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>>107949948
How else are you going to play /vr/?

>>107949958
Emulators, Going out to by an old NES, which is more than 40 years old is kind of dumb

>>107949972
CRTs are retro tech too though
I emulate on a CRT, best of both worlds

>>107949948
if it gives you pleasure, yes.
if you are buying it to sell at a profit, go suck a fuck

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>>107950018
I flip stuff for huge profits constantly.

>>107950045
when the revolution comes scalpers will be first up against the wall

>>107949948
If you have to ask then no

>no replacement parts
>slowly shrinking "community" that supports it
>you literally only wanted one to feel unique
>it doesn't materially improve your life
many such cases

>>107950109
>>no replacement parts
It's insane how many replacement parts we have for non off the shelf hardware / proprietary shit.

>>107949948

> Feel like messing around with my old XP machine for a bit
> Press the power button - dead.
> What was supposed to be a quick bit of fun turns into a multi-day capacitor replacement sidequest
> Now it works again, but i don't want to play stuff on it. The moment has passed.

As a Retro Tech Haver i'd say no - not really worth it, unless you're in it for the "maintaining old hardware" part.

Hardware degrades and ages and becomes cumbersome to use and maintain over time, what you're really interested is the software that it runs, which can be had running on modern hardware with modern luxuries.
It's one thing to dig out your childhood N64, it's entirely another buy scalped hardware in a misguided attempt to live a "minimalist" lifestyle that revolves around buying 40 year old electronics.

>>107949948
Yes. CRTs, keyboards, old iPod shuffle. All pretty much perfect problem solvers. There are modern solutions to do much of the same thing but I'm not convinced they are qualitatively superior at all.

>>107950175
>> What was supposed to be a quick bit of fun turns into a multi-day capacitor replacement sidequest
Omph this hit me hard. I've gone down that exact same adventure for me to only not give a shit after it's all working.

>>107950209
> Retro iPod
I'm surprised zoomers have taken to these yet. In Texas they banned smartphones, you'd think they'd be smart enough to go retro but instead they seem to just not use phones anymore.
If I was a zoomer I would buy an old palm pilot

>>107950109
Every week you get people posting fabricating their replacements for parts of old things with 3D printers, mate.

>>107950235
how do you fabricate your way out of leaking plasticizers, crumbling rubber parts and exploding capacitors?

>>107949948
I've got an old tape/radio alarm clock from the 80s that works great. My brain has figured out how to turn off my phone alarms without waking up somehow. I suppose you could get a modern alarm clock but idk how many of those let you put music of your choice on it. Forgetting to rewind the tape means it just won't go off lol but it's worth it, if nothing else then for the vibes. I use it to listen to the radio when I cook too.

>>107949948
its only really worth it if you are also good enough to repair it

Repairing old tech has never been easier tho, so maybe. Fixing the circut board of something made 50 years ago is childs play if you work on modern-day microcontrollers too. So don't limit yourself to just old tech.

>>107949948
I have a minidisc player like the one in the photo. The sound is rich and natural. I save a lot of my music to minidiscs cause it's a different kind of feeling listening to music without the internet tainting the connection or poor Bluetooth codecs disappointing me. Also I own the music myself In a way that it will never deteriorate.

>>107949948
no. I refurbished my gameboy and gameboy advance and those bricks are simply inferior to modern electronics

>>107950250
You replace them.

>>107950250

You can just buy new capacitors, as for rubber parts you can print them out of flexible resin if you know how to model them. I've designed bespoke gears for old VCRs in blender to make them work again. You just need someone who gives enough of a shit to put in the time.

>>107950220

What was more ironic was that this happened twice because the first time around one of the original capacitors checked out good (it wasnt near the CPU and the board powered up and ran normally) so i left it alone...

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>>107950367
>""refurbished""

>>107949948
Depends on the tech. If you're looking strictly in practical terms (and not as a hobby / for fun) some things are very much worth it. For example if you've got a good stereo amplifier from decades ago then that thing can still be an excellent amplifier to this day and can still be used. Same goes for speakers for example. CRT TVs are still the best way to view old games from their time period, even if the game is emulated. Some old tech is still good or has legit use cases.

>>107950063
Based

>>107949948
Depends. If the right ones are used sparingly as accent pieces, it can actually make for tasteful decoration. I would never have a collection of the stuff, though, or present it as such.

>>107950018
>>107950063
>it should end up in a landfill instead

>>107950535
old tech should only be used as a personality accessory because I said so

Listening to music should be about the music, not the homosexual obsession over devices.

>>107950063
I'll sell you the bullets. At a 10X markup of course.

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>>107950018
>>107950063
i didn't scalp anything, and i definitely have no idea where the silver i bought with that money is anymore

Are those mister things any good? Is there any point in using that over just running an emulator on your PC?

>>107951951
think of it as a proprietary emulator project implemented on FPGA silicon, their exclusivity is their whole business model, they're competing products, not comparable.

>>107950174
We have all parts except the ones that most need because those are already gone

>>107951951
>less hassle than setting up an emulation pc
>uses less power than an equivalent pc
>most controllers just work™
>vast majority of stuff is cycle accurate (or pretty damn close)
>works great on a CRT and digital display at the same time

just grab a qmtech one off aliexpress, cheapest way into the ecosystem with a design that isn't completely retarded

>>107949972
Good thing the Chinks still make new NES consoles by the millions. Not emulation either, real hardware clones.

>>107951531
Is this supposed to be a self-own? Do you think a giant shelf of plastic garbage isn't a personality accessory? Worse than that, it's one that makes your home look like shit and it screams "I'm a middle class loser with no taste, look how I made my house look like shit"

>>107950204
What if my interest is in the hardware though?

>>107950228
When school ban "phones" that generally means electronic devices of any kind. So no MP3 players, tablets, laptops, or Gameboys either.

>>107949948
>minidisc
i've owned three netmd recorders. first one's record head was DOA, second and third ones crapped out after six months. i really do love the format but these things are practically falling apart. i even imported two mdlp car stereos (one was DOA, other one was fine apart from needing a radio frequency shifter bcoz japan but is in my old car that got scrapped)

>>107952133
Who collects shit to show off? All the stuff on my shelf I got because I enjoy using it.

>>107952157
generally, you have to learn how to repair or be willing to pay someone who does know to repair this kind of stuff to use it. Its like driving a classic car.

>>107949948
If you have nostolgia for it sure.

>>107949948
holy sovl

>>107952213
they're absolute nightmares to fix, it's all tiny flat ribbon cables and tiny screws and all the other shit that tends to fail in 20+ year old Sony tech

>>107950228
They already hit retro critical mass years ago. They’ve been getting more and more popular. Nowadays they’re pretty expensive on places like eBay, more so than ever.

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>grew up during the time when ipods were big but never owned one
>found a 5th gen at work that was destined for the trash
>got excited, overspent on a replacement shell, sd adapter and other parts

>no bluetooth
>no internal speaker (even if it sucks it's nice to have)
>needs adapters for basic features
>requires itunes (and rockbox kinda sucks)

slowpoke.jpg: These things are old.
I hate when people say "just use your phone" but outside of nostalgia I cannot find a reason to use it over my phone.

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>>107949948
>can run emulators
>can run PS1 games through Sony's own emulation software
>plays PSP games
>can still buy aftermarket batteries and SD card adapters
Perfect for my uses.

>>107950250
Easily replaceable. A lot of capacitors also aren't specific to just one single device, so they remain in production almost indefinitely because of other old tech that uses it. Same with things like rubber parts, things like rubber belts are also available everywhere.

>>107952712
I had one about 10-12 years ago as I had a shitbox car that only had an AUX input on the aftermarket CD player, so an iPod Classic with playlists was ideal. I bought it in the first palce for about $50 and when the HDD died eventually I sold it off for about $50.

I have another player for things like playing FLAC offline from my own CD rips but my every day listening is just streaming from my phone. There are a lot better media players out there over the iPod Classic now that work with my things, don't have a propitiatory connector and aren't limited to 160GB.

>>107950250
>capacitors
those are still made anon. same with vacuum tubes and transistors.

>>107949948
>Retro Tech
Jesus
Yes, the digital era was a mistake

>>107949991
Is there any emulation box that outputs proper 240p? The signal old game consoles output was significantly different from the 480i/525 line format normally used in analog TV. 480i has a half line every other 60 Hz refresh to push the beam down half an increment so it can draw the odd-numbered lines. 240p doesn't have this.

Depends on the tech, I would pick up a CD or DVD player all day over a VCR or cassette player. Certain things just make more sense in the long run as well like a good set of headphones, watch, flashlights and generally single purpose items that are either tough or easily fixable so you avoid disposable trash

>>107953508
Agreed. It's why DVD has also stuck around against all odds, since the physical size is comfortable enough and is identical to blu ray and CD.

>>107949948
based retro tech (when not overpriced)
>CRT's
>vinyl lp
>old cars
>old keyboards that age well and can be daily driven(F's, M's)

Cringe old tech (mostly because overpriced)
>old game cartridges
>old consoles
>old computers/laptops
>keyboards that age bad with age/condition/use (alps shit)
>and pretty much any old tech that just become toys to fiddle around because they cannot be daily driven because of wear or has no place in current world

>>107953522
>Cringe old tech (mostly because overpriced)
I was ready to argue until I saw the parenthesis kek. Fully agree.

I bought a GameBoy Color and a shitload of games from a local game store years since they were being practically thrown away. A few years later and suddenly people are asking $100 and more for them on eBay or in shitty game shops. They made more of those fucking things than every revision of the PS3 combined and yet they cost more than a used PS3 now.

Something like a GameBoy is worth getting for $20 or something but it's fucking retarded to pay anything more than that. I'd love to have a PSP Vita but those are absolute rip offs now and I'm not willing to pay that price.

I think it's pretty much a cost thing. A lot of what is now "retro" technology is still good. But if you don't already have it, why pay the nostalgia tax?

>>107953375
framemeister. but it's not cheap.

>>107950018
chad response

>>107953722
>But if you don't already have it, why pay the nostalgia tax?
exactly this. some of us older farts were always loving these old systems and collected this stuff up when people were literally giving it away or dumping it on the street for rubbish pickup.

>>107953964
>some of us older farts were always loving these old systems and collected this stuff up when people were literally giving it away or dumping it on the street for rubbish pickup.
Kek yeah that's I did. I picked up ex-rental games from Blockbuster since they were just throwing that shit out whenever a new generation came in.

There's still a lot of games that I didn't get but I'm happy enough with the re-releases or PC versions (which are better in most cases anyway) and that kind of thing. The price being asked for a lot of original copies is utter bullshit and is just there because people really liked the games. I've seen games like The Simpsons Hit & Run going for the same as brand new PS5 games, it's ludicrous considering just how many copies of that game are out there.

>>107954057
>The price being asked for a lot of original copies is utter bullshit
most of these games i've played at some point so i have little interest in collecting them like pokemon. i did end up with all of my favourite megadrive games since that's the system which had impacted me the most. the rest i don't care. friends had them, pirated etc. my urge to buy trash is nonexistent. there's a handful of titles that i like on any system. getting everything and paying retard prices for them at this point in history is retarded. doing this 15 years ago before prices went apeshit was best. you could get anything you wanted at a cheap price.

>>107954126
Yeah pretty much. I bought all the ones I really loved and did it at the time; while everything else that was a little interesting or had some nostalgia attached, I will watch a video on YouTube to remind myself of how it was.

These days? Not so much. Stupid prices because millennials grew up and wanted their childhood back.

I'm very glad I bought my 20" PVM for 50 bucks back before the prices went to the moon. Consoles I wasted some money on, and then wound up barely using because MiSTer covers almost all of them and is less hassle.

MP3 players used to be a lot better, but I don't really consider my 12 year old Network Walkman "retro" yet. These days they have bigger, heavier batteries, and worse battery life because they're running android slop.

>>107954146
i find it interesting and weird how something that's always been in my life at some point is a subject to people's curiosity or yearning for nostalgia, maybe for a time they were never born in. when you're around it every day for years i just don't see what they see. i can see it in various things involving older generations, especially cars, but never thought i'd ever see computers falling into this category of collecting.

>>107954197
I think the high prices are most just nostalgia people selling to other nostalgia people, not some younger gen discovering the games and wanting them. I'm sure some young people like certain older games and those are most likely the ones that fetch the highest prices, as they have the most appeal that doesn't also require the nostalgia factor (like Silent Hill and Resident Evil).

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If old tech offers something specific that you like but is no longer available anymore, then I guess that means you use "retro".

Take the original game boy for example. Those 160x144 dot matrix 4-shade LCDs are a lost technology. The Chinese have attempted to replicate it but failed.

If you like this display in particular, you are pretty much stuck with the original product.

>you are not allowed to like things
Self-illuminated screens are the devil, anon. Didn't you know?

Dot matrix displays can look quite amazing in natural light. Which you can experience while touching grass.

>>107954257
you know gameboy screen technology isn't unique to them, right? it's just a passive-matrix, transflective LCD. basically a digital watch screen just in a dot-matrix pattern rather than shaped segments

>>107954269
Correct, however no manufacturer seems to be able to produce the same specs to make replacements. The Chinese made one but the added latency and ghosting was severe.

>>107954287
the only replacements i've seen just use off-the-shelf more modern lcd's like colour active-matrix backlit ones with a controller to convert between the gb and the lcd, that is, not even attempting to make an equivalent lcd

>>107954217
Young people usually just play the PSN/Nintendo Eshop port or emulate, at least from what I've seen.

>>107954356
Nintendo has a special demographic, they'll eat up anything. PSN is a little different and they don't seem to offer as much beyond the turbo popular stuff (or at least not anymore, they shunk the library a bit).

>>107954362
Piracy is also popular among young people. Every time I see some zoomer talking about retro consoles, they always bring up flash carts, softmods, or jailbreaks.

>>107954317
The most popular method for screen replacement of old game boys is an IPS display from China. This is unrelated to other attempts to make replacement dot matrix LCDs for this application by the Chinese, whose engineers admitted "will never be on the level of the Japanese". This pretty much says to me we will never have this tech ever again.

>>107954383
I'd be surprised if any really played old games. I love the PSP for example but I only had the GTA games and Gran Turismo, so I have no nostalgia factor for other games on the console and the ones I've tried feel pretty boring and aged, which I imagine is how zoomers probably view them without nostalgia.

If I had to guess, they probably emulate the true creme de le creme like Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Resident Evil with some racing games, but none of the most casual or not as mega popular stuff.

>>107954269
It's a technology that actually no longer exists, because nobody is making them. Far more people are making backlit LCDs, which are more popular and now far cheaper. You would be very hard pressed to find larger passive LCDs these days, almost everything you used to find one in is now backlit.

Something similar is the color screen. Nintendo themselves couldn't find a decent screen for the GBA, the GBC was miles better.

>>107953964
>framemeister
This doesn't emulate old consoles in a way that can be displayed on a CRT. It takes output from a real console and shows it on a modern display.

>>107951995
There's literally new parts coming out daily for old shit.
Be it 3D printable or FPGA based replacements, etc.

>>107950109
My VCR and my grandfather's old camcorder have both come in super handy. I've been ripping old home videos for some close relatives who were missing their dead dad. I've got TVs old enough to take AV cables for when I want to play my 64 and Mario 64 is the first 3D platformer I got my daughter playing because a single stick for movement is easier on a 2 year old than trying to keep track of twin sticks. She loves Superman so we've been playing the Superman returns 360 game lately

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>>107953375
You can use a modern PC. Even modern cards support progressive output like 15kHz 240p / 60Hz via DP or HDMI to VGA adapters.
If you can't be assed to DIY a cable either you can get VGA2SCART or the MiSTer VGA cable, just cheap passive cables without active conversion.

>>107949948
The device on your picture is hipster tier. Sure it'd have been something back then for people in the know, but anything that plays back flac today (so long as it doesn't require internet access) mogs that shit silly. For portables specifically I went straight from cassette to mp3 and now flac. Portable CD players were a meme.

>>107949948
For hardware without a sufficient emulator alternative (or specific software that performs insufficiently when emulated), sure. So, some kinds of old computers, consoles, and arcade cabinets are good examples. Modern HIDs are broadly all superior to dated tech without being all that expensive at the entry level, but there's also something to be said for the physical comfort of specific kinds of dated keyboards (preference).

I get why Nintendo shit is so expensive but what the fuck happened to the used computer market? People selling prebuilt Compaq Window 95 junk for hundreds of dollars.

>>107955093
It became "nostalgic". It's just supply and demand, there aren't that many people who still have an old beige rig lying around, and there are a lot of retarded millennials who want one.

>>107950063
arbitrage isn't scalping and improves market efficiency

>>107955117
why does owning an old system make me retarded?

>>107950250
Capacitors are trivial to replace, you shouldn't even be using /g/ if you can't manage that

>>107955142
I didn't say that, I said wanting one makes you retarded. There are beige boxes from the 80s where emulation isn't that good, but basically everything from the DOS era can be ran on modern computers without any significant issue.

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>>107954634
someone could make it if they wanted to, as such displays for other purposes are still being made, is my point. like there are services out there for making custom segmented lcd panels, all you'd need to add to that is an asic or microcontroller that does what the gameboy screen controller does (my guess is it just does PWM to handle the different shades, and if not, that'd do the job)

>>107955172
>but basically everything from the DOS era can be ran on modern computers without any significant issue.
It can and most people should probably just stick to DOSBOX or fan patches if they just want to run a couple of old games but I like using and maintaining the hardware. Not everything you do in life needs to be hyper optimal sometimes you can just do stuff for fun.

>>107949948
>Is Retro Tech ever worth it?
yes I mainly use
8 bit computers including cassettes
windows xp
windows 7
ps1
ps2
xbox 360

have win 10 and suse machines and FPGA and rasberry pi as well

I find post gen 7 consoles, software as a service, cloud shit and must be connected drm to be cancer

physical media and offline or be a slave

most old offlined machines are easy to maintain and just work, no updates, no security hassle, no spyware, no updates, no coeection, activation, logon etc

It's generally great value too although I hoarded when stuff was basically free or very cheap just before covid you could pick up old PCs, 360s, PS2s, cassette players, 8 bits, PS1s and PS2 and phyical media games and software for it all for near nothing,

>>107949972
No one gives a shit about nintendo faggotry that crap was always for smoothbrains and normies in the US not people into tech or games

>>107955321
Not really but an XP box can dosbox well enough it does not matter much because people still bothered to make it so in that era. Older filesystems are too limited in size really.

An XP Box onn a dual core with 4GB and a 2TB HDD and a 750Ti can do anything you want it to.

PSPs are cool. So are the old DSs.

It just works.

>>107950250
>how do you fabricate your way out of leaking plasticizers, crumbling rubber parts and exploding capacitors?
The only thing I;ve ever had to replace was keyboard emebranes on stuff thst's nearly 50 years old and the parts were 10 bucks and the reapair was take out the old one put in the new one. Some stuff was made with cheap components but most was not. CMOS batteries that are 20 years old and have been feft power off for a decade may be dead but you can replace them in a couple of minutes for cents. Modern online stuff like PS5s and win 11 and linux machines on high wattage high heat machines are WAY more hassle with failures and outages and updates and security and feature changes and most of the applications and games on them are onlined and far shitter and less fun than the old offline stuff.

>>107955356
True, but i was responding to a post asking why not just use a modern system and a dual core xp box is pretty ancient at this point, as good as they are.

Its not just nostalgia anymore,.people re deeply unhappy with the state of the Internet and social media and think that going back to physical media and devices with no online will make them happy. It might be misguided but I think that's what's driving the price spikes right now more than just millennial nostalgiaa1 for their childhood. Its also why I don't think 7yg hen consoles will ever get as popular as 7yg and before, 360 and PS3 have too many games that require an Internet connection for updates and DLC, they're not as plug and play.

>>107955543
It's due to influencers, the average normalfag can't think for themselves to that degree.

>>107955523
Well because I have a few of them and a stack of parts and it just works. Funnily enough I'm installing stronghold from phssical media on it. I have hundreds of PC games on physical media I've never even tried on shelves I pciked up for nothing same for PS1,PS2,360,DVD and blu ray. I had XP inn a hypervisor once but all the shitting around just to access DVD with securom and then shit with sound and 3D just made it grief and inferior. The box is offline so no longon, just boots, no updates, just works. The core 2's are just abour right fro any game in the XP era without breaking them. Has a 750TI because why not and HDMI. Good use for a 2TB HDD which XP uses fine.

The of course there is redundancy, not having everything stuck in the one box on disks too large to image handily.

Like you set it all up on a new machine and get it sweet and then somme fucking update from microsoft or a repository fucks you. Offline LAN just works. Airgapped.

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>>107949948
Yes.

>>107955543
>360 and PS3
nearly all the 360 stuff is fine out of 500 or so I picked up years ago only about three server based ones don;t work

those server based games not working are the reason idgaf about server based games or online stuff...that being said I never expected this stiff to become 'collectable' I bought it when it was 50 cents a title in bulk, 360 slims and elites used be 20-30 bucks, same for the ps2s and its games, same for xp machines and their games stuff taps out about 2016 with steam keys, mandatory online for drm and minitring ea logons all that worthless you will own nothinng and subscribe crap

>>107949948
Depends on what your value as worth it.
Some retro tech still has purpose.
I found that the big three is:
-Music
-Art
-Games

If you can make useless proprietary tech junk work again it suddenly has a use. It can be pretty profitable because people throw it away and you make money out of it. Most products have a manufacturing overhead, junk has none.

>>107949972
>Emulators, going out to buy old is kind of dumb
Some emulators are great, others aren't for items without the documentation it's sometimes easier for a tech illiterate user to buy an old thing rather than finding an emulator for said thing.

>>107950018
I would say, if your scalping a market absolutely suck a fuck. But if your adding supply to an already small market and keeping prices reasonable (30% less than new items) then it's helping keep tech from being thrown away.

>>107950109
I've often found old tech is far more replaceable than new items. Cassette tapes can be spliced and the belt and motor drives are easily findable. Old HDD drives, built in keyboards, ram and even CPU's on laptops and desktops are available.

>>107950250
I've run 1970s computers that still boot after being left outdoors. I have yet to have a cap issue. However I do keep spares about and enjoy the process of replacing them. As for plasticizers, the two end states of plastic are dust or oil. For crumbling parts I usually take things carefully and for oil, lots of tissues of goo gone.

Depends what you need to do. Some mediums can survive years. Others not so long. Some mediums you can get wet, while others a bit of water will destroy them. On the comms side of things, they are turning off older networks for modern consumers but they circumvent the new modern tech networks. You can lose a phone or usb stick full of thousands of albums and films but a little harder to lose thousands of cds and dvds. If we get hit by a big enough asteroid tomorrow then its all gone, other than the VHS tapes and CDs we sent in time capsules.

Older tech is easier to repair than newer tech. Some people like the aspect of fixing their stuff rather thank throwing it away and replacing it. Replacing belts, cleaning dust and grime is something anyone can do. Replacing capacitors, tubes, soldering broken wires, etc. is slightly harder but I would hope that if you're on /g/ you know how to solder. Heat gun reflow for connectors or BGA chips is much trickier and has the potential to fuck up your device if you mess up. Most modern tech is built to be unrepairable, I admire people like Louis Rossman and others trying to teach people board repair but it sucks that even expensive gadgets nowadays are designed to be trashed after 5 years, while steroeos, radios and consoles from 30-40 years ago work fine. How much of modern day tech will be lost because of how disposable and unrepairable it is?

>>107956394
I forgot to mention the same is true of cars. Its not just the engines, but all of the electronics in new cars make them much more difficult for your average Joe to repair or replace parts. You can't really replace the car radio anymore, every car has a giant ugly tablet built into the console which controls essential functions on the car. These quickly become out of date as the car manufacturers don't give a shit about updates, leaving the customer with slow and obsolete tech that's almost impossible to replace. Tablet cars are going to age horribly.

>>107949948
no. tech only got better. old tech can be emulated. curb your nostalgia.

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>>107956473
Yeah but retro tech looks so cool. It's way more interesting than just using Spotify.

If you are running a desktop you are running retro hardware already

>>107950228
They fell for the retro meme. iPods used to cost $30 on ebay but the TikTok influencers shilled it as a y2k thing so now a 5th generation classic costs $80 and they can't figure out why Apple Music doesn't let them transfer their playlists to it

>>107956233
>it's sometimes easier for a tech illiterate user to buy an old thing rather than finding an emulator for said thing.
incorrect stuff like xp and win 7 is better on metal, most OSs are just because you can virtualise something does not mean it is better, more convenient? Lazier? Maybe. Better, no.

>>107956394
>Older tech is easier to repair than newer tech.
True. Try repairinng something like a surface or the ultra thin laptops. They are not repairable by design, older laprops and desktops are but desktops are on the way out. They will become a niche and accordinngly become very expernsive for modern parts. In reality things stopped getting tanibly much better about a decade ago. Cloud is shit as well. So are repositories, modern attack surface and updates and authentication and privacy.

TLDR modern computing and consumer tech sucks anus.

>>107949948
no it isn't. i had a minidisc player in highschool and while it was neat, only a few years later usb mp3 players made it totally irrelevant. its gathering dust in the same spot i left it 20+ years ago probably.

>>107957113
It's no meme. Enjoy your EA logon, steam logo, windows authenicator, google authenticator, 2FA, multi GB update, one drive, google docs, AWS,Office 365, Azure,online only, DRM, spyware, adware, telemetry, su repository, software as a service,youtube, spotify, netflix, amazon prime, apple TV subscibe and pay, AI malware hellscape.

Smart anons are goinng offline for most of their stuff already and if it does not work offline, it is not worth having.
>>107956636
stuff like blu ray, DVD, LTO has several advantages, it requires no power to store, is not a single point of failure and costs less to keep running than a SAN. Its ideal for large file types like video and software setups and disk images.

>>107957170
Yeah but who the fuck pays for spotify when you can have a TB of MP3s offline anyway and load even an old MP3 player or phone with as much of it as you want?

>>107957170
whay was great in consumer computing in the last decade? and now part price spikes?

Even in GPUs you had the 1080 a decade ago.

>>107957187
Where the fuck did I say offline media is a meme you stupid gorilla nigger? No one's disagreeing about offline media but keep overpaying for (BRAND™ 2007) that I picked up for $5 at a yard sale just because your favorite influencer is hyping up that specific retro tech item.

>>107954806
I haven't tried top hard to get it to output that but the software doesn't seem to like the mode. And I haven't had great luck with custom modes on DP/VGA converters in general.

>>107955093
Up through the Win98 era are good for DOS games. Past that and graphics cards started losing support for setting modes the way many DOS games did, and CPUs got harder and harder to slow down enough for speed sensitive games. Also, ISA slots disappeared, and some games only work with ISA sound cards -- many PCI cards came with SB emulation stuff but it usually sucked, and took up some conventional memory.

>>107954397
Most of the zoomer arguments I've seen for it have to do with them being cheaper and generally playing better than modern games. But keep in mind when they talk about old consoles, they generally 7th gen and earlier, so the 360 and PS3 are included in that, alongside the og Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2. Many of those games hold up very well in current year.

No, you're not allowed to have nice things!

>>107952292
It wouldn't be an issue if said tech wasn't exclusively proprietary, but you couldn't make a new minidisk player if you wanted to. Not without being both extremely rich and somehow attractive enough to convince the Sony ceo to fuck you in exchange for making their old tech open source.

>>107955707
The need t airgap stuff is really overstated. You can run even 9x machines online provided you have a decent router with a proper NAT.

>>107958078
The patents on MD have all expired by now. If you had the time, money, and skill you could clone an MD player.

>>107949948
Minidisc is a pretty shit format. I found a recorder at an estate sale this year, which is very weird for the US, and made a few CD and vinyl rips to disc. Sounds like a v0 mp3. Cute format, but low fidelity
>>107950109
I bought a replacement battery case for the minidisc on aliexpress. The chinese are great at keeping replacement parts in stock. They used a weird shipping service and the tracking info never updated, so I even got a full refund despite receiving the item

>>107958358
>The patents on MD have all expired by now
Huh, that's cool
>If you had the time, money, and skill you could clone an MD player
Yeah that eliminate like 99 percent of posters on /g/ and the one percent who could have way to much business sense to even try.

>>107949948
Yes. Sometimes older tech is objectively better, often for one or two specific applications.
Easiest example that comes to mind is the humble vinyl record.

>>107958449
>Huh, that's cool
Patents expire after 20 years, and MD is closer to 30 years old at this point.
>Yeah that eliminate like 99 percent of posters on /g/ and the one percent who could have way to much business sense to even try.
It seems like something a Chinaman might do, they love cloning devices and make up most of the retro hardware clone manufacturing base.

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>>107958504
>It seems like something a Chinaman might do
Not really. Company's like Fiio mostly use an crap off the shelf mechanism for their cassette's and cd players, since building even for an existing design would require building and tooling your own factory equipment and production lines for something that's only gonna be bought by a few nerds. You can't even get the old Manufacturing machines back since its been so long, most of them have either been retooled for a new product or melted down into scrap.

>>107958778
Cloning old stuff isn't unheard of. The Chinese have successfully cloned a lot of game consoles and peripheral hardware. Most of which was done without access to original tooling. Sure the quality of said clones is sub par, but they do exist.

>>107958961
>The Chinese have successfully cloned a lot of game consoles
Can you give me an example that isn't just a dressed up emulator?

>>107958988
Master System and Famicom are the two most famous examples. They went as far as to clone the custom proprietary 6502 used in the Famicom, and have produced it by the millions ever since. That's what most of those Bintendo Polystation and 100000 in 1 game consoles were.

3d consoles they tend to just emulate because those have a lot more specialized silicone in them. Mechanical stuff is comparatively easy to clone. Which is why the Chinks sell clones of basically every controller ever made and sell low quality replacements for every part of every console except the computer components.

The only thing that they would have to put work into cloning is the read head for the MD player, and maybe a decoder for MD's audio codec. Everything else is either something that can be performed by basically any microcontroller, or purely mechanical

>>107954801
Geez anon I have to say I think you’re doing a real disservice to your daughter introducing her to video games at fucking 2 year old.
But who am I to judge you dysgenics

>>107957910
>keep in mind when they talk about old consoles, they generally 7th gen and earlier, so the 360 and PS3 are included in that, alongside the og Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2. Many of those games hold up very well in current year.
Yeah that's true. I've jumped into a few PS2 and PS3 games I never played when they were released and I still find enjoyment despite no nostalgia. I guess N64 and PS1 or anything earlier like NES is probably inaccessible because they're really aged.

I suppose it's helped by the PS3/360 era being when great strides in graphics and gameplay hit their peak, since nothing has really changed since then.

>>107957187
>Enjoy your
>EA logon,
what’s this?
>steam logo,
cool all my games are there and not wasting space on hard drive when I’m not playing
>windows authenicator, google authenticator, 2FA,
gnu pass
>multi GB update,
haven’t seen one ever
>one drive, google docs, AWS,Office 365, Azure,
I use Google Docs sometimes because people pay me to do it but personally I use none of these
>online only,
yeah it’s online only so won’t work on your SER anyway
>DRM,
always has been
>spyware, adware,
I saw a million times more of this in the 00s than now
>telemetry,
finally a point
>su repository,
don’t even know what this is
>software as a service,
don’t use it
>youtube,
what the fuck is your problem with this lmao
>spotify, netflix, amazon prime, apple TV subscibe and pay,
nah I pirate
>AI malware hellscape
no-one forces me to touch LLMs
None of your bullshit is an argument for using SER

>>107957486
Dongles have worked for me.

>>107958295
This. It's ridiculous what memes people believe about old OSes instantly catching AIDS when a single packet touches the world wide web.

>>107959138
There are N64 and PS1 games that play well even by today's standards, there's just less of them.

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>>107959283
For some reason there's been a fearmongering campaign online about it, but the only real risk is with servers as those are exposed directly to the internet. Even when you're hosting a server running an up to date OS there can still be vulnerabilities that can be exploited if you aren't proactive with updates, which plenty of hosters aren't.

My XP install hasn't caught gigaAIDS yet anyway.

>>107959454
Can your MyPal post? I can only post with Supermium, MyPal gets endless Cloudflare.

>>107959561
nta, but I use Newmoon to post. Mypal sucked the last time I tried it.

>>107959561
It posts with a pass

>>107952763
PSP is great and I do want to get one for collection's sake eventually, but I just went with a PS Vita for the OLED/modern IPS screen depending on the model vs TFT as well as second thumbstick hacks for PSP/PS1 games that also run natively. There's even unofficial ports of Android versions of games like San Andreas on it with patches to make it closer to the PS2 original and other cool homebrew.

>>107949948
>is tech ever worth it
not anymore. it's just an overpriced hobby at this point.

>>107960652
>PSP is great and I do want to get one for collection's sake eventually
I was going to call you a zoomer but even we had PSPs, how underage are you?

>>107960665
there is gatekeeping value in this

>>107960675
I'm 28, I just grew up with the Game Boy/DS lineup and didn't look into the PSP library until a few years ago.

>>107960678
i don't know how to reply without people thinking it's just sour grapes

>>107949948
Getting good at recording on cassette with perfect bias and levels is very rewarding and is a condiment to music you like. You can digitize your recordings so you have a cassette version. You go digital-cassette-back to digital.
Have to be a geek to get into the rabbit hole but it's a lot of fun.

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>>107950209
>old iPod shuffle
ipod classic with the scroll wheel. had a 40gig stolen out of my car. only old hardware I miss. you could scroll through an entire library of music and narrow down on the right one while barely taking your eyes off the road

>>107955264
The issue seems to be in making the display responsive enough for gaming. Getting response times and ghosting down would require more engineering that is beyond most "services".

This performance threshold represents a holy grail for retro displays and if a company could do it people would pay big money (I estimate $100 for an accurate game boy replacement alone).

>>107960801
I'm guessing you never really used an only Gameboy
Those STN LCDs had lots of ghosting, some games used it to provide certain effects that are actually lost in emulation or replacement IPS screens because damn near anything has better response.

There are already replacements for the greyscale LCDs but they just aren't very popular because those screens originally where actual ASS to use and those who do want that aesthetic just outright repair the LCDs.

>>107960801
>making the display responsive enough for gamin
>>107960941
>Those STN LCDs had lots of ghosting
i always heard the original Gameboy actually used screens Sharp had in their warehouse that were rejected for calculators due to slow response times, and gave a sweetheart deal to Nintendo for the lot. Googled it, but the only thing i found confirming it is clickbait instagram videos saying the same thing...might have been where i heard it

>>107950209
>>107960767
I'm jelly, Only Ipod I have is a second gen touch 8 gig.

>>107961073
That sounds like complete bullshit. Over 100 million Gameboys were sold. Sharp isn't going to have 100 million defective screen lying around.

>>107959364
For sure, it's just a very small number. I think Zelda and Perfect Dark are easily playable today but I think people would struggle with something like Goldeneye, which is a groundbreaking game obviously but Perfect Dark is the better game.

>>107960652
Vita prices feel way too high, so I'll probably be sticking with the OG PSP. I really only play the GTA Stories games and PS1 classics, so I don't need much more. Not many PS1 games even really do much with the second stick anyway.

>>107961772
>People would struggle with Goldeneye
Seems accurate, I tried the version with mouse look and couldn't get past the first level. I got to the end of the level, but couldn't figure out how to complete the mission objectives. Is Perfect Dark more clear with what you're supposed to do than Goldeneye?

Generally I'm more of a PC gamer, I actually have played a decent amount of PC games from that era. Which is why I'm so acutely aware of how expensive vintage PC hardware has gotten.

>>107961073
>>107961510
If I recall correctly, the Sharp screen thing was that the screens were indeed commissioned by Nintendo and weren't just rejects. They actually used similar screens in the Game & Watch years prior. The problem is that they were still low-quality screens at the end of the day, and the Game Boy was actually almost cancelled because R&D overlooked that the Game Boy was large enough that it would need to be held at an angle compared to the smaller Game & Watch. These poor displays were made even worse as you could hardly see them when viewing at an angle. The Game Boy design was pretty far along at this point, so they couldn't alter the form factor much, leading to it getting canned for a bit. Eventually some people at Sharp revealed they had a slightly less shitty display that would work, at the cost of the contrast being dodgy, which lead to the contrast wheel on the DMG to work around it.

>>107961883
Yeah Perfect Dark is a lot more like a modern game. The objectives are far more interesting, level design is more interesting and upping the difficulty can completely change a level and have you go to areas that don't appear on other difficulties. Goldeneye is good if you have the nostalgia for it, but I think Perfect Dark is a game pretty much anyone can pick up and enjoy without having nostalgia as it is really fun to play.

It also has a bit of a Deus Ex feel if you're into that kind of thing. Very cyberpunk looking levels and the plot is about aliens and conspiracies.

>>107961910
I tried to pick up Goldeneye mainly because I liked James Bond and thought the graphics were cool.

Anyways, I really like Deus Ex, so I'll give it a shot at some point.

>>107962004
Definitely give it a shot. You can't pick dialogue or do objectives in extremely different ways like Deus Ex though, it's still a pretty linear game like other games of its time and the limitations of being on N64 but it's really fun regardless.

>>107949948
It sparks joy. People underestimate just how nice it is to be surrounded by beautiful things. That doesn't necessarily mean expensive things. A nice wooden bowl will always look and feel nicer than some generic plastic bowl. But nicely designed retro gadgets can also improve the aesthetics of your personal environment, if they're in your price range and you don't overdo it to a pathological degree.

tldr nice things are nice

>>107951985
MiSTer is open-source. Given that you mixed that up with Analogue, you should probably shut the fuck up.

>>107951951
Getting lower input latency is way easier on FPGA.

>>107955825
Why can't I get something that looks like this, but is literally just an mp3 player on the inside? I looked at the current generation of chink mp3 player offerings, and they're okay-ish but nothing that really looks great.

I restored, chipped, and started programming for a PS1 I had since I was a kid. It's the most enjoyable programming experience I had in a while. Running your own code on actual hardware just feels different.

>>107959454
Are you truly "naked"? No router/firewall at all? No filtering on the ISP side? Are you monitoring the packets coming in? I think you might underestimate just how much noise is actually tapping you.

>>107962105
NTA but it's flat out not possible to run it naked without the router, it wouldn't even survive 5 minutes. A few YouTubers have done it to see what happens and decades old worms and viruses find it and fuck it up in minutes. It's pretty interesting how such old viruses are floating around on an endless search to destroy old software.

>>107962089
What's the game you're working on?

>>107960941
Yes, I understand the original gameboy screens had ghosting and was part of the experience. What I am pointing out however is that recent attempts to replicate this have resulted in much worse ghosting than this, and failed to reach performance of even a 1989 LCD. The only thing that is improved now easily is contrast.

I just don't think they make them this good anymore.

>>107962105
Of course he's not. This conversation is about how its safe to run old OSes on the internet with a router.

>>107961891
>almost cancelled
Actually the reason why the game boy was originally cancelled is because the prototype screen was dogshit. After it was cancelled one of the engineers worked with Sharp in secret to demo a much better screen. A few months later the game boy was back.

The DMG screen is actually good and the pocket even better.

>>107960801
>making the display responsive enough for gaming
the original/pocket gb display is hardly responsive enough for gaming, i know, i owned one as a kid and spent many an hour on pokémon and the like
https://youtu.be/QyvBNhzshKQ

>>107951951
My friend is a video game collector and he loves them. They really can play it all, only thing that irks me is the price

>>107949958
Just get a retroid

>>107964256
I have a bunch I collected when they were cheap. I want to get rid of them but I'm too lazy to make selling them on ebay a full time job for a month.

>keypad phone
>handheld
>mp3
yep it's retro time

>>107964256
There's a middle ground, collect just consoles and then get flashcarts and ODEs. Still expensive, but if you want to play some of the better games on the consoles, at least you are avoiding over paying for the games themselves.

>>107965295
>unihertz titan 2
>retroid pocket 6
>surfans f20
Endgame

>>107965327
Literally just use an emulator. As somebody with 3 nes, 1 nes toploader, 2 sega genesis + cd + 32x, intellivision, psone and psx, dreamcast, gamecube, xbox, gb + 2xgbc + sp + ds + dsi, psp, snes mini, n64, 3d0, and games. This shit is a burden and a waste of fucking space and I'm too lazy to sell all of it. Just buy a retroid pocket or a steam deck and emulate everything. I don't even bother using them I just emulate and all of it is in a storage unit.

>>107965381
I have more than you (everything you have plus Jaguar, MSX2, Wonderswan Crystal, Neo Geo CD, Neo Geo Pocket Color, Gameboy Micro and PC Engine) and I find it the exact opposite. I love it.

>>107949972
>Going out to by
What century are you living in?

>>107952712
>no bluetooth
Buy a Bluetooth adapter or mod a module into it.
>no internal speaker (even if it sucks it's nice to have)
Use case for internal speaker?
>needs adapters for basic features
Such as? You only need a 30-pin cable.
>requires itunes (and rockbox kinda sucks)
Plenty of replacement software out there if you can't be arsed to drag and drop through Rockbox

>>107952712
>>107967119
New bigger battery, Bluetooth mod, microSD mod, USB-C mod
it's still a great PMP

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>>107967138
oh and don't forget to install

>>107967138
Half of those aren't even necessary. New battery + more storage is all you need.

>>107967174
and the other half are great QoL enhancements
The original connector is ass and you need a dedicated cable and who doesn't use wireless headphones outside of autists?

>read thread
>fully 2/3rds are anti-retro "consensus cracking" obvious LLM/ jeetposts

>>107963641
See >>107962504

>>107967877
The jeet mind cannot comprehend repairing something beyond half-assed retarded jugaad.

>>107968401
I honestly think retro vidya and CRT fandom have been shots across the bow of retailers and they are desperate to get people away from appreciating old things which generate zero revenue or mindshare for new products. The bots/jeets in these threads always have the same takes, calling everything old e-waste, accusing people of being poor while at the same time, complaining about how a good CRT is now more than a top of the line gaymen monitor, etc.

They have no sense of how to conceal their motivations. It's a common problem with LLM/thirdie shills across the Internet these days.

>>107966204
It's tacky and takes up space for something you can already do with a computer for free.

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>>107962504
Take a look an RLCD.

https://github.com/bytendomods/RLCD-DMG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW8ZH-n_5Sw&t=22m15s:

>>107967119
>Buy a Bluetooth adapter
I literally said the use of adapters was an inconvenience I had with it.
>or mod a module into it.
Easier said than done. Tiny solder points and trying to cram it all in an ipod is something I'm not willing to do.
At first I thought I could simply buy a plug and play bluetooth mod, but the only ones that exist are expensive hand soldered ones that are usually out of stock.
>Use case for internal speaker?
Setting it on a table and listening to music without needing headphones, like I do regularly with my phone.
>Such as? You only need a 30-pin cable.
A bluetooth adapter and speakers, which are built into phones.
>Plenty of replacement software out there if you can't be arsed to drag and drop through Rockbox
Such as? I just don't like rockbox's interface. Drag and drop is all it has going for it.

Glad I kept my Dreamcast and Genesis all these years. I might swap the shells to something more fun but I am unsure where to find them.

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>>107969703
One thing I don't think people really get when it comes to replacement screens is the fill factor. Modern replacements make everything look like pixellated shit because the fill factor is much better, so the pixels are too clear.

This is the GBC so ignore the rainbow banding and color, but just look at the difference in text clarity.

>>107958961
The quality of everything nowadays is extremely low that's the problem.

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I've been tempted over the years to buy another Rio Cali Sport, my first MP3 player. I know it's just nostalgia though. I just want to be in that time again, learning about tech all over again, enjoying tech and being excited to see where it's going to go. Everything seemed so positive and I was just getting aboard the train.
I wonder if I would be happier today had I never cared about computers and tech at all. Had my main hobbies had been sports, would I be better off? Could I have been a better version of me?

>>107970946
I used to be excited for fucking advertisement magazines from a phone shop when tech was cool. Weird new phones with features like fold out screens, swiveling cameras, full qwerty keyboards. And then the iPhone came out and all that tech turned into "what if we make a touchscreen but in slightly different dimensions this time".

At the turn of the millennium everything was cool, and then design and innovation fell off a fucking cliff. I can't even remember the last gadget that was vaguely appealing, the goal these days seems to be "make it cheaper, make it worse".

>>107949948
It looks cooler.
Oh, you want to smear your dick skinners all over gorilla glass like a dental dam directing dullard instead of twisting and flicking the knobs and buttons of peak japanese tech? What are you, gay?

>>107952121
>Good thing the Chinks still make new NES consoles by the millions. Not emulation either, real hardware clones.
Real hardware clones that run at the wrong fucking frequencies and don't perfectly emulate all the features of the chips.

>>107958485
>vinyl record
>objectively better
wrong. Music storage and playback is a solved problem ever since the CDs were released. It's mathematically perfect reconstruction of music, unless you're literally a whale or a bat who can actually hear ultrasonic shit.

>>107971870
Vinyl has the advantage of better mastering and dynamic range than CDs in a lot of cases, even for modern releases. Companies can't just put their brickwalled trash onto a vinyl record and actually have to master it properly, so you could potentially get a better master than you would from the CD.

>>107971870
even if you could hear ultrasonics, your shitty earbuds cant produce those frequencies anyway

>>107971889
In technical specs CD is just superior in every way compared to vinyl. The mastering argument is irrelevant, I could also hand pick examples of poorly mastered vinyl records and use them as an argument on why a phonograph cylinder is superior format.

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>>107973088
>In technical specs CD is just superior in every way compared to vinyl
Except one. Style

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>>107970892
Man, you're right. And it looks even less like the GOAT.

I believe that retro tech is absolutely worth it so long as you don't buy into the hype and aren't paying huge amounts of money, and just enjoying and using whatever hardware time and tides bring your way. Don't forget that retro tech is by definition obsolete, and thus worthless to the average person. Go dumpster-diving in catalog of obsolete tech and have fun.
To paraphrase Regular Car Reviews' Honda Today video:
"In the age of tariffs, subscriptions.... repair costs.... erosion of [personal computing]... Where does an enthusiast turn for fun? Well, we look for fun where no-one else has looked. We will make experiences out of other people's garbage. We will create experiences out of other countries' disposable machines, and assemble communities from rejects. We will redefine what [enjoyable retro tech] is, and we will find joy in the dusty corners of this world."

>>107978026
>I believe that retro tech is absolutely worth it so long as you don't buy into the hype and aren't paying huge amounts of money
Pretty much. I never had a GameBoy but bought a used one a while ago for a few dollars and got a game or two. It's not worth what people are asking now but it's good for cheap entertainment.

>>107975253
It has a specific sound and the issue is people don't understand that. They also are fucking retards and use bluetooth defeating the purpose of vinyl. Whats the point if you are going to use fucking bluetooth. Hate these people.

>>107950045
Based kike.

64ce53d25c8fc56bc9591638d4308382

>>107978072
The audio signature, crackles and IGD will transfer right over in Bluetooth. It's transparent enough
You aint missing anything

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>>107978072
>Whats the point if you are going to use fucking bluetooth
Mostly flexing. That and it gives lazy cunts an excuse to get vinyl without having to also get a basic bitch sound system. Which isn't even that hard btw, All you need is a Phono amp and two speakers, Hell some turntables literally have a shitty Phono amp built in so you just need the speakers

>>107978105
then it defeats the point dingus just listen to it on cd

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>>107950018
>if you are buying it to sell at a profit, go suck a fuck
I buy old hifi equipment from the local recycle center store (last chance before it's scrapped), restore it to functioning condition and sell it.
Do I make a profit? Yes.
Does it save old tech? Yes.
If that bothers you, too bad.

>>107978113
Using fucking bluetooth entirely defeats the purpose of listening to vinyl. Anyone who does this should be beaten.

>>107978164
You know damn well that's not what he meant. Fixing and selling is based, buying and then just reselling is not.

>>107978172
Hey if I find some rare speakers, amp or similar for sale cheaply I WILL buy it, shine it up and then sell it again.
It's not my fault of people are too lazy/dumb to do a quick google search of what their shit is worth.

>>107978164
I can tell you over charge for shit. Fucking kill yourself. I bet you follow ebay pricing trends instead of actually adjusting the price reasonably. Thats the biggest fucking issue here is you aren't pricing for "fixing" you are pricing based on whatever faggot on yt decides to make a video on the tech and then inflating the price. Then you over inflate the price of broken hardware too. I KNOW WHAT I GOT fuckheads.

>>107978179
Ebay is not a thing in my country so no. I sell it for what similar items cost on the general market and take into consideration what shape and condition it's in when I sell it.
But things are worth what people are willing to pay for it. It's that simple.
You want something cheap, then do what I do and find it cheap. Or restore something in need of love.

>>107978164
I do that sort of thing with old PC hardware. Get to have fun messing around for an hour "testing" it and then sell it for 75 bucks or whatever. Best one I've ever found was a Roland SCC-1
Realistically if I wasn't grabbing these cards when they show up at my source, they would just be sent to e-waste and ripped apart for 10 cents in gold scrap.

>>107978200
>I sell it for what similar items cost on the general market
the vast majority of shit on the general market now at least in the US is over priced dog shit.
>find it cheap. Or restore something in need of love.
i would if I lived near a place that recycled for cheap. Much of the US has shitloads of theses scamming faggots. I'd rather shove the tech up their fucking ass. If you lived in the US you would probably understand why. I bought a fucking ps1 game that realistically isnt worth more then like $5 and some faggot on yt makes a video about it now its more then $100+.

>>107978207
I've saved so many set of speakers from the 70's and 80's that would have ended up on the landfill if I didn't buy them. Usually not much work needed to revive them and then I have a set of speakers to enjoy until I find a buyer.

Retro xp and win 7 built PCs are going to be huge, calling it now. Golden age.

>>107978285
if XP machines make a comeback then people are gonna learn real fast about the era of shitty exploding caps
and then other people will learn how hard it is to recap a p4 system without damaging the board

>>107978477
pentium 4 wasn't a good option at the time, much less now
even intel ditched it by basing the pentium m off the pentium 3 arch which went on to become the intel core series

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>>107949948
hoarding is bad for your health.

>>107979828
sure but what does that have to do with op?

>>107978477
>how hard it is to recap a p4 system without damaging the board
idk if im an outlier, but i dont think its particularly harder than recapping lets say a fridge or washing machine.

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>>107949948
yes i use my early 90s car often, my rockboxed ipod often, use my crt often, use my old game consoles often only kinda retro thing ive bought that was a waste was the win xp machine i built but even then having a spare pc around is always a good idea lots of older stuff is just better

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>>107950228
ipods have probably been the most popular old tech thing for like 10+ years at this point
>>107950209
based i like shuffles i have a couple 4th gen ones i put new batteries in used my blue one a fair amount

>>107964256
this is coming out this year it uses a mister clone board a bit pricey but you get all the different video outputs etc built in already and a nice case https://retroremake.co/products/superstation-one way better value than a real mister

>>107966204
he doesnt own any of those consoles hes saying i have a tonne of consoles and love them, you dont buy that many consoles if you prefer emulation kek

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>>107958988
gba clones are pretty decent although a bit rare now they were all over aliexpress a few years ago, screen aspect ratio is wrong. they use custom asic cpu clones and have full link cable support + support loading from from sd card. theres another one called the digiretroboy.

also there are some that look exactly the same as gameboy sps i think they even use chink replacement housing. possibly russian made also hard to find now but a few years ago were everywhere.. the gamebox ones dont support sd loading but are still pretty cool

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>>107952712
>rockbox kinda sucks
what dont you like about rockbox? ive been using it forever its great imo

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>>107954257
>Self-illuminated screens are the devil, anon. Didn't you know?
you can backlight these theyre pretty great

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>>107970892
this is why i like the funnyplaying ita kits for the gba they use panels from the dsi and have gaps between pixels just like the original gba look way better than the ips mods people use imo

>>107949948
analog synths and other music equipment are. most actual /g/ tech from 20+ years ago is e-waste though.

>>107980452
ITA is definitely better than IPS, but with the GBA you're still just better off with the AGS-101 mod.

>>107980458
>music equipment
Most old synths that were actually popular have been emulated to near perfect fidelity. Modern software synths are so much more powerful.

>>107958295
>>107959283
>>107959454
Sure, much of it is fearmongering but you also can't be blasé about it. Software has RCE bugs, websites with their dodgy ad banners are designed to exploit these bugs. Your old OS likely can't install a properly patched up browser so it's a big ol' risk you're taking if you don't know the site you're going to is safe.
Not only that, allowing a win9x/XP machine allow_all on outgoing can be dangerous too. Loads of programs phone home for updates and telemetry even in the distant days of the 90s. And chances are the domain is no longer owned by the people who originally ran it. Best case scenario it connects to some domain parking page and does nothing. Worst case it downloads and runs update.exe. Don't think it would happen? The microsoft update service straight up trusted any activeX it got from anywhere. No prompt, no safety check, just started running it. If ever some random URL through some CDN microsoft have forgotten about starts redirecting to malware, your machine will just download and run it, NAT be damned.
There's other things like DNS poisoning that old OSs have no protection against. Basically, don't give your old OSs carte blanche to go online, you're asking for trouble.

>>107980537
i think a lot of people dont know xp still received security patches until like 2021 which you can install easily

>>107980499
`uoh'

>>107980230
the problem is the boards have big internal ground/power planes that suck all the heat away, so even a decent soldering station + wick isn't enough. Need to use a desoldering gun and a heat gun or board preheater. basically any of the "how do I solder" babbys with those irons that plug straight into the wall are going to fuck up the board
It's not like the single/double sided boards in something like a CRT where as long as you know what solder is you can get it done

>>107950381
Do you have a seperate cart for gameboy/gameboy color games, or do you just play them emulated?

>>107953375
>Is there any emulation box that outputs proper 240p?
You can get 240p output out of pretty much any generic PC via super-resolutions (the emulator needs to support super-res though). You will then need something like a DP to VGA adapter and once you've got that you have analog 240p RGB signal, can go (almost) directly into your TV if the TV has the right inputs (like SCART, which only requires some sync combining to work). If you need composite or S-Video then you need another converter box that can take VGA / RGBHV and output what your TV needs.

If you want to get the native modes and interlaced output specifically, then you can get those out of a PC as well. Easiest would be to use a slightly older AMD card, ideally something with a real VGA output, but it can work over DP as well with the right adapter (not all of them work). Which cards you can use will mostly depend on your software setup, on Windows you will probably need to install CRTemudriver which doesn't support particularly modern stuff but on Linux (like Batocera) I think you can go up to RDNA3 and still get real 15kHz video modes (progressive & interlaced) without super-res fuckery.

>>107978171
is the purpose of vinyl something other than listening to music?

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>>107953375
once again the actual solution is "just use a wii"
most of the emulators will do proper 240p over composite or component. And for nes/snes you can even buy one of the genuine "classic" controllers and plug it into a wiimote

>>107981486
yes

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>>107981439
Interlaced on Windows is only a problem on Pascal, RDNA and newer.
Even Intel onboard with just a VGA to SCART cable can work well.

>>107983016
I was talking about native res, not super-res. Though I guess you might be able to get 640x480i? No idea.

>>107949948
Yes when it gets the job done without modern big tech surveillance

>>107983251
>I was talking about native res, not super-res.
Doesn't matter, it's the same for the CRT.

>Though I guess you might be able to get 640x480i? No idea.
Too low pixel clock.

>>107983478
>Doesn't matter, it's the same for the CRT.
Yeah but it's a massive pain in the ass for me the user, because it renders the screen effectively unusable for anything that isn't set up for super-resolution. Like if I want to play a video on the TV I can just drag a video player there, or a browser window, or even run Kodi and it all works normally and with no fucking around since it's quite literally just like any other normal screen. I don't need to tickle every single application up the asshole to set it up for super-resolution, assuming it even supports this in the first place.

Super-res is a nice workaround if you have no other choice but if you can get native video modes instead it's a lot more straightforward to just use the TV.

>Too low pixel clock.
Yeah not surprising, that's why I was suggesting using AMD cards since you can set those up so everything just werks with no more fucking around.

>>107983921
That's relevant if you're actually using it as a secondary screen and not an emulation box like what anon was talking about.
Otherwise setting RetroArch to run at startup and just having the CRT + controller hooked up to a mediocre PC is all you need to get a good emulation box, no further fucking around needed.

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>>107962078
sony still makes voice recorders that work fine as mp3 players if you don't want a lot of features beyond navigating to a folder and playing a file
it's obviously not as good as if they actually focused on making a really good mp3 player with good UI and decent industrial design, unfortunately

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>>107984107
bah, wrong angle
I like the look that microphone in the corner

>>107984037
You also need switchres

>>107984870
Of course. You configure everything when setting up RetroArch.

>>107981318
its not emulation, the special microsd cart loads the rom into the gameboy like a real cart would, it runs on the gameboy hardware like a separate cart would normally

>>107985069
How do you know? What chart is that?

>>107984037
Not every emulator is retroarch and I think being able to easily watch video on a TV if you bother to set it up in the first place is a major boon. Older stuff which isn't available in high quality is MUCH more tolerable on a CRT TV. There are also PC games (even newer ones) which internally run at ~240p and actually look excellent on a TV but don't support super-resolution.

Like I said if you have no choice, use super-resolution, but if you can afford to spend like $20 or whatever on an old card which does all the 15kHz video modes natively then it's the better option. Compatible cards are cheap since they're old but not old enough to be "vintage collector gear" or whatever the fuck, they're right in that point of the value curve where they can be had for nearly nothing and are also still modern enough to work in any current-ish PC (like one with PCIe slots) with no headaches.

Emulation is fine. I use it. It should improve so poorfags can enjoy gaming as it was before the internet ruined it. I like original hardware better.

>>107985149
At the same time there's no reason to overcomplicate things if you just want a dedicated emulation box though.
It's for the same kind of people who get a Pi or Wii with RetroArch for emulation, just more powerful. You can just get a 20€ cable and 50€ SFF office PC and you're set.

>>107985289
Yeah but if somebody asks for recommendations I'm going to tell 'em about the most compatible and headache-free option which doesn't come with caveats, especially when it's super cheap anyway.

>>107949948
it entirely depends on your USE CASE.
just wanna listen to music? you're better off with some ripped mp3s/flacs on your phone + a player app. If you wanna feel special you can get a dedicated media player.
wanna play some games? a chink retro console will probably suit your needs unless you want stuff from specific hardware (like the Wii). In that case you're better off with an actuall Wii.
movies? that's another story. Some people prefer the complete era appropriate hardware for it, by that I mean a projector and a screen. Personally I'm not that obsessed with it so I usually watch my movies on a galaxy tab or my big TV as an mkv file.
wanna code on the go? stinkpad.
wanna make money out of it? bad idea. Hardware ages way faster than other "antiques". You're better off investing elsewhere.

>>107949948
No, only if it's your own from back then or inherited. There are some edge cases, like if you dj with vinyls only technics 1200/1210 measure up.

>>107949948
Old audio equipment is often better than current stuff but other than that, no.

>>107949948
I was nostalgic and bought an ipod classic 4th gen. it doesn't handle true VBR files well...

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>>107949948
If the software Mental "Yakub" Outlaw writes can work on a 1989 UNIX as well as a 2026 Linux distro I think its safe to say retro tech is never obsolete. The bloat, planned obsolence and properitary agenda just makes it obsolete

>>107949948
Depends. Some retro tech was junk even when it was new.

>>107986277
>2004
That's the year the scene switched to alt preset standard/Lame 3.90.3 so basically all the new music on the internet was VBR after that.

>>107985069
I thought that with the GBA you needed a physical GBC cart to play GBC games? There isn't a way to play GBC roms from a GBA cart, not natively..

>>107986277
RockBox

>>107978113
kek

>>107951951
yes, they can do almost everything up to ps1 including older computers and they do analog output and hdmi. just this value proposition alone makes them worth owning. I dont wanna own 45 consoles from before 1993 just to play a 8bit game on a analog tv.

if you are into tinkering, setting things up and fucking around they are a ton of fun.


>>107953522
this is ultimately the conclusions i came after years of collecting random ass retro tech and collected every game system. old game systems are so common though you can find them usually for nothing and then once you pair a softmod or a flashcart they generally make them worth owning but going out of your way to buy a 500 dollar retro IBM PC is fucking retarded unless you got it 15 years ago for 20 bucks, current prices are fucking retarded

>>107981527
Pretty much my experience too, later analog-video consoles are the easier way to emulate on a CRT TV. But the emulators on those are often less accurate than the ones on PC though they'll play most games with no issues. And consoles like the Wii are considered retro too now, though they're common, cheap, and more reliable than an older SNES.

>>107981079
>big internal ground/power planes that suck all the heat away
yeah, i forgot thats a pretty uncommon thing unless you deal with appliances a lot, i guess i just accepted they exist.

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>MiniDisc
Okay boomer.

As I get older I start to miss the simplicity of the past. A single device that does one thing and does it well is something I can appreciate more. Especially over all these increasingly shittier devices that do all these different things with varying degrees of quality.

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>>107980452
How about modern OLED displays?

>>107991800
ive not tried any displays that have a fake pixel gap filter so i cant say

>>107992076
I mean, you're looking at one.

>>107992156
yeah but not in person kek, id assume it should be decent since the pixels in the gaps are actually off but idk

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>>107991800
The GBC is one of those handhelds that I just think you shouldn't fucking screen mod.

The colors were set based on the screen, when you blow them out with modern displays they become garish. It's not the same thing, but you get what I mean with the WSC here. While there are some GBA color modded games, GBC is a bit less common.

The OG GB I can understand because the screen in that is complete ass, but the GBC looks great stock.

>>107992191
nta i dont own a gbc but if its anything like the gbas non lit screen its probably really hard to use. i could hardly see my gba screen in my room unless i sat on my bed in some weird angle where the light hit it directly kek thats what made me mod it

>>107992191
It's more about being able to see the damn thing at all. I'm not going to put an OLED in my childhood Pikachu Edition GBC. I don't have a problem buying one from Japan that's beat the fuck up to rehouse and put an OLED in though. Even if the colors don't look right I'm not squinting to see them with a worm light like I was when I was 11. That's the true nostalgic experience but my eyes aren't as good as they used to be and I don't want to suffer for the sake of authenticity.

>>107992255
The GBA's screen is fucking awful. Other non-backlit handhelds of the time, like the GBC, NGP, and SC, all had far superior screens.

>>107992264
I just turn on a light.

>>107980358
I'm 33 and fell for le authenticity memes. I do own all of those and I bought them cheaply and scavenged goodwills. It would take me a couple months full time on ebay to sell all the shit and buy sell trades only give you like 30% of the market value. I'm just stuck with a bunch of totes of this shit and it's tacky as shit to put it out in the home.

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>>107949948
Good old rock, nothing beats that.

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>>107959454
Zune XP theme outlived the Zune :)