>use arch and hyprland for the longest time>be against gentoo because "there's no point in compiling, arch is lightweight and installs faster">2 years pass>arch has become full of trannies and indians>hyprland is bloat>decide to install gentoo>fuck it up a few times because it's a new distro to learn>eventually stick with a desktop profile and a minimal make.conf>build dwm from source>add apps/configs from my old install>it just works>it... just... works...
Usecase for compiling literally everything?
Been there, done that. Decided to stick with Debian.Hey, whatever works for you, anon.Godspeed, friend.
>>107932449you stopped using an OS because other people liked it, you are a massive loser who only cares what others think and you should kill yourself
i installed gentoo once and immediately stopped using it since i realized i don't give a fuck about "minimalism" or systemd or whatever
>>107932449>arch has become full of trannies and indiansfork Arch, and keep it rust free.
>>107932449Don't read the Gentoo mailing lists or look at who's running the project. You will not see one western name among them.
>>107933629i've made it a habit to just download source and compile, sure, dependencies can be a hassle to track down (if i'm not paying attention), but otherwise its ezmakemake installormkdir buildcmake ..makemake installor, just read the READMEnot that hard, just have more than 2 brains el's.
>>107935939Sam James runs the entire goddamn thing like Batman and never sleeps is online in every gentoo IRC channel 24/7/365 and is Fucking Welsh of all goddamn thingsIt's entirely an AUS/UK shitshowGo see his GitHub "thesamesam"
>>107937186I'm not convinced he's actually one person, it's physically impossible for one dude to do that much day in and day out, he has endless tolerance for newbies and stupid questions, average time between commits is something like 5 minutes 18 hours a day. it's gotta be a 3-letter agency somewhere
>>107937186>>107937400
>>107937427Oh this reminds me. I found out why the Off the Wall forum got deleted. You should read the mailing list archives they're hilarious.What happened was someone called one of the council members a slut. They got so angry that they cried to the council about it being a CoC violation until the council took a vote on deleting the forum. The forum admins and moderators weren't aware of it until the vote had already passed. All discussion happened on a hidden mailing list that no one but the 7 people on the council have access to.It leaked out so discussion was moved to a public list. All the mods and admins told them that all they had to do was send a report like any other user and the post would have been edited or deleted and the user warned. In this discussion these council members said the forums were on Gentoo's servers and the donators wouldn't agree with the forum making the project look bad. The admins said that's not true someone donated the server the forum was on specifically to host the forums (it used to be independent). Then the council said the forum would get them into legal trouble because of the content on it. The admins told them no we have common carrier status like every other website. Then the council claimed the forums were bad because people were posting hacky solutions instead of reporting bugs and since none of them used the forums they never saw bug reports. The admin showed like 25 threads from the last week where people were solving issues and telling people to report bugs.This goes on for like 100 posts. Then the council takes a vote to make the forum hidden. After that another to delete it all together.All because someone called one of them a slut.
>>107937455I found a post on the mailing list from a council member that referenced /g/ in this thread. I'll have to find it again to screenshot it but it basically said:>Gentoo has recently gotten popular with _those people_ on a certain anonymous imageboard. It has become a meme. That's where all the mean people in the forum are coming from and they're bringing their conspiracy theories with them.The Gentoo mailing lists are really something else and so are the chat logs from their council meetings. These people are fucking insane.
>>107932449i used to use gentoo. it is nice to use in some uses cases, but compiling your browser again every week is a real drag. plus my cpu fried from all the intense compiling. in the end, i decided to use debian stable. i value the stability and low risk of shit breaking.
>>107937468I found it.>We should also keep in mind that the current situation hasn't just magically appeared out of nowhere. >Gentoo has for many years (it already was when I first came in contact with it ca 15 years ago) a meme in certain forums that in the last years have been leaning more and more to the extremes of a certain side of the political spectrum. >It is easy to see where is this kind of speech coming from and how we ended up where we are. >To keep such people away we need a significant part of the community to agree and act so that they are not welcome, and this is not just us the developers, this is something where we need most of the users too!https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/4cbc0905-b0c2-e207-9929-93e85be19704@gentoo.org/Gentoo doesn't want you /g/entoomen.
>>107932449Another retard who lets other's opinions on things effect his decisions.Insecure and weak.
>>107932449interesting how the gentoo shills come out after the schizo thread exposing it
>>107937542Meet the leader of the Gnome for Gentoo package. Member of Freedesktop's X11 team. Former Google employee. Current Netflix employee. All around massive faggot autist.https://mattst88.com/blog/2008/11/23/Software_Engineering_is_not_Computer_Science/https://github.com/mattst88https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Mattst88
>>107937550I like his manifesto.https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Mattst88/Council_Manifesto>I served as a Council member for the 2020-2021 term. I am pleased that I was able to bring the issue of rampant Social Contract violations in the Off The Wall subforum to the Council's attention, leading to its necessary closure. I was reelected and served the 2021-2022 term. >I have been a member of the Community Relations team for the last four years . When I was invited to join, I did so not because I wanted to be involved in more disagreements, but because I thought that this was an area that was ripe for improvement. I believe that the difference between ComRel four years ago and today are night and day in an extremely improved way.
>>107937550His blog is great.>When I came to college two years ago, I intended to major in Computer Science. I looked forward to learning and being around people who shared my interest in computers. As I quickly found out, (1) there weren't any people here who shared my interest or even anyone who could speak the same language, and (2) the little bit of learning I would be doing in my computer science classes wasn't interesting to me at all.>By the end of my first year, after attempting to discuss my feelings (read: disappointments) about the computer science curriculum and one professor specifically with the head of the department, I realized it wasn't going to change anything. If I wanted a computer science degree, I would sit in boring classes, be treated as if I weren't competent enough to possibly know how to program, and I would have to do my assignments in Ada.Oh no not Ada!>I knew from first class sign-up day that the Computer Science faculty expected all incoming students to have no programming experience, and moreover didn't care one bit if you did have any. Normally, you find someone with common interests, in this case programming, and you will talk to them about the common interest. Here, they treated me as if I was a know-nothing outsider.Too smart for school.>I attempted to find a way out of taking this class, so I introduced myself to the head of the Computer Science department. I told him that I knew a few programming languages already (at this point, C, PHP, and x86 assembly) and asked if there was any way I could avoid taking this class but still be able to take higher level courses. >He replied that he'd give me the final exam and that if I passed, I'd get credit. "OK" I said, "that sounds great." He got a strange look on his face and paused thoughtfully for a moment. He had been trying to call a bluff that wasn't there. He quickly withdrew the offer when he realized I was serious.
>>107937569>I was forced to rearrange my entire schedule before I'd even set foot in class to accommodate this entirely useless class. In this two-hour class, we literally spent eight class periods on binary numbers. It was a thorough waste of my time, and the frustrating part was that wasn't even the slightest acknowledgment from the professor. To him, I was just another idiot who couldn't comprehend zeros and ones.>On top of that, there were no other students who felt like I did (To everyone else, this stuff was magic). The final question on the final exam which was the hardest from the entire class was an assignment to write code to add all the even numbers from 1 to 1000. I answered in x86 assembly.>x86 assemblyLMAO>Similar episodes occurred throughout the next two years. I also began to realize that the program wasn't Computer Science but rather Software Engineering. Learning to write fault tolerant, rock solid business applications in Ada, while useful, isn't interesting>I've been a Physics major for a year now, while still retaining a minor in computer science. In contrast to Computer Science, the Physics professors are helpful and responsive, treat students as intelligent creatures (even if they aren't), and are understanding if there's a course scheduling conflict, which mostly are due to, you guessed it, the Computer Science department not thinking of Physics and upper level Math students.Damn nazi CS professors.>Best of all, I recently learned that one of my Physics professors has quite an interest in DEC hardware, including Alphas. He's even nice enough to find a cabinet to house my noisy AlphaServer DS20L in the Physics lab in the Science building.
>>107937578>I answered in x86 assembly.I'd really like to know how he was graded for that. Normally I'm expected to answer in a specific language.
>>107937550https://mattst88.com/blog/2014/03/19/Laptop_choices_and_aftermath/Of course he's a huge fan of the MacBook Pro! Despite its flaws:>The worst thing about the MacBook is the insufficient cooling. Even forcing the two fans to their maximum frequencies isn't enough to prevent the CPUs from thermal throttling in less than a minute of full load. Most worrying is that my CPU's core #1 seems to run significantly hotter under load that the other cores. It's always the first, and routinely the only, core to reach 100 C, causing the whole CPU package to be throttled until it cools slightlyAmazing system to do development on while using an OS where you compile everything from source, wouldn't you agree?>the Broadcom BCM4360 wireless chip is supported by a proprietary driver (net-wireless/broadcom-sta in Gentoo)I fucking love FOSS though>the high DPI Retina display often necessitates 150~200% zoom (or lots of squinting)Still an amazing screen though.>there's no Delete key, and Home/End/Page Up/Page Down are function+arrow key.lol do Applefags really?>the power button is a regular key immediately above backspace. It's easy to press accidentally.LMAO>no built-in Ethernet. Seriously, we've reinvented how many mini and micro HDMI and DisplayPort form factors, but we can't come up with a way to rearrange eight copper wires to fit an Ethernet port into the laptop?Not sure what he was expecting.
>>107937620You just know the professor passed him to get him the fuck out of the class as quickly as possible. Imagine you're teaching CS 101 then some autistic faggot shows up demanding you change the entire curriculum and class schedule because he knows PHP and C already (sure buddy). When you're just trying to teach the concept of binary and an intro to Ada to the other 20 students that are actually paying attention.Then you give a simple assignment and the retard turns in something written in asm just to be a smug little asshole.I didn't quote it but he was crying about>wasting my parent's moneythen goes on to talk about how he switched majors halfway through and took on more classes. Classes he's apparently not using now since he decided to become a wageslave for IBM, Google and Netflix. Where he does nothing but write Codes of Conducts and go after violators while being a package janny for Gnome.The main thing he contributed to Gentoo aside from having that forum deleted because someone called his internet girlfriend a slut are:>Broke Gnome on multiple platforms because the package was lagging two minor versions behind upstream. (he did away with the patches Gentoo developers had been maintaining for years so it'd still work on non-systemd infected systems)>despite claiming to love Alpha computers he did away with the stable version. Ensuring no one can ever have stable Gentoo on the arch again>Did the same thing for two or three other architectures>Forced a change to X11 in Gentoo that broke it on all hardware from before about 2010>Stalled the Catalyst project to the point where nothing has gotten done in 7 yearsThere are some other misc. things he did but I can't be bothered to troll through his wiki page where he sucks himself off anymore.Going through the mailing list I learned most everyone on the council is an ESL. All of these guys are hostile to the users as well. They seem to hate everyone.
>>107937578>I answered in x86 assembly
If you want to see just how retarded the council is check out the logs from their IRC channel when they take votes. This is the one from when they first tried to vote to delete the OTW forum.https://projects.gentoo.org/council/meeting-logs/20190210.txtIf you bother reading through it you'll notice quickly that the only person that knows wtf he's doing is NeddySeagoon. A name I've seen many times over the last two decades. Since he's actually helpful and maintains a lot of helpful guides on both the forum and wiki. He posts all the time and he's always helping newbies out. He's the guy that's been around since 2003 and can tell you right off the top of his head why something in Gentoo is the way it is.He tries to warn them several times that they're being a bunch of power hungry retards. Of course no one will listen. He doesn't get to vote because he's not on the council.I wasn't aware of just how bad the council had become. I knew it was bad but they've really become tyrants since about 2014. They have changed the rules so they can stay on the council forever basically. There used to be term limits and strict rules on how voting was done. Now they can just vote themselves in over and over again. There is a group of about 10 people that have seized total control of the project by subverting the voting process around the council.The council has the final say in everything. They discuss everything on a private mailing list and IRC channel. They use the CoC to ban people they don't like for minor infractions (or no infractions at all). But the CoC doesn't apply to them and they regularly violate it everyday.It's very apparent that most of them can't program or even make simple ebuilds. They do not use the forum. The do not use the public IRC channels. They hate the users. They hate most of the repo jannys too.
