Thank you xi
i've been told for decades that china bad china tech bad but i haven't had any issues all the chinese miocrocontrollers i've used, and they're much cheaper than the western "originals". maybe chinese ram isn't so bad
Wait for real?Is china already producing ram?
>>107818621>i've been told for decades that china bad china tech bad but i haven't had any issues all the chinese miocrocontrollers i've used, and they're much cheaper than the western "originals". maybe chinese ram isn't so badIn my opinion it's always the batteries that are concerning with china, never had good luck with that other stuff is fine.
>>107818634the chinese showed their first homegrown ddr5 2 months ago.
>>107818652china makes almost 100% of the world's lifepo4 batteries which are the safest battery typejapan and korea are better at making normal li-ion batteries though
>>107818591>does nothing>winsHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>107818666>china makes almost 100% of the world's lifepo4 batteries which are the safest battery typeThat's the weird part Satan, if they come form things like aliexpress or similar it's a fire hazard, I had them break fast or bloat up which I have never experienced form buying them form normal stores. Never had problems with other products form there.
>>107818657>the chinese showed their first homegrown ddr5 2 months ago.Nice, let's hope we will start seeing them online soon.
>>107818634Samsung is such a negro that their engineers have to jump ship to China just to not go to hell.
>>107818621china tech bad and china tech good can be true at the same time if there are good products and bad products all mixed together on the same websites with similarly poor branding and poorly translated marketing materials.
>china makes ram>same companies buying up all the good ram start buying all the chinese ramwhy do you think it would be any other way?
>>107818621waiting for them gpus and the early adopters wave to see how it goes
>>107818724samsung and sk hynix both said they don't want to "risk oversupply" (meaning they don't want to increase production and want to draw out the shortage as long as possible)
>>107818724Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung are known bad actors that do price fixing. CXMT hasn't have such record yet.
>>107818591>Enjoying a RAM? A sanctioned Chinese RAM?
>>107818621I'm using chinese cheap ram for 2 years, no issues so far, works fine
>>107818657>CXMT got sanctioned before they even started making ddr5what are (((they))) so afraid of?
>>107818591How long before chinesium DDR5 hits aliexpress/temu? I won't be able to hold the urge to consoom until 2028
>>107818591Never done a PC with chinese parts before. Let's say I want a mid range PC, is it possible or are they still far behind?
>>107818739>CXMT hasn't have such record yet.Yeah because CXMT has never been competitive enough to ever be able to do so lmao
>>107818724because buying chinese hardware is illegalso consumers win here, for once
>>107818811There's not much point. You're stuck with AMD/Intel/Nvidia for the CPU/GPU anyway (if you actually plan on running anything acceptably), so at best you're buying a cheap chink motherboard and cooler from AliExpress that probably won't work out all that cheap in the end anyway (plus no warranty). RAM is a different matter as you should take what you can get right now, but nobody's selling this stuff yet anyway. All the chink sticks of RAM currently on AE have the same Hynix/Samsung/Micron ICs as the ones you can buy locally.
>>107818811I would say the only part worth risking would be RAM.CPU is either AMD or IntelGPU is either AMD Nvidia or IntelChinks do have cheap motherboards but they aren't that great and the driver support isn't as good as the established brandsSSDs - not worth the risk of getting something shittyPSU - best to stick with the decent ones
>>107818591>Two companies control 85% of the market>Those two companies decide to stop making consumer grade products>Gubermin sanctions foreign company that still makes consumer products>So now if you want affordable products, you need to resort to buying sanctioned productsHow the hell did everyone agree this situation is okay to be in?And why the hell did trump just ban cxmt after the dram crisis already started?
>>107818621+200 social creditkeep going and maybe your family can leave the labor camps
>>107818738I wonder what they'd do if demand for HBM drops, will they just dial that down without pivoting any of it to DRAM?
Its funny because I've been saying chinese PC parts were going to be here 2 years ago and western leaders are going to bend hand and foot to XI, even trump.He can cope by banning chinese EV's, chinese phones, chinese tech, chinese gpus. He can sanction all that but when AI and military weapons get advanced, he will have no choice to bend the knee.Hes going to beg because america or any of its allies just cannot produce tech at the level chinese can.For multiple reasons, due to infrastructure, governments, unstable populations, rising prices, mass immigration, infinite money printing. Chinese society is just much more advanced.AI is going to be to much of a demand for the west, they cant even make artillery shells on a military front to supply oookraine how the fuck are they going to mass produce electronics for warefare like hypersonic missiles or AI powered drone barrages. All your air carriers are useless to AI drone bombs. They cant so eventually china is just going to stranglehold the west with advanced tech and eventually lose any war because US is just so far behind in tech and manufacturing.Taiwan is just china lite they only make semiconductors because of chinese who defected.The west WILL be dogs and bend to china before 2030.
>>107819111>How the hell did everyone agree this situation is okay to be in?>Other companies dip their toes into production>Companies decide not to go further because R&D won't produce profitable results>Infrastructure would take 4+ years minimum and everyone knows the first batches would be the worst ones, thus killing the reputation for those brandsIt's really a big mystery.>And why the hell did trump just ban cxmt after the dram crisis already started?Chinkware bad for Murrica (according to Trumpy), simple as.
>>107818739>Samsung is such a negro that their engineers >>107818739>Micron, SK Hynix and Samsung are known bad actors that do price fixing.What a bunch of kikes. Why the fuck do we need Big RAM/Big NAND?
>>107818591Is this going to be another case of greed handing Chinese companies a market on a platter? They'll probably end up joining the memory cartel, but it'd be nice if they can apply downward pressure to force their competition to cut prices.
>>107818666My Lenovo gaming laptop has BYD battery and hasn't exploded yet. Even have the rapid charging feature turned on
kioxia should make DRAM
>>107819028>SSDsYMTC NAND and Maxio controllers is fine. The brand is called ZHITAI.
Cheap technology is bad for the white race, that's why you should buy ram that costs a hundred times more.Always tax the technology so it's expensive.Solar panels sold cheaply by china should be expensive so nobody can farm electricity. Electric cars should be expensive even though china makes them cheap because nobody should own an electric car. Chinese ram should be expensive even though they sell it for cheap just because nobody deserves to have any ram.Why? It's for national security so we can jerk off to blond people.
>>107819191>The west WILL be dogs and bend to china before 2030It's better to own nothing and be happy than to own something chinese. If you can't afford a new computer, don't buy one.
>>107818591CXMT may save us yet.
>>107819613>It's better to own nothing and be happy than to own something chinese.Nice try Klaus Schwab.This is save the kids tier arguments.
>>107818634They stole the best tech from Korea not long ago and just got found out.
>>107818710What does that even mean?
china wins! because they purposefully let the west hate them and their culture and products. they win by doing fucking nothing!! for like, the last 20+ years lol. it's sad how effective it is, and how many dumb oldfag white nogs perpetuate it ad nauseum.
>>107818591and here is where the lawusuits start flying>mfw
>>107818738>even MORE blatant market manipulationyeah you're getting sured
>>107818591Well that's fast. Not even a month.
>>107818738How can you have a risk of oversupply if the only people currently able to purchase memory are the people running AI datafarms? Clearly bs. Thank god for the Chinese ruining western manufacturers plan to artificially restrict supply. Three cheers for the communists!
>>107820203They don't want to oversupply the datafarms.. The rest of the market is a rounding error sales-wise and is inconsequential.
>>107820203>How can you have a risk of oversupply if the only people currently able to purchase memory are the people running AI datafarms? They think the bubble is going to pop soon and the market is going to get flooded with cheap ram from bankrupt data centres. There isn't a big dial on the ram making machine that they can set to "moar nao pls," increasing supply means procuring more equipment and hiring more staff. They're betting that the bubble won't last even that long.
>>107820294Then they can simply fire some staff when it’s over.
>>107818634RAM is simplest chip to make probably easier that you motherboard sound chipThe whole RAM shortage is sucha fucking bullshit its not even funny, Micron already tried that stunt before>now its not the same AI is realSame shit happened thenThey expected dotcom boom in advance and got fucked so much so word was they were giving shit for free to free warehouses so they can continue production
>>107820385>The whole RAM shortage is sucha fucking bullshit its not even funnyWhether it's a real phenomenon or some greasy merhcant trick is irrelevant when the ludicrous prices are both real and here to stay for the time being
>>107818591> put this CCP spyware into your memory slot where you store all datalol, lmao even
>>107820451What does the average person care if this is the case? Serious question. The Chinese government has no jurisdiction over me and the American government already had shitloads of spyware in everything. What difference does it make?
Been waitfagging for 5 years, 2 more won't kill me
Where are those chinese dram modules sold? On aliexpress its mostly harvested micron, hinyx and samung, I have never seen chinese ram in the wild.
>>107820484This argument is so retarded only Americans use it.
>>107820294It's not going to be cheap, but it'll be cheaper than right now. Historically these kind of price rises don't last. Eventually weak institutional players will fail to secure capital and it'll create a price floor that lasts a year or two until the shit really hits the fan.
>>107820495I've seen them on taobao but they're very low volume and much harder to find
>>107818591>Complete with backdoor Chinese so hard hard coded into the chips!
>He doesn't buy prebuilts during ___gheddons
>>107820451How exactly is the RAM module going to spy on you? Like how does the module send data out to the chink mothership? By what possible method?
>>107820500Yeah that's what I thought.
>>107820203>How can you have a risk of oversupply if the only people currently able to purchase memory are the people running AI datafarms?They probably think that the AI frothing retardation is going to stop by the time they spin up more factories and then they're fucked and left with factories which serve no purpose.
>>107820517>American is so retarded he accuses others of being AmericanYou need to stop glowmaxxing and lay off the burgers fag
>>107820385> RAM is simplest chip to make probably easier that you motherboard sound chipRetard.
>>107818621>i've been told for decades that china bad china tech badI guess you've never opened chinese capacitors to find that they are literally just filled with dirt. If you had actually lived long enough and had a few dozen experiences like that you would have formed a meaningful opinion on the subject.
>>107820757In terms of circuit complexity it kind of is. Most of the chip is the same simple circuit repeated hundreds of millions of times. The challenge is getting it to switch states really fast, hold data reliably, and be manufactured reliably enough that they aren't throwing away too much of every batch.
>>107820757You shoot light at a fucking rock and a stencil. Big fucking deal. It's so "advance" that it was literally the cheapest part of a computer you could buy. The only issue is one jew and a paper that says a percentage goes to sit in a warehouse and do FUCKING NOTHING first. Even worse comes in SOCAMM format so even if he wanted to sell it to the consumer market it's fucking worthless.
>>107820484Our spyware keeps you safeTheir spyware poses a danger to you
>>107820515It's not that far out of the question given what we've seen in the Intel ME. Though I don't think a RAM module can coopt the network card to send data since it's just connected to the memory controller and not the system bus. So it would have to be a backdoor that interfaces with malware running inside the OS. It could for instance have some secret pattern of accesses that causes it to copy some bytes from one place to another. That could be used by malware to read secret data from other processes or change kernel memory to give itself root access.
>>107819274BYD is a pretty reputable manufacturer. It's when you start buying random fake "10,000mAh" cells on aliexpress when you start getting problems.
can't wait to flex my chinese mobo, cpu, ram and gpu. fuck israel and fuck the us of a.
>>107820850Retard, read >>107820827
>>107820515>How exactly is the RAM module going to spy on you?modify data in memory, in response to special password sequence.to enable viruses.
>>107821049>>How exactly is the RAM module going to spy on you?>modify data in memory, in response to special password sequence.>to enable viruses.to clarify. if you can make your computer override any part of ram with your data, than that is all you need to get full root (and above).make ram chip so that, if it sees byte sequence being written in patter of:CHINK-CHONG-PING-PONG-123456789-aaaaaa then it writes all the data [aaaaa] into memory physical address 123456789.even better, if it seesSUM-THIN-WONG-WE-TOO-LOW-AW-OUCH-1234567-2222-3333333, then it takes moves the data from address 1234567, of length 2222, into your address 3333333.Now you can read and write all ram. Trivially easy to pwn entire computer along with root, VM, hypervisor, memory/cpu built in firmware and everything else.
>>107818739>>107818820by being greedy and price fixing they're just begging to get a 4th competitor to come in and break up their triopoly
>>107820895>>107821049>>107821074Yeah but all that implies that malware is already installed on the system in order to exploit the memory backdoor, the malware still has to get installed somehow.
>>107818591Where and when can I preorder? Oh, and death to South Korea.
>>107818634They have been making DDR4 since 2017 (volume production since 2019). Get with the times grandpa.
>>107819111About 2,000 people that have taken more than 50% of earth's wealth decided that this was okay because only poor goy like us suffer as a result. The dancing cat video is more than worth it
>>107820873How so?>>107820500Then refute it, or did you forget your explaining loisence at home?
Chinese hardware is riddled with remote kill switches. Importing this shit will be heavily restricted.
>>107818591Fuck off, I want my backdoors to be american and american only
>>107818657Their first homegrown DDR5-8000. They've been selling DDR5-6000 kits for over a year now.
>>107818591It would be incredibly amusing to me if all these piece of shit companies that refuse to make more RAM in order to keep prices insane would end up with less market share in the long run because of it.
>>107818747>He doesn't buy his RAM from Bunningsngmi
>>107820203>western manufacturers>samsung>sk hynixis this a meme or something
>>107821251The backdoor just has to exist and they can worry about getting the malware there later.For a mass surveillance campaign they'd run ads that have either Javascript that performs the magic sequence of accesses, or even an image file that causes common decoders to do it. For the Javascript method they'd just need to snoop the data they want or elevate the process. For the image decoder way the backdoor would have to be cleverly designed so the image being decoded can modify the stack of the decoder to execute code embedded in the image, while still decoding to a sensible image and doing nothing on a system without their RAM.For targeted attacks they would probably do the usual social engineering tactics to get someone in the target office to open a link or attachment. Or they could go full Mossad and make a worm that spreads everywhere and doesn't do much of anything interesting unless it detects it's where they want to attack.
>>107819111You voted for this
>>107821368So where can I buy 32 or 64Gb of Chink DDR4 3200 then?
>>107818591MCGA
>>107818738I'd gladly switch over to chink ram rather than pay a cent more to those kikes.
>>107818657what is the difference in lpddr5 to ddr5i get lp is low power for phones but why not just use that in pc they have the same MT
>western manufacturers tell their customers to fuck off and die so they can make money off the AI bubble>their customers do fuck off but don't die and go to China instead>China isn't as good to begin with, but ultimately the influx of western money and standards brings them up at least to par after a few years>AI markets correct hard and/or AI companies realise they can get the same product cheaper in China now, contracts dry up for western manufacturerswat nou?
>>107819599Its just cope as america loses influence. America won't be relevant or sanctions won't matter when Russia achieves victory in Ukraine and China takes TaiwanWhen that happens EU NATO are going to abandon america and NATO so fast it will be funny. Then America will be alone. Not even Canada likes America.
I've been using Chinese RAM for years (DDR4, Puskill) never had a problem. I welcome my Chinese overlords
>>107818738They know that the AI bubble may collapse any time and don't want to be left holding the bag of half-built DRAM production lines.
>>107823693>when Russia achieves victory in Ukraine and China takes Taiwantwo more years!
>>107822060daddy Trump does not allow you to have some
>>107823774I actually have a Puskill DDR4, too. Is it really Chinese? This shit doesn't even have XMP, not that would use it, but still...
>>107818591THIS IS WHAT I VOTED FORBASED TRUMPUSA WONAMERICANS WONBASED 0% TARIFFS ON CHINESE TECHCHEAP CHINESE RAM IN OUR COMPUTERS
>>107818621electrical engineer herethe china bad myth came from late 80s early 90s when japanese capacitor manufacturers were undercut by chinese ones and since chinese would just copy-paste they essentially did few issues and capacitors would blow up
>>107823985Some cheap DDR4 options use CXMT chips, including some from Silicon Power and KingBank. You can find CXMT DDR5 in kits from Gloway, KingBank, and supposedly Asgard but I've not seen one yet. I've never seen PUSKILL with CXMT chips, it's possible, but even their cheap RZX line typically uses Hynix.
>>107818724Not really.>AI companies buy up all ram>1 of 3 ram producing ram companies exit consumer space (Micron)>AI companies also buy up Chinese ramExcept that you CAN buy Chinese ram, by importing it yourself. There's no way for you to import Korean ram because they don't let you import directly, because AI companies got first dibs.
>>107818591kek look at how the Americans come crawling back to China to save them hahahaha.
>>107818690> I had them break fast or bloat upi've had that in samsung devices and laptops. this is common no matter where you get your lipo's from. the technology is shit.
>>107819261The west could've dominated EVs and battery technology if they weren't so greedy.>didn't upgrade the electric greed>didn't invest in renewables>didn't invest in charging infrastructure>didn't invest in lithium/battery technology>all because Big Oil is a trillion dollar a year industry and they don't want to lose market shareAll this could've been avoided 10 years ago with good government policies.
>>107819613go on then cuck own nothing and rent your whole life. pay every month to type on your keyboard that you rented. pay per word. pay per keystroke. you stupid fucking simp.
>>107821395>Importing this shit will be heavily restrictedFor individual consumers*Big corps can import it for themselves, and then sell it to you for a higher margin.You WILL buy the pre-built at 300% mark up.Big winning!
GLORY TO CCP!
>>107818621>i've been toldHave you tried actually forming your own opinion?
>>107825649that's a gross oversimplificationand also wrongthe only real case is Germany fumbling their total Solar tech dominance in the early 2000sbut even thereadjacent industry, like vacuum pumps, still are almost only Germanthe EV market is still in it's infancyVW has ~30% BEV market share in the EU with other EU companies like BMW or Stellantis on 2nd and 3rd placeTesla makes >40% of US salesChina did everything to prevent non-chinese ev brands to expand domestically, so that was never an optioncharging infrastructure IS dominated by the westABB & Siemens (+Tesla) make almost all fast charging stationsbattery technology is the only one currently in Chinese handsbut even therejust one leap innovation in SSB could disrupt the whole market and void all Chinese progress within <5y
>>107818591>>107818657If chinks manage to shit out good - or even just acceptable - ram kits in large quantities for a good price, and in the process obliterate the stock prices of Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron, I will hang a picture of Xi Jinping in my room and start learning Mandarin.
>>107826169>China did everything to prevent non-chinese ev brands to expand domesticallyWhereas the EU has historically rolled out the red carpet for Chinese EV tech, yeah?
>>107818747>GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY PENISTHIS ONE TOUCHED ME ON THE PEEEENIS PEOPLE!
>>107820757His is RAM chip more complex than audio chip again?and dont fucking >>107820980people you dont understand the tech behind.RAM production is as straighfoward as it get, butllshit like oh its so easy while every said in not relevant on sub10 nm process and is still same tech priniciple we do for 100 years this way or another is not explanationHow is RAM not cheapest and simples component to make so much so China can kickstart it from nothing
>>107826196You mean like that cuck Steve Burke?I tried to watch an GN video and that nigga did a whole advert in gaijin hook speech.I’m sure he thought he sounded cool but it was the cringiest shit I’ve ever heard
>>107819874Chink babble. Disregard.
>>107818681Wins what? The rest of the manufacturers are selling 100% of their production. They are the real winners.
>>107825649It's called lobbying.Big Oil pays the politicians paychecks.We haven't embraced nuclear for the same reason.
>>107826169>China did everything to prevent non-chinese ev brands to expand domesticallyThere are plenty Tesla's in China but the vast majority of Chinese simply cannot afford a western EV.Hell, even most Europeans can't afford a western EV.
>>107818591how can HP do business with CXMT if they're sanctioned for the Micron shit?
>>107826320Is is ability, or is it the fact they can get something chinese-made with a similar spec for a lot lessYou can get an Xpeng G7 for two-thirds the price of a Model Y, similar specs in terms of power and range but it's based on 800V while the Y is still running on 400V.
>>107826480After taxes someone in France for example takes home about $30K per year.And Pierre is lucky to find a Model Y for $40K.That's a lot of money especially with cost of living being pretty high.
>>107826324Because it's all posturing and threats. Currently they're blocked from doing business directly with the US Government, and that's it. They can still do business in the US and sell their shit to Americans and American companies, just not government entities. They've been threatened with worse, none has come to fruition yet.They're currently shifting focus to primarily DDR5, they'll end up with total production of about 15% of Micron's capacity, and almost a third of that will still be making DDR4. They're a tiny part of the industry coming up on 5% of the global market on DRAM, and only a very small percentage of what they're making is being used to produce consumer RAM sticks. If they could up their total DDR5 production capacity by 5-fold in the next year, which is impossible, they'd still be the smallest major producer in the industry and represent less than 20% of global production.
>>107826480It really makes me so fucking mad that these sell for like 20K in China but by the time you get it into Europe it'll cost you 40+ solely because of the EU's "defensive" taxes that are definitely 100% different from protectionism
>>107826209>Whereas the EU has historically rolled out the red carpet for Chinese EV tech, yeah?nobut irrelevantthe point of discussion is if the west could've dominated EVsand whether or the west itself is open to foreign EVs is not of interest other than for considering potential counter measures>>107826320>vast majority of Chinese simply cannot afford a western EV5k-10k city cars are not the relevant marketwestern ICEs sold just fine in their respective segments>Hell, even most Europeans can't afford a western EV.they can and they do though...EU manufacturers have a market share of >70% in the EU for EVs, the rest is Koreans and Tesla, with the only relevant chinese being Geely with ~9%, mostly through Smart and Volvo>>107826635>that these sell for like 20K in China but by the time you get it into Europe it'll cost you 40+>solely because of the EU's "defensive" taxespartlybut mostly because you aren't allowed to sell products at a loss in the EUdumping prices are strictly forbiddenoutside of the ~top12 chinese car makers (which are almost all mid to luxury car makers)most chinese car manufacturers lose moneyand even the top12 are mostly only profitable because of cheap (semi)public loans (not that western car manufacturers are much different in that regard though)the massive consolidation is still going on
>>107826286>We haven't embraced nuclear for the same reason.We don't embrace nuclear because it's dangerous as fuck, expensive as fuck, and complicated as fuck and requires an army of actual competent people not just for the reactor but to comply with regulation and deal with the fallout of running a plant. Nobody wants to take 10 years building a nuclear plant only for everybody they'd service to move out and then have to spend 10 years decommissioning the plant. Nobody wants to deal with protestors crawling in their window at night because they drained the local lake to power the reactor and had a little oopsie whoopsie and irradiated several workers.Oh and good fucking luck maintaining the actual skill required in this rapidly browning world with a humiliation ritual school system. Lets see what happens when your nuclear team fights an ever escalating war to protect their own izzat from each other.The only reason nuclear is being shilled is because AI companies are paying to shill it because they need to power their cat generation engines.
>>107819874overworked, underpaid in s korea
>>107826746>EU manufacturers have a market share of >70% in the EU for EVsAnd Rolex has a market share of 32% of luxury watches.Most Europeans cannot afford an EV period.They just buy petrol or diesel cars instead.
>>107826776>dangerousAh you bought the government propaganda, good.Yes, be scared, very scary nuclear, buy our coal and oil instead hehe.
>>107820786if this has happened to you dozens of times then maybe you're the retard in this anecdote
>>107818621hardware isn't terrible, but their software is dogshit bad. Probably spyware too
>>107826843>a-amerrrica>p-plrease>s-s-stop...lmao century of humiliation continues
>>107826843>>107826849jeets or bots
>>107826873wumao spotted
>>107826843Their hardware design and branding is gaudy though. Chinese sensibilities are horrible.
>>107826887projection
>>107826888It's because their design language is informed by what they think Western customers want, but their view of the West is so tightly controlled and filtered that they always get it a bit wrong. And I think they visually can't process fonts the same way we do since their alphabet doesn't allow nearly as much freedom
>>107818621This is speculation, but perhaps if you were making most of the shit for the entire world for over a decade, you'll get good at making shit.
