https://alexxcons.github.io/blogpost_15.htmlYou lost once again, faggots.
i3 isn't
>support both X11 and Wayland in parallelThat doesn't sound like a transition, why are you lying op?
>>107982820oh it's a "transition" alright
>yet another compositor to further fragment the Wayland ecosystem>rustxfce4 is dead then, long live minimal window managers
>>107982781>mention Xfce in a thread once>the VERY NEXT DAY they announce "generous donations" and making a Wayland compositor in RustYou better believe in coincidences, you're in one
>>107982781shouldn't it be called wfce then
>>107983128>yet another compositor to further fragment the Wayland ecosystemIt uses the same library as Cosmic and Niri though.
>>107983329Are they going to use the same extensions?The same xdg portal?If not: added fragmentation
>>107983386That's what the library handles, yeah. It's basically Rust wlroots. Have you even read the linked blog post?
>>107982781Meh, Xfce has been dead ever since they started moving to GTK3 after 4.12. It used to be cool once upon a time. It's already enshittified beyond repair, they can keep running it into the ground for all I care.
>>107982781Xfce lost, they will use all money on reinventing the wheel instead new features and fixes that should be introduced years ago. Fuck them, clearly part of tranny mafia.
>it will be written from scratch in rust
>>107983329Which sucks desu, idk about niri but cosmic has so many issues based on the compositor, especially when you Fullscreen shit
so where do we, the tech illiterate fucks, jumpt to, now that mint xfce is gonna suck (((even more)))?
>>107983504Xfce 4.12
>wayland is ... LE BAD!! because... JUST BECAUSE REASONS OKAY?!!
>>107983570Where's my global coordinate system so my shit can open the same way every time
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER XFCE IS NOW TRANNYMALWARE
>>107983614Haha wtf? You can't wmctrl position a window by matching the title?cmon gaylanders let's hear the excuse for this one
>>107983504MATE
>>107983614>>107984074I don't wanna be the "werks on muh machine" guy but it works on my machine guys https://manpages.debian.org/trixie/labwc/labwc-actions.5.en.html#CONDITIONAL_ACTIONS
literally the only good version of xfce is the last gtk2 release
>>107983504This will not have any visible impact for the tech illitirate user. In fact since most xfce desktops run wayland anyway due to some other dependency, so it will simplify your backend.
The good part about using debian with xfce is that when they eventually do release it, it will be stable. It will be ready about the same time as people stop arguing about it on /g/
>>107984159>unique implimentation that only applies to labwc
>>107984398this is why I love Debian
>>107984455Of course it's a unique implementation, it's not part of the wayland specification and there's no real reason to standardize it.
>>107982781so they realized their attempt of supporting both protocols in existing codebase ended up enshittifying the entire xfwm4, so they decided wayland support will be available as a completely new composer, isolated from the existing codebasei hope this also means they will revert all the changes they did in 4.20 for wayland
>>107983614Yeah, Wayland trades away global window control for security, so automation-heavy workflows got hit hardest unfortunately. At the same time, as Linux use gains popularity, a stronger baseline security model starts to matter more, which Wayland aims to achieve.
>>107983504TDELXDE/LXQtMATECinnamonCurious if Budgie is fucked or not.
>>107983504If you're tech illiterate, this literally does not matter, and if anything perhaps benefits people like you.
>>107983504I'm liking alpine linux with icewm.
>>107984683>LXDELikely stays X11, it's basically not actively maintained at this point. It still relies on GTK, which may be a problem in the future>LXQtAlready basically has Wayland compatibility as of release 2.3>MATESeem to have interest in going to Wayland but are really lazy and apathetic about it, unsure if they'll actually achieve it.No idea about the other two sorry
>>107984735>Alpine LinuxMeme. Use a real distro.
>>107984845such as?
>>107984852Ubuntu
>>107982781Will thumbnails in the file picker finally come to XFCE because of this?
>>107984888I liked lubuntu minimal install last time I tried it. No snaps, and felt the most polished lxqt
>>107984920Lubuntu's actually quite great, yeah
>>107984683>Curious if Budgie is fucked or not.Budgie is being re-made in QT.
>>107982781>unironically rewriting in rustlol
>>107982781>You lostWho? Wayland is one of the best things Linux has to offer, it even mogs windows and Mac in terms of security. I'm a big fan, as well as anyone with multi monitors and recent hardware.>>107982793You should switch to sway>>107983128No, the pposite that means xfce is alive and stays alive. Read the xfce roadmap they are very careful.>Linux and x11Sure you could argue that isolation shouldn't be necessary when everything is from a trusted source (your distro) and I'm not talking about 3rd party repos like the AUR. Wayland on windows, where you download random shit would be much more useful. But I really like the security aspect and by 2028 Wayland will be perfect with even more features, stop crying.
>>107984888Meme distro, install gentoo
>>107984852Fedora, Arch, Debian, Nix, Guix, Gentoo, LFS
>>107984983Wayland "security" is tacked on and doesn't do anything, you can achieve the same thing on X11 (in fact some patchsets/forks already do so like Xenocara)Only thing Wayland actually improves on is handling of windows, which it was actually built to do (but that X11 achieved near parity with it anyway, lol, lmao.)
Rust can't stop winning.
>>107984852macOS
Can XFCE4 finally get some animations?
>>107984905Such a high end cutting edge modern feature is reserved for a modern DE like GNOME. Dead and unmaintained DE like Xfce is probably like 20 years away from getting thumbnails in their file picker.
>>107985028Didn't know about those meme forks and extensions. What about multi monitor, smooth animations, game scope, vrr, HDR, low latency, tear free, waydroid... The list goes on and on
>>107982781This is not surprising, just disappointing news. I am finding it funny, because I just downloaded an Artix Xfce X11Libre iso. It makes me wonder just how much influence Xubuntu has on the Xfce team. I never really gave it much thought. It was always just the best DE I have ever used, and I always installed it as a backup whenever I built my system around xmonad w/ xmobar & dmenu. I just enjoyed it that much, for over 20 years. The longer I think about it, the more I am getting filled with a burning hatred towards all the faggots too stupid to deal with ``screen tearing'' which probably caused the vocal faggotry at Xfce to look into compositor replacement. Oh well, I am going to no longer care . . . Thanks for the feels, OP.
>>107985077hopefully never
>>107985105You can always choose to be happy that your DE is getting much needed attention but somehow you choose to be angry instead, what kind of retardation is this?
>>107985146A complete rewrite from scratch is rarely something to celebrate.
>>107985086>multi monitorWorks normal outside of refresh rate which I hear you can configure to work, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those things that just hasn't been implemented properly yet because Red Hat decided to shift the focus to Wayland>smooth animationsPicom>gamescopeWayland compositors can run atop X11>vrr I don't know what this is or does, sorry>HDRan implementation exists but was never merged (because of Wayland)>low latencyThink X11 might actually be better on this lol, lmao>tear freeImplementation exists, never merged (Wayland's fault again)Also picom again>waydroidSee the gamescope one, no Wayland program is truly Wayland-only when you can just run cage/weston on an X11 session and have it work out of the box. I've only ever used Waydroid on X11.
>>107985159Would you be happier if they continue on messing with the original Xfwm and inevitably fuck with what was once stable?
>>107985178Duh? Mutter and Kwin managed to modularize their code and separate out the X11 and Wayland backends. Obviously that's much less risky than a total rewrite and in a new language to boot.
>>107985223Did you even read the blog post? They're not rewriting anything, they're making a completely new compositor for Xfce.
>KWin>Mutter>Weston>Wlroots>whatever the fuck Niri usesWaylandbros we are fucking RETARDED
>>107984622Literal security theatreNONE OF THE IPCS ARE SECURE IN WAYLANDDBUS IS NOT SECURE
someone explain this
>>107982781>Brian has a strong preference to write code in rust over writing code in C.
>>107985264They even use the term "rewrite" in the post. Did you read the blog post? I'm not going to argue stupid semantics. A significant part of what xfwm4 will now be rewritten from scratch to accommodate xfwl4. This is rarely a good decision from a technical standpoint. I predict a mess.
>>107985086Xenocara is not a "meme fork", it's OpenBSD's display server.
>>107985341of what xwm4 does*
>>107985327>NONE OF THE IPCS ARE SECURE IN WAYLANDProof?
>>107983504icewm
>>107985086wayland is not low-latency. compositing intrinsically has higher latency than anything else.
>>107985341>Xfwl4 will not be based on the existing xfwm4 code. Instead, it will be written from scratch in rust, using smithay building blocks.>The first attempt at creating an Xfce Wayland compositor involved modifying the existing xfwm4 code to support both X11 and Wayland in parallel. However, this approach turned out to be the wrong path forwardYou must be retarded if you can't grasp these sentences.
>>107982781>from scratch>rustrust is a performance blackhole and I'm tired of people pretending it isn't. it enforces allocation patterns that are not good at all for performance. I know you can write more performant rust code but for some reason nobody does it, so here we are, stuck with essentially c++ and smart pointers
>>107985405Rust isn't that much slower than C++, do you fags ever get tired of being wrong all the time?
>>107984622desktop "security" is a joke, your machine is not being scanned by a sneaky CIA operator when you are sleeping, neither are they remotely trying to see what you do on your desktop
>>107985454As Linux grows in popularity, there will be more malicious actors coming about. Mac users used to brag about not getting viruses too, and then they got popular.
>>107985397Yes and I'm criticizing that decision retard. It's not hard to understand. This approach will result in a nasty amount of code duplication since xfwl4 will end up having to reimplement a lot of what xfwm4 does that's not specifically x11 or wayland related. "It's hard so I'm just going to do a total rewrite" is not a good decision.
>new wayland compwill i still be able to use my themes, window and mouse decorations in the future?>>107985397>>The first attempt at creating an Xfce Wayland compositor involved modifying the existing xfwm4 code to support both X11 and Wayland in parallel. However, this approach turned out to be the wrong path forwardwhy they ruled that out? would it be a security or stability nightmare if could be pulled?
>>107985454t. CIA nigger
GnomeCHADs stay winning
>>107985493What do compositors have to do with GTK themes?
>>107985478>code duplicationWhat duplication? They're not even written in the same language, how can someone be this retarded?
>>107985517pretty sure the mouse decos are x11 only
>>107985528Can you not be hung up on semantics for one second and actually comprehend the point being argued? I'm obviously talking about equivalent functionality (not specific to x11/wayland) having to be maintained in two separate codebases.
do people really not give a shit about wayland forcing you to suffer multiple frames of additional latency on top of shitty laggy USB keyboards + laggy webshit software + the response time of your screen? it's getting harder and harder to avoid. i feel like i'm going mad
>>107985556What I don't understand about xfwm4 is that it has separate theming alongside whatever GTK theme one uses. Its kinda inconsistent
>>107985562They don't really know what they are talking about or care to argue because they know deep down wayland a shit. They just need old to die and new to conform.
>users are happy with thing because it isn't following IBM shitification>thing gets taken over by IBM shills>thing gets re-written in Rust and is made to hard depend on systemd and waylandMan such cases. If you think this "developer" is legit you're a retard.
>>107985562I understand now why someone would defend ancient shitware from the 80s like Xorg, it's because they must be dumb as you.
>>107985562>can't you people ever argue the point?>>107985749>no, have a personal insult.Let's look inside:>We’d like to extend our heartfelt thanks to our generous supporters on Open Collective US and Open Collective EU for making this project possible!There you go. Follow that money.
>>107985565Sounds like you fell for the AMD scam, it works great on my Nvidia reflex enabled battlestation
>ngreedianot even once
>>107982781This is great news for me, Im getting fed up with KDE bugs.
>>107985796Have fun with all that delay lil bro
>>107985769>Open Collective US and Open Collective EU
>>107982820that's exactly what a transition means son. It means "slow transit". It's slowly transiting to be wayland only. This is the first step.
>>107985749I'm not even defending Xorg. I'm literally criticizing their inability to properly modularize code and make a wayland backend in xfwm4.
>>107985661Why did you guys switch from shitting out Red Hat conspiracy theories to IBM? Is it because Red Hat is too open source friendly it just makes you look retarded? You still look retarded BTW
>>107985858>He doesn't know IBM owns Red Hat>He doesn't know about the Red Hat's founder's shady "back story"Nice try attempting to deflect. Wanna talk about this: >>107985832Since it deserves more digging.
>>107985858IBM owns Red Hat...
>x11/xlibre will still be supported>lonng time utill they drop itsmells of nothing burgers in here
>>107985867>Since it deserves more digging.Already found a glow nigger.
>>107985883Can you keep your gossips in kiwitrans? This is a tech forum.
Every DE will eventually become Waytrooned. It's an inevitability at this point.Take the tiling pill, anons. Reject (((desktops))), optimize your experience.
it's over
>>107984455>Will somebody please think of the WM-hopping tinker-trannies?
>>107985870And? Explain exactly what IBM gains by making you abandon an ancient shitware from the 80s like Xorg
>>107985901>Can you keep your gossips in kiwitrans? This is a tech forum.Oh it's just gossip is it? The shady 501(c) run by some whore that can float between borders and gets 1,000,000 views for here TED Talk no one watched isn't interesting at all. Nothing to see here.They really hate it when you talk about their paid agents. Like this guy: https://github.com/znarf>I care greatly for open source software and I'm a developer like you!>This is why I am director of organization funding everything>look inside>2 modifications to React.js and uploaded some .php files someone else wrote to github>active since 2008 yet has done nothing but modify some textTotally legit.How about you fuck off and stop pretending anons didn't dig into everything before you fags came to shit up the board?
>>107985779you still have higher latency than no sync and no compositing
>>107985947Are you fags incapable of not talking about people for once? How did you contract this female brain parasite?
>>107985944The point is that nobody switched conspiracy theories. Whether you believe them or not is a separate matter. It's the same group of companies.
>>107985801Just Gnome it bro
>>107985967It's an acceptable tradeoff because I'm not retarded enough to be able to tolerate tearing
Reading email is hard. You should give me money instead. You should also let me manage all the money that's intended to be used for other people's projects.Sustainable open source! Fuck yea!
>>107985979The bot is beginning to flounder. lol
>>107985989It's a simple question, where is your answer?
>>107985990nyo~
>>107985996i don't have cerebral palsy, which means i find latency very irritating.i understand not wanting to see tearing in videos and games (which variable refresh rate solves without compositing, and scanline solves if you don't have VRR), but having a panic attack if you see tearing while dragging a window is incredibly retarded.
>>107986023For a group that proclaims to hate trannies you sure act like trannies a lot. Gossiping is a female hobby, why do you have female hobbies?
>>107986057>name calls>attempts to bury information>gossiping like a tranny>accusing everyone of doing what they're doingThey aren't sending their best LLM
>>107986099No no you're free to crawl back to kiwitrans and make another gossip thread like a pussy bitch, I simply don't want you to think that that's acceptable outside of your pussy bitch club
>>107986031I'm not the person asserting the theory retard. I'm literally just explaining that IBM owns Red Hat to you since you apparently didn't know this.
>>107982781Meanwhile, dwm is a complete WM that needs no updates and will forever support X11
>>107985996just enable tear free bro...
>>107986125Someone that doesn't know IBM owns Red Hat has no right to think they have any say in what is discussed on this board. Especially someone defending everything /g/ hated in 2016 (and /g/ was already garbage by 2026).I will continue pointing out Glow niggers ruining FOSS and calling Stallman a kike and Theo a dumb Canadian faggot and there is nothing you can do about it. Just like I will continue to bully Satania because Raphiel is bestgirl.It's time YOU LEAVE. FUCK OFF. KILL YOURSELF. GO BUG CHASE THE AIDS YOU DESIRE SO MUCH.
>>107986171Cry harder lil pussy
>>10798617110/10
>>107985565They simply wouldn't care even if they did notice. Windows 10/11 has insane latency and literally no one notices, not even the "pro gamers". I grew up with FlipQueueSize 0 so it's night and day to me
>>107985769Open Collective is a donation platform, there was talk recently on the xfce-dev Matrix channel that there was a lot of money sitting in the donations pool unused.There was a question of shutting it off, but apparently that cannot be done whilst there's still a balance on the account - funding Wayland development was floated as an idea (I think by Neal Gompa? KDE bloke) and so I guess that's what they've decided to do.I'm pretty sure Brian has worked on xfwm4 for a while and he shows up on wayland-protocol discussions so it makes sense he'd be the one to work on it.
>>107985849No one cares what you think, I certainly trust the actual maintainers over some random faggot on 4chan
>>107982781I use Xfce. Don't care either way.
>>107986352It's a pretty common sentiment that rewriting software is usually not a great idea. Hardly my own original opinion there.
What would be the benefits to the XFCE desktop with a wayland compositor?
>>107985944When the alternative it's being abandoned for is their own project? They have an obvious interest to have Linux abandon X11 in exchange for Wayland because while they own Xorg (how they managed to forced people abandon X11 in the first place), they also have their own OS and DE which would greatly benefit from having a display server built from scratch with the express purpose of integrating it into their systems primarilyAlso Wayland's almost as old as X11 was when it was made, it's shitware, one that hasn't even reached the peaks of X11 either
>>107986597Higher latency, which gives the user the impression that the computer is doing something intensive and important. This is a mark of software quality.
>>107982781Oh, nice, good for themt. Gnomester already using Wayland (without a single issue)
>>107986712post input lag test
>>107983217Yep. You are the only person who has ever mentioned xfce4 anywhere. Congrats on manipulating the Matrix.
Is this really all that surprisingLead dev's a red hatter and behaves like all the other cultists in that company
>>107986171he IS a kike tho.>>107986833>>107986607its not like x isnt abadonware and will be unsupported in the future. i mean, gtk and qt will move on,
>>107986885Xorg is abandonware, X is still alive in Xenocara and XLibre, and other toolkits exist other than Qt and GtkIn fact it's about time another move to a different toolkit happened, Gtk happened because Qt was corposhit, now Gtk is corposhit too, what's the point in staying?Also, X will never be abandonware as long as it's Wayland that's taking over, because as previously mentioned in this thread, X can run a Wayland compositor like a normal window (much like it can itself with Xephyr)
>>107985105This worked well.
>>107986943Internet newfags don't even understand the simple fact that there's been many X forks through the years, and the most popular ones always end up corpo abandonware.X will never die. Same as it ever was
>>107985328He's completely insane.
>>107986943does xen works on linux? xlibre is maintained by one guy, it wont go far or be taken seriously and they will keep on pushing wayland, until everyone is there. i couldnt care less, if it works, good enough, but wayland isnt as good as x for now, so it'll be a painfully slow process for everybody.>toolkitsi havent seen a good, vastly supported or maintained alternative.
why does no one use wlroots for these types of projects?
for me it's tcl/tk
>>107987123>does xen works on linux?It can certainly be ported over if it hasn't been already>it wont go far or be taken seriously and they will keep on pushing wayland, until everyone is there.Problem is, you're right and you're wrong. It is probably over given that most of the linux userbase now is okay with bending over to Red Hat despite the obvious implication that they'll just turn Linux into Windows eventually, community distros don't matter because they're all running corposhit under the hood, Linus himself doesn't care and the kernel is already corrupted. But XLibre is seeing successes, I myself am running it on my machine because it's explicitly better than Xorg already, and it actually gets code merged unlike Xorg that only sees bugfixes because they affect Wayland as well (because for now Wayland is worthless without XWayland)>i havent seen a good, vastly supported or maintained alternativeProbably because the good ones pretend to be Gtk
>>107987165There's plenty of compositors based on wlroots. The dev here just wanted an excuse to write shit in rust.
Good thing I use fvwm.
>>107982781>>107983217Is desktop Linux doomed?Arch Linux getting paid to use Rust, KDE requiring systemd, and now this... All within a couple months.How can anyone not believe in Embrace, Extend, Extinguish at this point? After this, what's left (other than WMs)? LXDE? Trinity? We're so fucked, bros...
>>107984735Sauce?
what do DE have that WM don't?why things like GTK don't matter when using a WM instead of DE?
>>107984398>>107984505life's good.
>>107987312DEs have WM plus whatever other nonsense they add on top, usually a file manager, a taskbar, viewers (images, pdfs, video), all encompassing settings menu, if they're big enough they even have their own browserGraphical toolkits matter then because all of those extras are going to be written in a single toolkit for convenience's sake; xfce is gtk, kde is qt, cinnamon is gtk, lxqt is qt, enlightenment is enlightenment, et ceteraWhen you use a WM you mix and match and only worry about the libraries weighing your computer down rather than maintaining uniform look and functionality
>>107987406so i can just use a WM and install whatever file manager and viewers i like and not even bother with xfce? and the only thing i'll miss is buttons not looking the same across windows and some retarded settings menu? is it really this simple?
>>107987514Simple in theory, in execution it means essentially making your own DE with what's available, and it often means configuring the WM yourself with a config file after you read its documentation, and also getting used to the new workflow and potentially less features because DE WMs tend to have more to themBut some WMs like IceWM or WindowMaker bridge the gap and act like DEs without the extra programs installed
>>107987602i'm not feature hungry, even xfce offers way more than i need, and configuring things shouldn't be an issuei really need to give this a spin, sounds promising, what wm would you recommend for someone who wants to try out the concept?
>>107987676Hard to say, depends on what you're looking forWMs like Fluxbox, Openbox, IceWM, WindowMaker give you the classic experience and they're usable by themselvesSome are more gimmicky and have things like automatic tiling of windows, big ones are i3, dwm, bspwm, qtile; but that's almost all they provide, I use bspwm and I had to install polybar to serve as a panel (workspaces indicator, clock, tray for background apps, volume and wifi indicator) and configure that separately from bspwm itself, and also rofi for a program launcher because without one you can't open anything in bspwm if it's not in the sxkhd's file keybinds (i.e. opening a terminal with ctrl-alt-T, but opening your browser by opening a menu and selecting firefox)
>>107987827apparently fluxbox is already installed and ready to go on my machine (mx linux), so i'll start there to grasp the general idea and move from there when i know what i'm actually looking forthanks for your inputs, anon, it's appreciated
how will this effect my xlibre/xfce installation?
>>107988015In 2-3 years it will stifle all development within the X11 version. Developers will claim no one wants to work on it. Then in time it'll get dropped all together. Then soon after that whatever distro you're using will claim it's a security exploit and unmaintained and stop packing it.Same way they always do it.
wayland drove me back to windows
>>107988076seems like every day i wake up to a new disappointment...
>>107985883unrelated but what are you using to make wikipedia use the old UI? I really hate wikipedia's new UI
>>107988076>claim no one wants to work on itDo you want to work on it? Then do. Nobody's stopping you from maintaining xlibre.
>>107984983>You should switch to swaynot the first anon but fuck off. i3 + xlibre supremacy
>>107988283>i3 + xlibre supremacyWhen I think of the power, money and influence of i3+xlibre users I shudder and piss myself out of pure jealousy.
>>107988254>no one is stopping you>try to announce my work anywhere>"YOU'RE A FUCKING NAZI THIS IS NOT ALLOWED ON THIS WEBSITE">try to package it for any distro>"YOU'RE A FUCKING NAZI WE CAN'T HAVE THIS IN THE REPO WE DON'T WANT TO PLATFORM A NAZI"
Why do trannies need to force transition everything around them?
>>107988450a variation of THISthese FAGMAN shits stick their dicks into these projects and spread the AIDS of their corporate culture to every naive little butthole in the open source world
>>107988450Show me where this happened to you? Surely you're not getting upset at imaginary problems?
>>107988688>dox yourselfFuck off.
>>107988688literally happened to the xlibre guy
>>107988733Just happened to the guy who did all the steamdeck support on Bazzite.
>>107988733Its happened to anyone that's tried to offer an alternative to the IBM cabal software. Every distro offering an escape is banned from all major tech news websites and discussion boards. Here they just shit the threads up like they're doing in this one. The only "non-systemd" distros allowed to be discussed are controlled op that replace PID1 and load all of systemd anyway.
>>107986820No but I am the only one who mentioned it in a thread about Gnome devs sucking corpo cock
I hate when Nazi's offer alternatives to what my corporate overlords want, really boils my blood
>>107982781Why fucking bother? Just use wayback.This is ultimately about dropping X
>>107988733And he's still able to host xlibre just fine. You can even get it in repos of some distros so what's the problem?
>>107983437Linux is ALL tranny mafia these days. It's the most transitioned dickless thing out there. Honestly Apple is looking like the most reasonable position to take.
>>107984735Alpine Linux is an explicitly transgender distribution
>>107988761>controlled op that replace PID1 and load all of systemd anyway.redpill me on antix
>>107985105CDE is mature and stableNsCDE still works despite all the sheep bleating that it's "unmaintained"
>>107988843nice deflection shitass, how's IBM's paycheck these days? not laid off yet?>>107988882elogind use is mandated. anything that claims to be anti-systemd but still uses elogind is controlled opposition.
>>107983504dwm or i'll learn fucking c and write something i like
>>107985351The last non-trooned open source OSWe need an explicitly fascist Linux distro
>>107985327>YOUR WINDOWS CAN BE BROKEN WITHA BRICK, IT DOESNT MATTER UNLOCK YOUR DOORSthen fix your dbus interface so that it doesn't accept arbitrary commands without authentication
>>107988925okay but their site literally says>antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy to install systemd-free and elogind-free linux live CD distribution
>>107988962my bad nigga i misread antix as artix.
>All of a sudden people care about XFCE
>>107989000>All of a sudden people care about XFCEPeople have cared all along, dicksmack. That's why it's still around.
Why not just fork XFCE?
>>107988945>explicitly fascistYour enemies are explicitly fascist, they're just not angry germans but occultist eunuchs
>>107982781so uh what does this mean moving forward. i use xfce on a 16 year old laptop would this butcher performance or something
I'm just going to end up regressing to FVWM and Motif at this point.
>>107989212No, it'll improve performance since you likely already have wayland running on the laptop due to other dependencies. There's a possibility that removing x11 will improve performance. More likely outcome is that nothing will change.
>>107988450Freaks like you deserve to be outcast, maybe try getting help instead of hanging out with people who want entire classes of people dead.
>>107989230oh ok nice.
>>107989242>you're a nazi because we say so!>t. If you don't castrate yourself and support my insane politics you're a nazi
>>107989248Don't listen to their lies. The same people pushing this shit claim you need to>get with the timesand buy brand new hardware. You are not using wayland. Since nothing requires it.
>>107982781xfeces once again trying to live up to its name
>>107989277Debian, Arch and Fedora all have wayland dependencies in their xfce desktops ootb. Unless you specifically went out of your way to avoid it, you are using wayland.
>>107989320It's just one false argument after another with you faggots. So it depends on some shit it isn't using at runtime, who cares? The guy asking the question is obviously running it on top of X11. A protocol that runs fine on a computer from the 1980s. You're telling him that he would see an improvement by chucking this working piece of software off his system. To replace it for something that isn't even written yet. That will no doubt be a slow piece of shit because it's planned to be written in Rust. Which will replace his working setup he's used for years with a broken setup that enforces vsync and can't even draw a mouse pointer without lagging all over the place. All from a "community" of people that openly say they don't want to support old hardware. So probably bye-bye to working drivers too.But you claim he's "using wayland now" because some package janny pulled in a dependency for some bullshit OP is probably not using. Since the wayland claim to fame for killer apps boil down to an Android emulator and some terrible application you don't need to play games. Which requires running X11 badly inside of a container anyway to function.I swear you retards are just one bad faith argument after another.
mouse bruds, it will be a long time before they abandon X support (it wont happen most probably), and if that happens, we know that wayland, their compositor, or whatever it is, will be good, stable and reliable enough. lets not worry over this matter, its time to be thankful!
>>107984258Most niggers here have already had their backends as simplified as they can get.
>>107989616false flag bad faith nigger
>>107982781I fucking hate wayland and rust with burning passion. sometimes I woke up at middle of night and couldn't fall back to sleep because of it.
>>107988851> Linux is ALL tranny mafia these daysNot true. The likes of Red Hat and Canonical aren’t beholden to the tranny menace, they’re just apolitical corporations focussed on providing good products and services.
>>107989510>it depends on some shit it isn't using at runtimeIt's probably running on xwayland
>>107991161But why? Did Wayland and Rust tag team raped your mom or something?
>>107982781What's the use of XFCE then? The design fucking sucks, Thunar and etc. simply boring and useless (while there's something called Dolphin).All they needed to do is making the theme darker and align a better icon set with the tray.Don't wanna burst a free, volunteer-driven project but I couldn't shake with that fucking GTK problems and the outdated design as a slightly idiot end-user. Sorry.
>>107991282because there are faggots like you. all of you fucking degenerates will hang at top of poles. two more week.
>>107982781>gaylandI was sending them a symbolic 20€ a year through opencollective as I use Xfce for 5 years. I won't give them even a cent after this.
>>107982781Wayland is buggy as hell!
Xfce is wm agnostic, even if they stop shipping xfwm4 you can use another Xlibre window manager.I have used it with xfwm4, openbox, labwc
>>107985322It's like that by design.Nobody wants to admit it but it's mainly because of Gnome and their retardation when it comes to standards.That way Gnome can be retarded without affecting anyone.
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>>107987306franks adventure. Not sure 1,2 or 3. Flash game. probably still there in swfchan
Is X still developed?
>>107991896IBM took it out back and shot it in the head
>>107983570yes, wayland is bad if you want to automate your system.there's a reason xdotools is good and ydotools is bad.the security that wayland prioritizes prevents you from fully controlling your system.it's a trade off that most people don't care about,for people who prioritize flexibility over security wayland is terrible.
>>107985449rust is slower than the annual improvements being made to cpus.switching to rust is like using a last gen cpu.
