Why are they trying to kill X11 so hard?
Imagine Linux, but with better performance, application isolation, HDR and per-monitor fractional scaling.
>>107913196Because it's irrelevant. Time to get with the times, grandpa.
>>107913196most devs are totalitarian leftist, they think this as of a resources game, for them to succeed they need to kill everyone else.
>>107913293>application isolationActual anti-feature, which only purpose is being cargo cult from mobile app store culture making all kind of workflows impossible for no real security other than theather.
>>107913293To this day I have never heard anyone explain what HDR is, what’s it’s used for, and why I should care if it’s supported or not
>>107913293>>107913301I don't want that trash on my system.
>>107913293HDR *AND* VRR too.
>>107913353Wider color gamut and higher dynamic range.
>>107913354Does XLibre have an ETA for HDR support?
>>107913353Do you own a 10bit OLED panel? If not, than it's irrelevant to you.I do though so yes please, I'd like my Linux desktop to support HDR.
>>107913196I don't think picrel behavior is normal if they just want to provide a better alternative and if they have no ulterior motives.
>>107913381HDR is a gimmick. Who cares?
>>107913396>one likeWhat is even the fucking point of these little rinky dink social media sites? Why not just use an actual forum that you can actually categorize and navigate if your traffic is that low?
>>107913416>muh updoots>muh centralized corpo platformhang yourself
>>107913416Have you been on a forum lately? You measure their post rate in terms of days, weeks, or years.
>>107913389>omemed displayah that’s why I don’t give a shit>>107913381It’s probably somewhere in the backlog of PRs fedhat refused to merge
>>107913416You think he needs more validatiom for what he said? That it deserves a greater audience and more goodboi internet points?
>>107913416Most mastodon posts are disinterested/with low engagement. Even if Twitter/X is just a showdown of what it used to be, it's still way more used that these alternatives.
>>107913449>You think he needs more validatiom for what he said? That it deserves a greater audience and more goodboi internet points?Very jewish way of speaking. I'm onto you, rabbi.
>>107913353It's literally what it says on the tin. Dynamic range is the ratio between highs and lows of a signal.If you still don't know what that means, in the context of visuals it means lighter lights, darker darks, and a lot more colors at both ends of the spectrum.It's also a complete and total meme.
>>107913196Sunk cost. There are people who have spent half their careers working on this. Using the working "legacy" X11 has become "Not Invented Here" for Big Linux.
>>107913196How can they kill X11? Are they deleting the code X11bros are writing or something?Huh, X11bros don't write code? Well, I guess they don't want X11 that badly after all
>>107913196Because nobody wants to support that crufty ass protocol.The real question is why the fuck would I give a fuck about Wayland when it's objectively worse than Arcan in every way imaginable, both measurable and immeasurable.
>>107913516Use case for Arcan when X11 exists?
>>107913409It has its use cases, but outside of those very specific usecases (mostly professional visual designers who use industrial printers), it's really just marketing hype and consumerist "moreism".Doesn't matter that support for HDR is universally horrendous. It's like an 8k monitor. Bigger numbers = gotta have it.
>>107913311>they think this as of a resources game, for them to succeed they need to kill everyone elsethe solution to the poettering revolution in open source is proprietary software. and the solution to proprietary software is open source software. and if open source people arent careful the solution to open source software is poetteringware. academic freedom is never more than one generation from disappearing
>>107913354Lol what the fuck is X for windows
>>107913484>There are people who have spent half their careers working on thisdesktop linux has been getting worse and worse since 2005 and now there are old men who will have to go work in some other field because they tied their careers to making desktop linux worse. but since byuu killed himself i dont give a shit what happens to these corpo linux freaks
>>107913353Deepfried image.
It's troons and Xorg devs live rent free in their heads because they think they're nazis or some shit. Go figure.
How does X11/xlibre and wayland become culture war talking points?
No seriously anons, how do we fix Linux desktop? (serious answers only, no using 40 years old obsolete software is not a solution, propose new ideas)
>>107913528Having a simpler system that does all the same things and more because of powerful core abstractions. Unlike Wayland which works worse in many ways, while also purposefully leaves out useful features, and is just as complicated and crufty as the X protocol.>But why would I use this when my X11 server is working just fine?If you're a surface-level user and don't care or touch your systems internals, and you're not doing systems-level programming that involves working with your display server, IPC mechanisms, etc.then there's not much reason to be invested in these things at all, beyond keeping your old software around. Arcan has allowed you to use your X11 clients (including your WM/DE) for a long time, though.Everything Wayland "claims" to have over X11 is generally done better and simpler in Arcan.
>>107913667make cachyos just werk more than it does nowlike on some configurations of hardware and DE it will not finish installing correctlyonce this bug is worked out we have a 100% functional lunix hacker desktop
>>107913681>cachyos >some zoomer abomination build on top of arch abominationlmao
>>107913684yea but it achieves the goal of what a desktop linux is supposed to be, werking
>>107913681>make cachyos just werk more than it does nowJust install Gentoo and use the cachyOS patched Gentoo kernel
>>107913667There is literally nothing to fix. Stop using trash distros marketed to you on the basis of "just werks" and learn how to partition a hard drive and initialize a filesystem, or fuck off to Mac.
>>107913691All current display server and desktop environments are broken, whatever your zoomer abomination is using is broken shit built on top of broken shit.just werks == bloat that breaks in horrible ways whenever you do anything outside of starndard configuation (if you can customize at all)
>>107913656gayland is the worst poetteringware, the rest of the poetteringware was somewhat usable even though in imposed more costs than it was worth
people gave up on X11 years ago. nobody is trying to kill it, it committed suicide
>>107913725>All current display server and desktop environments are broken, whatever your zoomer abomination is using is broken shit built on top of broken shit.fact. by 2005 gnome, x11, alsa had become usable. thereafter they were all replaced with garbage
>>107913656Its because the people complaining are probably third worlders who have out dated garbage tech toasters and rw faggots who can't handle random trans women . Not to mention that for a million years trans have been programming in all of there open source programs. I would imagine that they also have issues with the rules that basically try to keep order by not making people up set within those open source communities so they can't offend someone because they said nigger or kike.
>>107913614It's still using Windows font rendering. Where's the fullscreen Xlibre server at?
>>107913667I think the average person should probably use an immutable distro. Other than that, I don't understand what there is to fix? Xorg just worked, and then I installed Wayland which also just worked. Browsers just work, games just work, compilation works sometimes, all package managers I've tried have just worked.
>>107913847You must have extremely low standards if you think the absolute state of graphical libraries, desktop environments and browsers are ok.
>>107913507>Are they deleting the code X11bros are writing or something?they would if they could >>107913396
>>107913870And adding to this there seems to be a real "cultural" issue that prevent the current crop of programmers from making it better.Take iced and Cosmic for example, they had the opportunity to fix it, instead they made another mess which is super bloated and a poor clone of GNOME (why would you try to clone dogshit which itself is a poor clone of appleshit and windowshit?), it's like people don't can't even recognize anymore bad design cause they internalized it.
>>107913379in English, doc
>>107913353To put it in the most retard-proof way possible, HDR allows your computer to tell the monitor not just what color to display, but also how bright to make it as well. So with HDR you can display a white piece of paper that's white but not very bright, or a white lightbulb that's still white but this time super bright as well. You cannot do this in SDR.
>>107913353Someone posts a webm online, you click on it, the rest of your monitor dims and one part of the video blasts your eyes with 1600 nits of light. Then you stand up and yell KINO because reasons.
>>107915762And I assume you have such a webm...
>>107913667Kick out the troons and leftists.
>>107913667The alternative is a 20 years old unc software made by the devs that created 40 years old software.
>>107913342this.
>>107915859You have to go back to /pol/
>>107914166screen can get darker and brighter at the same time. Is it a big deal? lol no. Is it pretty? yes.
>>107913311A lot of devs think like the Gnome guy and I personally never ever use Gnome under any circumstance, so it can be said that I do not agree with the Gnome dev
>>107913425>>muh centralized corpo platformMastodon is also a centralized platform - create a "bad" instance and the rest will block you. What is the big difference here between the rest of the website blocking you from just some janni on twitter blocking you?
>>107913667using old software can be the solution. You just wait for a replacement you like, or make one yourself.
>>107915924That is not what centralized even means, can you even understand that you can self-host and can control both client and server?>but everyone else decided to block meOk?
>>107915955well, ok, i too decided to block mastodon from my mind and so did everyone. now you gets 1 like per tweet. A "viral tweet" may get like 10 likes. If you are going to be a bitch, so can I and honestly I can even be more effective. The initla post which was made by another anon was asking why not just have forums that can be indexed and focused instead of microblogging platforms with no views, no reach and also no way for anyone outside of the LGBT movement to even see the post as noone is using Mastodon. The initial poster was correct. Mastodon may not be a centralized platform but it is a waste of time and also shows that you believe your users would use it meaning that as a director of a project, you show disrespect toward them.
>>107913342It's worse because cell phones are actually useable and useful.
wayland will never take off, give it up waynnies
Android created SurfaceFlinger and didn't use X11 either.
>>107913196because they have it out for the xlibre guy
>>107913293Application isolation is actually really annoying to program around if you want to make something that reads visible text. Same with all the different implementations of the same thing. Gotta make sure you have the correct xdg portal or else screen sharing doesn't work and xdg wlr is gimped compared to gnome and KDE. Also, you need different logic for each. That being said, I'm a Wayland enjoyer unless Phoenix manages to make X11 great again.
Gayland.
>>107913196It's trannoids forcing their latest meme, just like they did with rust. Manchild gaymers are their lapdogs and will tell you that Wayland is essential because it makes their gaymes look better or something.
>>107913196The moment PopOS used Wayland, the battle was over.
>>107913396As bsd user, the sentiment is that everyone is happy with linux nomrmalfag sub-animal mob leaving.
loonixtards wonder why no one wants to use loonix for day to day and then make threads like this with posts like "I don't use it so who cares, it's a gimmick" lmao. The loonix community is it's own worst enemy and it easily has to do with the OS attracting the most autistic manchildren possible.
i periodically install sway on my PC and try to play a video gamethe latency is unbearable, fuck this shit i'm staying on X11if i ever buy an HDR monitor i'm going to open a separate tty for movies i dont give a fuck the latency is so bad
>>107913196X11 is 1990s shit. It's old. It's outdated. It has more security holes than all of windows combined. It's time to let it go. Wayland is the future and the future is here and the future is now. Either get with it or get out of the way.
>>107917029x11 is dogshit but wayland is also dogshit after all it's developed by the same people so what do you expect
>>107917029gayland been out for 17 years and it's still is a buggy mess, xlibre chads stay winning
>>107916698>as a cuck userfify
>>107917053>xlibre sisters stay gay as hellFIFY
>>107916820>You have to care about things you don't want, and will never use because... just because, OKAY?
>>107917056>gayland user projecting
>>107913196I have an xorg/x11 chuds fatigue.
>>107917118>Xorg/x11Xorg IS x11, dumb chud
>>107913293>application isolationThis SERIOUSLY needs an option to shut it off permanently. If I'm only running software I trust, it only serves to block normal operation and interaction between programs. If I want to run something I don't trust, I'll put it in a VM for proper isolation, and not rely on this shitty half-assed isolation.The browser is the only thing that legitimately needs isolation, and it can do that by running web pages in sandboxes.
>>107913293> per-monitor fractional scalingX11 has provided that information for years, its the applications responsibility to make use of it. Having the display server do it just results in a blurry mess.Also, in regards to those other features. Waytards control Xorg, and refuse to allow new features to be implemented. They justify the existence of Wayland, by artificially limiting these features from X11. Like Nvidia tried to implement HDR support in X11 a decade ago, but the Waytards who control Xorg said no. Xorg was not allowed new features as it was meant to die.
>>107913293I just want Xterm, Firefox, and mupdf to work. My complaint with Xorg was that it was really bloated for that and somehow Wayland is worse. I don't need all your extra DPI handling bullshit. If I don't like the monitor resolution I can already adjust it myself with xrandr.
>>107917294>Xorg was not allowed new features as it was meant to die.As it should. Go back to your Slackware and reminisce about the good ole days of complaining your modem driver before dialing up to AOL, Grandpa.We live in the 21st century now.
>>107917029>X11 is 1990s shit.It's actually from the 80s. It's the oldest graphics API still widely used. Probably because they got it right the 11th time.
>>107913516Shill me arcan. This seems kind of neat.
>>107917324> We live in the 21st century nowYes, an era where software is decaying, utterly broken, hideous and barely fit for any purpose. Yes, Wayland fits perfectly with 21st century standards.
>>107917365>Xtrannies can't handle the truth Wayland is based true and real. X11 is tranny slop that's only shilled by trannies, made by trannies, and used by trannies.
>>107913379factually incorrect, retardSDR covers the exact same gambut range (rec2020)
>>107917402Hmm yeah I can see what you're saying.
>>107913667>40 years old obsolete softwareIf you don't have a better alternative it is by definition not obsolete.
>>107913196who cares, they can't take it away from me
