Does anybody know what the hell happened to the Funtoo project and what Daniel Robbins is up to nowadays? I heard the OG Gentoo project was taken over after he left to wageslave a while and make ends meet but that he couldn't retake its reins once he did try to come back, then coming up with the Funtoo project, which died a few years ago, but the page (https://www.funtoo.org/) was updated recently and I haven't seen anyone comment on it. Is anyone out there in the know of whatever it is that they're brewing?>haibane attached for your viewing pleasure and maximizing anon engagementI also remember some anons working on a s6 + xenocara + portage based distro, any of you still out there?
>>107892690give up this is a local model board now
>>107892690I'm not exactly sure what happened but he announced the end of Funtoo late last year. My guess is he saw the current state of linux and the fact that most of the modern users aren't interested in the wolfpack philosophy and got sick on the lack of help and spending more time hacking around IBM's spyware than doing interesting fun stuff.
>A new evolution of Funtoo's core ideas is being built from the ground up, unencumbered by legacy toolchains, with a target for an initial public release in early 2026.Slopcoded distro confirmed.
>>107894991They are obviously talking about finally eliminating the python dependency required by portage (and hopefully bash too).The Funtoo project is probably not possible to maintain anymore due to the fact that Gentoo has been screwed up so badly by the Google employees currently ruining it. The new EAPI specs are terrible. Along with the various retarded changes over the past 4-5 years. Like what they've done to the kernel and OpenRC along with the whole every package now making a user account thing.
>>107894991you seriously sound like a bot but congrats on clicking the link>>107895880what's wrong with python and bash? bash is pretty much omnipresent in the linux world, and python is convenient for writing scripts, which should make it a decent fit for portage since the language being slow for running gazillion of loops and branches matters very little when we're just running one off scripts for fetching packages and telling a real compiler to do the heavy lifting. am i missing something?
>>107895953>What's wrong with python?It's a huge pain in the ass to update when it's required to run the basic parts of the OS stack. If you weren't around for the 2.x -> 3.x switch over then consider yourself lucky. Dealing with python targets in Gentoo has always been a lot of trouble. It could have all been easily avoided by using C or even basic sh scripting instead. Sourcemage is much easier to maintain for an example and it basically does the same thing that portage does.Python is also slow as fuck.>bashThe hard requirement on bash means you can't replace the root shell with anything else like fish, zsh, ksh or whatever the fuck else you'd prefer. It should be easy to swap the root shell but 25+ years of legacy cruft has always prevented this.Portage has always been a slow piece of shit. It's badly designed. There were multiple plans to eventually replace it but like most things people have just added more bullshit on top over the years and no one wants to break existing ebuilds. Hence why the few attempts at replacing it with something written in C have not caught on.Portage was forgivable for years due to what you got in return (USE flags and the community providing ebuilds). But now that the Gentoo project has been derailed on purpose there is no point in continuing to deal with it.It would take me far too long to explain what all has been ruined in Gentoo since about 2015. Just know it's really bad now and most of the power users have been leaving in droves for the past 5-7 years because we all saw the writing on the wall. When they started banning people, deleting entire forums and openly bragging about it on the mailing lists we all knew it was over. There was hope that maybe we could take the project back through the council but they've subverted the democratic political system to the point not that it's impossible to vote them out. Hence why Funtoo was started in the first place.
>>107895953>>107896036>PythonI should have added. When you're just using it for Portage it isn't too bad (aside from being a slow piece of shit). But when you have say 3 ebuilds all wanting different versions of python then you get into a mess.This is why python and perl have always been avoided for the "base system" of most Linux distros (to borrow a term from the BSDs). Instead people rely on sh scripts because they're more portable and don't pull in so much garbage that's hard to maintain. Same goes for bash vs. sh. It's easier to write proper portable scripts than to rely on bash. Having a hard requirement on bash just makes it much harder to maintain the system and restricts choice.If you were going to have something like python in your "base system" using perl would be a better way to go. But perl has its own host of problems. Therefor, anyone with good sense that thinks they need something more than sh scripting will always go for C instead. C is much faster at run time, it's easier to maintain within your "base system" since libc is already a basic requirement for everything else and it's portable.
>>107896036I see. Did you get to develop for Gentoo? Any insider information on what Drobbins has in store?>deleting entire forums and openly bragging about it on the mailing lists we all knew it was overI assume you're talking about what ended up spawning otw20>It would take me far too long to explain what all has been ruined in Gentoo since about 2015If you have the time to explain or to spoonfeed me some links I'm all ears
>>107896093>If you have the time to explain or to spoonfeed me some links I'm all earsI don't have time to pull up links. But off the top of my head;>KernelCurrently the guy maintain the gentoo-kernel is shipping a bunch of patches by default that you do not want on your system. All old timers use vanillia-kernel for this reason.>initThere is a guy camping the OpenRC project that has refused PRs from the community for years. He made a bunch of bad changes most everyone didn't want. Most old timers run and maintain an older version of OpenRC that you have to get from GURU now>systemd shimsA bunch of projects we used to maintain inside the project were killed off by this same group on purpose and replaced with stuff pulled from systemd's repo. Usually with underhanded tactics. For example, the guy squatting on OpenRC sat on a PR to fix a bug in opentmpfiles for 2 years. Then declared it was a security risk on day and they replaced it with systemd's tmpfiles replacement. Which had the exact same bug and as far as I know it hasn't been fixed. They did the same thing with consolekit and forced logind on to all systems randomly one day despite the community not wanting it. Along with a bunch of other stuff like that.Those are just the ones I remember there have been tons of other things they did. The new EAPI stuff is a huge mess no one wanted. They've basically made themselves dictators for life by abusing the voting for the political process. They've silenced and banned anyone that called them out over the years. Google and IBM employees openly brag about this stuff on the mailing lists.Gentoo is basically Fedora built from source now. The default OpenRC profile even ships a binary blob for Rust's compiler by default these days along with a host of other stuff you don't want.They try to coast on the reputation the project got 15+ years ago. Anyone that tries to contribute in a positive way gets banned pretty quickly.
>>107896155One important one I forgot is the /usr merge. For years we maintained the system in a way where you had the option to run /usr on its own partition (or even on a network drive). They've recently pushed a policy where the /usr merge is going to be a hard requirement. They're in the process of making that happen right now. First they pushed merged /usr as the new default then they plan to take the option away all together in the coming year. /usr on its own partition is important for a lot of people running systems that aren't "Fedora from source".The Gentoo project basically got subverted when Google started using it as a base for ChromeOS. You're just beta testing for them at this point. It's their project now.While they've been doing all of this they've also blocked a lot of things that would have improved the actual distro as a whole. Like fixing the various problems with portage.In other words; They've done just about everything in their power to remove end user choice. Which is what the project was founded on and what it's supposed to be about. You can't even run a static /dev these days without tons of hacking.Most of the old timers are only still there because they've invested so many years into the project and there is no where else to really go. We all use local overlays and maintain patches for older ebuilds. Plenty of people have fled or have made plans to leave though. I ended up on the BSDs.>>107896093>Did you get to develop for Gentoo?Yes for years. Now I mostly contribute to OpenBSD. I tried working with FreeBSD but it's suffering from a lot of the same problems as the major Linux distros now. So I'm mostly only an end user and don't send back patches.I have no idea what Drobbins is up to now. I haven't spoken with him since 2020 or so. I did contribute to Funtoo for awhile but I have limited time so I wasn't able to spend as much time on it as I'd like. I also didn't like some of the decisions he made.
>>107896209pufferfish wit da big ass lip
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>>107896155>>107896209thanks for taking the time. the BSDs were on my list of things to check but it's a bitch how you can't natively fuck around with Cuda in them since as far as I know Nvidia doesn't provide the drivers. same thing for musl distros. i've been using Void but it too prohibits a dedicated usr partition and recommends shit like elogind in the manual, fuck that>>107896283now for the cuck license bot
>>107896036>The hard requirement on bash >>107896155>Currently the guy maintain the gentoo-kernel is shipping a bunch of patches by default that you do not want on your system. All old timers use vanillia-kernel for this reason.>the guy squatting on OpenRC sat on a PR to fix a bug in opentmpfiles for 2 years.>The default OpenRC profile even ships a binary blob for Rust's compiler by default these days along with a host of other stuff you don't want.What the actual fuck. I guess it's Artix or OpenBSD now.
>>107896363you can always try alpine if you're willing to ditch glibc or parabola of all things
>>107896093>I assume you're talking about what ended up spawning otw20I should have touched on this as well. Yes I'm referring to that.What happened is this; They started applying heavy handed censorship to the forums. It got to the point where you couldn't talk about a lot of subjects on the support/technical sub-forums without the thread being closed and if you kept up having your account banned. Most of this had to do with the usual stuff that'll get you in trouble on all mainstream Linux forums these days. systemd, rust, IBM/Microsoft/Google influence, FreeDesktop/Red Hat and related subjects. All of this became something you weren't allowed to talk about at all. Usually faggot janny stuff like closing threads and declaring things to be "off topic" and/or "bad for the forum". You know what I mean.This ended up driving a lot of old timers to the Off Topic (Off the Wall) forum where you could talk about anything. So really long threads ended up there where this stuff was talked about and where people that wanted to run systems that weren't close to the new defaults could gather, work together, share ebuilds/overlays and all that good stuff.This was obviously a problem for the group that subverted the project. Since users were not only maintaining ebuilds and sharing tips they were also calling these people out by name, archiving their posts on the mailing lists and documenting things like the companies they were working for (Google, M$, IBM/Red Hat etc.) and showing clearly who now had influence and was paying to ruin the project and subvert the democratic process that was supposed to keep it fair for the users.So what they did was claim that the thread where people had been ranting about politics for years was suddenly this huge problem due to racism and Donald Trump. Then they used that as an excuse to delete the entire forum and ban a bunch of users. Of course it was simply an excuse to nuke those threads.
>>107896347If you need CUDA then FreeBSD is your only option as far as the BSDs go. They provide proper drivers. But keep in mind you'll be running into the same issue with Nvidia that you currently have on Linux. My Nvidia card is no longer getting driver updates as of a few months ago on any OS. Despite the fact that it's still perfectly good and can run all modern games I've tried in addition to being able to do a bunch of AI related stuff. Sure it's a bit long in the tooth now (GTX980Ti) but still perfectly fine for my day-to-day use. I still off load some of my video processing to it all of the time (filters for encoding mostly). It certainly runs all the games I care about just fine. But now I'm stuck using older kernels if I want to continue using it on *nix OSs or running an older version of Windows (currently still on Windows 7 on that PC with a Gentoo dual-boot).My advice is to not buy Nvidia hardware. I only have this card because someone gifted it to me. Most everything I want to do heavy processing for is better on the CPU anyway even if it takes longer. But I mostly only do video encoding (x264 and x265 mostly) and that's been the way things have been since I started doing that back in the day on Amgia and later a 600Mhz P3. GPU encoding has always looked like shit and no matter how good hardware gets the software always catches up so a 25-30 minute episode is going to take 12-24 hours with the filtering I use. But off loading some of the filtering to the GPU is nice in some cases.It's really too bad everyone uses python for that now. Vapoursynth is cancer and I still prefer using avisynth when I can get away with it. vapoursynth is dependency hell that's even worse than your average Linux distro.For linux in general I see all distros converging rapidly. I don't think there is much hope for the ecosystem anymore. Unless someone does a hard fork of the kernel soon. Now that Rust is in the kernel and so much relies on libsysd it's pretty much over
>>107896448>GPU encoding has always looked like shitdelusional
>>107896401>parabolamost packages are horribly out-of-date, it's a nice project otherwise.>alpineI'll try it, thanks!
>>107896452I'll give you a pity (you). If you really believe this I feel bad for you. You obviously don't have great vision.I've been doing this professionally for 20 years now and as a hobby for 30 years. I know what I'm talking about.>>107896454You will probably enjoy this blog: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/>>107896338Posting another Lain for OP. Shame what happened to this show. Just one more thing the current batch of "enthusiasts" ruined.
>>107896472can you provide some evidence then also this isn't lain
>>107896448Could have sworn there were no proper drivers for Nvidia in FreeBSD. I'll have to check that now>>107896492lainfags love haibane and haibanefags love lain. it's all good>>107896454keep in mind alpine is minimal to the point of ridiculousness and uses musl which limits some of the proprietary stuff you can get in it. if you're fine with that then it's probably the final frontier of minimalist distros that are still usable. it's really endearing how tiny it is
>>107896544You want the libc6-shim. Official support should be coming soon though.
