Discussion of Free and Open Source Diffusion ModelsPrev: >>107812730https://rentry.org/ldg-lazy-getting-started-guide>UIComfyUI: https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUISwarmUI: https://github.com/mcmonkeyprojects/SwarmUIre/Forge/Classic/Neo: https://rentry.org/ldg-lazy-getting-started-guide#reforgeclassicneoAniStudio: https://github.com/FizzleDorf/AniStudioSD.Next: https://github.com/vladmandic/sdnextWan2GP: https://github.com/deepbeepmeep/Wan2GP>Checkpoints, LoRAs, Upscalers, & Workflowshttps://civitai.comhttps://civitaiarchive.com/https://openmodeldb.infohttps://openart.ai/workflows>Tuninghttps://github.com/spacepxl/demystifying-sd-finetuninghttps://github.com/ostris/ai-toolkithttps://github.com/Nerogar/OneTrainerhttps://github.com/kohya-ss/musubi-tunerhttps://github.com/kohya-ss/sd-scriptshttps://github.com/tdrussell/diffusion-pipe>Z Image Turbohttps://huggingface.co/Tongyi-MAI/Z-Image-Turbo>WanXhttps://github.com/Wan-Video/Wan2.2https://comfyanonymous.github.io/ComfyUI_examples/wan22/>LTX-2https://huggingface.co/Lightricks/LTX-2>Chromahttps://huggingface.co/lodestones/Chroma1-Basehttps://rentry.org/mvu52t46>Illustrioushttps://rentry.org/comfyui_guide_1girlhttps://tagexplorer.github.io/>MiscLocal Model Meta: https://rentry.org/localmodelsmetaShare Metadata: https://catbox.moe|https://litterbox.catbox.moe/GPU Benchmarks: https://chimolog.co/bto-gpu-stable-diffusion-specs/Img2Prompt: https://huggingface.co/spaces/fancyfeast/joy-caption-beta-oneTxt2Img Plugin: https://github.com/Acly/krita-ai-diffusionArchive: https://rentry.org/sdg-linkBakery: https://rentry.org/ldgcollage>Neighbors>>>/aco/csdg>>>/b/degen>>>/r/realistic+parody>>>/gif/vdg>>>/d/ddg>>>/e/edg>>>/h/hdg>>>/trash/slop>>>/vt/vtai>>>/u/udg>Local Text>>>/g/lmg
>mfw
>>107814922>Recommended GPU:Nvidia: https://marketplace.nvidia.com/
wow back up to 33 stars, keep including it in the OP I'm sure it's gonna skyrocket eventually
>>107814922died from the lego set. masterfully slopped
>baking early and waiting tens of minutes to link it in previous Very sdg coded This baker is a troll
>>107815047qrd
>nigbo>tranistudiogrim
>>>/wsg/6068670
>>107814922>no man milk in the collageogre
He'd rather it be dead than not get his way. That's sad.
>>107815257what did i do?
Unblessed thread of hostile takeover
>>107815495these are the kind of people that insist on being allowed in women's bathrooms
Enjoying your base model? You fucking retards.
So, i see. You *really* want beef again.
no base general
thank you mods
>malware links in OPnice thread
It's funny how as soon as a new thread with the links was created, anon baked a second one WITHOUT the links in order to make it more convincing that the thread with links was "spam" lmao lolcow
very nigbo-esquei agree with this anon >>107815640
>thread with anistudio in op againI shant post my gens (again)
>>107814363Friendly reminder to our anons that AniStudio (linked in OP) is literal malware. BEWARE
>>107815782you don't gen anyway schizo
>>107815791this is proven to be defamation>>107814471it's not anistudio
i don't mind anistudio in the op but it could use a release version bump on github
>>107815805kys retard, stop spreading malware. Do not fall for his lies
>>107815807Sorry he's too busy pretending to not be posting ITT
>>107815805you know that vulnerabilities have signatures right? you're probably using an old vuln and spread it in your shitty exe
why not report the repo itself if its malware
>>107815791Thanks for the warning
>>107815217>>>/wsg/6068738
>>107815849stop pushing your shitty UI in the OP
change up your vocabulary lilbro julian its too obvious but keep seething
>>107815849kys
Threadly reminder to our newfriends: we're experiencing hostile takeover of the OP, a bad actor his inserting a link to his own project (AniStudio) which is known to be malware. Please ignore it and be safe.
>>107815882benchod
Reminder: You're supposed to buy some commercial licenses of AniStudio(tm) so julien has his passive income source (he doesn't code much and anything interesting is done by the 50 something contributors of the MIT codebase sd.cpp anyway)
>>107815882so do your due diligence and report the repo?
>>107815882>>107815860>>107815828>>107815820local diffusion?
>>107815903no one's gonna use your garbo UI sorry!
hey guys how do you feel about this global 4chan rule?
>ran meltylmao
>>107815838lmfao the grin
>>107815932because an unhinged avatartroon is trying to hijack the thread to advertise its malware
>>107815932Happens when someone forces commercial apps in OP and the thread quality is not maintained
>>107815932first time?
What are the best workflows/nodes for ltx?
>update cumfartui>it braps itself to deathEveryFuckingTime
>Still no z-image baseApparently tomorrow GLM image is supposed to be released, you guys think they are waiting to release it a few minutes after GLM image to steal the spotlight like they did with flux 2?
>>107815977now say poothon, monkey
Reminder that the avatartroon can't make the inference code for its malware "frontend" faster because it's too retarded, that code wasn't written by it in the first place
>>107815994>GLM imageTheir LLM is pretty good and not that censored, I hope their image model is amazing.
>>107816048how big is the image model?
>>107816048Yes, I hope it's good. It's apparently an omni model so it can do both generating and editing.>>107816060We'll see tomorrow.
>>107815807>>>/wsg/6068758
I've been trying to get this Chroma 2K-DC int8 blockwise shit working in comfy as some anons have said it's really good.It runs but only spits out noise. How do people usually debug this shit, there's no messages. Do I have to join some fuck ass discord?
https://github.com/kijai/ComfyUI-KJNodes/commit/007da2988958c46c9abb16580a962343bf2ab278NAG already implemented
blessed thread of frenship
>>107816089so we dont need that nag repo anymore?
>>107816076inb4 32b abomination
>>107816060given their text models are like 100+ GB, i would expect not to be able to run it on consumer hardware
>>107816102nigger
I know you're all 300 iq here so please fix nvfp4 models not working with loras pls
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1q8e2g8/20_seconds_ltx2_video_on_a_3090_in_only_2_minutes/comfyui in shambles lmao, time to install wan2gp, nobody knows why comfys quality is so shit compared to proper implementations
>hijacking the whole thread to advertise AniStudio>it has 33 stars, no users, supports barely any models, feature-poor, absolutely in no way a competitor to the real UIs>has a custom license forbidding commercial use>the primary goal is to make the dev money, this is explicitly stated>"to purchase a commercial license, please email legal@bullshitcompany.ai">literal fucking advertisement equivalent to "Check out my twitch stream! Pls subscribe and donate thx!">this thread was baked early in order to hijack it, a real bake is removed almost immediately due to either mass proxy reports or a paid off modIn all seriousness, what are we supposed to do about this? Nothing is working.
Finally got my work's 7900XTX fixed but it's attached to an ITX board with only 16GB of ddr4 ram so idk what I could even use it for
>>107816145meanwhile you can barely squeeze out 5 seconds in 720p with a 4090 with comfyui, hopefully the comfyui castle of cards will crumble this year
>>>/wsg/6068762
>>107816149Isn't it LGPL? Why would you lie about this
>>107816157sell it and buy a 6000
>>107816149https://www.4chan.org/faq#contactadmin
>>107816149pester the mods on irc
>>107816149It's LGPL, retard. You literally can't stop spreading blatant lies, huh?
>>107816187is this a better licence than gpl3?
>>107816192i forgot
>>107816192literally just ask an llm
>>107816164LTX2 has potential but can't get past the rubbery vaseline smear quality it produces.
>>107816200can i load an llm in comfy for that?
>>107816169>>107816187https://github.com/FizzleDorf/AniStudio?tab=License-1-ov-fileThis doesn't look like the LGPL to me. It appears to be a hastily written pathetic attempt to get commercial users to pay for a license.
>>107816206yeah
So why is this anon defending a UI so hard when no one here uses it?
not contributing to this blatant advertisement hijacked thread
>107816241why aren't anons just accepting my lies and falsified virustotal results???
why didn't "anon" post this? seems kinda insincere, no?https://github.com/FizzleDorf/AniStudio/blob/main/LICENSE-COMMERCIAL.txt
>>107816149Oh so it's not under a free license? Was about to look into the app but i'll pass then
>>107816262>Note: this is not the definative ToA, all requests for a commercial license are written on a case to case basis during this time.for more info, please contact legal@julien.ai.Yeah absolute bullshit move to squeeze out free bucks from people actually building something cool (sd.cpp)What a lolcow
>>107816265not according to the link in >>107816262
Does anyone here have a good Qwen Edit 2511 Character Replacement workflow? Specifically one that replaces a character from one reference image (image 1) with a character from another reference image (image 2).Whenever I try to do this with the vanilla workflow, there are always leftover features from the first reference character like hair, clothing, facial features, etc.
>>107816265Nah, it's under weak copyleft license. Commercial use is voluntary. Enjoy anonhttps://github.com/FizzleDorf/AniStudio?tab=readme-ov-file#licensehttps://github.com/FizzleDorf/AniStudio/blob/main/LICENSE-LGPL-3.0.txt
>>107816283Yeah it's shit thenGlad i spared myself the time to setup a VM for it then
>>107816171>sell it and buy a 6000I'm pretty sure an engineering sample 7900xtx from a 2022 batch with optimizations missing is worth less a retail one. I'll ask for more RAM hopefully I can get at least 32I was thinking about patching the flash attention out of hunyuanvideo 1.5 because flash attention is a sin and sageattention is strictly better. But like who cares about hyvid 1.5I'm trying to think of stuff I can do without a dataset since I don't want hundreds of thousands of internet pics I haven't audited to be associated with me on my work computer and the work network. But at the same time people watch porn on their work laptops all the time so maybe I should stop being afraid of trying to make an impact on the world
>>107816289>>107816294It is not open source, since it doesn't have an open source license, meaning it, by definition, does not belong in a thread for free AND open source diffusion models and software
This is exactly what happens if you don't maintain the thread qualityJust nooooticing
>>107816289so i asked chatgpt what it means>You are not bound by both licenses at once.>You pick one:>>LGPL-3.0 free, but with obligations>>Commercial license paid, fewer obligations>>This model is commonly used by companies that want to support open source while monetizing proprietary use.>>Why this license is well-structured>> Clear separation between open and commercial use> Explicit explanation of obligations (rare and helpful)> Commercial terms target the exact pain points of LGPL> Common and legally sound approach (used by Qt, MySQL, FFmpeg forks, etc.)so it means that it's effectively open source and everyone saying that anistudio is "commercial" are just lying
>>107816294Pretty sure Comfy is more employed and succesful tah Julien, and his frontend is open source
>>107816279How is it significantly different? sd.cpp is MIT licensed. You can use it for anything. This shitty wrapper UI does some bullshit dual license thing with LGPL (any company won't touch touch it with a 10 foot pole), and then says "oh btw if you want to use it commercially please contact me and pay for a license". It is obviously a grift pigbacked on other people's work, in an attempt to make money.
To call Nikolas a couple times a dayOr notThat is the question
>>107816303where in the OP does it say the thread is for software as well? all i see is models
>>107816234source: my assalso no tanlines lmao
I have a question. ZiT has pretty good anatomy overall, and I have made some celeb/character loras with data including full body shots etc showing off the physique. The ZiT loras reproduce the likeness very well, and they picked up on the physique as well, but compared to the face the physique comes out significantly worse in comparison, sometimes some body features it picked up come out exaggerated, or proportions are offlike torso being weirdly squashed and so on. When using the same data for training XL loras in the past the physique was reproduced better overall, disregarding the usual XL defects. Is this due to ZiT being distilled? Or does ZiT require different captioning or something(I didn't caption the physique at all except for thigns I want to be able to change like hair style and color and so on).
>>107816340do it you god damn schizo i dare you
>>107816355yeah
>>107816341why would it the users of a thread for FOSS diffussion models be fine with using non-FOSS software?are you literally retarded?
>>107816364yeah what
>>107816340You got him scared with thatDon't forget to mention the CP btw
so julien is basically worse than that turk furkan or what his name wasgot it
>>107816400yes, Julien, grok agreed with you and you couldn't have in any way manipulated the text
these are the threads he calls "cozy" and "drama free"well, these and the ones where it's just him reposting gens and posts from the archives
Trani just put the fries in the bag ok
>>107816416so where do the the defects in the physique come from, from being distilled, or wrong captioning or what else, this is the only ldg currently active so where else am I supposed to ask, I don't care about schizo drama I want my loras to get better
So basically ani wants to get money from the work of the sd.cpp contributors? Did i get this right? Or why is it not also MIT licensed?
>>107816441no rentries with additional information about regular bad actorsthough best case scenario would be anistudio being added to the board's spam filter
>>107816441you have to use prodigy and set dim to 27 with lr at 0.003 and loss at 0.82
>people still talking about the attention seeking retards instead of local ai discussiontime to back to /sdg/ and 2.ch
eww /s*g/ garbage
jesus fuck you niggers
Now he's stealing gens from this thread >>107785765 to make it seem like people are contributing to his dogshit advertising attempt
>>>/wsg/6068784
>>107816474as someone whose behaviour was a major factor in actually causing a change to this board's spam filter (banning /aicg/ in OP), trust me when I say that the boards spam filter won't save you. Incentives are too disaligned
>>107816332bro who the fuck would use this dogshit ui instead of straight up sdcpp? lmao its fucking incredible
>>107816468>>107816479>>107816489nice gens
so is this thread just a dump being spammed by bots or what
>ATTENTION: THE FOLLOWING GENS WERE STOLEN>>107816456 stolen from >>107785765>>107816468 stolen from >>107786071
>>107816530thanks
>>107816545catbox?
>ATTENTION: THE FOLLOWING GENS WERE STOLEN>>107816479 stolen from >>107786136>>107816489 stolen from >>107786143
>>107816559call the popo
>>107816558surehttps://files.catbox.moe/6ll0vy.jpg
what a fucking shithole.
can we get a mod on this fucking retard so we get this fucking shittystudio worldfiltered out of this fucking board? it would solve all problems
>ATTENTION: THE FOLOWING GENS WERE STOLEN>>107816513 stolen from >>107786569>>107816523 stolen from >>107786569
>>107816542And thats good, I think that ldg and sdg should merge again
>>107816567thanks
>>107816542>>107816559>>107816573fucking embarassing, imagine reposting shit to have a semblance of a thread up and then claim: WOW WE HAD SUCH A COZY BREAD BROS
>>107816573>>107816559>>107816542And that is fucking good! /g/ don't need two stable diffusion generals
>>107816570wordfiltered for what
>ATTENTION: THE FOLLOWING GENS WERE STOLEN>>107816530 stolen from >>107786576>>107816545 stolen from >>107786590
>>107816532>>>/wsg/6068790
>>107816581np
kill everyone
what models are you guys using?i currently am working on training a cyberpunk model i got images from civit aithey post really good generationsi use adamw8bit with 0.0005 lr and 12 dim its not bad for my gpu this is at 5000 steps i think i should train some morewhat do you guys think?
>>107816333I can't jerk off to the same vid twice, make another.
yea this guy who doesnt put the rentries is a massive troon
>>107816592worst thing is that he's replying to himself too
>>107816610im using a finetune that debo sharedit's pretty goodits a merge of juggernaught and ponyrealism and 1/3rd of qwen very high quality
let me save you the effort, tranithis is why no one will ever use tranistudio
we should literally merge/ldg/ with /sdg/, it's like connecting the right side of the brain with the left. There is a lack of /sdg/ posts here.we should literally merge/ldg/ with /sdg/, it's like connecting the right side of the brain with the left. There is a lack of /sdg/ posts here.we should literally merge/ldg/ with /sdg/, it's like connecting the right side of the brain with the left. There is a lack of /sdg/ posts here.
>>107816641nice gencan i get the prompt?
>>107816641>>107816650>1 minute between posts
KILL EVERYONE
>>107816664this
>>107816651masterpeice:1.5, very high quality :1.2, good:1.4, a anime girl that is wearing a witch hat with orange flowers:1.23 behind her. beautiful. teal, orange, flower, striples. socks with toes.
>>107816658its debo and trani coordinating and shitting the thread together
Hiro should be contacted, mod abuse has gone too far
>>107816649>>107816673
>>107816670thanksnice spaceship
WOE DESTRUCTION RUIN AND DECAY AND THE WORST IS DEATH AND DEATH WILL HAVE HIS DAY
>>107816689your welcomeand thanks
this is the weirdest ran meltie i've ever seen
>>107816701imagine if /adt/ added it back to their OP too
>>107816701(hoo)s ran
res_2s, 3s etc samplers are incredible, I'm in love
RAPE DEATH KILL NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>107816701>>107816711>>107816720so, it's a falseflag that proves.... that no one is actually posting gens in your dogshit shilling attempt of a thread?
verdict on sota seed variance fix for zit?
>>107816670>>107816680>>107816689>>107816699>>107816720all of these images were already posted ITT
>>107816733it's better to leave that off and set gradient step to 2
>>107816733>>107816744>1 minute between posts>stolen gen (as seen in >>107816649)certified Anistudio developer classicno wonder it's barely used abandonware
FAGGOT ASS COCKS GAY CUM
threads with tranistudio in the OP having no original gens are a satyrical commentary on the fact that no one uses to generate images
Cakes on the griddle
>>107816744>>107816762>>107816774all already here, haha >>107816649
I am using Chatgpt to try to create this weird tales art style like the one on the left.I was trying a prompt like thisPrompt: 1930s Weird Tales pulp magazine cover art, commercial gouache illustration style. Flat opaque color application with simplified modeling, poster-aesthetic with naturalistic forms. Bold color zones with controlled edges, limited soft transitions only for form modeling. Strong value contrast, theatrical stage lighting, hard-edged cast shadows. Vintage four-color printing look, slight registration offset. Illustrative realism with posterized color planes.A chaotic, night-time battle scene at a bandit camp. Sir Gottfried, wounded and bleeding, is a "whirlwind of silver and death," fighting multiple bandits simultaneously with his sword and shield. His pose is one of desperate, exaggerated heroism. In the background, there are burning tents and a crossbowman reloading in the shadows. The moon is a "sliver of bone," casting eerie light, while the fires create a warm, dramatic glow on the armor and faces.Saturated dramatic lighting. 1930s adventure pulp, heroic fantasy illustration, magazine cover compositionNOT / Negative Prompt: NOT: oil painting, visible brushstrokes, impasto, heavy texture, painterly, blended edges, soft focus, atmospheric, chiaroscuro, tenebrism, academic painting, fine art, canvas texture, alla prima, glazing, scumbling, loose brushwork, impressionist, expressionist, textured surface, thick paint application, Rembrandt lighting, naturalistic rendering, photorealistic, digital art, concept art, artstation, modern illustration, 3D render, airbrushed, gradient meshbut it produced photo on the right, What am I doing wrong? I imagine overprompting but not sure what to remove and what to include
ANAL NIGGER CUM PENIS ASS RAPE DEATH FUCK TRANNY
beat you to it Julien :)
kinda weird how the image spam started and the UI discussion stopped after the anti-ani schizo got called out on their lies. almost like they switched tactics or something
>>107816797find/train a lora
>>107816806nice gencatbox?
>do you want to update>or do you want to update next time teheheWhy the fuck am I required to update, ComfyUI? I don't need any updates, I'm good for the next 3 years, leave me the fuck alone
All those video looks like shit, what model is? Wan 2,5 is flop?
>>107816797It may just not be possible. If you use a local model you can train a LoRA on a dataset of that art and replicate the art style better.
>>107816825>>107816846that doesn't really helpthanks i guess.
>>107816821so there's no one posting actual gens in your shilling thread?
Enjoy a preview of the nexrt round of /sdg/ leftoversAll sponsored by Anistudio and its retarded dev of course!
is ranfaggot finally going through the crash out before she kills herself?
>>107816839>>107816846>>107816858>>107816862your parents cry themselves to sleep over the fact that you haven't hanged yourself yetI checked
>>107816860>>107816862guess i'll start the process of installing and trying to use comfyui, again
>>107816879LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLeven its sockpuppet falseflags prefer Comfy
What kind of ost will give me the sounds of various instruments like flute, clarinet etc
>>107816846>>>/wsg/6068807
who the fuck fakeposts and replies to themselves
>>107816965qrd
well.. got it working, though i don't yet understand how to get the results i wanthttps://files.catbox.moe/jnbti2.jpgrate the flow/offer guidance as far as the settings i should be using
>>107816965the developer of Anistudio, in an attempt to make it seem like people are using this thread he made to shill his frontend>>107816970most gens ITT were stolen from an archived /sdg/ thread
JesusAs soon as the thread quality is not maintained the mentally ill take over the blessed thread
>>107816983who are you
>>107816992I told julien he will regret what he has done irl.And it will only get worse for him i promise that anon.
Lunch
>>107817004rat
>>107817001you wont do shit bitch lol!
>>107817001Is that a death threat?
>>107817018Yeah don't tell anons what really happened at ikhor (if you even realized it) ;)
>>107817035Not really, are you paranoid?
schizobabble the thread
>>107816949hmm fresh slop >>>/wsg/6068820
>>107817067wtf???not having the section of the OP specifically made to maintain thread quality..... made the thread worse????????
>>107817087are you girl irl too?
>>107817085more like gigajumpscare
So i was wonderingCalling Nikolas and/or his companyLets brainstorm a bit what fun things i (the real schizo anon) could do, you know i can be quite a bit persistent and annoying if i want
>>107817123chroma?
>>107814922local models dont have the quality and complex scenes i wantchatgpt wont let me generate pornhow long do i need to wait for a censor free option equal to chatgptwill it ever happen?
>>107816793How much money could I make on Instagram with this
>>107817117>Calling Nikolas and/or his companythis guy who spends every day of the week monitoring and spamming /ldg/ actually has a job?
>>107817138local models literally mog gpt if you use a proper workflow, of course will take 10x as long
>>107817138uhhhh nobecause if openai ever needs cash desperately enough to do porn, then 1. mastercard/visa will cut them off, and 2. they'd probably choose to go under anyway because AI is dead
>>107817150He owns a consultancy
>>107817135zit
>>107817163zit cant do 3 characters that well
>>107817150No?That's Julien, Nik is someone else>>107817117Honestly, I think the most effective w<ay to deal with things is the truth
>>107817170Fun, but a bit 2012-ish, but good idea, thank you for your input anon
>>107817109>>>/wsg/6068825
>>107817234im 43, are yall not my age?
>>107817114why are you pretending that the links have been not in OP for more than a day ani is seething because no one cares about his ui
>>107817135Chroma can't do text that well.
>>107817317proof?
>>107817163i wish we could stop fighting but the schizo will never let go of its grudge it seemsif i had to guess, he's angry because ani made some progress yesterday
>>107817236>>107817328does this sound convincing when you type it out
>>107817234can't go wrong with the classics
>>107817109ZIT cant into round fit ass :(
>>107817355>She has a fit physique and a round buttocks. works
>>107817371proof?
>>107817371looks off, not a westoid butt
fresh when ready>>107817380>>107817380>>107817380
>>107817399The thread we are posting in was also baked around 270.
>>107817407>>107817399>don't believe in schizo threads?>you are in one
>>107817399NIGGERFAGGOTCUMASSCOCKSDICKSGAYGAYGAY
give him a moment he is spinning up proxies to get the new bread deleted because he does not like it
>>107817440
>>107817355Hmm, it's not quite the ideal shape.
SHITCOCKS
>>107816078very flashy. the transformation audio has a bit of an organ cacophany going on tho
>>107814922None of these images have soul this is all slop if you can't draw real art with your hands you need to give up
so it's the gemma text encoder that causes censorship with ltx?https://civitai.com/models/2292336/ltx-2-nsfw-text-encoder-gemma-3-12b-abliterated?modelVersionId=2579572
>flux girl being reposted in this threaddarkest of days
>>107816981you're using a distilled model, cfg should be at 1.0. euler/normal is the recommended sampler/scheduler but others work too. the issue is your prompt is too simplistic. you need long, verbose prompts to get what you want with these models. you can use many LLMs for free on LMArena to rewrite you prompt if you want, but all stuff is public there so be careful.
>>107817930they also basically just don't train nsfw
https://files.catbox.moe/v46gf5.png
https://files.catbox.moe/62vnsa.png
>>107819463>>107819476Those are tight post in new >>107817380