The main thing for me that took a while to click is that Windows leans more on hotkeys while MacOS is built around mouse input and gestures. Also multi-tasking on MacOS where you're working with multiple windows works better when you have those windows across multiple virtual desktops.

>>107814469
>that Windows leans more on hotkeys while MacOS is built around mouse input and gestures.
For me it was the other way around, on Windows I did everything with the mouse, on MacOS I do everything with the keyboard

>>107814412
>how is MacOS
It's utter dogshit. If you want the M4 go for the 24GB mini and use it as a fancy unix machine. Stick to the terminal and don't use your mouse or you'll be fucking miserable. Worst UX I've ever used. Xcode is the most hideous piece of software out there and I thought visual studio was bad.

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>>107814412
I am on Tahoe hackintosh and it runs better than last version
Still the same features as old macOS plus bunch of upgrades, nothing changed, people seething about it are bunch of microsoftsars false flagging.
Buy cheapest Mac Mini if you are poorfag.
If you don't mind spending buy cheapest M5 Mac Studio
The only thing that got worse on Mac is piracy, not that it became difficult but finding non virus apps became harder.

>>107814757
can you even install your own software on those machines?
isn't that if the software is not signed you cant install it?

>>107814757
>Theme: Liquid Ass
kwab

>>107814412
download aerospace and configure it how you want. there are a few youtube videos to help you out but if you have ever done an i3 config it wont be hard.
best window manager for macos hands down

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>>107814829
Nah you can easily do piracy like installing your own software, but the problem is find cracked stuff without it being malware these days.
>>107814830
You don't know what are you talking about, you can turn off muh liquid ass, desktop features UX are still the same as last one.

Genuinely hate the Finder, it's the worst file browser I've even used
Pre-Win11 browser > Dolphin > Win11 > Finder

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>>107815453
>https://bloomapp.club

Again wrong falseflag linux tranny, but in case you don't like the default one there are options.

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>>107815453
Nothing is worse than Win11's explorer. Finder is great, just kinda ugly looking since Tahoe and has a lot of stuff diabled by default.
Yazi is fully supported on Mac anyway so it doesn't matter either way.

>>107815453
I’m curious, what do you dislike about it?

>>107815618
No editable path text
No "go up 1 directory" button
No simple right click -> open in terminal
Font is tiny

I imagine some of those can be changed by fiddling with the options, but it puzzles me that's how it behaves by default

>>107814412
You can watch anime and read manga perfectly well in it, but for visual novels you will often need something like Crossover or Parallels. If you can get past this last hurdle, it is just as useable as Windows.

>>107815713
>No "go up 1 directory" button
cmd + up arrow

>>107816356
Or just use columns view because anything else is for retards

>>107814412
I’m having a lot of fun using my mac as an emulation machine, it runs every emulator I’ve tried flawlessly

>>107815453
>Pre-Win11 browser
>Win11
can't even sort a folder with a few thousand photos without shitting itself lmao
doesn't remember the last selected file in a folder
doesn't have quicklook
doesn't have miller columns
freezes if you click on network drive if it is not accessible

>>107817047
Buy an ad, tranny.

>>107815713
>No editable path text
cmd+shift+g

>No "go up 1 directory" button
cmd+up

>No simple right click -> open in terminal
it's literally there

>Font is tiny
you can make it bigger. you can even have a custom font size in any directory

>>107817092
Why do I have to make gang signs with my hands for this shit

>>107817156
why do you need a computer? buy a tablet instead

Linux has better software support than apple, with the killing of 32bit and then moving to arm, massive amounts of software stopped working and will never work again, this also made so lots of devs would drop mqc support from future releases altogether.
Didn't help either that they force metal instead of using allowing to use vulkan.

>>107817182
lemme guess you are talking about your shitty games again. macs are for adults

>>107817182
Lmao straight up lying now? Name one software that worked on x86 that doesn't work on ARM now go AHEAD.
>>107817156
Why did you buy MacBook / MacMini if you are not willing to learn how the environment works?

>>107817225
Adults doesn't mean using adobe things and that's it nigga

>>107817237
It's my work laptop. It also messes up my copy/paste muscle memory

>>107814469
>>107814490
I do everything with keyboard on both. So I guess it really is up to the user. I find MacOS to be ever so slightly more keyboard user friendly because the Command key is more flexible than the Windows key.

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>>107817225
buy a toilet iJeet

>>107817225
But you can play all the good games (I.E old or indie) easily on Mac

>>107814412
Macos is fine. Some thing to get used to such as shortcuts, top panel, left sided buttons. But mostly its just an OS. Tahoe is buggy, kinda ugly. Still better than any DE on Linux though.
>>107817182
Lol. Sure, whatever you say. Abandoneware is sure the greatest software there is without any modern alternatives.

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>>107814620
>Worst UX I've ever used.

>>107814412
The admittedly good hardware is completely wasted because it's locked behind shitty, unusable software hand-crafted and optimized by faggots for the express purpose of sucking as many cocks as possible.

>>107814412
Take from someone who transitioned (>) last year and is lagging behind on Sequoia because liquid ass fud: Mac's a mixed bag. Some things are nicer than Windows, others are worse. You definitely need to put a little effort in getting used to some of the different paradigms. I could spend all day nitpicking, but I think the overall experience could be summarised as the operating system feels less cobbled together and you may find some things more pleasant than with Windows, but the more limited software ecosystem hurts and you'll find yourself missing little conveniences like right-click new text file. Recommended starter software: homebrew (WinGet replacement), Stats (load monitoring in status bar), Transmission (works nice on mac), Whiskey (gaymes), Kegworks Winery (things that don't work in whiskey), GrandPerspective (visual overview of disk usage), LuLu (much needed per-app firewall to complement other permissions), iTerm2 (separate terminal to give different permissions or VPN exclusion to), peazip (shitty alternative to 7zip but it's the best you'll get), IINA (mpv for mac). If you're /ldg/, there's also DrawThings which works quite nicely. Don't bother with native mac foobar, run it through emulation or use an alternative.

>>107814412
Anon, remember that most people on /g/ haven't used a mac. They just parrot everything because hating apple is trendy here.

>>107817020
i have that exact same problem with win10. fuck microsoft to the hilt, this is the last windows pc i will ever own.

>>107814469

its the other way around

>>107814412

as much as tahoe is bloated to death, its 10x better experience than windows 11, just having an unix-like kernel underneath makes stuff so much easier

>>107817182

rosetta 2 is pretty good at emulating x86, its just disabled by default

>>107819251
It's not disabled by default, it's not even downloaded into the computer, and there were rumors that they wanted to sunset it in this version or the next, so you really shouldn't trust that it'll be always there.

>>107814620
>Xcode is the most hideous piece of software
what did you even use xcode for you fucking lying jeet? don't tell me you got a mac for the first time in your life and immediately started writing something in objective-c or swift that is both non-trivial enough and with enough competence to accurately judge if something is good or not.

>>107814829
>isn't that if the software is not signed you cant install it?
any software you compile on your machine (be it your own project or some open source code), is automatically exempt from code signing.
signing is optional for any other kind of bundled .app application, the OS will show you a scary warning saying the program is broken and can't be trusted but you can just go to the settings and click on "open anyway", at which point that message will never be shown again for that binary.
or you can just disable gatekeeper and have it work exactly like linux (because windows have its own version, smartscreen).
piracy usually requires you to disable SIP because normally programs can't inject code into other programs or mess with their memory, so you can also disable that if you want to and get a pretty standard linux or windows default.
both of these things can be disabled with a single, short command and a reboot, nothing even close to editing the registry or messing with kernel boot params or /etc config files

>>107814412
Windows has become such dogshit in the last couple years macos is a massive upgrade. I used to be anti apple until i actually spent time on a macbook and now i will never go back

>>107817182
>Linux has better software support than apple
lol. the best api under loonix is win32
>massive amounts of software stopped working and will never work again
cite literally 1 (one)
>Didn't help either that they force metal instead of using allowing to use vulkan.
funny because AAA games are releasing under macOS and iOS with native builds using metal like cyberpunk, the latest assassin's creeds and resident evils, while there are 0 (zero) ports for EITHER loonix OR android. oof

>>107814620
skill issue

>>107819750
Instead of posting this bilge over & over, explain to everyone, why I should use Desktop Linux over a Mac.

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>>107819770
>Instead of posting this trvthnvke over & over, explain to everyone, why I should use toilets over a street.

>>107819398
>It's not disabled by default
it's not installed by default, but the system literally prompts you to install it when you attempt to run a x86 binary, which it does after a simple click on a "yes" button.
for a quick comparison, WSL on windows doesn't even work until you manually go and enable it in the old menu of "turn windows features on and off", and it will silently fail to open any distro with a cryptic error message until you install a missing component which it doesn't mention anywhere, like the hypervisor thingy or the container support.
>and there were rumors that they wanted to sunset it in this version or the next
embarrassing that you need to resort to lies and baseless rumors to support your nonexistent argument

the deafening silence after the microjeet shills are called out and they deploy the damage control squad of pajeets that are unable to post anything other than copypastas or make a single compelling argument

>>107819786
Just as I expected, you have no answer.

BTW, how do street shitters afford a Mac?

>>107815713
>No editable path text
cmd+shift+g
>No "go up 1 directory" button
cmd+up
>No simple right click -> open in terminal
True but you can extend it yourself in 5 min
>Font is tiny
Configuration issue

>>107817437
adults with jobs arent compiling linux

>>107817437
where can I run that test? on openbenchmark.org I don't see a Timed Linux Kernel Compilation test that is Mac compatible. This was run in a VM or what?

>>107819865
windows tech supporting american grandmas

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>>107814857
can confirm, works great

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>>107822065
>True but you can extend it yourself in 5 min
seems like it is there by default, but only if you right click a directory, right clicking in the empty portion wont let you do it

>>107818817
>homebrew (WinGet replacement)
nix-darwin is better
>Transmission (works nice on mac)
abandonware, qbittorrent is better
>Whiskey (gaymes)
abandonware, use Sikarugir
>IINA (mpv for mac
regular mpv is better, at least much less resource intensive as it can apply hardware acceleration properly

>>107822720
>>Transmission (works nice on mac)
>abandonware, qbittorrent is better
lolmao

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>>107814412
depends what app you're using. if you're browsing the web then it doesn't matter if you use firefox on windows or on a mac. the os makes less of a difference once you're in an app.

>>107814412
Apple has a two-week no-questions-asked return policy
You can just try it yourself and see if you hate Tahoe
I dislike most of the changes but it’s not as awful as I figured it would be

>>107822660
turn the path bar on

>>107822720
>qbittorrent
it's qt garbage, transmission is a macOS native app and it works great

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>>107823653
lmao
https://build.transmissionbt.com/job/trunk-mac/

>>107819600
C++ audio DSP. Its debugger/lldb is fucking shit. The interface is fucking shit. vim mode is fucking shit. It's slow as shit. The only thing that's okay is profiling, especially if you're using metal or mlx.

>>107817237
My elderly father used Sibelius for transcribing musical scores for years and years. Later versions were fucked up and weird and difficult for him to use, and he couldn't use the previous version that worked for him because it wouldn't run properly anymore on his new m1 macbook.

On linux or windows, he would've happily been able to keep using the version that worked for him. I regret very much that I convinced him to switch to macs in 2007, maybe he would've kept up with his musical hobbies and wouldn't have lost them to cognitive decline as quickly as he has. So that's why I say, absolutely fuck apple and every company that practises this "you can't use old versions and you have to buy everything over and over again every two years" business model

>>107823880
ah you can right click that part as well for terminal, thanks

>>107814620
So you’re just admitting to being a retard. Got it.

>>107823984
Kinda sad to read. Is there no way to run older Sibelius versions on new macs with Wine or some shit?

>>107819750
Applesister response?

>>107819865
Answer to what? He posted what would be a lot of reasons for avoiding Mac, only question is whether what he said it's true and whether winslops laptops do it better

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>>107824602
Heroic game launcher is better, you can also try game porting kit with newer games.

macOS is the main reason I never want to own another Mac after my current one. The OS is, at best, a gimmick for me and at least being able to dual-boot into Windows made my MacBook still feel useful (I'll hop into macOS periodically but mostly to say I'm "using a Mac" without any real objective or the sense that I'd be having a more engaging experience doing the same thing in Windows).

>>107824770
I don't see how a working computer is a gimmick. Sounds like a buzzword you learned just yesterday and started parroting around like a retard. For me it's a UNIX workstation that actually works. It gives me everything a Linux distro gives me after I've spent many many hours fine tuning it to exactly how I like it to look and behave, and a little before it breaks. And that is being generous, because Linux, no matter how much you tinker tranny with it, will never feel complete, there's always rough edges that drive me nuts. All of the necessary tools are there in MacOS. I don't need to be able to change how it works, it just does.

What's the point of switching to apple when you can just buy a cheaper windows laptop instead? If building your own PC is over due to GPU and RAM unaffordability then become a laptop fag with a docking station. Not sure how switching to the more expensive hardware is the answer.

>>107825275
windows sucks
linux sucks
mac is the way

if you willingly buy apple products ur dumb

u literally cant even play minecraft. like they say u can but it runs like ass

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>>107819750
>>107824689

>>107814412
this comes from someone who is autistic and is distro hoping on macbook, I have both 2013 mbp and 2015 macbook pro, 8gb of ram is not enough even if mac os have better swap management [it won't rape your ssd, this is not 2010] you can try anything with i7 and dedicated gpu and 16gb of ram and it will be still cheap and good in 2026, from my experience big sur is the best to stay on, it's technically heavy on 2013 machines, but it seems to be more optimized for M chips and last truly lightweight for intel 2015+

1.buy 2015 pro mac with amd as they are cheap, it will be your testing ground for like 300$ or lower
2. use big sur and search for software versions compatible with it
3. if battery is good, use app tamer, endurance to force low power mode and you should get like 7 hours on battery or more depends on battery health
4. safari from big sur is just as good as any other browser, epsecially for battery
5. grok will give you simple terminal command to make bootable usb for fresh install, it's always better
6. time machine backup works like a magic with compatible OS so it''s worth but need it allow nuke your usb drive for new file format
7. you use system for like 3 days non stop and allow it to settle for the nights, then you do backup with time machine
8. pirating on mac os is just copying pre-cracked software from sites like haxmac cc or filecr or torrentmac net

as I type this from safari my mbp 2015 runs cool and silent with app tamer and this endurance app, overall it's fucking worth it, once you realize you have everything you need including extremely easy windows dual boot [you download iso, let bootcamp do stuff in the background and you reboot and in 3 minutes or 5 you are ready, fucking ridiculous] you will never comeback to other laptop brand unless it's worth it, with intel macbooks you have like 3 OS in 1

mind you,partitioning sucks, so you need install stuff in the right order or it won't allow you regain space to the main partition

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>>107814412
it's okay. not as good as windows, but not as bad as linux

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>>107819750
>>107824689
oh great now you summoned the droidjeet.
>sars AMD and Android are a very good value
DO NOT CARE

>>107826056
btw. if battery is good, simply install high sierra for media and internet consumption and big sur or monterey or ventura for work and games [nvidia now with fast internet just works right]

I told you to use big sur, but you can use monterey if you want, I did my research and beside compatibility with the software it's just a minimal step forward, and if you have 5g internet or better then safari works the same even if 18 supposed to be faster, have fun

>>107814412
macOS is designed by aliens. almost nothing works as it should, special snowflake modifier keys, special snowflake desktop icon direction, shitty file manager, every small piece of software nickel&diming you, lots of work just to create a .txt file on RMB
the cherry on the shitcake is the special snowflake font scaling so roughly 95% of all displays ever made look like shit. BetterDisplay fixes it, except if your display is >60Hz the font gets sort-of temporarily burned in after 20 minutes or so, I didnt even know this could happen on ips. It goes away after 10 mins or so but what the actual fuck
i’d switch to linux in an instant if I could (lol m4). the hardware is excellent and so is the software support, esp creative related shit like music and video editing, but sweet jesus is the OS itself annoying as fuck to use

I do like being able to make your own shortcuts on OS level, per application, and that it has ZSH as base. but other than that its just miserable

>>107826164
ah, and if your mac can't be upgraded to ventura, then you have open core legacy patcher, quick rundown; prepare 32gb usb, instal OCLP, download mac os installer, make bootable usb, install open core to the pendrive, restart, hold option key, pick uefi open core bootloader, install it like a normal update on the disc, or do clean install, after you log in, you run root patching, install open core to the main disc and reboot, hold option, pick open core bootloader, pick your system partition, log in and that's it, for now tahoe is not working so turn off the automatic updates, you can install optional updates like safari and stuff

>>107818817
> Don't bother with native mac foobar, run it through emulation or use an alternative.
What are the alternatives? I foubd music playback abysmal on macos, to the point I eventually settled on fucking quodlibet which is… not very good on mac
I hope the chinky foobar clone fooyin will finally get a port in 2026

>>107814412
mac is probably the best operating system rn to have
windows is complete and utter garbage
i really like linux (fedora especially) and it comes very close too, but i find myself using mac the most. mostly because there is more compatible software for my needs and also i like the convenience of ADP that they implemented few years ago, only big tech that offers that type of data security when it comes to cloud.

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i ditched my entire PC "everything" and got a macbook and have since bought a mac mini as well, its objectively a better end user experience
it does what i want it to do and nothing more
by that i mean you can do pic related

turn off windows updates entirely and compare the processes
on macos i simply go to update, open the settings for updates, and turn the little buttons to "off", and it never does anything i dont ask ever again, i will update when i want to and never when i dont want to
it doesnt give me entire screen pop-ups telling me about upgrading

>>107826684
oh and because i always have to clarify this, theres always people who go "oh but you have to update, updates are good"
i understand this, i will eventually update stuff as i see fit
but its not the updates themselves that are the problem, its that you as the end user dont have control over it, microsoft makes it overly difficult to do what should be as simple as a toggle on/off, and what was previously that easy
you fuckin own the computer, it should do as you say, and there shouldnt be any compromises
i tell my macbook to not update, it doesnt update and doesnt bother me further about it
the same applies to many attributes of it, it does only what i want it to do

linux is very much so in line with this as well, and linux is a great option for a lot of people, its not suitable for me and my uses unfortunately
part of the other things i wanted to move away from involve desktop pc hardware, i just dont like that entire type of device anymore, this i greatly prefer
for people who value things like that, they will want to continue with desktop pcs and that type of hardware in general, thats perfectly fine if that fits their desires out of tech, it doesnt fit mine anymore

i think a lot of people here would genuinely be very surprised by modern macs and macOS and would greatly enjoy it, its a matter of giving them the opportunity to try

>>107825275
M4 mac mini is simply better value than any windows equivalent