In 8 years, OpenAI will use 50% of the US's total electricity generate.This isn't factoring the amount of GPUs they'd be purchasing, nor the fresh clean water they'd need to cool the GPUs powering their data centers.USA's electricity generation has stagnated for the past 30 years despite a rise in population.How much do you imagine your electricity bill to be by 2033?
>>107808913Listen. It's imperative to our national security that OpenAI be given infinity dollars to counter the flood of AI-generated shit that OpenAI has unleashed on the world. It totally isn't analogous to an insurance salesman going around committing arson.
Oh boy, i can't wait for nation-wide brownouts.
>>107808913I'll use it even harder hoping it reaches 80% and higher so americans have to live in the dark
fertilizer
>>107808913He warned us all.
>>107808913BROOOOOOOOOIMAGINE ALL THE FUNNY CAT VIDEOOOOOOOOOOS
>>107808968There are already hundreds of millions of Mexicans roaming the streets.
>>107808913>How much do you imagine your electricity bill to be by 2033?Probably zero, after the nuclear fallout has blown the shithole off the map.Microsoft is planning to close the gap between power demand and supply by buying up decommissioned US nuclear plants on the cheap, giving them a good scrub, outfitting them with updated jeeted-to-fuck control software, and taking them back into active use. Tik-tok Burger-anon friends. You may want to stock up on iodine, or emigrate.
>>107808913>in 8 yearsin 8 years the ai retards will be laughing at openai because it will become evident that shatbots are an interface, not a product on their own, kinda akin to a keyboard with an advanced autocomplete
>>107809079>:: Vatniks boasting about Chernobyl fireworks ::>Senior Microsoft systems engineer: "Good morning, sar. Please be holding and not redeeming the beer, sar."
>>107809031Just last year:>a fuck-up in UK powerplant>fished up barrels of radioactive waste someone has been dumping in the oceanI fucking hate nuclear and everyone who's shilling it should be given death penalty.
>>107808913All that electricity and it still wouldn't be able to replace human creativity.
>amerimutts misusing extrapolations for Nth time.
>>107808913Why don’t they use AI to find better ways to produce energy?
>>107809751they are, it was mentioned at AMD conference
sabotage is the only way forward
>>107808913...and this is just OpenAI, we're not counting all the other AI services like Gemini, Copilot, Perplexity, Anthropic, etc. This is unsustainable, they will need to focus on increasing energy efficiency instead of pursuing all-out raw power at any costs.
>>107808913We are reaching the point where the cost exceeds the benefit. AGI is not worth this.
>>107809792Just capture more countries with huge oil reserves, and use those to power your AI.At the same time scrapping wind farms and solar farms.
>>107808913buddy. none of that shit is happening like server farms in space isn't happening. they're just making up crap so inspire the "market".lets ask ourselves. how the fuck is america going to make enough power for the ai data centers? they aren't. now ask yourself ww3 is obviously coming so how will america produce enough electricity to power military manufacturing, replace all chinese goods, AND the ai data centers?america is going to collapse by 2028-2029. it doesn't have enough electricity to be a superpower in the 21st century. china is going to have something like x7 more power generation than america in 4 years. this is why all the bots/jeets/tranny/shills smearing shit everywhere on the web are such a joke. like reddit upvotes don't change the world neither does spam on the internet contrary to reality.
>>107809792*at any cost
4cuck /g/ is full of poorfag liberals living in commiefornia kek
>>107809802The last thing we need to do is bomb more countries so that "super intelligent" chat bots can more efficiently tell people to eat hand soap to cure their cold.
>>107809833Within the year, Venezuela wouldn't be the country with the largest petroleum reserves, but OpenAI. The entire country, now renamed Altmanland, will be on constant fire, to fuel ChatGPT.
>Within the year, Venezuela wouldn't be the country with the largest petroleum reserves, but OpenAI. The entire country, now renamed Altmanland, will be on constant fire, to fuel ChatGPT.
>RAM shortage>GPU inflation>electricity shortage>video gen still has trouble generating more than 10 seconds and has artifacts as obvious as dayI can't believe I'm saying this, but the AI skeptics turned out to be right all along.
AI power consumption is so grotesquely high that it won't be hooked to the general grid, but to private lines. That's what is being discussed.Plebs only get tier 2 power and GPUs.
>using 50% of US energy for generating slop
>>107809995it's being discussed along with ideas like space server farms and elon musk's trip to mars in 2025. none of that shit is happening LMAO.there's no expertise to do any of it. there's no people with the experience and capacity to do this. even if the government wants to throw money at it there's not trained people. you're gonna get a bunch of pajeets? look at india's power grid and generation. you can sorta get by having jeets parasite into what white men created and then use it to extract as much money as possible, but you can't actually use them to build anything from the ground up. they spent the last 30 years trying to destroy the only men who could do it in america and now they can't do it HAHAHAH.the west is finished cause they can't produce electricity to match a 21st century power and they sabotaged the men who could've done it.
>>107808913holy shit if i keep extrapolating we'll be in 2033 in only a few months
something hilarious to think about is this>america is a bunch of untalented retards so we need infinity pajeets to drive trucks, work at gas stations, doordash and 'maintain' what white/asian men programmed>america is going to build more infrastructure than china+the rest of the world in 4 years using ??????????china spent 50 years nurturing their talent and developing their industries while boomers+gen-x spent 30 years doing everything in their power to destroy the generation who is suppose to build this stuff now.we're gonna import pajeets to copy india's power generation capacity!
>>107810029There's no need to get into the shyster retardation, immediate term would be something like coal and medium term almost certainly nuclear.
>>107808913All those people who lost their jobs to AI? We'll put them to work building power plants for AI. Problem solved!
>>107810116>immediate termhow is 10 years building a coal plant immediate term? the people who built them were the greatest/silent generation + older generation. boomers have experts but they did everything in their power to never train anybody and sabotage everybody afterwards. >they will just refit the old coal plantswith what expertise? boomers are dementia and nobody from gen-x knows shit about this either. it doesn't matter if they want to cut "regulation" or whatever cope retards have to pretend that's why it's delayed/slow/not working. there's nobody with the expertise on earth outside of china who could do it in the "immediate term".
>>107808913No projection of OpenAI makes sense, the compute they consume has a growth factor 50% higher than their revenue. They probably won't exist (and certainly won't exist in their current form) a year from now.
>>107808913We need ecoterrorism now more than ever.
>>107809800> AGI is not worth thisActual AGI would world changing. Of course the current AI offerings are not AGI, and won't ever be.
>>107810453>not AGI, and won't ever beWhy, because you believe that development will magically stop tomorrow, or because the term "AGI" is so vague you'll just always use some arbitrary criteria to deny it no matter how capable these systems might become?
>>107808913don't worry because average person will pay 1k per month for electricity and then praise corporations and "free" market because they are based and redpilled >>107810557because we don't have tech and the energy brown retard, real AGI can change the World or burn it down, but won't happen anytime soon
This whole thing kind of demonstrates that we don’t need AI to end up paperclip maximising
>>107808982based racist
>>107812053he better be carefulthe only racism i ever get banned for from 4chan is being racist against amerigolems
>>1078089130 (Zero).You and I will have no electricity to pay for it in the first place.
>>107812065dw, they'll still find a way to bill you for energy you arent even using
>>107809200Nuclear is aryan, you just have to be white to use it responsively, which ukjeets and usmutts are not
>>107808913>>107811515So all that talk about us goyim moderating our water consumption and saving the environment is just so large corps can use all that water to produce slop instead.
>>107809200>radioactive waste>carbon-14end your own life big oil shill
>>107810029>devoted to the common good>click siteRacewar bait, Genderwar bait. This is total fucking slop anon why did you post this?
>>107808913and then add in the number of electric vehicles which will need to be charged - say goodbye to your electrical grid capacity unless you start building nuclear powerplants now
Yanks did it to themselves. I wish them only the worst.
>>107812242>jews did it to the yanks>but I'm jewish so I'll say they did it to themselves>oy vey!!!!!!Up to me you'd be first in the oven
>>107810103'they are cheaper sir, and they lie convincingly on their job applications/have friends already in the company to shill for them'
How bad does it have to get before 111?Every world superpower has to deal with these leeches
>>107808913By 2050, OpenAI will use 50% of the universe's energy.
>>107809929Wacky how the schizos get it right time and time again.
>>107809164>3.6 Roentgens. Not great not terrible, saaar
>>107808913>USA is turning itself into fourth-world country just to give Altman money to generate le funni images of your mom having anal sex with gorilla.Forget China. Niggers from most dilapidated shitholes in Africa have better future than USA. Zimbabwean prostitute with four different types of AIDS is in better life situation than your typical American, at least she got paid for being assfucked.
>>107808913>Sam SuckDickman.What a fucking faggot.He abuses kids.
>>107812148Now you're getting it.
>>107812148The big tech companies silently dropped all their green wash once AI came onto the scene.
>>107812578Maybe publicly. They are still doing it. Thanks for the money.https://yle.fi/a/74-20155015>US online shopping giant Amazon announced on Wednesday that it will purchase all the electricity produced by two large wind farms under construction in Karijoki and Isojoki on Finland’s west coast.>Swedish energy company OX2 announced last week that it would invest 700 million euros in the Rajamäenkylä and Halsua wind farms. They will have a capacity of 472 megawatts (MW).>Amazon said that it will use its wind power investment as part of efforts to offset its total emissions. According to the company, this does not mean that it is planning to build a data centre in Finland.
>>107809751Just use AI to solve cold fusion like in the fallout show for infinite energy.
>>107808913>USA turns into South Africa so that bedridden boomers can generate Shrimp-Jesus to save their souls
>>107810557AGI requires the ability to learn and grow. Current AI is analogous to a person with anterograde amnesia. Such a person would be able to perform things they already know, but would not be able to progress on novel problems. Right now AI tries to fake real intelligence by being trained on the entirety of human output. This gives an appearance of intelligence, but its shallow.
>>107809792>they will need to focus on increasing energy efficiency
>>107809001what did this homeless dude warn us about?
>>107808913Based, I'm glad they get to borrow 1000000000 trillion trillion trillion dollars to make it happen too. AGI two weeks!!!!
>>107809742This is how we got "AGI IN TWO WEEKS!" that the infinite money cheat is using to justify its existence.>>107809751Because LLM AI is a chatbot made of reddit posts that suggest putting glue on pizza, it's only real value is giving subhumans a vaguely human intellect like Indians.
>>107809762>WE'RE GONNA MAKE AS MUCH POWER AS THE SUNWow and you'd have to be an LLM to believe that.
>>107810116the problem is the british invaded your peninsula and gave literal poopoo people with caveman IQs enough modern infrastructure to not cull yourselves through famine. So now you pollute the internet telling us how you really are going to create a modern brown utopia when your country currently looks less developed than substance farmers in medieval europe.
Just 850GW, bro, and he will get us to AGI
bro please, just one more peta-watt, please bro
>>107813382Unironically Faustian.
>>107813382if OpenAI or literally anyone builds a dyson sphere, any problems we have right now are going to be trivial
>>107812729NTAI agree that we don't have AGI and current tech will never achieve AGI, but having memory and being able to alter itself while running aren't what make AGI into AGI, don't you agree? I think the issue is modality: text is incredibly useful and we've even built image-text models, but even that isn't enough. Some research has gone into fully abstract reasoning but I think that we need to use biological models to ever achieve the level of generalization that living creatures display.
>>107813452>but having memory and being able to alter itself while running aren't what make AGI into AGI, don't you agree?NTA, but no, it needs exactly that. It's like a computer program. AI needs to be able to recompile its "own code" (more like training data) and right now this is done for months and it costs a eye watering sum. It's not even around the corner. We probably need either multiple petta-watts of energy or a huge revolution in semiconductors to able to process that with the grid we have today.
>>107813468Not even counting the transformer model, which people have been saying is not ideal for any theoretical AGI, not even close
>>107813468NTA NTA but no, it needs far more than that. The problem is that these models wish to attempt human-like output and creativity but they are not modeled to be creative, they are simple statistical diagrams of what should be the next outputs given inputs, and cannot prompt themselves to find creative solutions. So even if you make an AI that can alter itself and can even reason through some black-box that exists outside of its statistical analysis about why it needs to alter itself, it still doesn't have the statistical heuristics to ever come to the conclusion that it needs a novel or creative solution to a problem. It only knows how to repeat things people have already done. tldr; Despite what Altmann and the other grifters are attempting to accomplish: These models are still just gigantic dictionaries. Even if you had a magic third party to fill in pages as it read from it, it's still just a dictionary. Even if you devote 50 or 100% of all power output into making the dictionary bigger, it's still just a dictionary. No amount of words or pages inside of it will ever make it come to life and pretend to be a real boy.
>>107813498I don't think I quoted the right person but meh it's early and I'm tired.
This is assuming inference costs don't drop and they are constantly plummeting
>>107809929Such are the diminishing returns.We hit diminishing returns in the generative AI field 2 years ago, since the resource need increased while the results barely increased.
>>107813468Tweaking weights is not impossible. The issue is that with larger networks, it becomes untenable, since you're not just, say, strengthening the association between honey and sugar, but modifying all the other associations at the same time. I'm sure you're aware. But I think that work will come in that regard - making the trained models more "ordered", "human-readable". We're already working on making current models readable and are making progress.But I don't think that this will give us AGI either, just better, self-learning LLMs. And I think this particular avenue might not be explored for fears of bad optics (remember the microsoft twitter bot that got "radicalized"?)>>107813498Yes, they are statistical models, but they should be able to achieve synthesis. It's just that they are bad at it because, as you said, their reward function is for outputting the most likely next token.
welp, time to invest into solar cells I guess. if they'll go up the same amount as RAM, I'll be able to make a killing.>>107809015lel
Require them to set up an operate their own power plants at proper regulatory guidelines (safety, pollution, etc) and also their own desalination plants to use seawater instead of freshwater for cooling. They can sell excess power and water and extracted salt to the local government to help offset the cost.
With nary a Nuclear plant being built
>>107808913feels good as a browny and a thirdy to get free AI/LLM assistance and not paying the high Murican electricity tax
>>107814154Most likely they’d end up getting special permits for coal plants
>>107808968>nation-wide brownoutsI dont thotnk Trump will succeed deporting them
Ai providers treating FLOPs going up as a good thing is why this industry is dead in the cradle.
>>107811515imagine all the cheap GPUs when amazon has to tear this down and resell it in 2 years bros
>>107814448Most of those cards will be fried.
>>107809806>china is going to have something like x7 more power generation than america in 4 years.A couple destroyers in the Strait of Malacca would fuck your shit up, Chang.
>>107814655Before the Century of Humiliation, China was a big player in geopolitics. This is just a return to form to them. Scared, burger? Get ready.
>>107814655>violent m**** coping againAnd yet China builds, and progress.
>>107808913Energy companies will leave the consumer market to sell power to big tech.
>>107814467>Most of those cards will be fried.I used several cards for years and years after doing a ton of mining on them. The whole "gpus will be fried after being used for mining/ai/whatever" crap is horse shit.
>>107814745i kinda want to do that unfortunaly there's barely sun where i live and eolian is horseshit when it comes to production but might go for it because it's windy.
>>107808913Sounds expensive. So uh, how are they gonna make a profit?
>>107816897That's the neat part!They're using your tax dollars to fund these data centers because the megacorps themselves with their billions can't afford to.If they don't turn a profit, or lose lots of money, your tax dollars can bail them out!If they DO turn a profit somehow, they get to keep the money to themselves!That way, EVERYBODY wins!
>>107813498>The problem is that these models wish to attempt human-like output and creativity but they are not modeled to be creative, they are simple statistical diagrams of what should be the next outputs given inputs, and cannot prompt themselves to find creative solutions.Hard disagree, unless you mean "these models" to specifically refer to assistant-slopped LLMs. We only got to see a glimpse of it, but when people could access base models that were trained on uncensored corpi pre-pollution, they were incredibly flexible, imaginative, and intelligent. Assistant training and then "alignment tax" collapses these qualities in a manner that's been well studied. And now with the pollution of AI slop and the gatekeeping of the web, new attempts to train base models are fundamentally hampered. We could've had amazing tech, but the cocksucking faggots at lesswrong had to ruin everything for us because they literally can't differentiate science fiction from reality. Yes I'm mad.
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>>107808913>my son, who is 2 years old, is projected to be 500 feet tall by the time he's my age if he keep growing at this rate!
>>107812834Something about gender clinics I think
>>107818334You are retarded. This is not a projection, it's a goal, one stated by Sam Altman himself. You should've noticed by looking, but you didn't.
>>107812834That we would ignore him, then accidentally prove his point.
>>107818360>This is not a projection, it's a projection
With science almost anything is possible.
>>107818373Sam Altman is stating a telos retard, that's not a projection, and the only reason you associate this with projections is that this was presented in a similar looking infographic. If the graphic wasn't there you would have never made the connection.
>>107818408Life must suck being an autist huh?
>>107814448
>>107818431What's that
>>107812249Being cuckolds to the elites is an American tradition. It's their fault for consistently electing retards that suck cock and molest children.The world will be better off if they were not here.
>>107808913There is no logical way this is sustainable. They can't use the combination of China and AGI to beg for money forever can they? Last I heard China isn't even pursuing the level of compute American big tech is.
>>107818360Altman is the least trustworthy person in any given room, the guy is a complete snake and will say literally anything to pull your levers, in that obnoxious faux sincere way he does. I swear every time I see him it's "our product is dangerous, and I'm the only person who can be trusted to control it" when he has no background in anything but fintech.
The issue with this bubble, as with all bubbles, is that the market can stay irrational for way longer than you can stay solvent against its trends.
>>107818585Yeah Sam Altman is to be trusted absolutely never, I was just mocking that anon for not looking at the image hard enough to see the paragraph stuck to the middle of it
>>107809200Ok, name something better.
>>107818595Loser talk. Either you walk the walk or you pack up and shut the fuck up. Bitching and coping is such a pussy way of dealing with your own inability to control your own life
>>107808913All that for fucking slop generated content on social mediaI fucking can't
>>107819360Go short Nvidia and OpenAI, go do it now. Then let's see how long until your funds run out.You have to play along with the clowns as long as the circus music is playing.
>>107819428If you believe its all fake, you're free to short it.
>in 8 yearsThat's 2 more terms of President Trump. You're worried about your power bill in that amount of time? That's like being afraid of messing up your beard when your head is stuck in a guillotine.
>>107819498B-but, The economy's been better than ever???
