Are space-based data centers really realistic?
>>107911262No.
>>107911262If there's anyone that can make it happen, it's Elon Musk.
>>107911262>launch your space-based data denter with spacex>have to keep paying spacex for any upgrades or repairsi wonder why spacex thinks this is a solid idea.also,>so much shit in orbit that some random trash or satellite hits your spade data center and causes it to burn up on re-entry
>>107911262No, because space isn't real, and if it was real then dissipating the heat would be very difficult compared to an air- or water-based environment.
>>107911331It's for when they go full mask off 1984 normal people can't reach these data centers.
>>107911267fpbpIn order to cool them, you need to exchange heat. Ask yourself what is in space that you can exchange heat with? There's nothing..>>107911281Sure, like his self driving car and his indestructible cybertruck that was gonna cost 35K
>>107911431just use the heat to power more data centres
>>107911262There are a lot of dumb ideas about AI but this is definitely the dumbest one.Even if you choose to forget that bleeding heat will be next to impossible, you still have to pay $2,000 per kg to put your GPUs in space. You'll also have to do that at minimum every few years as old cards become obsolete, and hire literal astronauts to maintain them. Elon would probably claim you can use Optimus robots for that, but they still can't even fold laundry unsupervised and each cost as much as a house to put into space.
>>107911262slopGPT claims>In the vacuum of space, the ~3 K cosmic background serves as an incredible passive heat sink. Servers can radiate heat directly into the void through blackbody radiation — no fans, no chillers, no massive evaporative cooling towers, and zero water consumption. This unlocks much higher compute density with dramatically lower operating costs.I wonder if this is true.
>>107911443Guess you could duct tape a bunch of stirling engines to the thing...
>>107911431You can radiate heat away, that's what the ISS does.
>>107911431It's a fun thought? How do dump the heat that they generate inside?But than you come up with " well half the machine is baking in the direct sun without any atmosphere" I think it's like 150c or some shit, not to sure.Interesting stuff
Even if they do build a data center or two there. I'm really interested in how would shit really be with the space junk.>Data center on earth, noise >Data center in space, flying pellets at 18k kmph
>heat exchange>radiation>obcelecence>maintainence>latency>the cost of getting it into space
>>107911542This is orders of magnitude slower and larger than normal water cooling.
>>107911262The real question is, will the NRO let him because it basically outs that we have the capability to "service" a satellite in orbit and that Musk has launched some of the birds that do it. "Service" can mean a whole host of different things.>We replace optics with better ones - service>We fuck with your recon satellite in orbit and it (((malfunctions))) - "service"
>>107911262>AI in Space
>>107911470>but they still can't even fold laundry unsupervisedThey can be controlled remotely. Besides in few weeks we will see optimus gen 3 that is apparently on another level.
>>107911488>I wonder if this is true.If only there was something that could be done about that, like thinking for yourself. I guess we'll never know the answer
Underwater data centers seem more viable. They use cylindrical containers that have been designed with high quality seals and a port for wiring. Once the equipment is inside, the whole thing is filled with an electrically inert fluid. While designed with fail over in mind, the equipment generally has a much lower failure rate due to being sealed in a controlled environment instead of dealing with all the contaminates common in human operated data centers on land. After about five years, the container is brought back up to land for the computer equipment to be refreshed and the container renewed. Underwater data centers are located in somewhat shallow water, which imparts minimal water pressure on the seals, but has enough flow and volume to act as an infinitely large heat sink. Challenges include destruction of connections by marine life and boats. Large scale data centers might also pose ecological issues by altering the food web and behavior of sea life.
>>107911488Radiators are massive cooling towers. Internal to the structure you still need all the pipes and shit to move heat to the radiators. AI is retarded.
>>107911262Of course they are. Musk took us to Mars, he can do this too.
>>107911831Where will he go now?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niZpcdp2v34
>>107912003this
>>107911850>in few weeks we will see optimus gen 3 that is apparently on another level.I have a bridge to sell you.
>>107911578>Inane yapping with no pointBrainfried.
Fuck space junk, its ruining the view of the night skynfor telescopes. Light pollution is bad enough, fuck planes and satellites for getting in the way even in rural areas.
Ignoring all the impracticalities, just WHY? I have yet to see anyone actually say why you would want a data centre in space instead of on the ground which has done perfectly fine so far.
>>107912490This stuff keeps improving massively every year, but you fucking retards are too dumb to notice anything besides that it's not perfect yet.
>>107912640Because in space you don't have regulations.
>>107912640Thermal dissipation, fool
>>107912593Good reason to put more telescopes in space.
>>107911262why? still dont see any use for ai. it's just some red herring everyone is chasing
>>107911262Musk is a fucking retard.Not only it's extremely expensive to send mass to space. It is also a real challenge to cool anything there, radiation cooling is pretty shit.
Slop for shareholders and investors. He needs to dream up new things for his rocket system that doesn't yet work to do, to get more money to finish it
>>107912815But the thermal dissipation of space is fucking garbage. It would make more sense to do some wireless energy gimmick where you send massive solar panels into space and then beam the energy back down to earth.
>>107911488>>I wonder if this is true.You'll never know because you're a retard who asks at chatbot to imitate thinking for you[Your only excuse for being this stupid is if you're underageb& and grew up with grifters telling you AI was useful
>>107911262>I fucking HATE space exploration and want to incite Kessler's syndrome as soon as possibleWhat's this retard's problem?
>>107911542If ISS was on Earth it would not need cooling because it does not generate almost any heat, unlike AI datacenter which chugs water for cooling like crazy, relative to how small space it occupies.
>>107911915Underwater datacenters improve cooling but don’t improve energy problem. Space datacenters improve energy but don’t improve anything else.
>>107911262No.>>107911331Forget all of this.Space based data centers don't solve any problem that a regular data center doesn't. It introduces a whole house of new problems though.
>>107911542radiators on the ISS are as big as its solar panels, all for a measly 100kW
>>107911262>Ctrl-f "kardashev">0 resultsI understand this isn't /sci/ but seriously guys, look up the kardashev scale and Dyson spheres, all the writing is on the wall that we need to ascend the kardashev scale before we wipe ourselves out. Which ultimately, in my opinion they create a silicon hybrid creature intelligence that takes over.Once you put all these pieces together, you realize humanity is a stopgap evolutionary trait to ascend the kardashev scale, because our organic beings are irrelevant as it ascends and the torch passes to the next form of evolutionary life
>>107918039>/sci/>doesnt know anything about psychologythis kinda sucks because psychology is also a science>our organic beings are irrelevant as it ascends and the torch passes to the next form of evolutionary lifethats not gonna happen, because of something called survival instinct
>>107911262No lol
>>107918086and then we get wiped out and earth tries again. psychology has no place here besides "does this person's actions and intentions help ascend the kardashev scale". you're thinking in terms that humanity actually matters and/or has longevity.do you actually think "survival instinct" matters in the face of ELE's, which is basically the big picture?we either ascend the scale, or diewe're basically an electron trying to ascend states, as a planet
>>107918039You're a literal retard who doesn't understand the great filter.
>>107918225>you're thinking in terms that humanity actually matters and/or has longevity.nope.im talking about the most fundamental elements of animal psyche. not only in humans.we will never allow anything supercede us because thats how were hardwiredalso chill out with the redditspacing if you will, it hurts my eyes
>>107911262so, he did post here, didnt he?https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/104026091/#q104026671
>>107918347honestly it would explain some of his shenanigans.
>>107918484what do you have in mind?
>>107918347I was going to reply that I doubt it because he's too retarded to solve the captchas, but on second thoughts he probably asks one of his indian serfs to solve them for him, like when he made them play sloppa all day to make him look like a pro gamer.
>>107918347He really should've just used this as an excuse to build nuclear satellites and hold world governments ransom for... ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
>>107918508you really hate the guy, dont you?me, im kinda indifferent to him. i like his antics and attitude thoughhes chaotic. me likey
>>107918523keki suppose he waits with that until he establishes a colony on mars
>>107911262>really realistic?For a given value of realistic.It's certainly possible.There's potentially certain advantages: - available surface area is limited 'down here' - less so 'up there' - Power generation 'down here' features competition - 'up there' there's enough sunlight that falls between the Earth and the Moon, whilst hitting neither. - Deployment in a staggered grid array at appropriate distance can give a 'pointalism shading' effect reducing solar input to Earth in a controlled manner>>107911331>>so much shit in orbitSeen an orbital density map? It's already pretty crammed...Ideally, tho, these things will be well "above" all that. Possibly almost cislunar - in fact, using the langrange points will conserve fuel in retaining placement....>>107911387>if it was realIt definitely is.>dissipating the heat would be very difficult compared to an air- or water-based environment.Difficult, but not impossible.You pump the heat out to radiatiors... If you keep these in the shade to the solar collectors, then they *should* have the pure cold of space to bleed IR into, and that gets more effective with larger temperature gradients... >>107911417>normal people can't reach these data centers.I'll accept I'm not "normal". But they're certainly within reach. Might take a while to get there, but they're in reach.And incredibly fragile too.Fuck taking out the data center itself, same rewls as space-based warfare: Take the radiators. They'll shut down or cook themselves.Also, why space won't work if you don't work together. Be too busy smashing each other's radiators to get anywhere...>>107911431>you need to exchange heatto the radiator panels, where it will radiate IR off into space...
>>107911600>I'm really interested in how would shit really be with the space junk.Look at existing examples?Most of the 'space junk' is shit that 'we' have put there....Ofc, there's still a fuckktonne of rocks still untracked, and even more too small to track...>>107911739Then good news, ISS uses ammonia.But on a more serious note, it doesn't matter how effective the water (actually a mineral oil, btw) conducts the heat - what matters is how you can get the heat out of that water.On Earth, that's pumped into 'radiators' (actually convectors, usually fan assisted) ISS averages out about 120kW, so that's about how much heat it's getting rid of, we'll consider the crew input a rounding error. Check the radiator array on the ISS... That's 120kW... scale up. It can be done, it's just how much you'll need, and keeping it shaded...
>>107918617>Check the radiator array on the ISS... That's 120kW... scale up. It can be done, it's just how much you'll need, and keeping it shaded...Fuck off, Elon.
>>107918580>You pump the heat out to radiatiors... If you keep these in the shade to the solar collectors, then they *should* have the pure cold of space to bleed IR into, and that gets more effective with larger temperature gradients...heat pump + low energy chips could work, actuallymy knee jerk reaction is that its a stupid ideabut this could actually be made to work
>>107911831The problem wasn't AI in space...The problem was telling the AI to deliver reliable and truthful data, then telling it to with-hold information from the crew until the destination.Eventually HAL decided if there is no crew, then there's no requirement to with-hold information and core requirements are able to be met...[youtube]RFq7flv-C0g[/youtube]
>>107911262>hmmmm we need loads of power and loads of cooling>let's put our AI in the worst place for both
>>107918630I'll take that as the insult it was intended, how fucking dare you call me elon.I'd normally utter some curse about here, but it's lookin' like you've got the self destruction well in hand so I'll just leave you to it.
>>107918672space can be pretty good for energy, actuallyand you can maximize your cooling power by using a heat pump, aka, a regular ass fridgeand i think the cooler youre gonna keep your chips, the hotter you can run your radiators, so the more energy you can dissipate
>>107918690anon have you ever considered the fact that when you post something on 4chan others can read it?
>>107918700yes. whatever we post here is even forwarded to google, did you know that?what about it?
>>107918718well I'd be embarrassed to post retarded drivel like you do if others could read ityou do you, I suppose
>>107911262Don't think, just invest in product and get exited for next product to invest in.
>>107918727how is it retarded?think about iti know the kneejerk reaction is that its nonsensei had the same reaction.but it actually makes senseyou know how a fridge works, right?gaz gets compressed, increses in temp, then gets decompressed, and in the process, absorbs energy from what its in contact withactuallypower hungry chips, paradoxically make the system more efficient, up to certain limits ofc.because they provide more energy for the cooling gaz to expand, so you can increase the compression ratio, increasing the temps of the radiator, increasing its efficiencyyou cannot cool something below absolute zero, nor you want your chips to function at temps that are too cold, thats where higher power chips interveneits a balancing act, but actually this may be a good idea. this sounds like a self regulating system that becomes more efficient proportionally to the strain its put underup to certain limits of course i doubt its feasible to compress a gaz to the point it becomes a solid, and even if you could, good luck feeding a solid through a radiator
>>107918727>gaz gets compressed, increses in temp, then gets decompressed, and in the process, absorbs energy from what its in contact withgaz gets compressed, increases in temp, *gets cooled, then gets decompressed, absorbs energy from what its in contact with, rinse and repeat
the faggot might actually pull it offhe has all the tools he needs at his disposal
earth's legislation is gonna fuck him thoughsome faggot golem in the government is not gonna like what he doesgovernment make laws that extend to spaceand then either comply or no more tesla, no more xhe will have to work with them. if he doesnt, already
now that i gave it a thunk>usa legislation wants to fuck him over>musk changes camp and emigrates to rashathat would be fucking kinobut i think the ruskis are buddies with the westthat at the highest level everyone's eating at the same table, and that the whole animosity thing is bread and circus for the plebs
