Thank you xi
i've been told for decades that china bad china tech bad but i haven't had any issues all the chinese miocrocontrollers i've used, and they're much cheaper than the western "originals". maybe chinese ram isn't so bad
Wait for real?Is china already producing ram?
>>107818621>i've been told for decades that china bad china tech bad but i haven't had any issues all the chinese miocrocontrollers i've used, and they're much cheaper than the western "originals". maybe chinese ram isn't so badIn my opinion it's always the batteries that are concerning with china, never had good luck with that other stuff is fine.
>>107818634the chinese showed their first homegrown ddr5 2 months ago.
>>107818652china makes almost 100% of the world's lifepo4 batteries which are the safest battery typejapan and korea are better at making normal li-ion batteries though
>>107818591>does nothing>winsHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>107818666>china makes almost 100% of the world's lifepo4 batteries which are the safest battery typeThat's the weird part Satan, if they come form things like aliexpress or similar it's a fire hazard, I had them break fast or bloat up which I have never experienced form buying them form normal stores. Never had problems with other products form there.
>>107818657>the chinese showed their first homegrown ddr5 2 months ago.Nice, let's hope we will start seeing them online soon.
>>107818634Samsung is such a negro that their engineers have to jump ship to China just to not go to hell.
>>107818621china tech bad and china tech good can be true at the same time if there are good products and bad products all mixed together on the same websites with similarly poor branding and poorly translated marketing materials.
>china makes ram>same companies buying up all the good ram start buying all the chinese ramwhy do you think it would be any other way?
>>107818621waiting for them gpus and the early adopters wave to see how it goes
>>107818724samsung and sk hynix both said they don't want to "risk oversupply" (meaning they don't want to increase production and want to draw out the shortage as long as possible)
>>107818724Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung are known bad actors that do price fixing. CXMT hasn't have such record yet.
>>107818591>Enjoying a RAM? A sanctioned Chinese RAM?
>>107818621I'm using chinese cheap ram for 2 years, no issues so far, works fine
>>107818657>CXMT got sanctioned before they even started making ddr5what are (((they))) so afraid of?
>>107818591How long before chinesium DDR5 hits aliexpress/temu? I won't be able to hold the urge to consoom until 2028
>>107818591Never done a PC with chinese parts before. Let's say I want a mid range PC, is it possible or are they still far behind?
>>107818739>CXMT hasn't have such record yet.Yeah because CXMT has never been competitive enough to ever be able to do so lmao
>>107818724because buying chinese hardware is illegalso consumers win here, for once
>>107818811There's not much point. You're stuck with AMD/Intel/Nvidia for the CPU/GPU anyway (if you actually plan on running anything acceptably), so at best you're buying a cheap chink motherboard and cooler from AliExpress that probably won't work out all that cheap in the end anyway (plus no warranty). RAM is a different matter as you should take what you can get right now, but nobody's selling this stuff yet anyway. All the chink sticks of RAM currently on AE have the same Hynix/Samsung/Micron ICs as the ones you can buy locally.
>>107818811I would say the only part worth risking would be RAM.CPU is either AMD or IntelGPU is either AMD Nvidia or IntelChinks do have cheap motherboards but they aren't that great and the driver support isn't as good as the established brandsSSDs - not worth the risk of getting something shittyPSU - best to stick with the decent ones
>>107818591>Two companies control 85% of the market>Those two companies decide to stop making consumer grade products>Gubermin sanctions foreign company that still makes consumer products>So now if you want affordable products, you need to resort to buying sanctioned productsHow the hell did everyone agree this situation is okay to be in?And why the hell did trump just ban cxmt after the dram crisis already started?
>>107818621+200 social creditkeep going and maybe your family can leave the labor camps
>>107818738I wonder what they'd do if demand for HBM drops, will they just dial that down without pivoting any of it to DRAM?
Its funny because I've been saying chinese PC parts were going to be here 2 years ago and western leaders are going to bend hand and foot to XI, even trump.He can cope by banning chinese EV's, chinese phones, chinese tech, chinese gpus. He can sanction all that but when AI and military weapons get advanced, he will have no choice to bend the knee.Hes going to beg because america or any of its allies just cannot produce tech at the level chinese can.For multiple reasons, due to infrastructure, governments, unstable populations, rising prices, mass immigration, infinite money printing. Chinese society is just much more advanced.AI is going to be to much of a demand for the west, they cant even make artillery shells on a military front to supply oookraine how the fuck are they going to mass produce electronics for warefare like hypersonic missiles or AI powered drone barrages. All your air carriers are useless to AI drone bombs. They cant so eventually china is just going to stranglehold the west with advanced tech and eventually lose any war because US is just so far behind in tech and manufacturing.Taiwan is just china lite they only make semiconductors because of chinese who defected.The west WILL be dogs and bend to china before 2030.
>>107819111>How the hell did everyone agree this situation is okay to be in?>Other companies dip their toes into production>Companies decide not to go further because R&D won't produce profitable results>Infrastructure would take 4+ years minimum and everyone knows the first batches would be the worst ones, thus killing the reputation for those brandsIt's really a big mystery.>And why the hell did trump just ban cxmt after the dram crisis already started?Chinkware bad for Murrica (according to Trumpy), simple as.
>>107818739>Samsung is such a negro that their engineers >>107818739>Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung are known bad actors that do price fixing.What a bunch of kikes. Why the fuck do we need Big RAM/Big NAND?
>>107818591Is this going to be another case of greed handing Chinese companies a market on a platter? They'll probably end up joining the memory cartel, but it'd be nice if they can apply downward pressure to force their competition to cut prices.
>>107818666My Lenovo gaming laptop has BYD battery and hasn't exploded yet. Even have the rapid charging feature turned on
kioxia should make DRAM
>>107819028>SSDsYMTC NAND and Maxio controllers is fine. The brand is called ZHITAI.
Cheap technology is bad for the white race, that's why you should buy ram that costs a hundred times more.Always tax the technology so it's expensive.Solar panels sold cheaply by china should be expensive so nobody can farm electricity. Electric cars should be expensive even though china makes them cheap because nobody should own an electric car. Chinese ram should be expensive even though they sell it for cheap just because nobody deserves to have any ram.Why? It's for national security so we can jerk off to blond people.
>>107819191>The west WILL be dogs and bend to china before 2030It's better to own nothing and be happy than to own something chinese. If you can't afford a new computer, don't buy one.
>>107818591CXMT may save us yet.
>>107819613>It's better to own nothing and be happy than to own something chinese.Nice try Klaus Schwab.This is save the kids tier arguments.
>>107818634They stole the best tech from Korea not long ago and just got found out.
>>107818710What does that even mean?
china wins! because they purposefully let the west hate them and their culture and products. they win by doing fucking nothing!! for like, the last 20+ years lol. it's sad how effective it is, and how many dumb oldfag white nogs perpetuate it ad nauseum.
>>107818591and here is where the lawusuits start flying>mfw
>>107818738>even MORE blatant market manipulationyeah you're getting sured
>>107818591Well that's fast. Not even a month.
>>107818738How can you have a risk of oversupply if the only people currently able to purchase memory are the people running AI datafarms? Clearly bs. Thank god for the Chinese ruining western manufacturers plan to artificially restrict supply. Three cheers for the communists!
>>107820203They don't want to oversupply the datafarms.. The rest of the market is a rounding error sales-wise and is inconsequential.
>>107820203>How can you have a risk of oversupply if the only people currently able to purchase memory are the people running AI datafarms? They think the bubble is going to pop soon and the market is going to get flooded with cheap ram from bankrupt data centres. There isn't a big dial on the ram making machine that they can set to "moar nao pls," increasing supply means procuring more equipment and hiring more staff. They're betting that the bubble won't last even that long.
>>107820294Then they can simply fire some staff when it’s over.
>>107818634RAM is simplest chip to make probably easier that you motherboard sound chipThe whole RAM shortage is sucha fucking bullshit its not even funny, Micron already tried that stunt before>now its not the same AI is realSame shit happened thenThey expected dotcom boom in advance and got fucked so much so word was they were giving shit for free to free warehouses so they can continue production
>>107820385>The whole RAM shortage is sucha fucking bullshit its not even funnyWhether it's a real phenomenon or some greasy merhcant trick is irrelevant when the ludicrous prices are both real and here to stay for the time being
>>107818591> put this CCP spyware into your memory slot where you store all datalol, lmao even
>>107820451What does the average person care if this is the case? Serious question. The Chinese government has no jurisdiction over me and the American government already had shitloads of spyware in everything. What difference does it make?
Been waitfagging for 5 years, 2 more won't kill me
Where are those chinese dram modules sold? On aliexpress its mostly harvested micron, hinyx and samung, I have never seen chinese ram in the wild.
>>107820484This argument is so retarded only Americans use it.
>>107820294It's not going to be cheap, but it'll be cheaper than right now. Historically these kind of price rises don't last. Eventually weak institutional players will fail to secure capital and it'll create a price floor that lasts a year or two until the shit really hits the fan.
>>107820495I've seen them on taobao but they're very low volume and much harder to find
>>107818591>Complete with backdoor Chinese so hard hard coded into the chips!
>He doesn't buy prebuilts during ___gheddons
>>107820451How exactly is the RAM module going to spy on you? Like how does the module send data out to the chink mothership? By what possible method?
>>107820500Yeah that's what I thought.
>>107820203>How can you have a risk of oversupply if the only people currently able to purchase memory are the people running AI datafarms?They probably think that the AI frothing retardation is going to stop by the time they spin up more factories and then they're fucked and left with factories which serve no purpose.
>>107820517>American is so retarded he accuses others of being AmericanYou need to stop glowmaxxing and lay off the burgers fag
>>107820385> RAM is simplest chip to make probably easier that you motherboard sound chipRetard.
>>107818621>i've been told for decades that china bad china tech badI guess you've never opened chinese capacitors to find that they are literally just filled with dirt. If you had actually lived long enough and had a few dozen experiences like that you would have formed a meaningful opinion on the subject.
>>107820757In terms of circuit complexity it kind of is. Most of the chip is the same simple circuit repeated hundreds of millions of times. The challenge is getting it to switch states really fast, hold data reliably, and be manufactured reliably enough that they aren't throwing away too much of every batch.
>>107820757You shoot light at a fucking rock and a stencil. Big fucking deal. It's so "advance" that it was literally the cheapest part of a computer you could buy. The only issue is one jew and a paper that says a percentage goes to sit in a warehouse and do FUCKING NOTHING first. Even worse comes in SOCAMM format so even if he wanted to sell it to the consumer market it's fucking worthless.
>>107820484Our spyware keeps you safeTheir spyware poses a danger to you
>>107820515It's not that far out of the question given what we've seen in the Intel ME. Though I don't think a RAM module can coopt the network card to send data since it's just connected to the memory controller and not the system bus. So it would have to be a backdoor that interfaces with malware running inside the OS. It could for instance have some secret pattern of accesses that causes it to copy some bytes from one place to another. That could be used by malware to read secret data from other processes or change kernel memory to give itself root access.
>>107819274BYD is a pretty reputable manufacturer. It's when you start buying random fake "10,000mAh" cells on aliexpress when you start getting problems.
can't wait to flex my chinese mobo, cpu, ram and gpu. fuck israel and fuck the us of a.
>>107820850Retard, read >>107820827
>>107820515>How exactly is the RAM module going to spy on you?modify data in memory, in response to special password sequence.to enable viruses.
>>107821049>>How exactly is the RAM module going to spy on you?>modify data in memory, in response to special password sequence.>to enable viruses.to clarify. if you can make your computer override any part of ram with your data, than that is all you need to get full root (and above).make ram chip so that, if it sees byte sequence being written in patter of:CHINK-CHONG-PING-PONG-123456789-aaaaaa then it writes all the data [aaaaa] into memory physical address 123456789.even better, if it seesSUM-THIN-WONG-WE-TOO-LOW-AW-OUCH-1234567-2222-3333333, then it takes moves the data from address 1234567, of length 2222, into your address 3333333.Now you can read and write all ram. Trivially easy to pwn entire computer along with root, VM, hypervisor, memory/cpu built in firmware and everything else.
>>107818739>>107818820by being greedy and price fixing they're just begging to get a 4th competitor to come in and break up their triopoly
>>107820895>>107821049>>107821074Yeah but all that implies that malware is already installed on the system in order to exploit the memory backdoor, the malware still has to get installed somehow.
>>107818591Where and when can I preorder? Oh, and death to South Korea.
>>107818634They have been making DDR4 since 2017 (volume production since 2019). Get with the times grandpa.
>>107819111About 2,000 people that have taken more than 50% of earth's wealth decided that this was okay because only poor goy like us suffer as a result. The dancing cat video is more than worth it
>>107820873How so?>>107820500Then refute it, or did you forget your explaining loisence at home?
Chinese hardware is riddled with remote kill switches. Importing this shit will be heavily restricted.
>>107818591Fuck off, I want my backdoors to be american and american only
>>107818657Their first homegrown DDR5-8000. They've been selling DDR5-6000 kits for over a year now.
>>107818591It would be incredibly amusing to me if all these piece of shit companies that refuse to make more RAM in order to keep prices insane would end up with less market share in the long run because of it.
>>107818747>He doesn't buy his RAM from Bunningsngmi
>>107820203>western manufacturers>samsung>sk hynixis this a meme or something
>>107821251The backdoor just has to exist and they can worry about getting the malware there later.For a mass surveillance campaign they'd run ads that have either Javascript that performs the magic sequence of accesses, or even an image file that causes common decoders to do it. For the Javascript method they'd just need to snoop the data they want or elevate the process. For the image decoder way the backdoor would have to be cleverly designed so the image being decoded can modify the stack of the decoder to execute code embedded in the image, while still decoding to a sensible image and doing nothing on a system without their RAM.For targeted attacks they would probably do the usual social engineering tactics to get someone in the target office to open a link or attachment. Or they could go full Mossad and make a worm that spreads everywhere and doesn't do much of anything interesting unless it detects it's where they want to attack.
>>107819111You voted for this
>>107821368So where can I buy 32 or 64Gb of Chink DDR4 3200 then?
>>107818591MCGA
