When the GrapheneOS phone comes out, you are getting one right /g/?
>>107968758Have they given any updates about which OEM is doing it and when it will release?
>>107968758Honestly I don't really like GroidphoneOS.The GroidphoneOS devs only care about security.They don't care about freedom or privacy.
>>107968770recently announced that they pushed it to 2027 and that kill switches will be therethe delay is because the partner they had didnt get everything done for their lineup for 2026
>>107968770Some are saying it's probably Motorola, and thats what I think it is. "Top 10 Android OEM" and "Not Samsung" and "You've probably owned a phone from them before" match up with Motorola. Somehow doubt it's a Chinese OEM (I know Motorola is owned by Lenovo but you know what mean).
>>107968786the OS is open source, it provides you the freedom to do whatever you want. It provides fresh installed android to you with shit you dont want and you can have everything from play store in a sandbox with proper permissionswhat is your main annoyance with it? the fact that they shill chromium based browser? i think their idea about it reasonable and its not like they are banning you from installing firefox
>>107968758Well it really depends. For example I got a new phone just last month and I wanted to get a Fairphone. However they don't work with my service provider AT&T so I had to go with something else. If GrapheneOS only works with select service providers as well I might pass up on them as well when the time comes.
>>107968834they dont work with the service provider? thats odd
>>107968770It is Motorola. They have ruled out any other feasible brand in their twitter/mastodon posts. It will release in 2027, probably around June.
>>107968854Unfortunately for right now they only work with T-mobile.
>>107968758If it has the features of my xperia 1 iv: dual sim, sd card, headphone jack, no camera dent/bullet hole, not overly rounded display corners, decent cameras, notification led. Pretty much a 2016 android but with recent hardware.The hardware of the pixels is what holds me back right now. The pixels are literally a combination of all the worst modern smartphone trends.Sure I want a secure phone. But why even have a smart phone if you cant use it for anything else than being secure. Like I can't even listen to music with headphones without using a frequency hopping radio protocol. I just want to be able to plug in the wire from my headphones and listen to my shitty 80s rock when I take a walk.
>>107968883Isn't Motorola one of the main tech suppliers of the Israeli army? can that really be trusted as an independent actor for privacy and security?Also I heard that the brand they were doing the collab with actually made tablets
>>107968898oh you were talking about fairphone, that makes senseI think grapheneOS easily has the best software solution in the whole Android ecosystem. What I've seen in hardware wise, there is a long way to go still for fairphone or anything else
I already have a pixel 10 pro
>>107969074depending on how it goes they might just reprioritze the pixels on next releases when google became more hostile regardless if that was the intention
I am not using an OS maintained by a single literal schizo.
I'll probably stick with iOS for a few more years, but I'm happy that the project is successful enough to get its own phone. If I had to guess, the released first phone will have mid-tier specs with a few schizo hardware features.I'd like to see some of it's features eventually implemented in more mainstream phones, but I think it'll be the most secure/private phone on the market for sometime.
>>107969224major corpos will not allow a graphine phone to last. it undermines their ability to control and survey you.
>>107969224they said it's going to be a flagship phone
>>107969150man the grapheneOS guy is at least predictable schizo its not as bad as some schizos in other open source placesyou can trust that he is up to his shit
>>107968758im currently using a pixel 6a running it, but when it breaks im going to be buying the cheapest temp phone and then looking for an eink one
>>107968929Motorola makes tablets.
>>107968758GrapheneOS glows. I'm gonna stick with LineageOs.
>>107969683LineageOS is verifiably insecure and makes tons of connections to google servers. So good luck with that.
>>107969808That so? Let me read about it.
>>107969824https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
>>107969906??? this is a nothingburger
>>107969906>(((berg)))
>>107968758Probably, I don't care about the newest and best, I just don't want a spyware shit device.
>>107969906interesting list at the very bottom. how come all Linux phones are failures? and why aren't the best known ones like Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish compatible with the rest of Linux?
>>107970053it's burg though
>>107968812You dont have root, so there is actually a lot you can't do. Like limiting how much your phone charges (to 80% to protect battery).
>>107972158>You dont have rootYeah, same, I've been using GOS for a few years now and that's my main problem with it too. I understand "muh security" but it's this attitude that the developer knows more than the user about the user's own phone. Providing the user with a secure environment is good, forcing the user into a non-optional secure environment is unnecessary as long as the user is responsible for their own device (i.e. outside of corporate environments, for example).That being said in practice it doesn't matter THAT much if you just want a working phone. GOS is not a solution for a "tinkerer's linux phone", it's a solution for having a working Android that's not unbearably botnet, and when using it that way I haven't really encountered anything that I really wanted root for. With the network permission exposed you don't even need a firewall, and when using mostly FOSS apps I haven't needed an adblocker (though a VPN-based one would still work if you wanted it).>Like limiting how much your phone charges (to 80% to protect battery).You can in fact do that directly from Android/GOS without root. What you can't do is edit the limit (it's either 80% or 100%).
>>107968758My family will be so mad when I get detained at the airport for 8 hours because I can't answer why I would need a phone with kill switches if I have nothing to hide
>>107972158I don't even know what I'd use root access for. All I did with it in the end on my last phone was change the physical keyboard layout to move the control key and I can do that through the settings now.But I remember using root plenty a decade ago so maybe I just became boring.
>>107972478I have to visit Barcelona before I get a GOS phone (and before the great replacement o algo)
>>107972672I think in the past root was super useful for AfWall+ and for hosts-based adblocking. At least that's what I used it for all the time. Oh and also playing around with LuckyPatcher, and using TitaniumBackup to force backup shit like google authenticator's un-back-upable internal secret store.Nowadays we have an explicit Network permission that completely replaces AfWall+, and there's tons of FOSS apps that make it a lot less necessary to have adblocking and patching. VPN-based adblockers have also gotten significantly better. And Google Authenticator is unmaintained meanwhile there are FOSS authenticator apps that don't need root to be backed up.So yeah, root is really not crucial anymore.
>>107968758graphene glows
>>107968758No. My next phone will either be a Linux phone or a dumb phone.>>107968786I agree with you 100% anon, but you should be very aware that regulations explicitly outlaw user freedom when it comes to phone radios. We have many enemies in this world.
>>107974748>linux phonewhich one
>>107974828Will have to see what the market is like in 6 years when it's time for a new phone. Whichever one has the most reliable modem firmware.
>>107974748In my experience, the two things that are impossible to get outside of android/ios are maps with live traffic updates, and ride-hailing apps.Map applications in general are really crap on linux, though it is possible to use something like waydroid to run organicmaps or some shit.If you don't need maps/GPS and uber/lyft/whatever, and don't need to be on a web browser or reachable through chat apps 24/7, then a dumbphone is basically good enough. You can carry a separate music player and e-reader, and a laptop for when you do need to get online. I did that for a while, it was perfectly fine except when I'd need to travel. GPS for driving and an easy way to get a taxi in unfamiliar cities are massively useful and are the only reasons I own a smartphone again today.>>107974842Maybe in 6 years some of this might improve but I wouldn't count on it, as it's been the same situation for over a decade by now.
>>107974879>In my experience, the two things that are impossible to get outside of android/ios are maps with live traffic updates, and ride-hailing apps.Yeah, this is something I've grappled with. Google maps is convenient, but I'm fine with just having a separate GPS or whatever. I was willing to accept the absolute state of Android as of a few years ago (still far from ideal), but it's clear to me that the current leadership is taking the platform down a very dark path. Basically just dropping all the reasons to use Android in the first place, just to make a worse iOS?This has been a trend that's been a long time coming, but the last 2 years specifically it's gotten way worse. I just can't justify living in Google's shadow anymore.I don't really see Graphene as a viable alternative. I've had many problems with Android as an operating system from the get-go, it's never really felt like mobile Unix and while you can eek that experience out of it (kind of), there are just a load of abstraction barriers that prevent it from ever being actually realized in a coherent way. If I'm leaving Android, I'm not going to switch to something that makes all the same mistakes as Android just because it preserves my ability to get a root shell slightly better. I may as well just go for the ideal paradigm shift so my mobile phone more closely resembles my desktop and servers, and remove all the overhead from writing and running my own software.>as it's been the same situation for over a decade by now.I've been tracking it for about that long, and I do know it's actually gotten substantially better compared to the old days. While it's not guaranteed, I think the incoming wave of people giving up on Android could serve as the catalyst for less dropped calls and more reliable SMS. Especially because for many of us, that's literally the only thing holding us back from adopting the Linux phone as a daily driver.And if not, hey whatever. I'll be happy with a dumb phone too.
>>107974879uber works fine on sailfish with appsupport and microg just fine, for live traffic you could plugin apikey from here maps into pure maps and have live traffic maps this way, but no longer free api keys from here nowadays I think (you can use most android apps anyways, pure maps is a great native alternative with offline maps support tho)
>>107975009>but I'm fine with just having a separate GPS or whatever.The problem is that the market for these is practically nonexistent, to the point where probably the easiest way to get a decent GPS device is literally using an old android phone.>Android being shitAndroid is really shit at being a computer, but IMO life really got easier for me once I stopped expecting it to be one. Android is not "unix in the palm of your hand", it's a barebones toy OS meant for basic phone calls, a basic email app, basic maps app with GPS capabilities, and a few things like this.Graphene is not "better than android", Graphene is just Android but without the mandatory calling home to google ever 0.005 seconds. Graphene, IMO, is Android made usable: you get regular security updates (unlike some pajeetrom), you have zero call-home connections by default, you have the option to have a sandboxed user account where you can enable google services for those cases where you really need to run a botnet app (and then you can log out and completely shut it down the moment you're not using it), basically it's a toy mobile gadget OS that works for YOU instead of working for google.And that's good enough for me. After all, my dumbphone could only make phone calls and store up to 300 text messages. GrapheneOS can make phone calls, store text messages, play music and check emails, has a GPS for FOSS maps and can run even google maps in a sandbox for cases where I decide I'd rather temporarily get tracked in return for getting traffic updates.If I want a unix box I will just take out my laptop. I have never once in my life yet been out in a train, or on a hike, or driving, or anywhere outside, and thought to myself "damn, I wish I could use a real unix machine right now without having to stop and open my laptop!".But hey, if linux phones become actually usable, that'll be really neat. I kind of gave up after the pinephone died. Still have that brick gathering dust in my drawer.
>>107975080you really should give sfos a try, I've written 3 apps just using the 'half an hour on the bus' schedule, being able to instantly test results is also great, qml apps need no recompiling and you can just rerun the app after saving your changes for instant testing (python, bash scripts all fine, if you need cpp+qt you can setup a chroot to compile on device, not as comfy tho)
>>107968802>>107968883motorola actually makes good yet cheap phonesor will it only be for the high end?
>>107968758If I can root it, yes.Otherwise, no.
>>107968786Agreed. It's an insufferable OS that is poorly tested and with the forced updates shit always breaks. Gave up on it.
>>107975080>If I want a unix box I will just take out my laptop. I have never once in my life yet been out in a train, or on a hike, or driving, or anywhere outside, and thought to myself "damn, I wish I could use a real unix machine right now without having to stop and open my laptop!".The problem is that in the process of using my phone, I very frequently feel "Man, this sucks. I really wish this was more Unix-like" while administering my system or wanting to bypass some limitation or whatever.There's a grain to the system I just don't like. It's not designed for users like me, and it's nothing like my other computers. There's a very hard conceptual wall between my phone and the other devices for no real reason, and it's irritating background radiation.Case in point, I hate calendar and alarm apps. I don't like a single aspect of any ones I've used across different Android phones, iOS, etc. I really just want to write cron jobs. I don't want integration with iCloud or contact synchronization or whatever the fuck.There's just an expectation I have for my computers that smart phones tend to completely fail at. And it makes sense that they do. Smartphones are the poster child of our modern paradigm where computer users are not necessarily experts or particularly interested in becoming experts, and the entirety of the experience is catered towards such users. Your grandma isn't going to prefer editing cron configurations compared to tapping some form controls in the alarm app. Unfortunately I have wildly different expectations, priorities and workflows compared to the mass market, and my express desire for a system is predicated on the user being an expert.
>>107975482in sailfish you get full control of cron/systemd/dbus while also having access to android apps, but whatever, enjoy the system where enduser is an attack vector
>>107975505>systemd>dbusNo thanks!
>>107972458>>107972672>>107972853>why would I even need root on my toy osfucking state of /g/ on grapheneshilling, it's good to not own your toy, you wouldn't want to accidentally desecure yourself anon, root is for losers, they literallt allow you now to do x y and z, root is pointless, don't ask for being in control of your hw
>>107975534cool then reinvent those on graphene... Oh wait you don't even have root so no reinvention is happening
>>107975596read before replying retard.
>>107975604>muh toy super secure os doesn't allow me to use standard linux systems, that means toy is better than linux
>>107975578read before replying retard.
>>107975680why should I trust you when even schizo doesn't trust you retard
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>>107968758Privacy phones are pointless. Even if they worked as claimed, they defeat the purpose of owning a smartphone by blocking the apps and services that make the device useful. Banking apps, navigation, and most mainstream tools either won’t run or function poorly without Google’s infrastructure.The privacy benefits are mostly theoretical. Cellular networks, ISPs, and third-party trackers still operate outside the device’s limited controls. The hardware itself remains a black box, often produced by the same corporations privacy phones claim to resist.In reality, these devices are self-deception tools, comfort for those who want to feel like they’ve opted out, without actually addressing the systemic nature of surveillance. If privacy were the real goal, the answer wouldn’t be a crippled phone; it would be using no phone at all. Privacy phones are just LARPing in hardware form.
>>107968758>star of davidhey man, I'll fucking pass, install a jewish pager if YOU want
>>107968758the fact that corporate youtubers like mr. beast shill for graphene should make you question some things.
>>107975417Works on my machine
>>107975867>mr. beast?
>>107975080>The problem is that the market for these is practically nonexistentNonsense, Garmin has been making standalone GPS's for ages. I even have one in my car.
>>107968758Yes but only if Nokia makes it and has flagship hardware
I just gonna get one of these one they restock
>The weekly anti-GOS raid by competitors and glowiesGood morning saars
>>107975322Only higher end. GrapheneOS requires a lot of security features which are only present in high end SoCs. The most probable reason GrapheneOS isn't coming to a Motorola phone this year is because Motorola choose to put a non elite SoC in the device they were initially targeting which doesn't support MTE fully (the Motorola Signature model). This would also mean they aren't targeting the highest end Motorola phones (razr) (yet).
>phone for nerds>punchole displayInto the bin it goes.
>>107968758Depends on if it has a headphone jack
>>107975794You eliminate a LOT of tracking by limiting (or even better, removing) Google's apps and built-in tracking code. You're right that if you're connected to the cell network you're being tracked anyway, but removing a large amount of tracking still has value even if you don't remove 100% of it. Your defeatist attitude is a classic shill: "perfect privacy is impossible, so just give up and enable all tracking goy!"
