gas and oil sissies btfo
>>107813429>line goes down>somehow this is a good thingfool
>did you know [thing which is heavily subsidized] is actually cheaper than [thing which is heavily taxed]?Shocking.
Nuclear is basically free energy but Big Oil in the West dont want to lose their trillion dollar industry.Renewables generate a lot of ewaste, like you have to replace solar panels each 5-10 years or so. It also occupies a lot more space then nuclear
>>107813545>big oil is heckin oppressed, actuallywhat terminal contrarianism does to a mf
>>107813632I'm not saying le heckin beeg oil is oppressed, I'm saying your cost analysis is fatally flawed.
>>107813429Price determines cost, read Ricardo.
Why is nuclear more pricey?
>>107813606In solar defense, solar energy was made to be a personal and second option energy, something like charge your electric car or to lower energy bill cost at the end of the month.Creating farm of solar energy is indeed retard, and should just create a nuclear plant instead
>>107814870I wonder, have you been born a retard or was there some sort of drug or accident that stunted your mental abilities?
>>107816015Tell us the benefits of building a farm of solar system
>>107813429Now show what the price would be without government subsidies.
>>107813429having done the calculations myself for the renewable energy grid in Europe I know the numbers are a big fucking lie. You have to adjust for backup storage if you do that nuclear, coal and gas are all below 5ct Solar and Wind go up to 12 if not more for electricity (heating was not included back then). The problem is the massive fluctuations and the necessary real time grid balancing that needs massive backup storage. Hell the prof who pushed this shit even back then (2016) was quite clear any attempt to get hydrogen going before 2050 is a scam and one should be skeptical since those people would be hired to sabotage renewables. Also nuclear can be made cheaper there is no reason for the complex storage of nuclear waste material if it could be recycled instead but hey what do I know?
>>107816867how long ago have you done your calcualtions? you acknowledge that solar panels are dropping in price each year? you can build a giant crypto farm / datacenter to level out the demand at peak production hours. can't build hydro infinitely since you run out of rivers, coal shits up the enviorment, methane is imported from russia and it also produces co2. nuclear is regulated to the ground and there doesen't seem to be much interest in changing that.
>>107813545>polluting is taxedoh nyooalso, isn't oil still subsidized to fuck?
>>107813606>like you have to replace solar panels each 5-10 years or so.You don't, unless you want to UPGROOD.>It also occupies a lot more space then nuclearTrue, but you can't put a NPP on a roof either.
>>107817197solar panels have been cheap enough for it to be practically irrelevant to the calculation for a while. You could hand them out for free and it wouldn't change which form of energy was cheaper.
>>107817197its the backup storage that drives up the cost and the fact that you need to pay others so they deliver you cheap solar/wind energy during down phase. Epically the latter forces you into a real time system that drives up cost for every consumer. Also building backup storage for half your grid is very costly so in essence they design the grid to drive a wave of highs which further complicates the things. If you just look at the cost of solar panels and divide it by energy consumed then yeah sure its cheap. All these problems don't exist for nuclear/gas/coal because the grid is build for it from the start. There is a reason why gas is so popular with solar/wind and why they shill hydrogen. Hydrogen is a meme anyway thats never coming.
>>107817263>>polluting is taxed
>>107813429You don't have to convince me. You have to convince my government, which is totally pwned by the fossil fuel lobby.
