Why did /g/ stop being anti-systemd?
Because it just werks.
>>107817360The alternatives are worse.
>>107817360Thats just new /g/. Which all they care about is kde vs gnome or whatever gay shit they shitfling about nowadaysUs oldfags are rockin artix, void or devuan
i fucking hate systemd and i use openrc any time i can
it stopped being a "new" thing and the mentally ill schizos switched to hate GNOME or whatever else instead.besides, its worth noting that the skill level of the average person on /g/ seems to be much lower than it once was. lots of wintoddlers and ai shitters and whatever else.
>>107817360We've always been allies with systemd..?
we lost
>>107817599>mentally ill schizos switched to hate GNOMEyes I don't need desktop icons. I don't even need a desk to work. let me just leave my papers stuffed in a filing cabinet as I write to them.
>>107817644proving my point exactlya functional desktop with GNOME is just one extension awayor not even that given that the extension is often preinstalled by distros
>>107817499Sad but true.Systemd as a massive monolith that it's become, it usually just werks alright for basic tasks
Never gonna stop using sysvinit
>>107817360I use Artix with runit
>>107817360They switched to Arch. Now hating Wayland is the new hotness because they're still on team green.
Can I get a QRD on why people hate systemd?
>>107817499spbp. thankfully ive grown up of the anti-sysd meme, just accept it had to happen and all the others suck in different ways.
>>107817360More like systemgay lolol
>>107818189It has way more features than it needs so it's bloat, and there was some paranoia that developers were being forced into the Red Hat ecosystem. "Init freedom" was successful in that it guaranteed you don't need systemd to have a functional userspace, but it failed in that systemd is almost always just the best option.
>>107817515>two protest memes and a troon OSL.>>107817599gnome has been hated since forever, tf you mean by "new" or "switched"? sys-d is still hated too, everything that works is, besides wayland.
>>107818189>QRDIt's 500k lines of code for a simple init system, it smells of bloat and it's pozzed by the glowies. Cron does a lot of what it does and with a lot less footprint, as a matter of fact many distros stopped shipping with cron to instead use systemd exclusively.
>>107817360damn this nigga cute imagine hes bouncing on your dick and be like>sudo unlock chasitycagethen you both let out a hearty chortle at such an epic nerd joke
>>107818461 Cron does like one part of what systemd does, and it’s timers. And systemd will happily just write cronjobs out if you tell it to. What systemd gives you is a fairly robust service management system that addresses just about anything you’d need in the realm of “automatically run a program”, whether it be on login, boot, new network connection and so on. It is overkill for many setups, but it’s easy to configure and fairly retard proof, which a directory full of bash-scripts all with their own syntax isn’t (the SysV init that was common prior to SystemD). I dislike how there’s a bunch of “systemd-x” branded stuff like systemd-boot (which doesn’t really have much to do with systemd, aside from integration well with it), and it’s attempts to replace some common components that are really outside its wheelhouse (name resolution, network time sync, home folder management, e.t.c.). Leonard Poettering was also an annoying prick, but from what I understand he doesn’t even work on it anymore. In short, it’s overkill for most people’s needs, but it does that majority of what it’s meant to well, and has a lot of useful features that make it convenient for complex setups. Other systems like upstart are more than enough for most, and do a lot less.
>>107817360I like the concept but hate the implementation of systemd. If it would not be developed by a bunch of assholes I would probably like it.
>>107818594I forgot that systemd mixes concerns. That should also be a part of the QRD. Great writeup.
>>107817360there is nothing wrong with systemd. nothing wrong with it at all. in fact it is pretty damn awesome.
>>107817360When Nix came out. Bitch and moan about pottering fucking up glorious unix philosophy all you like, but NixOS was far too practical to give up because one bit of bloatware being pushed. You just learn to live with the pain.
>>107818594>>107818612Don't forget binary logs. That one burned my autism something fierce.
>>107817360I just want my VPN to just work, i'm not a neet anymore
>>107817360We realized that poettoeroeing wasn't a tranny, but rather just a girly man
>>107817360it stopped being the [current thing]now it's all about being anti-wayland
cause nu /g/ never even used Linux before systemd
>>107819034most of nu-/g/ doesn't even own a computer
>>107818944Binary logs are indeed stupid and should be either provided alongside text logs, or toggleable between them, but in fairness systemd will also output to syslog in plain text if you configure it. It’s useful for gathering logs when you have multiple servers and don’t want to have to SSH in to see logs.
>>107819034wow thats so cool... unc what was it like when hamster dance came out?when you piss into a catheter bag does it feel good?
>>107819234You smoked him g
>>107818571gentoo is good since its stands on its own, like void, but it is a meme, a good one maybe, nevertheless its all tryhard tinkertroon territory. also, i wouldnt call any protest meme solid, that'd be its "fathers" since they make it possible.
>>107819254ayo wyt boi wut u b sayin yo
>>107819029pro-wayland anti-systemdxorg is bloat
>>107818571gentoo is great to learn linux, but it's not a daily driver distro
>>107818461this is the schizo bullshit that got so tiresome.
>>107819446Agree that Xorg is from the 80s and can be superseded now that displays are massively different than they were back then, but in a way "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
>>107819509wayland is fucking AMAZING. I love it. I use Cosmic too which is the BEST DE out there right now.
>>107817364fpbp
>>107819048What's a computer?
>>107819541you sound like a paid shill.
>>107819611>paid shill>for open source free softwarei think you might have down's sydrome
i think you might be a glowie.
i think you might be a homosexual
>>107819588literally /g/
>>107818461>it smells of bloatWell, bloated certainly has many different definitions. But in most definitions systemd is probably the opposite of bloat. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented a scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure, and is thus a very good thing. And as a side-effect you actually get a ton more functionality for it...As mentioned above, systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.When you build systemd, it only requires three dependencies: glibc, libcap and dbus. That's it. It can make use of more dependencies, but these are entirely optional.
>>107817360不名誉なプログラムシステムディー CVE-2012-1174 Delete Any Files コンピューターが破壊された CVE-2015-7510, CVE-2018-15688 Arbitrary State Insertion 状態注入 CVE-2017-9217 Buffer Overflow バッファオーバーフロー CVE-2017-9445 systemd-resolvd Remote Code Execution プログラムをリモートで実行する CVE-2017-15908 Denial of Service サービス拒否 CVE-2017-1000082 0-Day (ゼロデイ) Root Exploit コンピュータを好きなように実行させます CVE-2018-15686 Root Privilege Elevation (10.0 Critical Exploit!!) ルートアカウントの不適切なアクセス CVE-2020-13776 Root Privilege Elevation Again 特権の昇格 CVE-2019-6454 Kernel Panic カーネルパニック CVE-2020-1712 Arbitrary Code Execution 任意のコードの実行 CVE-2021-33910 Stack Exhaustion スタックのスペースが不足しました CVE-2021-40084 Denial of Service サービス拒否攻撃
>>107818461i wouldnt be schizophrenic about systemd at all, specially when the kernel, for instance, has 40m lines of code with some of it being made by the glowies themselves. i mean, get real.
>>107818461>It's 500k lines of code for a simple init system,I am not a coder and have no experience coding, but if a init system is so simple then surely you could do better and fewer lines of code then?
>>107818189basically the init system used to be shell scripts but poettering rewrote it in c and someone needs to write systemd-rs with an emphasis on using all the cores of a threadripper to boot faster
>>107818210>it had to happeni have never seen a snap package work correctly, not once
>>107818594>attempts to replace some common components that are really outside its wheelhousethose components were maintained by named people who didnt work for ibm. your trust in those components translated into trust for certain named people who didnt work for ibm
>>107819509>Xorg is from the 80s and can be superseded now that displays are massively different than they were back thenin the 90's when software rendering on the cpu was used and all the transferring data around within the x architecture was costly you would of had a point. ironically the thing everyone complains about in x, the client server callback model, was mass introduced to the world in javascript and copied into other languages
>>107820279Nobody likes snap. Not even people who use systemd, GNOME, and Wayland
>>107817364Thread is over, everyone out
>>107820247There's nothing wrong with initd or any other of the many, more lightweight initializers out there. In fact: https://github.com/davmac314/dinit/
>>107820247This is very goodhttps://github.com/davmac314/dinit/blob/master/doc/COMPARISON
>>107817499nope, init system is very simple and easy to implement, it just executes programs, that's all it doeswhich means any alternative is good so long it doesn't do anything beyond it like systemd which replaces every part of your OS, systemd is not even init system anymore
>>107820406that guy is retardedinterpreted language manages memory allocation automatically, you don't have to care about managing memory manually or to prevent it from crashing from allocation failure because all these things have been implemented by the devssaying you're scared it's gonna crash your program is just retarded
not my problem>t. gentoo user
>>107821029Go fix your circular dependencies
>>107818189Okay let's begin from the very beginning. In the beginning there was only one init and that was sysVinit. The way sysVinit works is very simple, it just execute shell scripts in order, but this is exactly why people hated it, sysVinit is dumb and doesn't have many of the advanced features that modern sysadmins demand today.The first real attempt to replace sysVinit came from Canonical in 2006 with Upstart, this was Ubuntu's init system till 2014. Upstart was good on paper but horrible in practice, in fact, Upstart is the reason that Poettering started systemd, so in a way systemd existence is Canonical's fault.In its infancy, systemd was actually good, people quickly ditched upstart and went with systemd, the last major distro to switch to systemd was Debian, which had a heated debate which resulted in the forking of Debian in 2014 as Devuan.All this up to now is fine and dandy, but the real problem with systemd is that it is more than just an init system, it has many components which are tightly integrated and inseparable from it, this leads to a situation where if an applications hard depends on one of these components then it becomes impossible to use the application without systemd, and this is basically becomes a vendor lock-in. The best example of this is GNOME having a hard dependency on loginctl, a component of systemd that manages login sessions. I don't really care about GNOME, but imagine in the future, as systemd grows to have more and more components, what if <insert your favorite application> starts to hard depend on one of these components? This is really the crux of why systemd is bad, I see a lot of people hate because it has bugs or bloated or whatever, all these reasons would not be an issue if there was no vendor lock-in because you simply can switch to another init system, but as it stands, systemd is not just an init system, it wants to be the only init system and more than that even.
>>107817515Im a newGOD and I've been using void for 2 years doe. It just feels like less linuxtroons care about privacy nowadays percentwise
>>107817360systemd is a godsend for anyone who actually uses his machinethe only valid criticism i've seen of it is that it's got its fingers in too many things
>>107821029Gentoo still uses some of systemd components, you can't get rid of it completely, even on OpenRC you still have this package:https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-apps/systemd-utils
>>107817515>Thats just new /g/. Which all they care about is kde vs gnome or whatever gay shit they shitfling about nowadaysBullshit, it's just because everything NOW that isn't systemd fucking SUCKS.I remember greybeards at my job crying about learning systemd unit files. FUCKING UNIT FILES. When I was working on transferring all of my Linux infrastructure from initd to systemd it was honestly a breeze. I fucking yearn to go back to those days. Fuck, take me back to those days. Now everything is BROKEN ASS TERRAFORM AND HELM DOGSHIT EVERYWHERE. Motherfuckers out here crying cause they had to relearn some shit compared to hell that is helm and terraform. I'm glad most of those greybeards that shit on systemd are in old folks homes probably being abused by somali caregivers. THEY GET WHAT THEY FUCKING DESERVE.
Never did. Board was taken over by bots and shills over a decade ago now. Mods included.Everyone that actually wanted to discuss technology fucked off to /tech/ around 2014. Which was quickly taken over by the same cabal the moment it gained more than 10 users.You want an actual good service manager on Linux? s6. But for home use you probably don't need it. Since any collection of rc scripts is better than systemd. Anyone with half a brain is not running systemd on their systems because it only serves as a backdoor into POSIX systems. As we've proven over and over again but shills and bots will pretend none of it is an issue. You're a "schizo" if you notice.My servers are all on Net/OpenBSD now because I got sick of dealing with it. My workstations are a split of Free/OpenBSD and s6+Gentoo. I keep flirting with the idea of building a new Linux distro based around s6+pkgsrc but every time I've tried to get anyone interested in helping the threads are either instantly slid or flooded with bots. Then I got a knock on the door. Faggots even follow me around to small boards with like 10 total users on backwater alt-chans. It's very obvious it's the same people every time because they're always angry as fuck and give themselves away.I made the mistake of sharing what I wanted to name my new distro and the next day all domains with that name were purchased and re-listed for $2k+ each. It was not a common name and whoever did it bought up the name in every TLD. Must have had thousands of dollars to throw at it.Honestly, they've basically broke me. I stopped caring about it since normalfags are retarded and won't use a better designed system even if it's obvious.s6 is the best init+service manager available by the way. Nothing can get logging up as early as it can.BTW we already lost the war at the hardware level so crying about stuff happening in PID1 is kind of moot at this point. TPM+UEFI=pwned.
>>107821629Also I wrote this a long time ago. Maybe you're interested: http://gentooexperimental.org/~patrick/weblog/archives/2013-10.html#e2013-10-29T13_39_32.txtIt would take me 10 posts and half the night to detail everything horrible about systemd, freedesktop and everything else the DoD is doing via fronts like Red Hat. I hope you held on to old systems because you'll need one in the near future to play with compilers at all. They won't be able to access the web (and soon the internet all together). But at least you can still build fun stuff with them locally.The future is normalfags using dumb terminals talking to the cloud 24/7. GPL failed us. Should have never played along with their copyright/IP/patent game.Linux is not "open source". BSD isn't "open source". It's all spookware. We should have never wasted so much time giving away code to these projects for free. I'm personally more into other more obscure OSs now. But good luck getting anyone else to use them. We really need a new kernel first then we can port over support for POSIX/NT/Win32/DOS shit later.IF you do want to stick with Linux though it's still possible to build something from source that works and gives you a GUI without all this crap. But you'll find no one shipping a distro/binaries for that anymore.Never 4get they had to murder Ian (Debian fame) to push systemd into the ecosystem. When they did that Red Hat/IBM/Microsoft/spooks locked down the ecosystem for good.Linux will just be a compatibility layer for Microsoft in the near future. It actually already is but most people are too stupid to realize it.
tinkertroon schizo above, opinions should be discarded.>>107821470both of you are newfag larpers.>>107821484any functional, employed and "have a life" human being uses sysd, we fck won.
>>107821629>I keep flirting with the idea of building a new Linux distro based around s6+pkgsrcHey, I want to see more s6 based distros too, right now the only usable s6 distros are Artix and Obarun, and they are both Arch-based. I would like something debian based with s6, kinda hoping that devuan would include s6 in the future but probably it's not going to happen any time soon since.I only discovered s6 recently and and still learning about it, I think I can write few execline scripts but that's about it.>I made the mistake of sharing what I wanted to name my new distro and the next day all domains with that name were purchased and re-listedShame, should've pre-purchased the domains.
>>107821668>tinkertroon schizo above, opinions should be discarded.Here is their entire argument whenever they're called out. You're <insert name calling here>, or you're just old, or you're crazy. Never a coherent argument posted by people promoting this garbage. They can't argue in good faith because they know they're pushing Department of Defense spyware.The only two goals of systemd are the following:1) Provide easy back door into every Linux server/workstation2) Leverage those systems to become nodes in their gay botnet.I'm not explaining the details for the 9,000th time. There exists plenty of documentation and articles written by a wide variety of long time developers all over the internet. Who's wisdom and advice is always ignored.They've murdered multiple people to push this garbage into the ecosystem over the last 15-odd years. The fact that they felt bold enough to blatantly murder my friend Ian Murdock then attempted to paint him as>suicidal crazy personreally speaks volumes about the type of people we're dealing with here. All I did was write some guides and try to organize a few people around making a new distro+porting over some POSIX software to it. For that I got 4 spooks knocking at my door with 15 of their local attack dogs (sheriff's department) following them. Then I was denied the right to travel by airplane anywhere and now I'm not even allowed to leave my country. I'm now a "terrorist" because I dared to compile some software in a way they deem unfit to be shared with others.For what it's worth: systemd is just the start of your troubles. You'll want to avoid dbus, policykit, udev, (e)logind, the built-in spyware in modern gnome/kde along with a bunch of other shit that makes up the modern "Linux distros". Yes even the "non-systemd" ones. Replacing PID1 with something that isn't systemd (e.g. runit/OpenRC) then pulling in half of the systemd repo (logind, udev etc.) is just as bad as running Fedora or modern Debian.
>>107821710You will get nothing good from the Devuan people. They have been funded by shady interests and have done everything possible to stifle any progress for almost a decade now.>you should have pre-purchased the domainsI wasn't ready to dump money into it. I was simply discussing it on some small board with like 5 other people. I didn't expect a bunch of spooks to spend thousands of dollars just to make me angry. But I guess when it isn't your own money and you have unlimited supply of it you feel more eager to piss it away.The problem is much deeper than PID1. It goes all the way down to glibc now I'm afraid. The entire stack can no longer be trusted.
>>107817360g is no longer occupied by /g/entoomenit is instead occupied by /g/aymers and /g/nomes
>>107821751>It goes all the way down to glibc now I'm afraidwhat about this distro?https://alicelinux.emmett1.my/seems very niche, but it's what i would build for myself if i had the time and knowledge to make a distro.
>>107821730>For what it's worth: systemd is just the start of your troubles. You'll want to avoid dbus, policykit, udev, (e)logind, the built-in spyware in modern gnome/kde along with a bunch of other shit that makes up the modern "Linux distros"Oh and before anyone posts the usual lie again. Yes you can run a GUI (even a "modern" one based on gnome/KDE) without all this shit. I'm not talking about doing everything from console like a retard.At worse if you rip all that shit I mentioned out (among other things) you'll just get some harmless errors getting thrown to console about this shitty software crying about not being able to talk to dbus. It'll still work just fine.You will of course want to avoid things like anything that requires Rust compiler as well of course.It would take me too long to detail all this crap again and the threads usually die the moment I put in that effort. I'm fucking off to bed soon tonight so I won't bother. But the short version is you can use older releases from before Rust/systemd/etc was pulled in. You can safely ignore most everything claiming it needs systemd/dbus/logind (it doesn't in reality and will compile/run just fine even today's release). None of the shit they're shilling as "security" is giving you any real security (e.g. wayland vs. X11). Most all of the stuff they shill against as being not secure is actually just as or more secure than what they're offering (gksudo vs. polkit for example).There are some blogs and articles that cover most of this stuff. The gentoo forums used to have very active threads about this type of thing. That is before google/ibm got control over the political side of the project and banned everyone for posting wrong-think. Maybe you can find those old threads in the archives somewhere. There was a forum all the old timers fucked off to a few years ago but surprise surprise it got ddos'd off the web in short order.Best of luck.
>>107821772I have not used that particular distro. But running to another distro is not going to solve this problem. You have to get out of that way of thinking. We lost the kernel somewhere between the LTS 4.xx releases and 6.xx. Linus took the dirty money and screwed us all over. Similarly, Richard Stallman was always a spook working out of a spook school (like most every famous American school with an old school hacker culture).The hacker ethics are no longer being followed and they haven't been followed in a long time. This war was lost before most of us were born. Somewhere in the mid-late 1980s. Things just didn't get intolerable until the 2010s because most of us were naive about these matters when most of us were young and dumb in the 90s-2000s. A lot of us bought into the lies Stallman promised about the GPL or fell into the BSD camp. They're both just controlled opposition and being funded by the same people pushing this garbage spyware.The age of regular people having access to a real computer is coming to an end. The x86 loophole we've been exploiting since the late 80s is going to be closed soon. The future is wearable devices and devices under the skin talking to the botnet 24/7. It's why they're spending billions right now to build out all these data centers.The security state is here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ot2FFc_Qq4I apologize for contributing to it in the ways I did. If I'd known things were going to end up like this I would have never touched a keyboard. I watched all my peers sell out or get anhero'd. I looked around one day and I was the last one left.The Government is not going to help you. The normalfags aren't going to care. There is only one real way out of this problem and the enemy has already planned well in advanced for that. We're so divided now it's probably impossible to mount a real fight against what's coming.Enjoy these last few years before things get really bad. That's all the advice I have. I'm fucked.
>>107821817Stuff like this makes people not take us seriously
kek im not reading all of that tinkertroon, get fucked nonfunctional prick.
Because there's been plenty of other cool new things to hate for the contrarians.
>>107817360more effort was put on hating systemd than making something better
>>107821629>>107821656>>107821730thanks for the insight anon. I feel the same, but I'm just old dumb sysadmin depresed over how things turned out.
Chat is this true?
>>107817364Exactly. SystemD simply works, and I don't want or need to pay any tribute to that small group that hates it, they are nothing but noise and a circlejerk. My computer is practical with it and thats what matters for me, since it's a tool.
I'm a newfag to Linux beyond pre-school webserver setup shit with Ubuntu. Please help me understand why I should give a shit and what makes which better? I've been using Nobara like a faggot for a few months and know it's time to grow up.
>>107820683>it just executes programs, that's all it doesNo, it needs to and nowadays does more, you've been wrong for at least the past decade, two to three if you count windows services and launchd, and so nobody who matters ever listens to you.
>>107822657If you don't know why it matters, it doesn't. The init is the first and last program the system runs, and loads all the others. Historically, the much simpler sysvinit and bsd-style inits were dominant until systemd came along with the goal of superseding them for most use-cases, and now most distributions use it by default, mostly because it's easier to maintain (though they rarely bother to configure it). Depending on your perspective you can say systemd is "feature-rich" or "bloated", and either "hard to work with" or "hard to work without". A lot of people choose to stick with the older style inits, and there's also some weird newcomers like GNU Shepherd with completely different feature sets.
>>107821629Epic schizo posting lmao, seriously seek help
>>107823253he is very right, we are fucked.hw is backdooredsw is backdooredcommunity is in disarray bitching abou coc and politics. bearded gurus were displaced by trannies.someone is rubbing hands somewhere.
>>107823498>muh backdoordoesn't matter if you're not a pedo or terrorist and you've probably more serious problems than muh backdoor if you're one. also nothing stops you from building your own OS or even computer from scratch, look at SerenityOS, all the non systemd distros (eg Tin Can Linux, Alice, Alpine and tons of others), then Commander 16, the new C64 Ultimate, risc-v/arm shit. so when resident schizo clowns claims he can't do anything whithout having the feds on his back it sounds like a (((pedo/schizo))) problem to me. And oh no he can't do his project because they bought a name he had planned to use lmao, 100% schizo babble.
>>107823730Do you even listen, it doesn't fucking matter because computers are fucked at the hardware level, do you think I can build a fucking CPU?>doesn't matter if you're not a pedo or terroristOf course, you would think that until the government labels you as one, for any reason they want, and then there's nothing you can do to disprove it...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came
>>107820235that's a dumb argument.>what do you mean this component is unnecessarily complicated?>this other more important component is way more complicated.
>>107817360They’re not the counter-culture independent thinkers they pretend to be. They’re no better than the mindless slop consumers that plague this industry. They are just more arrogant.
>>107823957and how is that related to computer hardware and systemd, do you really think having a backdoor or not on your computer or using a specific init is what will stop a fascist government from fucking you over. you schizos always have cp/loli and that's why you turn into schizo freaks (btw schizo poster couldn't help himself and had to avatar fag with tranime >>107821817>>107821730). the gov can just claim you didn't pay your taxes, plant drug in your home or any other random shit that has nothing to do with computers but somehow they always find tons of CP when they raid some schizo, I wonder why lmao.
>>107824033Goycattle opinion. Going to install Flock security in your bathroom, put it on a database that will be hacked and have everything leaked, and then tie everything you've ever wrote on your computer to your real name so when employers see it when doing a background check. Also, change laws to make something you did or said in the pass illegal.That's the world we're heading towards / pretty much already at. If you don't care about security then you're just low IQ and your opinions on tech mean nothing
>>107824033By the way >>107821817 is still right, and you haven't made any valid argument to against him other than "hurr durr he posted tranime".Apparently everyone who cares about security is either a terrorist or a pedo to you, which makes me either think you're a glownigger or a useful idiot.
>>107823730>muh I have nothing to hide (and trust the authorities)you are clearly retarded, midwit argument.My brother in law uses it often. He studied political science so as midwit as it gets. Somehow he omits he smokes weed since highschool, ordered some other drugs from darknet and doesn't pay taxes on his crypto, pirates media..etc..
>>107824124>no valid argumentmy point is the guy a complete schizo>they bought all the domains with my distro name so I can't build the distro>they killed my friend Ian>they won't let me build my distro>they put me on the no flight list because I don't use systemd>tranimewhen it comes to the state of amerifatland you should probably be more worried about getting shot by some random cop or ice agent than muh glownigger backdoor and systemd spook.>>107824109>background checktoo low IQ to make money without working for someone?
>>107824131>Somehow he omits he smokes weed since highschool, ordered some other drugs from darknet and doesn't pay taxes on his crypto, pirates media..etc..yet I guess he's still not in jail but somehow the tranime schizos end up getting in trouble, I wonder what it is they are so worried about hiding that ends up getting them in trouble.
it just werks.
>>107817360SystemD isn't that bad. If you criticize Poettering criticize him for PulseAudio, cause that one's a piece of shit.
>>107824929it's systemd
>>107822551>>107825194
>>107824929Pulseaudio is literally the best invention ever. So easy to customize and so easy to have different output or input for everything. I miss pavucontrol so fucking much
>>107817360Userspace-only reboot implemented as soft-reboot in systemd. I don't think this is implemented in many other init systems. Using this combined with a rolling release distro such as arch is a reason to use systemd. As you should reboot after updates to avoid weird glitches. For me this means that I don't have to wait for bios, enter encryption password and wait for all of my 256 gb ram to be initialized when rebooting linux. This adds up to maybe a minute, compared to soft-reboot being done in maybe 10 seconds.Ive only used arch since I switched to Linux in 2021. But I think I should try different different init systems at some point to see how they differ to systemd in practice.
>Why If you want Linux desktop to be great you have to have a foundation to build on. If you are a developer you don't want to support 7 different init standards. That means you have to pick one and systemd is just popular. That means everything just werks on systemd and is a pain in the ass on everything else. The other reason is there has to be a reason to dislike it, but honestly there isn't a strong reason to hate it. >CVE Every piece of software has these and they are quickly handled. The alternatives don't see as many CVE because almost no one uses them so no one is interested in investigating and looking for CVE in the alternatives. >Power of basic script for init A basic script usually does less for you than systemd which still can handle cases other init systems don't like not leaving orphaned processes spawned by processes that were killed by the init system. That or creating init dependencies so you can force an order to things. >Bloat You can just ignore the non init part of systemd and just use the useful parts like most sisters choose to do.
>>107825214Pulseaudio was better than using only ALSA. But ever since pipewire was released I don't see any reason to stick to pulseaudio, other than if you are using a 5 year old stable distro, without it in the repos.Pipewire has it's own protocol, and supports both pulseaudio and jack sources. One feature I feature I can't live without is the way you can just connect audio inputs and outputs with programs like qjackctl.
Who cares about a fucking init system, like come on. I just use the easiest linux distro (Fedora) to watch anime, make stuff, do my job and run my gaymes inside a linux vm. I couldn't care less if Fedora used systemd, SysVinit, s6 etc.>insert the erotic games 2ch post dot jpeg
>>107825214i remember pulseaudio having issues. pipewire for me has had none.also linux had issues liek fuckin crazy before systemd. anti systemd posters are the arch linux fatso meme. i dont want to spend tens of hours a week configuring my distro i just want the shit to work
neets don't like it when things actually work and don't need manual tinkering because now they're lost and don't know what to do
>>107817360It works but it does too much. If systemd was just an init system + service manager, I'd probably use it. It's admittedly pretty good at that. But overall systemd is a big suite of software haphazardly thrown together in the same git repo for questionable reasons. Lots of components should really be totally separate programs and not tightly within the systemd monolith (inb4 someone says it has a gazillion binaries so of course it's modular).
>>107818944>>107819108you can configure logs with literally a single word you stupid retards. but also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with binary logs. what is your specific issue with binary logs?
>>107827082systemd uses some NIH format which scales poorly and and is slow as shit.https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2460
>>107817360when zoomers took over and they are retarded lolsame reason github desktop took over lolsame reason ai is taking over lolsame reason they are unemployed lol
>>107827211when you say scale, what do you mean? you do realize that logging is supposed to scale into logging infrastructure, right? do you actually think you supposed to handle like billions of logs with systemd? is that actually what you're complaining about?
>>107827219systemd isn't related to github or AI
can someone post the>lennart poettering, give me more systemdhentai pic?
>>107827327see what I mean lolall autistic and retarded lol
>>107827319when you have a lot of logs (nothing super crazy GBs of logs), journald becomes very slow when querying them as explained in the linked issue>hurr durr you're not supposed to do thatokay well maybe they shouldn't have made a half-assed implementation of a central logging service? you asked what was wrong with systemd's binary logs and I explained it.
>>107827354why must you append that to the end of every sentence? lol
>>107817360Gerrit Pape is just more manly. I mean, the surname alone, right?
I love Harry Potter
>>107827354nope you're just dumb lol
>>107827363>when you have a lot of logs (nothing super crazy GBs of logs), journald becomes very slow when querying them as explained in the linked issueshow me your command that's slow>okay well maybe they shouldn't have made a half-assed implementation of a central logging service?you're obviously not an infrastructure/devops guy, you're very obviously a computer novice, so there's no point in talking to you about this. you should try to learn more about proper infrastructure. let me know what you have the command that is slow
>>107817360Nah, i hate the lil dick faggot.And systemd, too
