>>107982730
Fagdora is a meme.
Why did you fall for it?

>>107982730
It's true. https://youtu.be/GC5E8ie2pdM?si=OTfHUrxFeOeLMzCK&t=62

Immutability is a fucking meme, there's a reason neither Windows or MacOs adopted that model.

>>107982730
>Still doesn't support videos and webm natively

>>107982745
>Fagdora is a meme.
>>107982760
>Immutability is a fucking meme
What an absolutely meaningless fart of a thought you just had twice in a row.

>>107982730
True, but Universal Blue instead of regular Fedora. Fedora is a cucked distro which is afraid of shipping anything that has a patent or a proprietary license.

>>107982760
macOS is immutable and has been for a while now. The only reason Windows is not immutable yet is because it's a steaming pile of shit filled with so much technical debt that it's impossible to rewrite it properly.

>>107982772
Making a post just to scream NOOO YOU CAN'T MOCK ME
Please be joking

>>107982772
immutability is a meme

just run rocky linux if you want stable fedora experience TM

>>107982797
>Universal Blue instead
Those guys just announced everyone should donate to the ACLU in their discord in response to what's happening in Minneapolis.

>>107982835
Every Linux distro is trooned out, besides maybe Arch (I haven't heard anything from it). Your point?

>>107982760
>>107982805
>>107982817
>Immutability is a fucking meme
Tell that to the majority of highly paid software devs who are mainly working with immutable data systems. Same with atomic systems, there's a reason why databases are using atomic transactions/updates.
>inb4 but this is operating systems
Then tell that to MacOS, iOS, Android and various other user and server Linux distros all of which are immutable and/or atomic.
>inb4 but cloud native
Almost all non-hobby servers and development pipelines are using Docker images.
>inb4 autistic screeching
You don't have a job, you have no technical skills, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're just an autistic keyboard warrior who contributes nothing to Linux anyway. You literally don't matter. Just like it didn't matter when the same tiny group of autistic retards was adamantly fighting against kde and gnome, systemd, rust in the kernel, wayland, flatpak, etc.

>>107982797
>macOS is immutable
You apparently don't know that MacOS is based on FreeBSD, which is not immutable.

>>107982835
I have no idea what ACLU is or does, sorry.

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>>107982877
>You don't have a job, you have no technical skills, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're just an autistic keyboard warrior who contributes nothing to Linux anyway. You literally don't matter. Just like it didn't matter when the same tiny group of autistic retards was adamantly fighting against kde and gnome, systemd, rust in the kernel, wayland, flatpak, etc.
Then leave

>>107982885
>macOS is effectively immutable at the system level, meaning its core operating system components are protected and cannot be modified by users or malware.

>The system volume is read-only and signed, ensuring that critical system files remain unaltered.

>System Integrity Protection (SIP) enforces mandatory access controls, preventing even root users from modifying protected system files.

>macOS updates are delivered as binary delta images that replace the entire system volume atomically, reinforcing the immutable nature of the OS.

>While users can install applications and modify their home directories, the underlying OS remains sealed and unchangeable by default.

>This design enhances security, stability, and consistency—similar to immutable Linux distributions like Fedora Silverblue or NixOS, though macOS achieves this through a tightly integrated, monolithic approach rather than a package-based model.

>>107982797
Don't use Universal Blue. MAYBE the actual base univeral blue image is fine, but it's basically a small team of system provisioners, most of whom don't even code, who are just throwing their favorite apps onto base images (like VPN's you'll never ever use at the system level) and kernel patches they don't understand. If you want bootc just bake it yourself.
>>107982877
Don't bother, anon. They don't actually know what any of these terms mean. Case in point >>107982885

>>107982877
>Tell that to the majority of highly paid software devs who are mainly working with immutable data systems. Same with atomic systems, there's a reason why databases are using atomic transactions/updates.
name one

>>107982888
It's a civil liberties institution that fights for the rights of niggers and brown people to break the law with no consequences.

>>107982730
>immutable
garbage for cucks and retards

>>107982905
Thank you chatgpt

>>107982924
Why?

>>107982909
I really don't care about what's happening in America, but as an outsider I can tell you that both sides are in the wrong.
>fed outright kills a fat bitch while she's trying to drive away
>feds fight a guy 5v1, disarm him, then kill him for no reason
Meanwhile
>rioters are literally blocking the streets and destroying property
>rioters are attacking feds and now throwing bricks at them
Anyone who is defending either side is mentally ill. But that doesn't mean I give a shit if I use software written or managed by people who support either side. None of this affects my PC.

>>107982909
>burger/pol/ horseshit
Oh, so it's nothing.

>>107982760
given how much windows sharts itself updating nowadays they probably should

>>107982730
ok redhat bootlicker

>>107982953
cuckware because by default it looks down everything outside of your home directory and only retards (the type of users who would delete system32 on windows) would think it's a good thing.

>>107982760
Deep Freeze is quite popular on windows

>>107982906
The head is a dude who worked at askubuntu and Microsoft, they absolutely know what they're doing.

Just use Debian you fucking stupid niggers

>>107983082
>they absolutely know what they're doing
Then why couldn't they figure out their gaming kernel and have to give up on it?

>>107983009
>Anyone who is defending either side is mentally ill
Nothing you've said justifies this statement.

>>107983081
We had these "always revert to the predefined state but keep the user data" features back in Windows XP too.

>>107983103
Only if you can't read or think.

>>107983070
You don't seem to understand how this stuff works even at the most basic level, anon. Yet you're still mad at it for some reason.

>>107983599
>rpm-ostree install package
reboot
trash forces you to reboot
>flatpak package
flatpaks suck
and then you have the extra bloat of keeping revisions of ostree around and kernels + initramfs are not even part of the ostree so cuckdora forces you to have a bloatmax boot parition. the whole thing is designed for noobs and retards.

>>107984287
>trash forces you to reboot
Oh no! Anything but that!
>flatpaks suck
Another solid point, professor lol
>a bloatmax boot partition
Quit using technical terms.

>>107984324
>/dev/nvme0n1p1 10M 1.3M 8.7M 13% /boot/efi
my boot partition is 10MB but on cuckdora
>For Fedora Linux 43 and later, the default /boot partition size has been **raised from **1 GiB to 2 GiB.
so forced boot parition, forced reboots, forced flatpaks with their retard tier ~/.var/app/org.cuck.net/ app storage (same shit as windows appdata), forced bloatmax gnome/kde/gpu driver runtimes. like I said it's good for noobuntu tards that's it

>>107984427
>my boot partition is 10MB but on cuckdora
And? Does it make your laptop weigh less? Finish your thoughts, man. You just keep saying "I don't like thing" in the dumbest terms and then call it quits. Why do you think this stuff is bad? Do you have ideas in your head longer than three words or is this just all you're capable of?

>>107984459
I get it you're a retard who has no idea how linux works, you think it's ok to waste 2GB on a boot parition when an efi bootloader is around 2MB and even a bloated kernel + initramfs should be less than 100MB. You might as well just use windows, you get the reboots, you get the bloat, you get the cucking but at least you can run anything you want.

>>107984549
>I get it
No you don't.

Some distro unironically ship with 4GB boot partitions nowadays

>>107984427
>>107984549
How to tell everyone you're on a 20 year old thinkpad without telling everyone you're on a 20 year old thinkpad.

For anyone not stuck on using the most poorfag equipment where every byte of space is valuable these things don't matter. What matters is that the system just works.

>>107984643
this
i don't know how big my boot partition is and i don't intend to find out

>>107982730
RH solved the desktop decades ago.

>>107984643
this. all my software is a flatpak, webapp or both. never noticed or cared about my internal storage use.

>>107984592
Yes I do you're just a wintard who happens to use Linux. If something breaks you're lost and you need your Windows like rescue mode.

>>107984814
There it is, the tinker tranny mindset. Looking forward to something breaking so he can "fix it," probably by straying even further from system defaults that will lead to more issues down the line. He doesn't care about having a working system because it doesn't matter if his computer works or not on any given day. So what's the use of a rollback to him? That would get in the way of his hobby of shooting himself in the foot.

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>>107984814
if you used my expertly crafted universal blue spin your system just wouldn't break in the first place and you could control your mouse with an xbox controller

>>107984814
People with jobs, families and hobbies don't want to spend time fixing their computers when they break even if they're perfectly capable of doing so. In work environments time spent fixing computers is time spent not working.

The only downside of atomic distros is that you can't spend your entire time tinkering with your system and act like you're superior to everyone else on the internet. But the only people for whom that matters at all is people who have literally nothing else going on in their life. Something went wrong? I'll just rollback and go on with my life. That's incompatible with the autist whose only interest is tinkering with computers but it's what everyone else wants from a computer. It's why they all hate flatpaks too.

>>107985052
>The only downside of atomic distros is that you can't spend your entire time tinkering with your system and act like you're superior to everyone else on the internet.
Well... github.com/ublue-os/image-template

>>107982730
its not that good the base images are missing a lot of shit you'd want.

i do think something like nix could solve linux but right now its a bit too complicated for easy daily use

>>107984981
Tinker trannies get the rope

>>107985052
This is why I use Pop OS. Not a single issue. Just werks. When I do want to on a dress and lipstick, I will fire up a VM and "tinker" with some ancient shit distro no one cares about anymore like Slackware.

>>107985316
>Tinker trannies get the rope
Even then they'll be annoying.
>"Could you guys hang me upside down just so I can be different from everybody else?"

>>107985346
Lol

>>107982730
Correct colour, but you mean Ubuntu

>>107985329
>Just werks
that's because it hasn't been updated in 4 years so nothing could even break

>>107986392
It was just updated last month and still works just fine. Cosmic has some bugs they are working on fixing but those don't really affect me. Everyone's mileage mag vary

>>107982730
>uninstalls linux

the only true solution

>>107986437
>Uninstall your brain
That's the solution to your problem

>>107986525
my brain is wetware, it'll just reinstall itself

>>107982888
american communist lawyers union. civil liberties is a rebrand of civil rights after that word was stolen to mean random privileges for women and blacks

>>107982760
>macos is not immutable
wrong
>windows is not immutable
>what is dism

>>107985052
Btrfs snapshots solve therollback problem without any of the immutable downsides. Like I said it's ok of you have no interest in computers and just want a locked down mactoddler experience but at this point why don't you just buy a Mac.

>>107986765
>Btrfs snapshots solve
I don't know where this sentence is going, but it's wrong.

>>107986926
btrfs is such trash and so irrelevant everyone forgets it existed. meanwhile bcachefs is kept out of the kernel tree because kent overstreet refuses to follow standards of bugfix/feature breakdowns

>>107987990
>bcachefs
doesn't even have support for swapfiles

>>107982730
cool cool
atomic Arch when?

>>107989814
github.com/bootcrew/arch-bootc
It appears to be maintained by a brazilian tranny and/or furry. Good luck.

>>107989847
I feel literally monkepaw'd

>>107984287
>flatpaks suck
Flatpak is the future

>>107989943
Happens to the best of us.

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>>107989965
it's bloated, creates random bugs, lower performance and not to mention that installing non official flatpaks is the same as installing aur shit.

>>107982730
>install it
>layer nvidia drivers into base OS
>reboot
>nothing will open b/c drivers are fucked
>reboot into previous image
>okay well let's try dev shit
>setup git
>create toolbox
>git pull
>docker compose up
>we use heckin' PODMAN her, pal
>okay whatever, podman compose up
>woah there boss, podman compose is just a wrapper for a real compose tool like docker compose
>okay then use docker compose
>woah bro, you gotta install that first!

You must install docker, on an immutable linux distro, to use the random shitheap container system they built into the fucking OS because why would they use what literally every god damned developer has been using to containerize since like 2010 when they can pick their tranny friend's gay reddit narwal shit... Amazing concept executed so poorly it's basically useless.

>>107990412
>layer nvidia drivers into base OS
But why? They come pre-installed.
>okay well let's try dev shit
Works on my machine.

>>107991675
>But why? They come pre-installed.
They don't.
>Works on my machine.
Docker compose doesn't unless you install it in every container (retarded), or install it at the OS level, which defeats the purpose of the OS? Same thing with vscode. Install it via flatpak at the host level and have no access to your containers, or install it in every container (retarded).

>>107990112
that isn't a flatpak bug nor is it a wine or linux bug.
that's a, MS game studio is full of incompetent shitters who can't handle long paths correctly.

>>107990412
>layer nvidia drivers
it's amazing how I can immediately spot a shitter and stop reading any greentext story with this one simple trick.

Go back to Windows. no one cares, nor asked.

>>107993441
>They don't.
Yes, they do. There's 3 Bazzite installers. One is for AMD/Intel, one is for nVidia, and one is for AMD/Intel but configured to be in Steam Big Picture mode. You only don't get nVidia drivers if you clicked on "I use AMD, not nVidia" when downloading the install image.

Yes I'm a big fan of immutable fedora based distros. They're almost retard-proof. I put bazzite-deck-nvidia on my htpc and it has been a better linux experience for that use case than anything else I've ever tried.

>>107993441
>Docker compose doesn't unless you install it in every container (retarded), or install it at the OS level, which defeats the purpose of the OS? Same thing with vscode. Install it via flatpak at the host level and have no access to your containers, or install it in every container (retarded).
Unironically a skill issue.

>>107993486
>There's 3 Bazzite installers
Hey ding dong, OP's image says Fedora Atomic, which Bazzite is based on, but doesn't mean just bazzite.

>>107993679
One of the main features of fedora atomic is to be able to rebase to a spin that has everything you need baked into it. Or create that spin yourself. You still need to do stuff to make your computer work the way you want it to. It's not magic. You don't just download an ISO that magically has a system set up specifically for your individual tastes and needs. You still might have to use your brain for a minute or two. VSCode has plugins for working with containers. Universal Blue spins have your drivers baked in. One command to install.

>>107993679
Why would you intentionally try to install a distro that doesn't support your hardware out of the box? This is almost as retarded as trying to install Windows x86 on an ARM device. If you're on nVidia you're supposed to install Bazzite or any of the other Atomic images which come with nVidia drivers.
Also, the fucking AI summary of Brave search literally guides you step by step on how to install the drivers properly without them conflicting with the default semi-functional ones.

I don't get what problem all these Atomic distros are trying to solve

>>107993887
If you had a hundred servers to maintain would you rather maintain each one individually or maintain a single image that each server pulls from?

>>107982730
I'm not using a distro called fucking fedora
Fuck off

>>107994058
I get it for servers and enterprise PCs
why would I want it for my desktop

>>107994252
>why would I want it for my desktop
Like you said, it mainly makes sense on enterprise desktops where you want preconfigured VPN's and internal software packages. For personal desktops it has fewer benefits. Gets you system level rollbacks (probably the main benefit), allows you to rebase to other atomic desktops (not many to rebase to atm), and makes the system harder for an inexperienced user to break (even though it's experienced linux users who most often break their systems)
The main benefit I see in the future is for little mini-spins of distros. You have a distro like Ubuntu or Fedora or something and then you create hardware specific spins. Instead of Ubuntu Desktop or Fedora Workstation, Ubuntu Desktop for Thinkpad T16 or Fedora Workstation for the Dell Whateverthefuck. Mini-distro spins optimized for specific hardware without the user having to do it themselves.