OpenBSD thread
>>107916188cuck license
>>107916188pufferfish wit da big ass lip
>>107916220glowie
>>107916188based>>107916220stfu glower
>>107916220Fuck off Luke
damnit, cuck license bot beat the pufferfish this time
>>107917121did you know? they're both hosted by the same guy and thus every post of his constitutes a race condition
>>107916256>>107916971>>107916975
I'm too retarded to install OpenBSD.
>>107917263me too, but somehow i got it workingfirst on a VPS (had to upload the image custom, not many places do this) or maybe first on virtualbox while I was testing thingsthen recently I got it going on desktop
>>107917263takes literally 5 minutes
what's a comfy way to update firefox's default configs to something that doesn't phone home etc
OK I was waiting for a opnbsd thread.I'm having trouble with CWM keyboard shortcuts.For some reason it seems to ignore CM-x which should close a window.Is it possible that it's just not registering?I wound up with like twenty windows trying to figure out the problem before I started killing the windows through a terminal.I'd like to explore cwm more but not being able to close stuff is a real deal breaker.fvwm seems to run alt-f4 fine which should be similar so can't be hardware.Any of you guys familar enough with the system to offer suggestions?>>>Never mind, unbound CM-x and rebound it to CM-b so it seems to work fine now. I wonder what was conflicting with CM-x unless the man page lied?
>>107917263> Accept every default settings > That means keep pressing enter and 'a' and then 'w' in the partitioning step (everything is written on screen btw) Wa la Once you login run fw_update And then read man afterboot As step 0 you should have read top to bottom (at least up to the virtualization section)openbsd.org/faqBut it's never too late to do it
fw_update
man afterboot
>>107920627>default settingsisn't the default for xenodm to be off meaning you get sent into command line only?also I had a minor problem with disk formatting since it defaulted to the cd not a drive
>>107916188What do you use yours for?server/router or as a desktop?what are the software you usually install first?
>>107921659> What do you use yours for?OpenBSD is a general purpose operating system for unix power users (read as: people who are able to read). Using it as a desktop or as a server/router still requires you to be the target stated before> what are the software you usually install first?unless you have specific use cases, the ootb experience is almost complete you have in base - c compiler- perl and awk/sed - vi, ed and mg depending if you are a vimtard or a emacsfag- sendmail - simple http server - pf firewall - ssh - graphical wm (actually more than one, cmw being the best imo) - login manager- simple (bare bone)virtualization capabilities Just install a browser, mpv and a ps/pdf viewer and call it a day
>>107922247>cwmIt's quite spartan do you install some form of taskbar to display items like a clock or battery charge?
I have mastered the art of rape and OpenBSD is the only thing keeping me at bay
>>107922247>sendmailthankfully, no; the mail server is their own implementation that is actually trivial to configurebut you missed out the proxy daemon and dns server tooI am replacing knotdns and haproxy with the openbsd counterparts on a server I am reprovisioning atm
>>107916188hello BSD sirs, where on a BSD system should an application be storing cache data? Is a subfolder in ~/.cache okay?Asking because I wrote a 4chan extension for emacs and it needs to store the thumbnails somewherehttps://github.com/eNotchy/4g
>>107917131you mean he's being a nigger?
>>107923221I can't really find a straight answer via web search or LLM's, the closest to a consensus seems to be /tmp/ if you're fine with it getting deleted every reboot, and /var/cache if it should persist. But that seems like a bit of a privacy issue, I wouldn't want anyone get trouble for being suspected of wrongthink after browsing 4chan on his university's computer and leaving thumbnails in system-wide accessible folders.
>>107923346someone took the time to make that image
>>107923494And it's cobson so it's not even a gem. Too bad.
>>107916188>no hardware support>no software support>seriously lackign security featuresthere isn't a single reason to use it when linux exists
>>107922322I just draft some simple tcl script with wm overrideredirect . 1 to remove window decorations I try to minimize the effort to get something that works, even if it far from elegant.
wm overrideredirect . 1
>>107924573So you have to install tcl?
>>107920662Xenocara is installed by default and you'll boot to log-in screen unless you didn't use the defaults during the install script.>>107921659Writing, programming, misc. shit like web browsing. It's my main OS now on my laptop because it's so comfy and just works without breaking. You can blindly run updates once a week on -current and nothing will ever break. OpenBSD's -current is more stable than any LTS Linux distro I've ever used.>>107923613Bait used to be believable.>>107923221Most ports will use a directory in ~. But you can also use mfs if you really want. I use a mfs for all of Firefox's cache to prevent it from constantly writing crap to my SSD.
>>107924704I see, a little, I'm new to the OS and there's a lot to read as I try to get my head around things. It's both interesting but frustrating and taxing as I was a somewhat surface level linux user, but I've had an interest in the BSDs on the sidelines for a while. I tried Open and Free a little a couple of years ago but felt much too intimidated to just jump in.Small victories occur when I stumble across arcane blog posts that happen to casually explain some minor detail of functionality like what the control keys are in CWM.I'm looking for a few tools and utilities I'd like to use but can't quite figure out how to properly search the package repos.like I saw someone reccommend lemonbar so I tried that but it bugged because somehow there are two lemonbars with split development profiles.
>>107924859People coming from Linux find OpenBSD frustrating because they've never used an OS with proper man pages. You should always go to the man pages first instead of searching the web for answers like you have to do on Linux. If you wanted to know how to use cwm you should have started here: https://man.openbsd.org/cwmEven better use>man cwmand don't bother having to resort to the web version of man pages at all. The man page should have everything you need. I do not use cwm personally but I've thought about trying it. But I already have a dwm config I liked so I just used that and never explored the ones that come with the base system that much.For searching packages you can use pkg_info (https://man.openbsd.org/pkg_info). Basic package management is covered by the FAQ as well (https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html). You can also grab pkglocatedb from the ports tree which maintains a database to use with pkg_locate (pkg_add pkglocatedb)
>my dads man pages could beat up your dads man pagesthis is loser talk this thread is becoming loser talk
>>107924924No I literally did use the man pages, the faq and that handbook thing. I'm trying to get a proper handle on it, the blogs were more for inspiration and forays into the rc files and what I could make the system do for me, was kinda chuffed when I managed to initially get a background to work.But I had no idea what it meant by grave or meta key for way too long.I can't exactly say I've got the complete cwm list memorised but probably about half.
>>107924924>>107924859Also if you need help that isn't covered by the man pages or don't understand something you should go to the mailing lists first. There is one just for newbies>Newbie listhttps://marc.info/?l=openbsd-newbies&r=1&w=2>Misc. list (general OpenBSD talk)https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&r=1&w=2>Ports/packageshttps://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&r=1&w=2>General tech talkhttps://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&r=1&w=2There are more. All are archived at marc.info. The IRC channel is also very helpful if you need real time support or have general questions.
>>107924704>Bait used to be believable.I wish I was wrong but I'm not>hardware supportnothing to explain, it's absolute dogshit>software supportbarely usable unless you install linux layer to run software actual people useshitty smt supportksh is shitsyscalls costs are pure insanity, even worse than macos which is known for having heavy context switchingand more>securityw^x is half-done for over two decades, theo is butthurt when people ask him to finish the damn support but he does not carepledge is supported only by openbsd software ie absolutely fucking nothing so it's worthless in practiceopenbsd is used to boost student CVs as it's easy to pown as it's outdated and full of holemost features are half-assed for the sake of "simplicity" ie unusableopenbsd exists to provide google android libc and to support openssh for the world to use, for free, literal cuck behavior, everyone is stealing from them but no one included hyperscalers don't care, fucking embarassing.use linux, just the fact taht it's gplv2 makes it better than any BSD* shitness
>>107924961I've seen them, not really familiar with them mailing lists so I hadn't delved into them yet, but will soon.I tried xfce but the panels were giving me grief and flickering like christmas lights so I just use the tools from it on the CWM menu since I quite like thunar and mousepad.
>>107925025You are wrong on so many points I'm not even going to bother to correct any of this. It's obvious you've never used the OS a day in your life.t. Enjoying full speed wifi through ifconfig on a card that isn't supported by any other OS but Windows (badly) while posting from fully pledged Firefox.
>>107925042>You are wrong on so many points I'm not even going to bother to correct any of this. It's obvious you've never used the OS a day in your life.I'm absolutely not, I've tried to use it multiple times in the past, I've seen it in the work at my job (not for long though) and it's the worse BSD by far on every metric.>t. Enjoying full speed wifi through ifconfigopenbsd is not yet capable of doing high throughtput, it's a common GSoC subject but no one is taking it for some reason, they beg in the mailing lists for people to do it regularly but you would not know as you don't know what you're talking about.>on a card that isn't supported by any other OS but Windows (badly)lmao this does not exist and "modern" openbsd wifi drivers are stolen from linux anyways>while posting from fully pledged Firefox.yeah, one of hte rare software built by them so obviously it supports it.you're doing grandma computing, nothing wrong with it you're just barely using your computer hence obviously it fucking "works".ignorance is bliss
>>107925113its truethid is an OS for routers and traffic appliances
>>107925113What posses someone to come here and lie like this? Surely there is a better use of your time.>I've seen it in the work at my jobOh I see. You're an ESL pajeet. No wonder you're so stupid.
>>107925406>What posses someone to come here and lie like this? Surely there is a better use of your time.there is no lie in my post>Oh I see. You're an ESL pajeet. No wonder you're so stupid.cope harder, if that's the only thing you have to answer to my post then it means I'm right
>>107925442>it means I'm rightNo it means retarded. You're trying to claim you know more about the OS I use everyday on a machine I use everyday. Every BSD thread an idiot like you shows up claiming that they're all trash and you should just use Linux.Someone that really disliked the OS wouldn't bother replying to the thread in the first place.
>>107925467>You're trying to claim you know more about the OS I use everyday on a machine I use everyday.absolutely, it does not fuckign matter if you use it everyday, I generate entire fucking linux-based OSes everyday and I've implemented various security features linux does not matter, I have a much better understanding of the ecosystem than you and I actively follow openbsd development.as much as I like theo vision the OS is not usable beyond web browsing and mails, like you do.>Every BSD thread an idiot like you shows up claiming that they're all trash and you should just use Linux.use freebsd, the best of the bsd world on every metric>Someone that really disliked the OS wouldn't bother replying to the thread in the first place.because retards like you keep lying about it, it's all so tiresome, we would not have to if you weren't lying about its capbilities...
>>107925522>I generate entire fucking linux-based OSes everyday
>>107916220Why is this posted regularly? Linux user for a couple years now and absolutely loving it, but was considering getting into BSD. I see this every thread about BSD and don't really understand it.
>>107925522>, I generate entire fucking linux-based OSes everyday and I've implemented various security features linux does not matter,What does that mean?
>>107925676that poster incorrectly sees the license as exploiting the software authors’ labor rather than indemnifying them from corporate bullying
>>107925676There's an llm screenshot which asks which is the most cucked license, it doesn't say BSD
>>107925676It basically means that with BSD licensed sw, unlike GPL, you can use the code, modify it and redistribute it without having to push your modifications upstream. Basically you can take BSD code and do whatever you want (including making proprietary sw) without giving anything back It does make sense in theory, but in the real world BSD actually saves the project from being taken over with funding by big corpos and promote tech monopolies
>>107925676GPL zealots hate anyone that doesn't use their license. They also "steal" code from BSD projects since if you re-license to GPL to appease them typically they refuse to re-license in return if they make changes to their fork.It's a big stupid gay divide and conquer tactic from both sides to ensure people that develop software for free are constantly in-fighting because they're split into two different camps. Trillions of hours of time have been wasted over the years simply because a sperg insists that you use his sperg license so you have to re-implement something by coding it from scratch instead of using an existing piece of code. Both sides have their idols promoting their preferred license and everything.You can dual-license which means licensing under both at the same time to avoid the issue. But GPL zealots claim this isn't good for <reasons>. Their whole argument is some large company will take the code and not give back any changes they might have made. In reality, large companies steal GPL'd code all of the time without crediting them (closed source software) or they take over GPL licensed projects by paying people to work on any code they want to use. Thus ensuring the entire project goes to shit because most FOSS developers don't really care about ethics and only want more of the almighty dollar.You shouldn't concern yourself with it. Ignore licenses and pirate everything. Treat data like speech.
>>107925701nothing, just likeyou using this retarded os
>OpenBSD2026 and it still does not have a good filesystem.
So... the seethe is revealing the NSA still hasn't managed to pozz OpenBSD.Good to know.
>>107925824>They also "steal" code from BSD projectshttps://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=117579116031296&w=2> In reality, large companies steal GPL'd code all of the timeLet's see them.
>>107927251What is a good filesystem?
