I just want hardware to become affordable again.

>>107903547
you will own nothing

i hate how stupid the anti-ai discourse is
you could have smart conversations about this stuff, but instead you have completely illiterate people who don't touch the tech parroting some half-remembered piece of gibberish they heard from ed zitron or gary marcus.
both of whom are not particularly bright and prone to hyperbole, so you just get this pathetic act where they act smug about some shit for a few weeks before having to completely concede their points over and over and over and people keep lapping their shit up because they don't want to confront or deal with the presently reality or the massive fucking freight train barrelling towards us

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>>107903498
All they had to do was hide the indians for another 5 years and they would have been able to pull it off, they couldn't even manage that. It's like they wanted it to fail.

>>107903498
Coping luddites

How did openai afford hundreds of millions of Indians erp'ing with ChatGPT for only $8/mo?

>>107903709
inference is cheap and they're probably making money off most users, because most users don't actually use the models much.

>>107903560
I try to not form my opinions on youtube videos and histrionic ecelebs. I don't follow AI news, use chatbots or worry for that matter, write something or point me somewhere then, I'm interested in hearing your side of the coin.

>>107903737
These are Jeets we're talking about. They're hitting the limits every single hour asking about boobs and scams.

>>107903744
the models are getting better
the datacenters are real
the issues around power are huge and real
you may see some high-profile businesses going down (possibly perplexity) but the models are never going away
adoption rate and retention is absurdly high
people like and use the things
ordinary people often have more experience with the models than the commentator class because they're actually using them
you'll see populist politics both from left (sanders) and right (bannon) targeting these companies increasingly - it won't go anywhere
you don't need to believe in the machine god, just the machine office-stacy and coding-bootcamp-greg
the models are getting better, rl is working, we can probably get very far without continual learning, there will be real impacts on labor
the models are good enough to enable forms of surveillance we've never had before, that states will and are going to use them

these things will touch everything and instead you have people rocking back and forth repeating 'bubble' to self-soothe

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>>107903547
i just paid 170 fucking bongerbucks for an m.2 nvme ssd

>>107903945
1tb btw
kill me

>>107903945
I paid 300 for a 4tb one the same day that rumors started going around about price increases. It is over 500 now.
Did the same with the GPU and got a 5070ti for 50 bucks above msrp a week ago. Now they are likely discontinued.
I realized you have to stay alert on this market after I got burned with the RAM prices.

>>107903997
it's insane. luckily i built a new system last year but i needed the 2nd nvme cause im switching to linux but need to keep binbows for music production stuff. hopefully none of my shit dies in the coming years.

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>>107903908
>adoption rate and retention is absurdly high
This is important, I need you to be more specific about this, where, in what context is the adoption high? Adoption is more than just users I'm particularly interested in people's willingness to pay
>people like and
Do they? I guess total dissolution of society would have happened either way due to social media but accelerating it isn't exactly helpful either
>use the things
This is factual
>you'll see populist politics both from left (sanders) and right (bannon) targeting these companies increasingly - it won't go anywhere
This is irrelevant to the merit of these things, it's not a great equalizer the elites don't want you to exploit just a tool, if anything it should be concerning if all normal people are concerned

So far everything hinges on both their ability to improve and their economic aspect, with capturing the government the economic aspect is largely solved it all depends on their ability to improve and be integratd

>>107903908
the bubble is about five companies investing the same quarter billion dollars into each other and driving market caps up
Much like the dotcom bubble, the tech is real and will have real use, but the market can't support all these providers and sellers and resellers and this endless growth at once

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>>107903945
I paid 350 for an 1TB NVMe and two 2TB WD Red Pro HDDs. If only I had bought them back in August...

booblers are probably the dumbest fucking tools on /g/ atm
ed zitron is a seething libshit with TDS by the way

>>107904299
>the bubble is about five companies investing the same quarter billion dollars into each other and driving market caps up
see you're just parroting someone's talking points but it's enough if I ask you
>how is this bad exactly?
>explain how is this similar to the dotcom bubble?
You will not be able to explain because you have literally 0 knowledge about finance. Both these points have already been debunked to death by the way and its not remotely anything like the dotcom bubble

>>107903945
found a 2TB SATA at 85 euro but people complained about speeds. for some it seems to work. should I? it's some bottom of the barrel noname. I don't really need it. but doesn't hurt. but wouldn't want to get some memory stick speed bullshit even if true 2TB

>>107903908
Maybe you're referring to the paypiggy versions but overall, most of them are still siphoning other peoples' original contents. Just like how Google overview lets you avoid visiting a website by showing you info that you could've only seen if you visited the source website.
They still spew out made up or incorrect info which are taken as gospel truth by the masses.
And it's ironic that the same masses continue to paypig for them never mind if they were being trained to replace the exact same cattle that helped build/sustain them.

>>107903945
kek, mid october i got an open box 1tb samsung 990 evo plus for 60 bucks at a microcenter

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>>107903560
All Anti-AI is good. You have to be some jeet tranny faggot to support it. Cog suckers should be bullied wherever they're found. There are like 5 AI slop generals on /g/ alone full of trannies, that's a good place to start.

>>107903560
this, luddites ruin everything. ai is the wave of the future and AGI will happen in two weeks

>>107903908
it's also revolutionary, and magical. you forgot that part. datacenters that aren't built yet will be built and will be profitable forever

>>107904177
>This is important, I need you to be more specific about this, where, in what context is the adoption high?
in the specific areas of adoption between companies forcing their users to use it. copilot installed on everyone's PC that immediately gets uninstalled? that's still an install so adoption rate is 100%.

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>>107904716
>see you're just parroting someone's talking points but it's enough if I ask you
that's right, this is a talking point and not information you could ask any AI to tell you.

>You will not be able to explain because you have literally 0 knowledge about finance. Both these points have already been debunked to death by the way and its not remotely anything like the dotcom bubble
that's right, it's actually like Enron, where they used multiple shell companies to pump their stock value and were then convicted of Fraud. If you disagree, too bad, I already DEB00000000000000NKED it

>>107905487
this has been debunked and the market has priced this in.

>>107903560
>you could have smart conversations about this stuff
no you can't
>but instead you have completely illiterate people who don't touch the tech parroting some half-remembered piece of gibberish they heard from ed zitron or gary marcus.
vs retards who half-remember what musk or altman say
retards vs retards, what a nice fucking debate you have there mate.
>both of whom are not particularly bright and prone to hyperbole, so you just get this pathetic act where they act smug about some shit for a few weeks before having to completely concede their points over and over and over and people keep lapping their shit up because they don't want to confront or deal with the presently reality or the massive fucking freight train barrelling towards us
we don't need any of whatever these two unknown people said to hate this fuckign technology, I go to amazon, I see 32GB of ram over 500 eurodollar and it's enough to radicalize me against this shit.
no progress is worth sacrifying user freedom, if I can't own hardware anymore then no progress in software is worth it.
I don't give a fuck about chatbot, assistants, agents or whatever you want to rename software, it does not fucking matter, AI is built at my expense, I'd have to be a literal subhuman to support it, I don't need technical reasons to defend my point.

>inb4 people have been losing jobs since forever
fucking retard, it's not about jobs it's about agency, I'm not losing my freedom so the arrow can go up and I can live my life as a service, the cattle larp is not for me, you can shit on yourself and eat grass while talking to the e-gf you're renting from them for all I care, you're in no position to be smug about it though.

>>107905530
this has also been debunked and the market has priced this in.

sorry kid, AI is a super intelligence and any attempt of your feeble mind to comprehend it just results in sounding childish and malnourished. it's literally programming itself and will invent AGI Jesus in two weeks.

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>>107903498
>"two more weeks" fags changed to "two more months" to be wrong less often

>>107903560
>adoption rate and retention is absurdly high
The industry made $0 so far and according to JP Morgan it would need to extract $35 per month from every single iPhone user until in the world just to have a 10% ROI in 2030
OpenAI estimates that 10% of their customers will be on a paid plan by then
Bubblers are right about the bubble existing; they just won't get the results they want since small to medium models will still be there, and big ones from previous years may still be operated

>>107905503
this has been debunked also. infinite growth will happen and the market has priced in infinity growth forever

>>107905547
remember when Altman said AGI was in 2025? two more months until that too, right? Or does he need another $100 billion in low-interest taxpayer backed loans?

>>107905545
>this has also been debunked and the market has priced this in.
no it did not
>sorry kid, AI is a super intelligence and any attempt of your feeble mind to comprehend it just results in sounding childish and malnourished. it's literally programming itself and will invent AGI Jesus in two weeks.
don't care, give me hardware at fair price
I can buy 192GB at 2k€ but it does not fucking matter, I'm not wasting 1/4 of my monthly salary on ram, they can go fuck themselves, I'm not making the arrow goes up

>>107905567
this was also debunked, he said AGI is actually not real
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/11/sam-altman-says-agi-is-a-pointless-term-experts-agree.html


also he said 2026.
https://opentools.ai/news/sam-altman-predicts-ai-led-superintelligence-by-2026-are-you-ready

so this year is the year!!!!!

>>107905597
this was also debunked
you don't need hardware at a fair price, you need AI to protect you from china and russia and also do your job so you can get UBI from the government

>>107903908
>adoption rate and retention is absurdly high
"Adoption" is driven primarily by executive decree (and the typical rationale for doing so is "well, everyone else is already using these") and companies like Microsoft shoving AI features into every product they have to claim billions of Copilot users.
Retention is also a function of that, since most enterprises just purchase X seats worth of access and until an exec decides to cancel that, they'll still technically be paying customers regardless of actual usage.

t. "AI solution architect"

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>>107904308
Same brother........same.

>>107903560
Its combination of things, not just people parroting 2 guys
>Supposedly smart chat it’s being next to useless in actual work
>Average user being unable to tell the difference in output of better LLMs
>The fact that the debate is between nothing ever happens people and people predicting mass layoffs next 6 months every few months, and nothing ever happens people winning
>Only AI showing progress is video AI which is at best borderline useless to the average person and at worst harmful to the internet
But the single worst point in this discussion is the fact that pro-AI people like Musk and Altman have been saying stuff about AI being dangerous and then getting infinite investment money from it. This immediately makes the average normie think that all the talk about AI achieving something being choked up to be investor propaganda, despite the fact that even the people like Musk and Altman who supposedly just larp with it have said the same stuff more then decade ago before AI was a hype bubble.