WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? THE YEAR JUST STARTED, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED? HELLO? WE THE CONSUMERS NEED RAM TOO YOU GREEDY MOTHERFUCKERS
i'll just stick with older software and games, i dont need new RAMhog slop.
>>107870626what do (You) """need""" RAM for? which needs do you have that can't be satisfied by any good laptop or PC sold in the last 5 years?hard mode: no gayming or ai gooning.
>>107870626china will fill the demand for the consumer market. just wait a bit.
All this to generate pictures of people with seven fingers and tell ill people to eat soap to cure their cold. Saddening.
>>107870637>i'll just stick with older software and games, i dont need new RAMhog slop.BASED!BSD sisters rise up!Memory dedupliction!Memory compression!Better SWAP support (maybe Linus can stop being a faggot on this one)Nice small programsBloatware gets the rope
>>107870641WHERE ARE THEY? THIS SHIT HAS BEEN GOING ON SO LONG? WHERE IS THIS MUCH FABLED CHEAP CHINESE DDR5? EVEN ON ALIEXPRESS A SINGLE 8 GIG DDR4 STICK IS 19 USD
>>1078706403D rendering. Physics simulations (fluids, particles, etc.) in software like Houdini can take up quite a bit of RAM and 64GB is often recommended.
>>107870677Get your workplace to rent you a cloud unit, NEXT cope?
>>107870640Why do you need a PC? Just use a smartphone and a smart TV.
>>107870648>BSDdoes BSD have zram actually?
>>107870637>>107870640>>107870648why are there so many poorfags on this website? you'd think people interested in tech would have decent hardware, like im not talking that you need to own a 5090 and 128gb of ram or whatever but there are unironic poorfags on this website who think the'yre epic because they have an laptop from 15 years ago
>>107870626the AI bubble won't last that longit will burst and the market will be flooded with cheap ram
One way or another you WILL have nothing and be HAPPY by 2030.I was confident I wouldn't have issues waiting for an upgrade until 2028, but I'm concerned about this new estimate. Ever since one of my sticks died in the past I always feel like these damn things can bite the dust at any time.
>>107870713>an laptop>dead vtumorthanks for the insight sir!
>>107870713Half of the population on this god awful website is brown skinned third worlders or poor sea bugs. A single rtx 5060 costs like 2-3 months of salary (on average in sea it is like 90-100 usd per month, maybe if they have a good job)
>>107870731isnt it true tho? like these morons have 20 year old computers that are beyond shite...and then they have to cope by running troonix or some other free garbage
>>107870724YOU CAN'T USE HBM MEMORY ON YOUR ATX DESKTOP MOBO, CAN YOU MR RETARD? PLUS THEY WOULD LANDFILL IT RATHER THAN SELL IT FOR CHEAP (AS EVERY SINGLE COMPANY IN THE WEST DOES WHEN THEY CHANGE LAPTOPS OR HARDWARE)
You know, it's really tiresome that we haven't had any positive news in anything for at least a decade. The 2020s have been nothing but demoralization central, and 2030 feels like the year everything I like will actually end.I hope I don't make it to 1/1/30.
>>107870713I wouldn't be surprised if people had 5090's and 128GB of RAM here if /g/ is your homeboard. I'm a NEET and my build is 5000€, because I spend 90% of my waking time behind it, worth it.
>>107870713Maybe 15 years agoNow it's >>107870742
>>107870713I have 128 and going to upgrade to 512 this year. Yes, ECC DDR5.
>>107870677Just buy Mac Studio for this they are like $10k and you. get 512gb of ram.If you actually have job in 3D that's pocket change, unless you need CUDA, but I think Houdini can work without it.
>>107870703my IDE doesn't run on a smartphone or tv>>107870713why are you tagging me, retard? i'm not the one bitching about RAM prices like a poorfag.if you actually needed the hardware you'd have it already.
>>107870771ECC RAM is great. But it's slow.
>>107870760>>decade>Zen / Ryzen>RTX + DLSS>cheap OLEDs>USB4>Transformer AI>ARM outside phonesAll since 2016.
At this point I am just thanking god I got my 32GB DDR5 RAM when it was "cheap", yeah had I known, hindsight 20/20, I'd have gone for 64, just glad to have 32 now.
>>107870807Yea I'm sure you're getting really excited about transformation you fucking queer. Anime posting faggot tranny
>>107870626Indie games and the ol' backlog for the next several years then.
>>107870713owning high end hardware only makes you a brainlet consumer and a bad programmer. I'm guessing you are just a gamer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrTmgmEtM8
>>107870640I need 128gb ddr5 6000mhz for my i3 14100f and my rtx 4060 so I can play runescape.
someone willing to set up a memory chip industry? i need someone to make the logo, i'll think of the rest
>>107870832>Yea I'm sure you're getting really excited about transformation you fucking queer.lol
>>107870626I'm either buying ram or pitchforks.. and I'm planning on using them
>>107870847You don't have to own the latest nvidia card or whatever....but you're unironically a poorfag and having a laptop from like 2010 is not epic...its poorfag cope.....you know im right
>>107870760Not to mention you can't even kick back and relax on your favorite board anymore because bots and mentally ill people keep posting retarded bait.
>>107870847So I should use a 1050ti as a budding game developer?
>>107870641>Complete with integrated spying technology and building hardware backdoors!I can't wait to get mine!Or>Guaranteed to break in 6 months of installation
>>107870713half the world are poorfags with 1060's who start riots when their toaster from a decade ago cant run games
>WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?The American people voted for king Clanker.
>>107870657be patient, it hasn't been that long.>>107870895As if western hardware didn't have spyware. enjoy being cucked by intel, nvidia and israel.
>>107870847>>107870875>>107870880Reminder what "consumer" as an insult means on /g/.
>>107870910Half the world doesn't browse /g/.
Post-cucksumerism
>>107870713Always amaze me how americans have no empathy to the others.If you can buy software or games but 99% of the population can't, why should I even do it? If there's no people to buy what I code I would be much more happy, even tho poorer, working on a farm.Funny enough, what will actually happen: americans to be locked out of hardware in the near future while trump blocking the only country that still sell consumer hardware from selling on the us>>107870895Cope, my xiaomi phone still works well since 2019, chinese shit is only bad when it's made by "western cut all costs" standards.>Complete with integrated spying technology and building hardware backdoors!>what is IME?>what is AMDs PSP?I rather have the ccp see what I'm doing than israel and usa, truth is, you will beg to be able to buy a chinese gpu in the near future, goyim
lol
>>107870895I had some Chinese ddr3 and ddr4 that I got for years. They still work. Used to order the ddr4 sticks in batch from Aliexpress, it was 10-15 euros for a single 8 gig stick. Now? It's at least 30 euros. Same for ddr3, last summer I got a batch of 10 8 gig ddr3 for 40 euros, same batch would cost me 140 euros now
I believe this as much as I believe in permanent COVID masking and climate lockdowns.
>>107870947Israel is our greatest ally, they have no reason to do anything to us or you as an individual.China will sell your data. AMD is based and would never spy on its customers. Everything AMD is open source, CHUDSo go ching chong chung chang somewhere else, Xia
>>107870895You know Intel had nsa mandated backdoors for two decades now right? And amd has a technology that they don't put it open source, even printers had dot matrix footprints and identifications in the past. At least China can't do shit with your data (as long as you don't live in China)
>>107870626
>>107870713Third worlders/g/ hosts a large number of 3rd worlders that in comparison make me look like I am Elong fucking Musk.I really have to thank them, tho. I've learned through their suffering that nobody truly needs more.However because I live 10 mins from a Microcenter and own 2 homes, several computers and 5 cars, I still want more.
>>107870626SCREENSHOT AND NO LINK>SCREENSHOT AND NO LINKSCREENSHOT AND NO LINK>SCREENSHOT AND NO LINKSCREENSHOT AND NO LINK>SCREENSHOT AND NO LINKSCREENSHOT AND NO LINK>SCREENSHOT AND NO LINK
>>107870985Do you think Orange Cheeto is going to just sit by and let you buy stuff from China?
>>107870998Nigger you have internet access right? Just Google the few first words of the article
>>107871000Well good thing I'm not in USA then :) and don't worry, these things get smuggled all the time. Just like China smuggles pallets of 5090s in the country the reverse will happen too. Hell even hp said fuck it and went to the cxian or something ram manufacturer for ram
>>10787102499% of the discussion in this thread has been made only based on the headline.
Ok, it's time to learn Hanzi and Mandarin.
>>107870626>WE THE CONSUMERS NEED RAM TOONo you don't. You're supposed to rent your RAM from a data center, for a monthly cost.
>>107870728Get some stock my dude, i have spare ddr3, ddr4 and a single kit of 16 gig DDR5 laying around. Also a spare ryzen 5 4 core laptop mobo that the screen was broken. If it comes to that I will just build a ddr3 rig and install zorin or something
>>107870851You got few hundred million dollars laying around? Building a fab is very expensive
>>107870713I'm willing to spend 800eurodollar for 32GB of ram, there is just no stock any fucking where in my cesspool
>>107870626Maybe it's time to enlist and get early access to battlefield 7 with better graphics.
>>107871040It is a fact. They bought the wafers even before they got turned into ram. So you have less (or none) wafer that is going to be turned into CONSUMER ram. Which means stock will shrivel, prices will continue to increase, and it won't get any better before it gets Hella worse and the bubble pops
>>107870640>what do (You) """need""" RAM for?every single chip needs ram you fucking retard.I work in embedded, every fucking hardware has already seen over 50% price hikes and it's not stopping anytime soon.nxp, advantech, toradex, utimaco, thales, whatever else, from esp32 to HSM, every fucking hardware, it does not matter if you need 1KB of sram or 4TB of RDIMM, it's the same fucking shit.you ahve to realize that ABSOLUTE EVERYTHING WITH A CHIP IN IT WILL COST 30-50% MORE, this is hard fact, I don't give a fuck if you don't believe me, numbers don't lie and if it last until 2031 then it means going backward as a civilization on every single metric, RMI machines, cars, smart anything, networking, watches, lights in the fucking street, everything.meanwhile gen AI and chatbot are beyond worthless and a net negative for humanity, what a waste of a fucking decade with flu-19, crypto and now this fake AI bullshit. fuck them all, ted was right and I'll stop my message here as 4chan is pozzed too these days.
>>107870626Upgraded before this, now it's triple what I paid a year ago on the same ram model.
>>107870641they won't. ram right now on ali is on-par or more expensive with ram i can buy here, and with them knowing the stable price which people will buy it at they won't stray too far from it in order to both undercut and profit
Usecase for RAM? Other than playimg gaymes or running ai. 16gb is enough for you
>>107871154Liar liar pants on fire, I actually work in embedded and we buy esp32s and stm32s in bulk from china, prices didnt change. I dont think they use the same ram of which there is deficit of
>>107870640what if the ram i already have dies?
The MSM story right now is that all this ram is going to future AI serverparks that still need to be build. But in reality it's the rich and powerfull buying up all the ram for future cloud servers that all the retards will start using because PC's and laptops become too expensive. You will own nothing, and you will be happy
>>107870713>why are people on a site made by and for autistic NEETs poorGee, I wonder.
YOU WILL BE CLOUD COMPUTINGAND YOU WILL LIKE IT
>>107871228I only have 8. I'd like to upgrade.
>>107870880Less, do it on an iGPU. They already match or exceed last gen consoles, and far exceed old 7th gen ones. Literally any game you can imagine is doable on that hardware if you are a competent programmer.
>>107870713yeah i recently upgraded to a ryzen 9600 with 32gbnot investing on the thing you're using 10 hours a day is retarded
>>107871257where do you live? I literally buy the shit myself for my company, just received a mail from aaeon (asus) today with a price hike of 10% staring next week on the kind of embedded x86 computers we use.toradex is starting vf61 production again, it IS happening, maybe the esp32 are still fine where you are but ti won't last long.>I dont think they use the same ram of which there is deficit ofsram is still "fine" as it's not made by the same companies as dram but anything with dram in it will feel it at some point.
>>107871338>x86>2026wake up
>>107870626Mexican cartels need to start smuggling chinese RAM.
>>107870641>china will fill the demandno they won't and if they become a threat, they'll be sanctioned.
Download more ram.
>>107871417Chinese dram makers are sanctioned already.
>>107870626Should I buy a xx90 with a cracked PCB repaired?
>>107870713At the rate the (((US))) and allies are crashing the global economy, we're all going to be poorfags soon, anon.
It's not even that expensive. 32gb of ddr5 is like $300-400, who gives a shit. I can't even buy tires for my car for that. Who cares about this other than neets?
What part of "You will own nothing, and you will be happy" do you not understand?
>>107870626>WE THE CONSUMERS NEED RAMNo you don't. 8GB is enough for 99% of home users. If you're a pro, stop complaining, you pay half price.
>>107870626I panic boughted more ddr4 ram, now I have 64gigs. If my main ddr5 rig goes under, at least I have something
>>107871463No. Pcb is the only thing you can't repair, the moment a layer breaks inside it's dead
People seriously thought that the AI bubble would just pop next week and prices would fall 50% overnight? Lol no.The datacenters aren't even built yet, but they're commissioning them more and more and they will all have to be filled with hardware.No they won't suddenly cancel them either. AI is here to stay bubble or no bubble and the production of semiconductors simply has to ramp up to match the demand.This is why you need to build the strongest system right the fuck now or you'll get seriously screwed by the market.There's no waiting this out unless your time frame is closer to 10 years.
>>107870626Source?
>>107871506Looks like my amd 5600x, 32gig ram and 5060ti 16gigs will have to last for a decade.
It is now imperative that AI failsWe can make the bubble pop if we unite together
>>107871535nice chaos dunk.
how long do gpus last?my first 1050 ti died withing 5 years of almost no use, then I got a 4090 on release, can I even expect it to survive 3 more years?
>>107871354x86 is perfectly fine as an arch and incredible as a platform, what's your issue?
>>107871589They can last over 20 years if you're lucky, and can be DOA if you're not.
>>107870713My desktop is great but I don't see the point in high powered laptops, I own two 16" desktop-replacement class laptops and after a year of lugging it around I decided I'd be much happier downgrading to a 14" thinkpad model from 4 years ago, I've had no regrets and love the portability.
>>107871589A bad capacitor can kill even the most expensive GPU's. Really cant put a lifespan on gpu's, cheap, or expensive.
>>107870640>gaming and aiThats like 90% of usage
>>1078711541kb and 4GB are not the same shit, I'm pretty certain
>>107871625yet your pc doesn't get 90% usage most of the time
>>107871589It's silicon lottery, just like cpus. If you don't over clock your gpu, keep it well ventilated, don't smoke near the pc case, keep it away from dust and not on a carpet, if you keep your gpu temperature below 65-70 degrees celcius during gaming (80-85 degrees the bonds between the die and the pcb starts to get loose) you can expect a solid 6-7 years out of it. Granted it is from a reputable brand and not the very cheapest make/model. For example msi ventus cards are cheaper than other msi models as they use the cheapest components in them
>>107871589Also mining cards tend to die very quickly compared to normal cards as their vrm and mosfets / capacitors are always pushed to the limit 7/24
>>107871608>>107871622>>107871644I see, so in the end, everyone here can still end up with no gpu at some point, damn, really makes you think.
>>107870626I really just don't care anymore.I'm going to read books.
>>107871706based and correct pilled.
>>107871485>8gb>windows 11If all you're ever going to do with a PC is open precisely one chrome tab then you might as well just be a normie with a phone and nothing else
>>107871706Based, muay thai and motorcycle for me
>>107871535I wish people would let the shitty deusex pretend games to die.1% value of the original game
>>107871681I mean the integrated amd apus are getting really capable these days. Called Radeon vega or something, even inside steam deck and steam machine. If it comes to that you would get a gaming laptop with an integrated amd ryzen apu (but it won't be comparable to rtx 5080 or 5090 as mobile chips cannot draw as much watt as a discrete graphics card)
>>107870713low effort baitdon't reply (you already did)
>>107870626Look on the bright side: Now companies are forced to stop doing bloat software and instead will actually think of the resources their software is hogging.
99.99% of the people here don't understand how VRAM works or how much is utilized in games. Nvidia has has been doing this for 30+ years and their optimization for both hardware and software is incredibly good at this point (best in the industry). People bought into propaganda that "oh VRAM has only increased by 50% in the past 9 years." Well yes.. but there are massive generational jumps between GDDR5 and GDDR7. 12GB is fine for 100% of the games out today and will be for the next few years.
>>107871154>it means going backward as a civilization on every single metric, RMI machines, cars, smart anything, networking, watches, lights in the fucking street, everythingand this is bad because?
>>107871800Please stop using this argument. We all know the fabled code wizards of the past are gone, no company nor game studio optimizes anything. When even a web browser hogs more than 4-5 gbs of memory there is something wrong. Hell I understand why people install Linux coupled with Firefox, my gaming laptop was super sluggish with windows 11 and chrome on it but on zorin os it is lightning fast
>>107870713thing is, before this decade, tech has gotten cheaper and better.Last 5 years tho, all software have gone to shit (subscription etc) and gpu prices have skyrocketed. What the fuck is wrong with the world?How I wish I was in the 90s again playing with 386s, fuck today's world.And I can afford the fucking tech if I want to, I'm 1% in my yurup country. I just rather use that money nowadays for different things
Glad I got 96GB ddr5-6000 for $350 a while back. I guess it will have to last me a while.
>>107871834You're good till DDR6 bro, relax
>>107871800This is a cope right up there with "chip makers will ramp up production to meet demand any day now"
>>107871839>This is a copeOk and? You wanna cry about how bad it is instead?
Wait, is the 2x8GB kit I bought for testing now worth something? Or is that too small.
>>107871820>"We all know the fabled code wizards of the past are gone, no company nor game studio optimizes anything."The AI will.
>>10787168120 isn't the upper limit, it's just where I stop counting years. There are still cards from the 80s kicking around that work. If you have a decent stockpile, it very well could last the rest of your natural life.
>>107871857Please. The ai can't even take into account the events happened last month. Its information database is old and it blurts whatever it can scrape from Google, be it text or image. True generative AI is still a good 10 years away and it won't come without its issues.
>>107871806Considering there will be no consumer hardware available for reasonable prices and Nvidia has basically said 'lol we don't make shit for games anymore', it's going to have to be. How many developers are shitting themselves RIGHT NOW that they have to actually work to make their games run and not just brute force it on the new hardware?
>>107871854DDR5? Depends on the brand and CL. If it's Sodimm less money, if it's udimm more money. If it's a really good brand with high cl then you can get up to 150-200 usd in used market
All the memory that hasn't been made yet has been bought by companies for products not built yet for services that don't exist yet.When the bubble bursts the crash will be glorious.
>>107871681This isn't even mentioning how refurbished and remanufactured graphics cards are a thing. Chinks are still selling new production Ati Rage XL cards because they keep recycling the components.
>>107871877>$700 RTX 7090, $500 for a used 6090>2x64gb of DDR5 8000mhz ram for $250>8TB SSDs for $150it will be glorious, just hope fiat stops dying anytime soon because otherwise we'll be looking at these kinds of prices even if the AI bubble and demand does drop kekI suggest finding a few hedge investments.
>>107870880Do it on Linux.
>>107871877Everyone shits on this, but it seems to be true. Has Altman even paid for any of the (((RAM))) he's (((purchased)))?>I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a terabyte of RAM today
>>107871877The bubble isn't going to burst. They're all in, and the government will prop it up if needed so they don't 'lose' to china.
>>107871848Don't get pissy with me just because hard reality threw cold water on your wishful thinking
>>107871920"paid" is a complicated term when we're discussing a company that is 5-10x in the red and purchases everything using debt
>>107871921We only need OpenAI to fall and they will because it's mostly a scam.
>>107871931Well, I imagine SK Hynix, Micron, and Samsung actually want money from him at some point and not gay blowjobs.
>>107871910You're too optimistic. It will take years for those level of components to drop that much. It took 20 years for ddr3 to get like few usds per 8 gig stick (the biggest capacity stick). It would be the same for ddr4 or ddr5 in a good 15 years
>>107871959The Ai companies work by deals now, there is no cash flowing. Open Ai makes a deal with Nvidia for 100 million dollars, Nvidia takes half of it makes another deal with another Ai company, that company makes a deal with Nvidia for another amount etc... Only a tiny fraction of the cash money goes to tsmc
>>107871948It won't fail, though.
>>107871921The optics of that will be untenable after 2008 and if a burst does happen, it'll be after 2028 meaning Newsome (or whoever wins that isn't Vance) will just blame the whole thing on Trump to wash their hands of it and destroy populism for good
>>107871961nta, but whenever these companies start selling off old stock, whether that be due to the datacenters shutting down or upgrading to new components, said used components will be dirt cheap just like they were during the crypto crash.
>>107871644Only 6-7 years AFTER you do all that shitI mean the other stuff is easy but my GPU goes up to 85c when using it at maximum fps albeit
>>107871974Yeah, but Samsung and Hynix aren't AI companies. They don't appear to be in the great Nvidia/Open AI game of ookie cookie either. And I imagine that they will definitely want some money at some point and not just some trillion dollar IOU.
>>107872005Everything is based on IOU funny money now thoughNothing on the scales of trillions of dollars is ever handled with anything resembling normal human currency2008 was a perfect example of this
>>107871961Meh we've been through this shit before over the years. These companies just band together hard to price fix since there's so little competition. Maybe I'm too optimistic but the people saying it won't end until 2030 are completely fucking delusional.
>>107872001The problem is hbm is not compatible with your atx motherboard. And the gpu racks won't fit anywhere at your home. Sure they might sell some 5090s but they won't come to you, they will go to other companies who buy them in bulk. Same thing for enterprise ssds
>>107870637lol vramlet having a copie!
>>107872002Repaste time. Normally thermal throttling stops you at the limit and cuts down your performance. It also applies to cpus
