IPS or OLED?
>>107821187Once you go OLED it's hard to go back. Avoid.
>>107821213>>107821187I don't want burn in
I love that the OLED image protection methods are all literally artificially dimming and fucking up the picture equally so you don't notice that zones that have already gone bad that much
>>107821187I can hardly tell a different in terms of how much I care.
>>107821225>>I have over 3000 hours on my C4 now and still no burn-in in tests.>you sweet summer child. still no burn in on pic related used exclusively as a computer monitorpic related
>>107821267Turn them off.
>>107821283>"Device Name"Text cutoff.Fucking disgusting.
>>107821293Most people don't though and then wonder why their display is fucked after a few months
E ink
>>107821283LED uses the same technology as CRT, retardwhich means: burn in
>>107821283>Same pic again>Doesn't disprove task at burn in>Doesn't disprove any burn in>Trust me broCome back with the solid color full panel test, LGook.
>>107821343It does not use the same technology, even if the results are similar.CRTs have a phosphor layer that can get literally burnt over time, causing image retention even when off.OLED image retention is caused by the organic compounds in each subpixel degrading over time to not be able to emit as much light. Which is why it's more visible when only certain colors are supposed to be emitted.
>>107821187My desktop monitor is IPS, my phone, laptop and TV are OLED.I've had the laptop for over 2 years now and I use it for work and after work so 8+ hours a day of mostly static content, so far there has been no burn in or degradation. No degradation on my phone or TV either, but those don't have as much screen on time. As far as I'm concerned OLED is already good enough for almost every use case.I'll switch my desktop monitor to OLED when DELL or another decent manufacturer releases an OLED monitor with an integrated Thunderbolt dock and KVM switch.The U2724DE I'm using is simply way too convenient and works perfectly for my use case.
>>107821373Burn-in and image retention aren't the same thing. Even LCDs can have image retention.
>>107821283>>107821391>As far as I'm concerned OLED is already good enough for almost every use case.Same.
>>107821187They are both absolutely cute kitties. I love them
>>107821526They'll poo on your corpse after having lived with you their whole life
>>107821187ips, office internetoled, moviescrt, games
>>107821187I got a ProArt IPS and a $700 OLED, I'd still say go for IPS if it's ProArt quality.Ghosting/artifacting on blacks is still a thing somehow, and if you get VRR you will see flicker so you gonna have to disable it.
>>107821539I'll make a pair of slippers out of them after having lived with them their whole lives. Your point?
>>107821640Dogs are better
>>107821688Depends on the breed, I suppose. The ones that look like curly rugs could probably be made into some decent slippers.
>>107821539>>107821688Both will eat you if you die and they get hungry.
Can anybody explain why OLED monitors have burnin issues yet I've never seen of my OLED phones, even very old ones, exhibit such behavior?
>>107822217Your phone screen is not on 8+ hours unless you're mentally insane, and you can probably see a bit of a burn in if your phone is older when you blast full brightness on.Also OLED monitors don't really have a burn in issue unless you leave your PC on for a week with taskbar shown on max brightness.
>>107822217>Can anybody explain why OLED monitors have burnin issuesThey don't anymoreit's just a meme repeated over and over again by mentally ill millennials and tech illiterate zoomersAll types of monitors, even IPS/LCD/LED are subject to burn in, if anything I've witnessed more of it on those kind of displays than modern & high end OLED on iPhones and SmartTVs
>>107821187Don't care to upgrade now but if my current setup dies I'll probably get on the oled bandwagon. I'm a bit concerned that streaming artifacts become more noticeable on oleds but we'll see I guess.
>>107821187OLED for phones and TVs, IPS for monitors.
IPS
>>107822276>They don't anymoreThis is a false statement, literally, they do, always will.They just don't burn in AS EASY anymore, but they still do, maybe you're the zoomer here, if you can't read facts go ask your little chat bot 6 7 no cap on g.
>>107821225>>107821187OLED has some issues, but like anon said, it's hard to go back. Every other panel looks like shit after trying OLED.
>>107822217My old SII got burn-in within weeks. Granted, that was in 2012.>>107822255My Xiaomi from 2022 has zero burn-in. Used it as my main phone for almost 4 years. OLED has come a long way. >>107822276They do but it's far better then it use to be. >>107822314This.
>>107821187IPS cat looks more cute tho.
>>107821623>I got a ProArt IPS and a $700 OLED, I'd still say go for IPS if it's ProArt quality.BruhI got a ProArt and it's a piece of shit, probably the worst backlight bleed I've ever seen, worse ghosting than some 60Hz screens I've had despite being 75Hz, plus it has these vertical lines whenever I use any kind of blue light filter. It's probably more to do with it being bottom of the barrel 1920x1200 panel, but just don't say shit like "ProArt quality" like it's a universal seal of quality, because it fucking ain't.
Would pet both.
>>107821187whichever is cheaper, because im running a bluelight filter literally 100% of the time i am using my computer and colors don't fucking matter
Would fuck both.
>>107821187I miss my iMac 27 5k monitor .. I am not a fucking monitor nerd so I have no fucking clue what technology it uses, but I am tired of shit monitors now that I'm on Linux.. what type of monitor will give me the resolution, brightness and overall perfection of an apple made monitor?
>>107822311>This is a false statement, literally, they do, always will.Yes physically it will and so will your oldtroon IPS/LED/LCD displays >They just don't burn in AS EASY anymoreYes because they are more efficient and have built in protections. an average non-oled is more likely to have burn in than the average oled.>maybe you're the zoomer hereAre you low IQ or just a poor mentally ill millennial?If you've experienced both technologies through the years in all sorts of devices you wouldn't disagree
>>107821244does it really last for 5 years? that's more than I thought it would
>>107821623>>107822353You need a really high-end IPS with A-TW polarizer and you'll still have some bleed. >>107821623>Ghosting/artifacting on blacks is still a thing somehowOLED doesn't have that. No idea what your issue is. >and if you get VRR you will see flicker so you gonna have to disable it.Depends on the monitor, not a OLED issue. There's IPS that have horrible VRR flicker and OLEDs that have basically none and in very specific scenarios.
>>107822399>Yes physically it will and so will your oldtroon IPS/LED/LCD displays>Yes because they are more efficient and have built in protections. an average non-oled is more likely to have burn in than the average oled.No idea if you're actually misinformed or just shitposting. OLED burn-in isn't as big of an issue as it used to be but it's much easier to burn-in an OLED than an IPS or VA.
IPS Black
>>107822255Looking back, I don't think it's the screen time but rather the fact that I used them phones with a very low brightness setting. Being an incel hermit I don't have much light coming in at all, and that makes anything look bright enough.
>>107821225Just get a miniled. It's almost as good as an oled, and no risk of burn in.
>>107822386why not use your apple monitor
>>107821623>>107822353ProArt isn't a indicator of quality. You can get cheap gaming monitor tier ProArts. If you want a good IPS get something like Eizo ColorEdge CG279X.
>>107822464its fine for tvs in the living roomwith how cheap oleds are for monitors its kinda pointless. you can just buy a new monitor after a few years oled pixel response times make for better gaming toomaybe if they really push for cheap rgb+ miniled monitors fast they might gain marketshare, if not its not a big deal
>>107822255>Also OLED monitors don't really have a burn in issue unless you leave your PC on for a week with taskbar shown on max brightness.You'd neve want to use an OLED with 100% emitter brightness anyways for desktop use.
>>107822475I don't think it makes sense to buy technology that has a high risk of shitting itself at any moment.
>>107822464Basically what >>107822475 said.MiniLED is only useful at bigger sizes. >>107822488Any tech can shit itself at any moment, OLEDs burn-in gradually though if you mean the burn-in part.
>>107822464MiniLED monitors are all fucking awful.>>107822488You're fucking retarded. OLED burn-in is an extremely gradual process. LED monitors (Mini or otherwise) are more likely to shit themself at any given moment, as Rtings' durability test has made clear.https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results
>>107822446>but it's much easier to burn-in an OLED than an IPS or VA.How? The ceiling of quality and price for OLED products is pretty high while IPS mostly relegated to budget and ewaste products that are meant to be replaced in less than half a decade
>>107822507We're talking about burn-in. Price, quality, the endurance of other parts of the hardware is irrelevant. >How?Just how OLEDs work, all LEDs loose brightness over time when in use.
>>107822469>Eizo ColorEdge CG279X.According to the specs it has a 1300:1 static contrast ratio and up to 350cd/m2 brightness i.e. someone played around with the exposure to make it look like it has good blacks.My IPS monitor is supposed to have a 2000:1 static contrast, but at the brightness I use it at I measured it at 1600:1, maybe it will reach 2000:1 at lower brightness but you can't make me use 120cd/m2, it's way too dim unless in a dark room.
>>107822535>We're talking about burn-in. Price, quality, the endurance of other parts of the hardware is irrelevant.In that case your average OLED is as likely to burn in as your best LCD/IPS
>>107822541>My IPS monitorModel?
Alright you nerds, so what are my options if I want:>zero flicker, even at low brightness>minimal ghosting, even at low brightness>no TN style colour shifting>no IPS style backlight bleedingI don't give a fuck about burn-in, mostly because I stick to low brightness, so I'm happy to pay that price provided I get the rest
>>107822386It's nothing special LG sold the same panel in their monitors, maybe the problem is MacOS handles font rendering differently and arguably better than Windows and Linux.
>>107822600Well OLED, but it does have slightly flicker at any brightness.This is thetically of course, you won't notice it. Otherwise to get no ghosting, bleed or color shift, OLED.
>>107822598DELL U2724DE they call the panel IPS Black in the marketing for it. When I got it there simply wasn't another display that did everything in one 120Hz, KVM+Thunderbolt dock, 2.5Gb NIC etc. even my TV is daisy chained from the monitor.
>>107822501You sound like a retard cultist. Enjoy your shit monitor that can destroy itself any second, moronic faggot. I'll enjoy my miniled that's no different from it for the next decade.
>>107822620On all OLED phone screens I've had so far, when I turned the brighness all the way down I had both flicker (which I seem to be autistically sensitive to) and ridiculous ghosting (colours adapting extra slowly when scrolling). You're telling me OLED PC monitors just don't have these issues at zero brightness?
Im just gonna get one of those G-Sync pulsar displays when the price of them goes down.
>>107822646Only shit OLED phones have those issues.
Sony Crystal LED mogs every other flatpanel tech, except it's probably too costly for the average neet.
>>107822541>>107822627No A-TW polarizer, that's probably where the difference comes in.
>>107822646Sounds like the phones weren't very good desu. But yes, OLEDs on phones are different as they have to address different requirements, they get way dimmer at low brightness and way brighter at peak brightness than an OLED monitor.
>>107822686The polarizer solves off-axis glow, it doesn't really fix the poor static contrast of IPS monitors.
>>107821302It's probably scrollable and he reached the bottom
>>107821187I like oled for tv, still use ips for monitor.
>>107821187oled nyan much cuter
I got an OLED laptop (ThinkPad X9 15) and the calibrated Samsung panel it came with is a piece of shit.Awful green tint, worse color accuracy than the AUO IPS panel (B140QAN03.H) in my other laptop. Mura effect makes everything grey/dark look grainy as fuck.Ghosting on black.VRR is a piece of shit.PWM is 1,200Hz so not bad but still slight eye strain.Also huge fucking battery drain.X9 15 would have been better with a high refresh IPS.
>>107821283Yes just buy the TV that screenshots everything and sends it to LG
>>107822370why though?
>>107822217You're either blind or you were in diapers in 2016The Galaxy S7 got burn in easy
>>107821213Agreed but I will say a monitor with ~100% sRGB and or BT.2020 like Thinkpad T24-40i is a big improvement over yesterday’s IPS monitors.
>>107821401Thank you for agreeing with me
Am I really gonna spend more than 1000 euros for an OLED monitor ffs
>>107821283>Less than 3 years of use.Lol
>>107821213it is actually quite easy after you get burn in on your first paneli went back to IPs. i dont have time to deal with RMAing luxury panels after only 8 months of use. its indian tech>>107821225indian LG shills are going to tell you its solved, it isntif you touch the brightness level it will burn in under a year easy. they come real dim by default. its such a stupid ass techthe daily oled threads on here and /g/ are 100% inorganic and half the posts are going to be by 1 guy
Just get a good VA monitor. I got a 2020 27" Odyssey G7 and it's been bretty gud. Way better contrast than my old IPS monitor and no visible smearing to speak of
>>107824708because blue light is uncomfortable when you stare at screens for 18+ hours a day
>>107824531all tvs do that. because i am not a braindead moron i never connected mine to a network. i use my ps5 for the "smart" tv apps.>>107821283me too anon. i have this same tv. i left it on gta vice city map for 2 days (still image) and constantly leave it on paused yt videos. 0 burn in
I use my computer 10+ hours every fucking day and there's a taskbar at the bottom almost all the time and no I'm not changing my habits. Is OLED viable or is my taskbar going to just burn in in like a year or two?
>>107826940There are videos out there of people burning in oleds 24/7 at full brightness and it takes like 6 months or something for some slight degradation to appear. If you use it normally alongside the oled care features then a brand new oled should last you 5 years easily.
OLED is consumer trash, it's the equivalent of bass-boosted speakers to impress normies with the contrast.Ask yourself: why doesn't EIZO that makes professional color-accurate displays make any OLED monitor?
OLED only
you guys seem to know a lot about monitors are there any 16:10 desktop displays worthwhile in 2026 or is that shit dead in the water
>>107821187Go by to plebbit. Plebtard
>>107821187OLED is like lifting the veil, turning content otherwise beyond a milky glazed window into content directly in front of youpeople talk of burn in; personally i haven't seen its impact in 6 years of TV / monitor or phone usagecould it be improved? of course! every year there's something that improves it. this year new OLED monitors are changing their RGB layouts to replicate traditional RGB patterns, suiting desktop environmentsthere's also tandem-OLED which is the future of the tech
>>107821539Doesn't matter if I'm dead, moron
>>107821283I want a future wasteland dweller to be able to use my pc, so I go with ips.
>>107822432Burn-in starts showing after like half a year of normal work. Screen is still usable at that point, but obviously no longer pristine.
>>107825877>LGShould have tried literally any other brand other than the brand known for skimping out on parts and selling literal garbage.
I still use tn, new IPS panels rape my eyes and brain with their trickery.
>>107828477everything i have read on TV buying lately says something like 'avoid LG like the plague because they suck ass' and that anon is out there unironically mad at OLED tech lol
>>107828477>>107828491lg is the company that shills here nonstopall oled sucks. my oled was a samsung panel that burnt indumbass browns
>>107828538failyou have to make all the white parts color match with the eye color, then you get VA's signature black smear
>>107824531How? I never connect mine to the network.
>>107821187I chose Oleg
>>107825460I sit at my PC for 8-12 hours a day and I can barely get 3500 hours a year... 15k would be over 4 years without burn-in.
>>107828434You mean CRT?
>>107828446>claim from a random retardvs>>107821283>claim from a random retard with at least a pictureHMM
>>107826940It will begin in like 6 months. More subtle at first and then gets worse, obviously. Using an OLED screen for 10h at a time is also bad because the stupid things need to run their compensation cycles more frequently than that for "optimal" longevity.>>107827454It's mostly dead. You can still buy various cheap-ish 16:10 monitors, especially at 1920x1200, but in terms of tech / image quality they seem to be very outdated. No high refresh rate, HDR, improved contrast, brightness and so on. The aspect ratio doesn't seem to have made the jump into the "4k" space either, like you cannot find 3840x2400 screens or something, at least not consumer screens with any sort of practical availability.It's basically something of the past, whatever 16:10 PC monitors you can still find have basically stagnated to what they were when this AR was popular. I think you might also find some more 16:10 stuff in the portable monitor category, mostly because these screens tend to be smaller and 16:9 is quite sucky on small screens (not so bad on big displays where you have a lot of vertical space anyway).
>>107822432Burn-In only happens if you are careless. Too many youngster /g/tards never use and even hear of screen savers.
>>107828803The half a year claim is from a documented video where a guy uses an OLED screen for his daily work (mostly document editing / writing IIRC) and periodically records & reports changes as the screen degrades. There is plenty of video evidence of burn-in. Plenty of random anecdotes from people posting pictures of their wrecked screens too, even ITT.>>107828826No it happens no matter what you do, as long as the screen is used, it is degrading. Screensaver is completely useless unless you intend to leave the display on and unused for extremely long periods of time. Even then having a screensaver is still harmful compared to just turning the screen off so it can run its compensation cycle.
>>107828846>There is plenty of video evidence of burn-inSo you're just poor and never had an OLED. Noted.
>>107828870Stop projecting lmao
>>107828846>No it happens no matter what you do, as long as the screen is used, it is degrading.Everything degrades you brainlet. Burn-in is a non-issue if you are not an careless idiot.
>>107828446>>107828805>>107828846>6 months>half a yearLol I love this. I'm the tard with the 3000+ hours and I disabled ALL anti burn-in features plus use it for desktop use 90% of the time, taskbar, window borders, bright wallpaper, etc. Zero burn-in in actual burn-in tests.
>>107828901No way you don't have burn-in. See >>107828846
>>107828920So I have a magical OLED that won't burn-in. Good to know. Thanks.
>>107821187For everyone saying they'd take LCD over OLED, the irony is the LCD backlight will probably from uneven dimming or even burn-out long before the OLED shows burn-in. The reality is modern displays are fundamentally consumer products with finite lifespans.
>>107828920Yes, it is totally fessible. Burn-In is an issue if you are completely careless. OLEDs are much better. They are just a little more fragile then CRTs of old with burn-in. Just use a screen saver and powering off monitor for long idle periods. You are gold.
>>107829018>disable all burn in features>not being careless
>>107829014LOL
>>107829014Entropy eventually wins. Nothing lasts forever.
>>107828901>>107828920>>107828924I don’t get why people keep lying about stuff they’ve never even seen in their lives.“I read about it, I watched a youube video, it’s proven” Sure it is.
>>107829027Yeah. It's an extreme test though, and several of the LCDs look as bad or worse, just in different ways. Pick your poison.
>>107829043>>107828901>I'm the tard with the 3000+ hoursAnd it's not even big milage. I use a TV for almost 9k hours. No sign of burn in. Maybe the brightness loss from some woodoo maintenance, but how would I know?
>>107829027Funniest thing is how some panels look terrible out of the box
>>107829059>And it's not even big milage.I know, but still covers his "half year / 6 months" bullshit.
>>107829075Very true. Would you rather an OLED with a clean uniform panel that might eventually show a bit of burn in after a few years, or an LCD with garbage uniformity from day one?
>>107829147I'm a coping poorfag so I pick LCD and go shit on OLEDs on /g/ instead.
>>107829147I think both heavily burned-in OLED and ununifor LCD panels will look fine with regular content. Hell, my laptop always have some fingerprints and I mostly don't care. But why settle for less? Especially for a thing you use more than 4 hours a day.
>>107821244>>107822432>>107828446my oled is going on 3 years old. 90% productivity. no sign of burn in at all. even if it starts burning in now I'll just buy another I can never go back to non oled.
>>107828924>So I have a magical OLED that won't burn-inMaybe, maybe. More likely though is that you're just a basic bitch who can't tell until it gets so bad it becomes fully obvious. We've had plenty of your kind around every step of the way. Back when the switch to HD and FHD was being made there were plenty of basic bitches around who claimed there was no difference (there is), plenty who claimed there was no difference between 30FPS and 60FPS, or 60FPS and 120FPS, plenty who still to this day claim they cannot tell the difference 4k makes and so on. We've got plenty of them right here on /g/ as well, you're most likely one of them too.
>>107829527If you can't tell if there's burn in, does it matter?
>>107829550Just because YOU can't tell, doesn't mean others can't.
>>107821187Why the fuck can't I get a 4K 32" IPS monitor? Dell has one and it's $1,000 despite being having massive ghosting issues
>>107829527See >>107828901>in actual burn-in tests.
>>107822432on my Galaxy S8 I noticed it after about 5 years and it became exponentially more pronounced over the next 2.
>nooooooo my oled that i will keep for 3 years before upgrading would burn in if i kept it running nonstop for 4 years>im going back to my CRT (that is already burnt in, and has given me eye cancer)>oled is finishedwhy are luddites like this?
>>107829676Did better than my SII. >>107822327
>>107829684Not luddites, poorfags. The argument boils down to cost. It's always "lol dumb consumer oledfag" but in this case consumer = someone who can afford something I can't.
>>107829713Kek, this.
>>107829684>>107829713I mean yeah I'm poor. My current monitor is a decade old. If I buy another one, I want it to last about that long too.
>>107829561I don't know, why can't you?
I got a headache when my dad lended me his Galaxy S5 a decade ago. Are OLEDs still like that?
>>107829555But if it's my monitor, that I use, why should I care if other people can tell if there's burn in if I can't?
>>107830102You don't need to care. The people who think 720p 30FPS is just as good as 2160p 120FPS don't need to care either. You do you. On the other hand however, what you should also do is stop screeching on the internet about how all the many sources of information and the many people who say that OLEDs do in fact burn in are ackshually false and OLED totally doesn't burn in ever for realsies even after 981723 years of static content.
>>107830098Read the thread before posting? >>107822646>>107822673>>107822692
>>107830134Different anon.
>>107830134why did you ignore >>107829607
>>107830134Yeah, you've got the wrong anon. I have an OLED monitor (42" LG C2) with 18k hours on it and all the burn-in preventions disabled (though I use it as a secondary monitor and have my own homebrewed window auto-dimming scripts to use with it) and don't have any noticeable burn in looking at single-color test screens, but I'm not someone who thinks it won't happen eventually. OLED has pros and cons like any technology, and until something else comes along that's able to reproduce high contrast scenes with perfect blacks and no blooming with good viewing angles, there's simply nothing better for viewing content.
>>107821187>Adjusts contrast and saturation
>>107830098works on iPhones, can't speak for andjeet trash
>>107822646all oled phone screens have atrocious pwm dimming at all brightness levels. truly the worst. the OLED TV's and monitors almost all are pwm free.
>>107831034>>107831011
>>107831037what works on iphones? all iphones besides the old se series which use ips have horrific pwm dimming. if you search their support forums you'll find tens of thousands of complaints about it. iphone is the most horrendous garbage of all time
>>107831044lol poor
>>107821187PG32UCDM here0 burn in after 2 and a half years
>>107831052yeah there's been endless tests on that it doesn't work whatsoever. it's almost comical that apple is that stupid. the highest paid engineers in the world are clueless nincompoops
>>107822386you probably miss the 200+ PPI (text quality), its hard to find. I bet you dont miss the 60hz though.Supposedly Apple is upgrading the Studio Display to support 120hz this year, maybe look into that but have fun spending 2k+ on it
>>107831054Usage? You should see the first signs in half a year when your warranty expires
I love how this anon (or maybe a different anon) points to some random dude’s YouTube video or forum posts and just ignores the actual experiences people are sharing in this thread.>>107829527>More likely though is that you're just a basic bitch who can't tell until it gets so bad it becomes fully obvious.So he's a basic bitch because he uses the best display technology there is? Huh.>>107830048>My current monitor is a decade old. If I buy another one, I want it to last about that long too.Why? Cheap monitors are now start from $70.>>107830098I had a headache with Note 3. Don't have any complains with current phones and TVs. >>107831072>>107822386Look into Chinese 5K glossy monitors.
>>107831066works on my machine
>>107831106no, no it doesn't and that's a fact
>>107831086>You should see the first signs in half a year when your warranty expiresThat literally is 2 and a half years.
>>107831127and 0 burn in
>>10783111599.99% of the population can use a 17 pro with no negative side effectsthe majority of the remaining people who complain about pwm dimming are schizos that think the government is remotely beaming painful radio waves into their head
>>107831129actually you're wrong at a bare minimum 20% of the population suffers from pwm and it's likely much higher than that but the avg person sadly doesn't realize their iDogshit is giving the migraines and mental disorders case in point you an absurd nutcase defending the worst garbage ever made like a Stockholm syndrome victim I'd feel sorry for you but you're a lying shithead so I'd probably murder you irl instead and enjoy ever second of it
will microleds solve the burn in problem?
>>107831149>actually you're wrong>has a complete schizo melty
>>107831187oh wait let me guess your post was fun the one where you're lying and gaslighting simultaneously about a well known problem. virtually no desktop monitors are sold with pwm because it's such a vast and we'll known complaint. nearly every single person who had spent time in front of a pwn display complained about. you acting like there's no problem is the problem.
>>107831178No. They burn in too but just slower.
>>107831178Yes, your life will be burned away before those leds do.
I hate pwm
>>107821187Given that there are no longer any actually good IPS monitors, it seems like the shift to OLED is inevitable at this point.
>>107821187VA, a 5000:1 contrast is good enough for me.>inb4 ghostingDon't notice any on my panel.
I have an OLED monitor, had it for about a year and a half nowMy biggest issues are ABL and brightness flickeringEverything else is amazing about it
>>107828805The best you can do these days is that 4k IPS 2:3 panel by BenQ (and Huawei, but get the BenQ)
>>107821187>OLEDburn in>IPSglow/trash blacks>VAghostingpick your fucking poison
>>107832040New OLEDs will easily go 5 years minimum. Stop being a poorsissie
>>107832055weird because any model that is at least 1 year old will have pics of burn in posted somewherebut thats because theyre careless. they should have known better when buying a "luxury" that the luxury you get is a mildly improved image which you get to baby and worry about.lmao he spent 1k on oled and touched the brightness setting? he let sunlight get on it? haha noob. should have left oled to us brahmin kings
>>107832470>[Schizophrenic brown babble]
>>107831097There's no point in buying a new cheap monitor. It should be better than what I currently have.
>>107821187IPS if you are poor.High-end IPS if you have money but is too lazy or too retarded to use burn-in protection features, and wants to keep your garbage static tranime avatar on screen 24/7. If you look at the picture posted by the schizo ITT, you will realize it all comes from either unrealistic stress testing or retards like I already described. He never owned OLED btw.High-end OLED if you have money over 100 IQ as a bare minimum. The anti-OLED poojets ITT doesn't have either.
>>107833953*money and over 100 IQ
>>107831097Thanks for the tip I will check some chink monitor in the hopes I can enjoy using my fucking machine again...
>>107822465I sold it because the iMac was sluggish... And I also because I must consoom
>>107821187IPS: Reliable, consistent brightness, no burn-in risk, better for productivity, generally more affordable. OLED: Perfect blacks, superior contrast, vibrant colors, faster response, but risk of burn-in and often more expensive.
>>107834188Sorry that I didn't mentioned a name. They can be placed under different brands. I remember one of them being KTC. Look like Apple Pro Display rip off. Monitors are good though. It's the same panel as in 5k imacs and it's less than $1000
I've recently bought an IPS 4k 180Hz display, instead of an OLED, mainly because I also use the monitor for work (which includes hours of reading and writing documents), and thus I was afraid of prematurely ruining the screen with burn in.
I am about to buy an Open Box PG27UCDM from Best Buy... What the fuck am I in for ?
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thinking about picking up a 55" sony bravia 8 to replace my ~10 year old 4k 48" vizio. should i?
>>107821187OLED would be great without the O
>>107834713probably dead pixels, if someone returned a monitor there's usually something wrong with it.
>>107821187fixed
>>107822673>>107822692>>107831052>all the OLED phones you had must have had bad screens because they weren't the latest iPhoneOr, how about we just accept that I have screen flicker autism and can notice this shit when most people cannot?>>107831034I mean, that's reassuring. I might upgrade in a decade or so.
>>107833953The newest expensive IPS panels look pretty damn good with a dimly lit room. Yeah, the blacks aren't perfect, but they're quite a bit better than they were 5 years ago. For me, OLED strains my eyes way more than IPS, and I am mainly doing productivity tasks. You couldn't give me a high end OLED if it meant I had to use it instead of my IPS panels.
>>107821187It is nonsensical to have to baby a display by using half a dozen "safety" features. I like CRTs and their motion clarity, but even I can admit that I'm glad we no longer worry about static elements on screen, or needing to use screensavers. OLED is just a disposable meme technology. Use high end IPS displays while we wait for Micro LED to get cheaper and smaller.
>>107835397>Use high end IPS displays while we wait for Micro LED to get cheaper and smaller.Or you could enjoy an OLED while waiting for that and not have to suffer with the numerous drawbacks of IPS.
>>107832040if you don't use your monitor like you would a flashlight then burn is an extremely minor issue. you're a complete retard if you keep your monitor at a bright level. get proper lighting in your space. brightness should never exceed 50%. also HDR is pure cancer
>>107836076It boggles the mind that most monitors still don't have an ambient light sensor to adjust brightness and temperature, and that Windows has no native way to control monitor brightness unless you're on a laptop (KDE does this just fine).
>>107828477My LG A/C is still going strong after 10 years.The only maintenance I do is clean filters in every 2-3 months.
>OLED doesnt flickerYes thats true, if your raise the black floor to 61 RGB. Also enjoy your film grain and your per pixel uniformity issues destroying fine details. Its a shame boi
>>107829240next, take a photo with it displaying this
>>107836833Not him but here's my laptop after 2+ years of 8+ hours of daily use mostly with static content.I don't see any burn in, not even the taskbar.
>>107828538
>>107836833Not OP. In my 4 year old with 9K hours I think I can see some 'line' where should be taskbar. It's pretty faint and doesn't show on photo.
>>107836833No burn in after 5700 hours.
>>107821187>muh contrastOLED has too many issues that retards avoid to talk about>black crush>vrr flicker with blacks>black smearing on low brightness>color hue shift when viewed off angles at a close distance>shittier whites and overall brightnessi came from good ips panels and have never felt an ave feeling that people hype about oled. and i compared it side by side on a daily basis. the blacks felt like a gimmick, given all the downsides. and i didn't even mention the burn-in issue (simply because i haven't experienced it yet and led wears out with time too, just not as notably)
there's also font fringing issues, but I will blame software for this for not keeping up with the hardware development and different pixel arrangements.
>>107821225OLED burn-in after 20k hours is less severe than IPS bleed-in at t=0
>>107821187Just Wait™ technologyI'm waiting for QDEL (also called NanoLED)
>>107838493I'm waiting for solid state short throw cathode ray tubes
>>107835207>>107836365pic in >>107822620 is an oled
>>107836833Gray banding is a meme too.https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107284014/#q107287169https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107284014/#q107287225https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107284014/#q107287235
>>107838738SED has the same issues as plasma.
>>107839187That's fine, I liked plasma
>>107839192Then just get a plasma. Basically SED.
>>107821187Whatever that is cheaper as long as it's not a fucking VA panel.
>>107839200In terms of visual performance and quality to price, OLED.
>>107836107Nvidia's "G-Sync Pulsar" monitor at CES was showing off adaptive brightness & color as if it was a high end feature. So maybe it'll become more mainstream? I agree that's bizarre that it's a standard feature on phones, seen on some laptops & yet absent on desktop monitors.And while I'm complaining about the lack of feature parity. How is it my laptop can turn on it's display in half a second & yet my desktop monitor takes multiple seconds with a stupid brand splash screen before it'll display anything at power on. I know it's a small thing but the amount of times I've missed a startup message during this time window is galling.
>>107839489My OLED pops up in under a second. I can disable the LG logo too.
>>107839172Yeah, its an OLED displaying 255 RGB white with maybe the brightness set to 0 in the display menu. It doesnt trigger the flickering like 31 RGB does.
>>107839830>with maybe the brightness set to 0It literally shows the flicker at different brightness levels...
>>107821283who the fuck are you quoting
>>107821187I like OLED on my phone, the screen is usually just starting to get some burn in by the time the rest of the phone is hopelessly outdated. But I run monitors brighter and expect them to last longer. Even when I upgrade my monitor, I expect the old one to last another upgrade cycle or two as a side monitor. And then there's the occasional idiotic intrusive "pixel refresh" nonsense that OLED monitors and TVs force you do to. Meanwhile LCD just keeps going for ages without anything of the sort.
>>107839937>>And then there's the occasional idiotic intrusive "pixel refresh" nonsense that OLED monitors and TVs force you do to.>a couple OLED monitors and TVs had that out of a hundred >hurr it's universal
>>107839937>>107839975Agreed. You don't even notice the pixel refresh, it's automatic. Mine does it when the screen is off by itself. Not intrusive at all.
>>107839918Yeah dude, but what I mean to say that it is even worse then in the graph if you display 31rgb. OLED has no screen wide brightness level like LCD it is much better to think of individual pixels brightness level because they are self emissive.
>>107821187Neither.
>>107840079You can still set overall emitter brightness.
>>107840101Thats not even what Im arguing against bro. Just buy a Benq, a Phillips or an Eizo.
>>107836365>Yes thats true, if your raise the black floor to 61 RGB. Also enjoy your film grain and your per pixel uniformity issues destroying fine details.>>107839830>Yeah, its an OLED displaying 255 RGB white with maybe the brightness set to 0 in the display menu. It doesnt trigger the flickering like 31 RGB does.>>107840079>but what I mean to say that it is even worse then in the graph if you display 31rgbDo you think it uses PWM to dim the pixels LOL?
>>107821187OLED, but IPS if you're poor.
>>107840160Go to rtings, choose any OLED review, scroll down to OD transition 0 to 31, observe the flickering. Yes, OLED has this problem on displaying low brightness values lile 31rgb on a per pixel basis. So some pixels might go 255rgb full brightness white while simultaneously the darker parts of the screen flicker in the refresh rate interval. And since the refreshrate is not above 3000Hz this flickering is making your eye muscles spasm like a virgin in an orgy
>>107840196Wow, it's nothing.Both images are from rtings.
>>107840248Yeah and Im a virgin btw so I know
>>107840258Not for long. I'm coming for you
>>107834713The PG27UCM is coming in some weeks, why would you buy an older gen retard. That monitor is gonna be endgame btw
>>107840756>4k 240Hz>QD-OLED not new RGB>endgame
corpos still hard coping with IPShit and OLEL while hard avoiding microled WHY??????
>>107840774It's the new RGB you donkey
>>107840971Fix blooming for local dimming or minipenis is gonna stay irrelevant
>>107840971>>107841208MicroLED and MiniLED aren't the same thing.MiniLED blooms. MicroLED is years away and also suffers burn-in, just to a lesser extent, basically just a slight upgrade to OLED.
>>107840971still can't be made cheap enough for normal consoomers
>>107841214It has been more than a decade what the fuck are they doing
>>107841213>and also suffers burn-in, just to a lesser extent, basically just a slight upgrade to OLED.proof?
>>107841247It's still LED.
>>107841263not the same type of LED as in OLEL
>>107825877>oled threads on here and /g/ are 100% inorganicheh
>>107841273LED backlights degrade, even MiniLED display LEDs degrade.
Why are you guys always seething on oled? It's the best viewing tech rn. Or are you guys poor lol? For me getting one only costs 15 days of work. That's nothing lmfao
>>107841344I don't even have to work... I could afford a new C5 every month for just NEETbux.
>>107841290Everything degrades you dunce. You can't escape from entropy. The silly pieces of silicon that drives your system have a finite shelf-life.
>>107836107No, it doesn't. The simple truth is that outside of a vocal, but tiny minority of videophiles and image/video editing professionals. Nobody gives a genuine crap about brightness, gamma correction or color temperatures.
>>107836107>It boggles the mind that most monitors still don't have an ambient light sensor to adjust brightness and temperaturePlenty have though. Both of my TVs do, one I use as a monitor. >and that Windows has no native way to control monitor brightness unless you're on a laptop (KDE does this just fine).Yeah, I wouldn't say laptop is native either. Anyways with 3rd party tools, most desktop monitors that support it can be controlled that way.
>>107821688Dog-lovers base their whole case on these commonplace, servile, and plebeian qualities, and amusingly judge the intelligence of a pet by its degree of conformity to their own wishes.Catlovers escape this delusion, repudiate the idea that cringing subservience and sidling companionship to man are supreme merits, and stand free to worship aristocratic independence, self-respect, and individual personality joined to extreme grace and beauty as typified by the cool, lithe, cynical, and unconquered lord of the housetops.The dog barks and begs and tumbles to amuse you when you crack the whip. That pleases a meekness-loving peasant who relishes a stimulus to his sense of importance.And just as inferior people prefer the inferior animal which scampers excitedly because somebody else wants something,so do superior people respect the superior animal which lives its own life and knows that the puerile stick-throwings of alien bipeds are none of its business and beneath its notice.
>>107841502Cat-lovers base their whole case on these commonplace, aloof, and affectatiously “aristocratic” qualities, and amusingly judge the worth of a pet by its degree of indifference to human feeling.Dog-lovers escape this delusion, repudiate the idea that chilly self-absorption and ornamental detachment are supreme virtues, and stand free to admire loyal intelligence, emotional depth, and purposeful companionship joined to strength, beauty, and courage as typified by the alert, eager, steadfast guardian of hearth and road.The cat slinks and sneers and withholds affection to inflate its own trivial sense of dignity. That pleases an ego-worshiping aesthete who mistakes emotional vacancy for superiority.And just as shallow people prefer the shallow animal which affects boredom because it owes nothing to anyone else,so do sound people respect the sound animal which shares life, work, and joy with man, understands cooperation rather than contempt, and knows that living well is better than merely standing apart and preening on a rooftop.
>>107841502>>107842153Chicken still tastes better.
>>107842165Based Zhang.
I don't even notice the difference in a lit room and i don't use my computer in darkness. for TV and handheld devices OLED is fine i guess because it's mainly varied content and fewer hours.
>>107842268HDR and OLEDs response time are nice for gayming
>>107841282i was browsing /v/ and /g/ at same time and forgot i opened this through /g/. theyve been going super hard on the oled shilling on /v/
>>107839489I mean mine has it but it's not commonplace.>>107841460It's been a feature on TVs and phones for a long time, it's only desktop monitors that are lagging behind. And it is strange because even normies these days know about "low eye strain" monitors. >>107841488Yes even my old TV from 2012 had an ambient light sensor, it's just desktop monitors that don't have one for the most part.
Anti OLED jeets are insane>in every thread with the same pictures>accusing others of being paid shills>seething about burn in>seething about nits>seething about flicker>I had an OLED and it burned in (never posts pics of it)Imagine having such a sad life
>>107843477Oh yeah, didn't even notice that 'typo'. I was just smiling at the irony of a thread about organic LEDs being called inorganic.
I would usually say OLED all the way, but now that G-Sync Pulsar is a thing, I'm not so sure anymore OLED bros...
>Have OLED>Use it for work>Probably 1k hours or something idk. >Very noticeable browser burn in from browserIt's not unexpected, but don't let the retard, coping anons here tell you that OLED monitors don't get burned in at all. They do, and they will. I only bought mine because I can easily replace the screen at no charge.
>>107844753>Yes even my old TV from 2012 had an ambient light sensorI literally have a B&O CRT TV that does so. (Top right on pic)
>>107847248We're getting faster and faster OLEDs though, CRT simulation seems better and better and with a little tweaking can be made to work properly with VRR. I expect it to only become easier and more convenient.
>>107847289HEY! That's not fair! :(I have almost 3x as much as you and 99% of the time I have a browser open but still no burn-in.
>>107847289>at no charge.You think I pay for mine?
>>107847948It does most certainly need to work properly with VRR but beyond that this sort of tech also needs to be implemented into the monitor itself and should be something that happens on the hardware level no matter where the input signal is coming from.Needing to run extra shit on top of your applications or games is pretty much guaranteed to be a compatibility nightmare, there will always be things that don't work properly for whatever reason. This has to be implemented in hardware so the screen just does what it needs to do by itself and it just gives you a good image.
>>107836107>Windows has no native way to control monitor brightnessI guess it depends on what you call "native" here. You can control brightness via standard DDC/CI commands just fine, I have literally never had a modern monitor which didn't support brightness control. So your problem is what, that Windows doesn't come bundled with a control program for DDC/CI and you have to download one separately?
>>107847948G-Sync Pulsar is coming to OLEDs too anyways though.
>>107847993I haven't had any issues playing around with it. It's just a shader and you're not dropping frames.
>>107838186>black smearing on low brightnessThis one in particular is constantly noticeable to me on my OLED phone when I scroll in some app that uses a black background and has dark grey text. Very, very easy to spot and I'm shocked how nobody talks about this shit.>the blacks felt like a gimmick, given all the downsidesThe lack of IPS glow is very nice though. IPS glow sucks ass.
>>107848024Because it's just a problem on shitty phones.
>>107848031Was a problem on my OLED VR headset too, to the point where they just raised black levels on the thing so people wouldn't get motion sick from the blur.
>>107848275VR headset you say? Like a device that uses a small panel? Like... phones!?
>>107821283>Monitor randomly turns off for 30 minutes every day to do "OLED care".
>>107848612Uhm... >>107839980
>>107848612You can literally see it's an LG. LGs don't do that.
>>107821187now tint the OLED cat green a little bit
>>107848765why?
>>107848778because it turns me on
>>107848778OLED skews green. IPS displays tend to be brighter, more power efficient and more color accurate with the exception of contrast, and even then, IPS has pretty great contrast nowadays. a lot of OLED have this weird ugly green tint I hate.
>>107848885I like the green tint. It's like watching The Matrix all the time.
>>107848885That was only a thing of older OLEDs or some weird viewing angels.
>>107848885You can't be brighter AND more power efficient while being a polarizer based screen technology compared to OLED.What the fuck am I reading.
>>107848885Depends what OLED tech you compare it against. WOLED isn't the most accurate, sure.
>>107848993oled needs a heatsink and active cooling to even do 600 nits with any sustained time or large windowingwhat are you writing?
>>107849000>oled needs a heatsink and active cooling to even do 600 nits with any sustained time or large windowingNo.
>>107849000Lol not for 600 nitsAlso so does IPS for higher and sustained
>>107848991newer iPhones are pretty green in comparison to the older pre-OLED SE models. if you look at the SE displays showing solid white, it looks milky white, maybe leaning a tiny bit pink. the notch / Dynamic Island iPhones visibly lean quite teal. maybe that's just iPhones being shitty. maybe Samsung panels are better. then again, Samsung makes iPhone panels so idk
>>107849000MiniLED monitors literally have heatsinks on the backs Majority of the power used goes to heat be it LED backlight or OLED
>destroys your brand new monitor since 1990
>>107849046>implying people who care about picture quality would not have dedicated CRT for /vr/
>>107849000my freaking OLED phone can do 600 nits easily without active cooling
They need to make a 100% flicker free OLED for me to consider buykng an OLED. The automatic brightness dimming also sucks for preserving creators intent. I want stable and predictable brightness even if using HDR.
>>107848010Are you being obtuse on purpose? Windows doesn't show you the brightness slider unless you're on a laptop, despite the monitor being perfectly capable of being controlled over DDC/CI, it's a design decision not to expose that control.KDE doesn't have that problem.
>>107849046Huh what does F-Zero do to monitors?
>>107849205>never actually tried OLED
>oled crushes blacksuhhh, based?
>>107822314for me it's the other way around, it's like the screen on the 'eck has a small amount of natural grain
Should I get a 4k 160hz (Gigabyte M27UP) or 1440p 320hz (KOORUI G2721E)? Both are IPS.I have a 5070Ti+9800x3d.I use my computer to read forums, watch YouTube, play competitive games (Overwatch & League of Legends), as well as RPGs.Honestly leaning towards the 4k, is 160hz vs 320hz going to be that big of a competitive advantage? My current monitor is 1440p 144hz and 6 years old. The 4k monitor also has a 1080p 320hz mode but I doubt I'll use that lol.
>>107850026Don't think Deck OLED uses a high quality OLED panel to begin with.
>>107850140OLED 4K 240Hz
>>107850156They start at 3x the price mate ($300 vs $900), and I use my monitor for a lot of non-gaming/media watching. I hear OLED is bad for reading stuff.
>>107850190>I hear OLED is bad for reading stuff.Retarded meme parroted by idiots. It's the fault of ClearType.
>>107850190>buying a 300 dollar IPS
>>107850201What's wrong with a $300 4k 160hz IPS? I've had a 1440p 140hz for 6 years now and it's till working great with 0 dead pixels.Took me to Masters in league of legends too.
Shill me a mid budget 1440 oledRtings says 27acdng but it's pretty old, is there anything newer released or potentially coming that's better?
>>107821343LED is a Light Emitting Diode CRT is a Cathode Ray Tube and uses an electron gun in a vacuum tube to illuminate each pixel on a phosphorous display. It's not even close to the same thing.
>>107850923>mid budgetYou can get a pretty high end one for like 800 bucks already
>>107828446That is a total fucking lie for even older OLED monitors let alone the newer ones, burn in is real but the exaggeration cope from some faggots is insane
I'll probably get an OLED when 32" + true RGB comes out in I suppose late 2026/early 2027, and then possibly return it to wait some more>>107850201every time I see a pig, it feels like I'm looking at a person
>>107821187Reddit!
>>107851694>every time I see a pig, it feels like I'm looking at a personPigs are really smart and compassionate / social. Sucks we treat them literally as just meat.
