you... don't store data on ssd/nvme, right anon?>SSDs (including NVMe, which is just a fast PCIe-connected SSD) store data in NAND flash by trapping electrical charge in cells. Over time, especially when left **unpowered**, that charge slowly leaks. As the charge level drifts, the controller may misread bits, leading to **bit rot** or uncorrectable errors. Unlike HDDs, SSDs need periodic power so the controller can refresh weak cells and rewrite data. High temperatures, higher-density NAND (TLC/QLC), and cells with many prior writes all accelerate charge loss.>Modern SSDs use **ECC (error-correcting codes)**, so early corruption is often silently corrected. Problems start when errors exceed ECC limits: files may fail checksums, decompress incorrectly, or become unreadable. Consumer SSDs are typically rated to retain data **~1 year unpowered** at room temperature after being written, but this is a minimum spec. In real-world conditions, data loss has been observed in **months** for heavily worn drives or those stored hot; enterprise drives often do better but are not immune.>Detection relies on **hashes** (e.g., SHA-256) or parity recorded when data is known-good. Periodically re-hashing and comparing detects silent corruption that the filesystem may miss. Filesystems like **ZFS or Btrfs** automate this via checksums and scrubbing. Mitigation is simple: keep multiple copies, periodically power SSDs and rewrite data, store them cool, and never rely on a single unpowered SSD for long-term archival storage.
>>107906627The solution to this problem is hilariously simple but it seems to have become some kind of hacker/esoteric knowledge.
how do you deal with bitrot? in most cases you don't even notice it and you can overwrite the good files with bad files when updating backups
>>107906627meanwhile my 20 year old flash drive that i haven't used since i got it still has my files on it
>>107906627>in your drawerno one but schizo and retards do this. This also applied to HDDs and worst of all the startup on HDDs is where most failures occur so you're shooting yourself in the foot doing that.
you can't stop me from printing all my personal photos. what else would I need to backup to storage? porn?
>>107906627I remember being 12 and learning this too. Today OP has popped his cherry
>>107908245thankfully i only lost one movie (die hard 2)
>>107906717Use ZFS
>>107908319im retarded and on windows ntfs, doesnt seem like it'd help?next best solution? multipar?
>>107908291so nothing of value
just dont your pc off ever how is that hard retards
>>107908376turn*
>>107908369>next best solution?stop being on windows and use linux or macos
>>107906717rotational velocidensity
>>107906627No, not outside of a device I use at least semi-regularly. All my cat pictures and videos from her entire life (6 years, lime 80GB) are on 2 totally separate HDDs. I am interested in M-Discs specifically for that purpose, but haven't gotten around to buying any yet.
>>107906717btrfs. it verifies checksums on read so you can't backup a corrupt file
>>107906627My SSDs are almost constantly powered, so no problem.
My backup SSD's have been stored in a drawer for the past 7 years. Not even gonna check them anymore.
I don't have this issue because I don't own storage I'm not actively using. Old small SATA SSDs are useful for preserving the life of your NVMe drives by offloading garbage like browsers hammering them every 2 seconds to a drive you don't care about dying.
>>107906627what is ssd/nvme anon? data goes on spinning thing /dev/hda, /dev/hdb...
>>107906684Wouldn't the humidity be a bit of a problem?Because having a dedicated freezer just for that is getting deep into the retardation territory.
i store porn in 2 nvmes of 2tb installed in my old pc i turn on sometimes i think they will be fine
HDDs don't survive accidental drops which makes them far from ideal portable storage devices.HDD are fine in fixed NAS/rack enclosures but this only for a small portion of homeowners.Blu-ray/M-DISC are slow as fuck yes but if you really have something worth saving then you will dedicate a couple of days archiving your shit properly.The only flash tech one should trust is Optane, SLC, pSLC and MLC.Thanks for reaching my blog.
>>107906627>owning dataMy laptop doesn't even have storage, it boots a read-only USB stick to RAM and everything is gone after a power down.
>>107906627nothing burger. it'll take what? a decade at least to lose its data.
Why don't we just add small watch batteries to SSDs like they did with old video game cartridges?
>>107906627bitrot just has to happen in the translation table, the whole ssd gets bricked
>you... don't store data on ssd/nvme, right anon?>more expensive than HDD>lower chance of data recoveryNo, why would I?
>>107909511Ziplock bag with air removed with a straw might be 80% as good.
>slowly losing your data>data loss = .000000000000000000000000001488 piconanobytes per decade
>>107906627I have a old Crucial MX500 1TB SSD that is in a USB enclosure that hasn't been powered in years and when I plugged it in to inspect what data is on there everything was still accessible. It even had a large game ISO rip that I used to install a game and it installed everything just fine and I was able to play the game.>>107906717I stopped worrying about it, and honestly throughout my years of carrying my data from my old Win XP days going through all the OS up until Win 10 and now Arch, all my old anime data that I carried over is still accessible and honestly if it is corrupt by the time I do watch something in my backlog I just look for a new rip with better encoding.
>>107906627>you... don't store dataNope, nothing that matters anyway. After I lost my house in a fire I keep everything important in a lock box at the bank in physical form plus backups at my parents place. Everything on my pc is easily replaceable (games, music, movies etc).
>>107911941There would still be some residual moisture left in the bag, but vacuum sealing it with some silica gel in the bag might take care of thatcould be an interesting experiment
NAND technology is proving to be a dead end.The only advantage is that it is fast.
>>107912837Nah, it can compete with LTO tape, see >>107906684A huge advancement would be onboard self-cooling when the SSD is powered off. That way you wouldn't need to chuck them in your fucking refrigerator like a lunatic.
>unpoweredgood thing i never turn my computer off but once every 4 or so months to clean it.
>>107907470The 768 SNES roms I downloaded in 2005.
>>107909812Where doss one acquire SLC and MLC storage in 2K26? I doubt it is price competitive even compared to BD-R’s
>>107913631I mean that is why we have AVIF/AV1 lol. Might not look good on your chungus 4K living room TV but it's okay-ish on a tablet desu.
>>107906627i can't afford $4,000 worth of SSDs anyway
I honestly wish I could get the data off my ssd that just blew up. It had all my years of 4chan shit on it from 06+ and I cannot send it to a data recovery place cause it probably has questionable 4chan shit on it
>>107906627I have a Kingston SSD that I use daily bought in 2016 and never had a problem with it and since 2016 2 HDD brand new died on me after some years.HDD are overrated.
>>107913726look at that denoised shit
>>107914012what have you tried? Testdisk might be able to help.https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDiskYou should put up a thread so we can help you, im sure other anons would want old 4chan stuff saved and archived, properly.
>>107914012Unless it's illegal material, most places aren't going to give a shit. Hell, I've had full on "mature"/granny porn blasted in my face on checking a web-browser. People have no damn shame, dude.
>>107906627>slowly loses data broOkay show us an old drive with lost data>uhm err LOOK OVER THERE>/flees with youtube ad revenue shekels.Faggot
>>107906627No. Only spinning HDDs. The three NVME drives in my PC are for Games and my OS.
>>107907434I got a couple Micro Center / inland 1tb platinum SSDs that i'm not using. bought them in summer, didn't really care for it. they're currently in a storage box, opened and all since I thought I was going to use it on a laptop back then too
