Post specifically mentioned 3.5mm audio quality *FROM PHONES*my LG V40 sounds great so that's also bullshit
>>107802457uh you either need to have a high quality DAC in the headphones themselves or else they will always need an analog connection, what the fuck is this retardation?
>>107802457Who cares if it's good or not, it's their fucking job to support it anyway. Lazy bastards.
>>107802457damnn, security autism hits differently.
Plug some USB-Curry up your fat fucking ass.
>>107806383>my exception beats any generalization
>>107806592Yes, it's just how it is. I don't make the rules.
>>107802457until you usb-c breaks from normal usethe worst that happens to a headphone jack is getting a little pocket lint in it and having to tweeze it out
>>107802457>universally low qualitystraight up untrue, the dac is part of the SoC, which has a very advanced processor, gpu, modem, dsp, a fuckton of other things, the dac is the cheapest (in terms of die space required) and easiest to design properly, if a chinkshit 5$ dongle is perfectly transparent, the DAC in most modern smartphone SoCs also is, all kinds of phones have been measured in the past (example: pixel 4a with snapdragon 730g https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/google-pixel-4a-smartphone-audio-review.16251/) and the audio quality is excellent>low powerths is often the case, yes (the same is true for the pixel 4a i gave an example), but it's not an issue for 99% of headphones, and is a design choice usually.>usb-c digital audio is lossless...it's technically not as it's still a digital to analog conversion, that will never be lossless, but if that is considered lossless a built in dac also is so... ?but most importantly: this just misses the fucking pointpeople don't want jacks for audio quality necessarily, they want it for convenience, i don't give a fuck if "an usb-c dongle sounds better" (not even true btw), just give me an headphone jack.and i also fail to see how "every phone built in jack sucks so it's better to no thave it" is an argument, just push for better jacks then? again, a 5$ chinkshit dongle off of aliexpress is perfect, so cost isn't a factor and this isn't some impossible to solve physics problem.tl:dr I hate the fucking graphene dev so fucking much, everything he says is retarded, and this is yet another retardation from him, stop listening to this retard.
>>107806699>tl:dr I hate the fucking graphene dev so fucking much, everything he says is retarded, and this is yet another retardation from him, stop listening to this retard.he has to defend pixel phones at all costs since that's the only phone his shitty ROM runs on
>>107802457The biggest problem is that USB-C cables are shit and in my experience have a really high failure rate.
>>107802457fucking faggote really arguing use wireless over a wire get fucked
>>107802457>I dont want to carry around dongles>I dont want to put more wear on the charging port>I want to be able to listen to music while it is charging>I dont give a shit about the superiority of usb-c marketing hype because 9 times out of 10 they aren't going to do it>I want to not be forced to use bluetooth>just put back the fucking 3.5mm jackwhy is this so diffcult?
>>107803135You can get something with a higher sampling rate than that. Some of the 32-bit/384kHz DACs don’t seem to be much bigger than the Apple one.>The Apple USB-C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Adapter supports a maximum sample rate of 24-bit/48 kHz
>>107806898>You can get something with a higher sampling rate than thatwhy would I get a useless placebo?
>>107806888>>I dont want to carry around donglesBeyerdynamic has a cable with an integrated DAC but it only works with headphones with Mini XLR.
>>107806888Adding an extra hole to the phone would increase manufacturing costs by 3 cents per phone, and that's just simply unacceptable to the bottom line.THINK OF THE INVESTORS
>>107805812>Can't even afford wireless headphonesEnjoy poverty
i wonder if there are malicious usb-c headphone jack adapters
>>107806719>that's the only phone his shitty ROM runs onWhy would he do that?
>>107806763Bro wants to go back micro USB lmao
>>107806982cause he's a google psyop to get schizos to buy into the google ecosystem
>>107802457how can one person have the most faggoted opinion on every topic?
>>107806995wasn't he supposed to be partnering with a manufacturer recently
>>107806995>into the google ecosystem>when it doesn't have the gay store nor needs a jewgle accountretard
>>107807009nah, grapheneOS supports the google play store and servicesbut trust me it's safe, it's sandboxedthere's no way Google could do anything to control your Google (TM) Pixel made by Google
>>107806944There must be some people that use wireless charging while using wired headphones.
>>107806992Back to 3.5 nigga. USB was not made for audio. You can get away with it at home when nothing moves but not outside.
>>107806939No charging while listening.
>No 3.5mm jack, no buy.>No removable battery, no buy.Simple as.
i agree on the quality bitfucking pseuds are pretending like phone audio is some high quality shit or that people want to have wires when walking aroundeven if you're an audio sperg you're using external dacs or shit built into your headphones
>>107807215The USB-C port lacking power can be fixed by adding a battery to the DAC, this makes the DAC a bit bigger but it works.
>>107807178are you a gaslighter? This cat told me the exact opposite yesterday
>>107804988I have this kind of adapter and it's the flimsiest piece of shit. It disconnects every time some slight pressure is applied to it. I have to restart the player each time. Fuck this shit and whoever decided to kill the 3.5 jack.
Just. Buy. AirPods.Holy shit I’ve spent years watching luddites sperg out about this shit.You’re forcing yourself to suffer for absolutely no reason. The universe doesn’t reward you for having everything in your life be shit and difficult,Just. Buy. AirPods.
>>107807480no thanks niggeri'm not putting anything in my ears ever againbone conduction for everything casual and a gaymer headset for a more hardcore/dedicated experience
>>107807480go back to the cvckshed
Bros, why hasn't there been a single company that picked up from where LG left? LG used to put hi-fi Quad DACs in their phones. They've been out of the smartphone industry for many years now and there hasn't been a single phone since then that put in a quality DAC and 3.5 jack on it?
>>107802457usb-c audio is completely useless the second you want to charge your phone, if phones had two ports then that wouldnt be a problem no im not buying an additional dongle, there is space enough for a second port, fuck off with your upselling jew shitso i am forced to return to >no headphone jack>no buysimple as
>>107802457>caring about audio qualityShiggy
>>107807480>everyone on the internet saying that the Apple DAC is good>buy it>try it>it’s shit>return itSome people are just more sensitive to audio quality than others >>107806898
>>107802457Daniel Micay is not an Audiophile and really should stay in his lane.
>>107802498>They've said F-Droid is a heckin' security riskAll of these are far points, but you are missing the context.Cybersecurity people want the whole supply chain to be point to point, when you have things like fdroid it undermines that system as now you have a man in the middle that compiles form source which excludes any signatures form the developer.But in reality that means you need to trust F-droid, that may be a bad or good thing depending on the person/ group or scenario.>isn't Android itself a giant fucking risk itself? Yes that's why google is trying to remove sideloading remember.>If they actually were all that security-conscious GrapheneOS wouldn't exist in the first place.Fair point, the mindset just doesn't make sense as you are completely undermining the security of an android phone...>But Graphene is secure?!Doesn't matter you are removing the OS form the pixel and change it to a 3rd party which you still need to trust at the end of the day.It's cybersecurity people being cybersecurity people, there is nothing you can do about it.
>just carry a shitload of dongles, bro
>>107807735>there is nothing you can do about itI can call them retards
>use random ass never updated jeet rom for ages without ever getting hackeduse case for "secure" roms?
Now I can listen to music OR charge my phone at the same time! Thanks Tim Apple!
>>107807758>>just carry a shitload of dongles, broBluetooth.
>>107807820>Just blast deadly radiation directly at your brain, bro
>>107807863>>Just blast deadly radiation directly at your brain, broWorks on my machine.
>>107807090>USB was not made for audioEvery soundcard nowadays is USB.
>>107807758I use cursed cables
>>107802457My Samsung Note 8 had a great DAC.Maybe people who care about music shouldn't buy the cheapest shitphone and read some reviews instead?
>>107803135>the only relevant difference between DACs is the amp's power and impedance.I can clearly hear the difference between my laptop's DAC and my PC's DAC regardless which headphones I try.DAC's are a solved technology but managers still find ways to skimp $0.05 and pick some utter trash.
>>107808009power issue, not dacnot really a problem on phone which are battery powered anyway
OK get this:USB-C plug ON THE HEADPHONES with 2 different cables included>USB-C to USB-Cand>USB-C to audio jackwho will dare complain?
>>107807263At that point just buy an MP3 player.Or someone could invent an MP3+phone, like a magical device that can both play music and communicate so you only have to carry around one device....
>>107802457akshually...in one of recent revisions of usb-c (as if this POS didn't have like 420 feature-set variations) support for "analog audio over usb-c" was removed
>>107808035My laptop also sounds far worse than the last phone I had that still had a 3.5mm jack.And like I said this is independent of the headphones/earphones I use so it's not just an impedance issue.I don't know how ASUS does it but they somehow manage to source garbage DAC's even when 99% are perfectly fine.Some manager probably gave himself a raise.
>>107806939My headphones have Mini XLR.But they have 4 pin Mini XLR and I'm guessing that thing has 3 pin?Guess I could add an adapter cable but then I might as well use any USB-C DAC.
>>107808109Yes, it’s 3 pin.
>>107802473sloppy means cum. you are now s faggot
>>107802457I still haven't seen anyone prove that commonplace DACs aren't good and someone can hear the difference between an expensive one and a cheap one. I'm sure you could easily measure it but that's entirely different from being able to pick it out in A/B.He's right that phones have shit headphone amps though. And TVs. And VR headsets. And any other category. I can't get my studio monitors to play bass on anything handheld. I just don't trust 3.5mm outs either.
>>107808009you're also hearing the amp
>>107806383LG was basically the only manufacturer that gave a shit about audio quality and now their phone division is fucking dead
Lots of people my age on /g/ had an lg v60. Or just older iphones in general which always had competent dacs. The graphene guy is just shilling his not yet released partner phone which is obviously not going to have 3.5mm.
>>107809844it's all so fucking transparent
>>107809844why would it have a 3.5mm jack? 99.99% of people don't use 3.5mm headphones anymore
>>107802457Ok give us two usb-c ports then.
>>107802457My Moondrop MIAD01 begs to differ.
>>107802457>jeetOSlol no shock
