Anyone miss manually defraging the hard drive
No.
>>107977761Just set it to defrag and shutdown on complete. Go to sleep yourself.
If you're talking about the experience of watching defragmentation software as it defragments a hard drive, perhaps it's possible to create a defrag simulator app that simulates the visuals of a hard drive defragmenter just for show that doesn't actually do anything to the actual computer.You could probably set the desired time it takes for the simulation to complete and replicate the experience.
>>107977761>manually defraging the hard driveWhat is this, the 90s?
>>107977829they should let you rewatch defrag logs
>>107977778yeah it's one of those memories people have positive feels for, but usually you were defragging because your shit was fucked up and slow or because you were so fucking bored watching the boxes move around seemed interesting.
>>107977829wtf my guy
>>107977829It has to make 90s hard drive sounds too.
ye, im going to defrag manually.. didnt defrag in years. should have 64K NTFS sectors too, is better for performance
>>107977761Yes.Small moments of zen
>>107977761yes very cathartic
>>107977761I defrag my ssds regularly. Try and stop me faggots. You can't. LoL
>>107977761me
>>107977761no and I hate defrag autists who pushed me into raping my hdd to death
II loved mydefrag and it's GUI showing little bits of data moving around.
>>107977761Do I need to defrag modern hdds? I have a couple of external hdds
>>107978839yes
>>107977761Not particularly. Though the Win9x one was fun. Modern ones with block maps are so zoomed out but that one scrolled through the drive and you could watch it picking up blocks and moving them.
>>107978839SSDs? No, but if you run Windows' defrag.exe on them it will TRIM all unused blocks to make sure the wear leveling stuff inside the drive knows all the free blocks it has to work with.HDDs? Yes, though on Windows if you leave your computer idle for a few minutes it'll start defragging in the background, and stop when you move the mouse. That's part of why it'll sometimes be churning away while idle but stop when you go to open Task Manager to find out what it's doing.
>>107977761I don't even miss HDDs, to be honest
>>107977761Still doing it on my POSReady 2009 stinkpad. Wouldn't miss it, there's nothing to it from a user's perspective.
>>107977761Yep
>>107977761Is this the next zoomer fake nostalgia meme that only they'll ""remember"" was an enjoyable thing?
>>107978839Nah, nigga, use contig instead.
>>107978837MyDefrag was wonderful and probably the best defrag tool that was ever written.>>107979297you don't need to defrag SSDs unless some file has literally every byte on a different sector (so reading it is essentially a large random 4k read task which has worse performance), however consolidating free space will actually improve write speeds. The drive can then write everything to empty sectors in one operation, instead of dicking around with half-empty sectors that it has to read-copy-write back which is much slower.
>>107979468Defragging free space will only help if your free space is severely fragmented. It's not speeding up any internal flash operations since that's all scrambled around by the wear leveling. The most it does is speed up the communication between the computer and SSD because a large block of data takes less commands to write than a bunch of tiny pieces.
>>107977761>manuallyi love manual cars broi manually tell waymo to drive me to work every day.if your waymo chooses your destination automatically then you dont actually know how to drive lmao
>>107979578let me explain the joke since this board is full of low iq pajeets...clicking defrag and watching a gui utility do all the work is not "manually" doing anything. you are not charting out which data gets written to which sector. that would be impressive.
>>107979578>>107979590>i have autism and if you don't understand me you're a [insert racist slur here]>...>why won't women give me attention?
>>107977829>>107978251https://defrag98.com/
>>107979666i fucked a brown girl tonight, seethe and dilate faggot
>>107979495yes, and that too results in a speedup that can be measured via benchmarks.do a disk position speed test in hdtune, then defrag and consolidate free space, then run it again, the consolidated parts will get large speed ups.or just look at how it has far higher measured speeds on sectors that you've yet to write anything to.
>>107978837This Puran and O&O had the best algorithms.
>>107979677No you didn't, you've never been laid otherwise you wouldn't be so mad.
>>107979674This is idiotic. Only a zoomer larpist would click on that again.
>>107979677Post the aids test.
>>107977761I never defragged my drives, ever. It took forever, and it hammered the disk real hard. Here is something few people know. The reason why defrag took forever, and ground the disk to dust, is because Microsoft only used a 64kb buffer. And using a third party utility did not fix that, because all defrag software uses the same defrag ioctl, the 64kb buffer is baked into the filesystem driver. As an experiment once, I compiled the fastfat.sys driver in the winddk samples and changed the buffer to 4MB, defrag was then silent and dozens of times faster.
>>107979867https://www.windows93.net/#!defrag
>>107977761I can't finish the code, Im defragging right now.>Yeah lets go outside, its deragging right now.
>>107977761no, because I don't use ntfs
>>107979468>>107979495Would defragging a SSD also add unnecessary wear to it?
>>107977761When you ask a question, you end that sentence with a question mark. It looks like this: "?"
>>107981411obviously. But most SSDs already have enough write cycles to last you several decades unless you REALLY hammer them or use them as a server.
>>107977761I wish I can simulate this on VM
>>107977761If you think manually defragging your drive is fun, you should try manually defagging your town. Learned about it from a middle eastern coworker and it's a blast.
>>107977778fpbp
>>107977761>manuallyyou never did any such thingyou ALWAYS used a tool to automate defraggingProve me wronglivestream yourself MANUALLY defragging a single disk drive
>>107978682I defrag my cock every night to my coworker with fat tits and a huge ass. God I want to fuck her so bad.
>>107982641Post pix faggot
>>107985003No. My creep shots are my pleasure and my pleasure alone. I will say she looks and is built like Krissy Lynn (same phat ass and everything). Go fap to that.
>>107982616You can't manually defrag just with a hex editor?
>>107985320How about I manually defrag your ass with my foot, fuckface?
>>107982350omg was the dude in white ok after this
>>107985486Yes. Niggrman swooped in amd saved him (then took his wallet and cell phone before running off)
>>107979677Fleshlights or tranny assholes don't count faggot! Go paint your nails.
>>107986127I use a flashlight on my cock when I jerk to my fat titted big assed co-worker, why then?
>>107985486Inshallah habibi, do not worry about the infidel
>>107978837This was the last visual defragger I used, very good program.
https://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/
>>107978136>or because you were so fucking bored watching the boxes move aroundOr you're autistic and the thought of the blocks not having optimal placement was too much to ignore.
>>107977761I don't because I still do it on all my storage devices. HDDs, SATA SSDs, NVMe SSDs. And I make sure to fool my defrag software into thinking that my SSDs are mechanical HDDs, so they won't "defrag" my SSDs with cucked SSD modes which are basically manually running a TRIM.For me it's Puran Defrag and O&O Defrag btw>>107979468Defragging SSDs also helps achieving better read and write performance because even if the files aren't physically fragmented in the same sense as an HDD, the files and filesystem are still logically fragmented. Performing a full defrag that leaves the filesystem logically defragmented and contiguous, helps SSD performance a little. The difference obviously isn't as significant as defragging a HDD, but even my current NVMe SSD always performs a little better after a full HDD-style defrag (defrag files + concatenate free space). At least for NTFS I'd say this holds true and makes sense.>>107979799>Puran and O&O had the best algorithms.Based anon. They still do.>>107981411It does add wear, but I wouldn't call it unnecessary unless you perform a full defrag every week or so, which would be retarded. I do a full defrag on my SSDs about 2 or 3 times/year.
>>107988771>I make sure to fool my defrag software into thinking that my SSDs are mechanical HDDsThis is without question the most pants-on-head retarded thing I have seen today, maybe even this week, on /g/.>just no.
>>107977761Hell no. That shit took forever and I never noticed any noticeable speed difference.
>>107978839Yes.Data on a normal HDD is stored on magnetic discs, and each bit has a magnetic field that can interfere with each other. Defragging rearranges them to eliminate interference.In an SSD, data is stored on electrons which travel the shortest path available, so defragging is not necessary.
good memories. >"my game is too slow!">empty recycle bin>clear cookies/cache>disable startup programs with msconfig>defragwhat am i missing? there was also that program where you can uncheck unused services to clear up space, was that msconfig too?
>>107990396>each bit has a magnetic field that can interfere with each other. Defragging rearranges them to eliminate interference.ok now this is the second most pants-on-head retarded thing I've >>107990317 read on /g/ this week.>that is not it at all.
>>107990396>In an SSD, data is stored on electronsInteresting. I never gave any thought before about how it works, but this makes a lot of sense. I read somewhere that SSDs can lose data over time, I guess possibly the electrons might be leaking and escaping into the air.
>>107977761I used to defrag them but only in 48fps. If you do it in 24fps it takes 4x longer and it just ends up choppy. If you ever watched a .rm video you'd notice the difference fast. I did skip the opening of the casing and airblowing the disk plates. Some people did that and they said they've seen a performance increase but I didn't have a screwdriver that small. The disks used to also last like one year tops so it was easier to just pkzip everything on a zip drive and transfer it over scsi to a new PC, provided it was OS/2 compatible and had a trackball to select which assembler partitions to move over manually.I did all of it in DOSShell. Some keyboards even had a dedicated button for it.
>>107977761no faggot, i like my trusty ext4
>>107977761>defragingdestroying modern Shingled Magnetic Recording (SMR) drives
>>107988771
>>107977761it's not manual if a program can say this is good and that is bad. if it can recognize the errors it should be able to fix them too
who miss manual degauss
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>>107977761i remember being bored when i was a kid and looking at my dad's defrag's blocks and trying to guess what's the next one that would be picked.
>>107990317>Nooooooo you can't defrag your SSD like a HDD it will explode just don't do it!Total redditor take
>>107991142Only three decades building and supporting PCs, managing datacenter ops, and working in labs supporting hardware for scientists and engineers at a huge globohomo corp.>you do you, though.
>>107988771>At least for NTFS I'd say this holds true and makes sense.It's true for other file systems as well, especially true for copy-on-write filesystems. ZFS even warns you that if the filesystem is 80% full, it'll degrade massively in performance. I've seen an array go from 3-400MB/s to 10-20MB/s once it was 90% full, and that was the read speed for anything I wrote to it while it was full, even after I freed up space, so clearly some stuff was written to it heavily fragmented.ZFS not having defragmentation tools is one of the reason I don't like using it.
>>107990396anon, a magnetic charge is based on electrons as well. the only difference is you measure polarity instead of voltage.
>>107977761Gonna defrag my ssd and other hard drive now thx for the reminder :)
>>107979666ha, I look like this and say this!
>>107978837Great little program, I used it in anger for a few years from MiniXP.
>>107990922Haven't done that in centuries and it wasn't anything intetesting, let alone fun to do. All my crt's do it automatically and only once did I ever need to wave a coil after messing shit up real bad with an unshielded speaker.
>>107977761it was ASMR for boomers
>>107977829>create a defrag simulator appJust install PCem or 86box with a slow cpu like 133mhz pentium and windows 98 and watch as it defrags realtime as it was in to 90s
No? I did it with a SSD the other day
