Why hasn't everyone stopped using Windows by now? There are Linux distros that work very well tech-illiterate babies like myself
>>107983380>picrel>worksAnon, pleaseMint is what's keeping Linux behind>"Ugh I hate windows">"Use mint!!!">tears>no fractional scaling>no HDR>no pipewire>old buggy software that upstreams have fixed 3 years now>"Nvm windows iot works great"
>>107983380>tech-illiterate babies like myself>promotes operating system you should end your life
>>107983416This. Now, if we were talking about Bazzite then we'd be in an agreement.
>>107983820Most popular distros already have very simple setups though, no? All it asked me for mine was language, region, username, and I think partitioning settings. Maybe 2-3 minutes total
>>107983859The partitioning part is where things can go wrong. Without proper knowledge many people can end up formatting their whole drive and irrevocably deleting all their files. That would leave a sour first impression.
>>107983380>normies use windows because it came by default on their prebuilt (and replacing it sounds like sorcery to them)>prebuilts have windows installed by default because it's what normies use
>>107983898I wiped my whole SSD but I had a warning from both the site and the setup process itself that it would do so, so I already knew beforehand to back shit up.
>>107983416Most of these things will be fixed when they finally switch to Wayland. Debian 13 stable already did, that's how you know Mint is falling behind kek
>>107983380People drive to the store to buy a new PC to replace their old Windows 10 computer and they see no Linux Mint PCs, no Fedora PCs, no Ubuntu PCs, no Bazzite PCs, no Manjaro PCs. Everything is either Windows 11, macOS and ChromeOS, and they get one of those, become comfortable with it and stick with it for the duration of their computer's life.
>>107983966>NOT SO FAST https://system76.com/desktops/
>partitioning? scary I formatted my drive>wayland good>linux not by default, linux hard to findanother computercattle thread
>>107983380DO most people in the general public outside the tech scene even know Linux exists?
>>107983966The day linux is provided in public schools as the os to use is the day it will get wider adoption. But there isn't lobbying done for this on behalf of companies scoring huge government contracts. It will never happen. We had macs for classes with photoshop and windows for my solid works class in high school. You aren't going to see gimp and freecad in schools.
>>107983997They don't sell in retail stores where most people usually go to buy PCs. They don't even sell their computers at Micro Center. You have to buy them from their website, and to do that, you have to know their website even exists in the first place.
>>107983997This brand doesn't exist in normal stores. Any store you go into only has Windows PCs or PCs without an OS. And people are always told to get a Windows PC because they won't know how to install an OS.>>107984003Some do now due to SteamOS. But most don't. They only know PC=Windows and phone=Android or iOS.
>>107984011no gimp and freecad? actual uysefull industry software instead? on efficient apple silicon? the horror
>>107984011Why doesn't the government just switch to incentivizing Linux instead of MacOS? EZ
>>107984011>But there isn't lobbying done for this on behalf of companies scoring huge government contracts. It will never happen.It's already happening outside of the US. China, Russia and EU are all looking into replacing Windows and Linux is the current popular choice. China even effectively banned Windows from being used in businesses and schools. EU is slowly de-Americanizing and they're looking to replace Windows with Ubuntu.
>>107984040Solid works isn't exactly industry. Industry is catia. Solid works is babby software for tiny firms.
>>107984040Why the fuck would any grade twelve or under need more? Fuck, even MS Paint would be good enuff. Reminder that the music maker where I grew up was garage band
>>107984080I took a graphic design class in hs and we used illustrator for vector graphics and photoshop for raster. Solid works was a 3d drafting course and we had access to a cnc router, a plasma cutter, and a laser engraver. I'm 33 and 3d printing wasn't a big thing yet.
>>107984069well yeah but you gotta agree gimp is unacceptable shit. companies develop industry level paid software. people pay and expectfor free you can have your foss shit
>>107984110My point is that something like freeCAD would work for that. You aren't doing work for Lockheed Martin, you are doing first year college-level work at best. It's not that serious. Even Krita has photoshop covered
I really like Linux, but after 21 years of using it and showing my concerns that word-of-mouth advertising in obscure IRC chat rooms and Compiz effects are probably not enough to make the year of the Linux desktop happen, a lot of the Linux community still doesn't seem to have learned. They still believe the year of the Linux desktop can come spontaneously, just add the spinning cube to your desktop and the masses will come to it.I can walk through an entire Best Buy or Micro Center or Costco without seeing a non-Chromebook Linux PC. That's gotta change.
>>107984130No it definitely is. But reaper is good. Adobes liscensing practices make it horrible. Honestly though they should have mac os computers for videography, graphic design, etc, windows for just office, and linux for computer networking, programming/scripting, and general computer literacy. That all said you'd have to be a gorilla nigger retard to send your child to public school anymore and you really ought to do a homeschool co-op or at least a modified montessori private school. Home school co-ops are the way to go. Your kids won't have to associate with **those** people or be raised by a low iq state stooge. They'll only be associating with other kids with parents that actually love them.
>>107984041>why doesn't government do right
>>107984188The worse windows gets the more people will switch. Just let the jeet cook
>>107984011>>107984040>>107984080>>107984110>GIMP, Freecad, InkscapeThese are pieces of software you don't encounter until college or a specialized high school. And those ARE actually quite popular in colleges.Meanwhile, in the first 6-12 years of scool kids only work with:>an office suite>paint.exe>some simple .gif or video making software>extremely simple static website development using notepad.exe>tutorial-level programming languages like LOGO, BASIC, Pascal, Lua or Python
>>107984219Do you mean age 6-12 or 6th - 12th grade? I was making furniture with the cnc router of my public high school in 11th grade.
>>107984208Most people rarely use an operating system that didn't come with their PC. If the average person wants to ditch Windows, they'll probably buy a Mac and be done with it because that was the prime alternative that was presented to them when they went to buy a new computer. Linux's success will not happen spontaneously.
>>107983380Linux is not replacement for Windows.Specially for normies... average normie won't be running VM to have photoshop or any adobe shit.I love mint but it's far from anything optimal for normies.
>>107984264Does the average normie even know Linux Mint exists to begin with?
>>107984263Most people don't actually even use a computer outside of work. I talk to people constantly that own a phone and a video game console only. The people who do own a personal computer themselves are the ones who would be willing to abandon windows. IE gaymers. Mac is fine if you do photography or really want logic for your beep boop music. Windows has just been actively making life worse for years.
>>107984003>DO most people in the general public outside the tech scene even know Linux exists?Nope. I work in a huge electronics store and sell computers everyday. Everyone knows windows, everyone knows mac, some knows chromebooks but that's it. If we brought in a stock of pc's with linux installed it wouldn't sell at all. Nobody wants to buy the unknown.
I think the best solution is for these distros' devs to start putting ads out for their OS
>>107983997>>107984021>>107984024I never understood why System76 won't sell their computers in stores. There's such a massive opportunity right now as dissatisfaction with Windows 11 is at an all-time high and other people are looking to buy a new PC to replace their Windows 10 PCs that can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
>>107984309Similar experience for me working as a computer repair man. Many old laptops and desktops could have been salvageable with a Linix distro but there's no point even mentioning it to customers. >linux, what the hell is that? I want WINDOWS!Every single time I have tried. I gave up long ago and just do my best de-bloating windows for them.
>>107984288this is true too... yeah.
>>107983380I'm waiting for either Affinity or Photoshop to come to Linux. GIMP is alright for hobbyist projects but it's no replacement for professional work. There are reports saying that Canva is seriously considering porting the new Affinity to Linux so fingers crossed.
>>107984353MS might have an exclusive deal with most stores, and system76 is probably too poor to outbid a multitrillion dollar company.
>>107984411The biggest issue isn't really what capabilities Linux-built software has but the fact that companies will force you at gunpoint to use the same software as everybody else. Some people say they just use VM or layers but I would never risk that myself
>>107983380>Why hasn't everyone stopped using Windows by now? There are Linux distros that work very well tech-illiterate babies like myselfBecause every time I ask which Linux distro should I use, I get 10 different answers followed by a massive shitstorm consisting of people shitting over other distros.And in the end they just tell me to compile a build on my own and fuck off.Call me when there's a usable Linux that just works, that I won't have to troubleshoot. I just want to sit down in the morning, do my animations with Clip Studio, Blender and Davinci Resolve, listen to some music meantime, and after work I can play some non-demanding vidya.
>>107983416>>no pipewirePipewire STILL has pulse.min.quantum at a absurd low value which causes audio crackle for some people, api.alsa.headroom set badly so it causes audio crackle for some people, some issue where firefox causes audio crackles, and some unpatched issue where audio crackles.With pipewire the default Linux audio stack becomes ALSA on top of PulseAudio and JACK on top of Pipewire and you're supposed to code for this abomination.>inb4 you can fix itThis is a thread about linux for new linux users. Having to fix basic system functionality is archtroonery.
>>107984262First 6-12 years of school. So ages 6 to 18. This is entirely dependent on your country and school, but most schools don't really teach you anything above those mentioned things and everything else is just "the history of IT, computers and tech in general" and "how to calculate in binary".>>107984264An average normie doesn't know that Photoshop is an actual program and just thinks it's a verb used to alter a photo in Paint or in their phone gallery.
>>107984597All of the top ten on distrowatch work out of the box>they don't workWorks on my machine. I figured it out and I'm a retard, there is no excuse
>>107983380Because Linux is still too intimidating on account of gatekeeping autists and the over 9000 distros to choose from. If you want more people to use GNU/Linux systems, promote Ubuntu. It's beginner/normie friendly and is maintained actively by a legitimate tech company (not a collective of neckbeards and trannies tinkering away on a hobby thing). You need to give them a 'trustworthy' and professional and 'legitimate' avenue to get into Linux, Canonical provides that. The only way Linux can have any real sustained and legitimate growth is through centralisation. You may not like to hear that but it's true. Computers themselves didn't take off until they were centralised by Microsoft systems. Linux won't take off until it is centralised by Canonical.
>>107984597I'll cut through the crap and autism: get Ubuntu.
>>107984597>And in the end they just tell me to compile a build on my own and fuck off.man you can't even lie straight
>>107984718Oh yeah? I fucking bet I'm more retarded than you.
>>107983380Habit + ease of use + all the software and games you could be interested in just run natively, unlike Linux or even Mac where you have to go through extra hoops, often for software to not work properly anyway.tl;dr It Just Werks
>>107983416why are you just making up usecases for windows babbies who barely know anything about PC's in general anyways?>fractional scalingimplying they have 4k+ monitors or some other retarded resolution, usecase?>HDRnobody cares about this>pipewireMint ships with pipewire retard and it makes no difference for the enduser anyways>old buggy software that upstreams have fixed 3 years nowMint is using the latest Ubuntu LTS as upstream so stop talking out of your ass.If anything go complain to canonical
Meanwhile in another threadMint's default firefox is so outdated the filepicker doesn't support thumbnails.>>107985267
>>107983380Software compatibility is still a thing and some people use their computer for actual work.
>>107986959Most people work only in their web browser
>>107983380>>107985672Mint is shit and absolute meme distro, a complete downgrade from Ubuntu
>>107986979This, LMDE is the superior distro.
>>107986974then they better buy a Chromebook
>>107985672Because of this, I just drag and drop the file (no I don’t use flatpak browsers)To be fair its easier for me to do so on iOS as well
>>107986979>UbuntuActually managed to brick that.I opened Firefox mid update (forgot it was updating) and Snap somehow bugged out and I couldn't update it until I uninstalled.
>>107983939>just 2 more weeksNigger, Linux has had over 2 decades to get their shit together
>>107983380I installed Mint on my wife's computer after she kept getting windows crashes and complained to me. Fast, zero crashes, zero complaints. All she does is Youtube, Instagram, and save memes anyways. I think normies would actually like Linux more than tech people give it credit for. She has a custom theme and colors on it now. She doesn't game though so maybe other normies are different.
>>107983380>Derivative distro of a derivative distrogrim
>>107983380>Why can't people be like mee?!?!?No one want to be a faggot.
>>107984011Used to be more FOSS in schools in my EU country. Late 1990-2000s. Even have some old lesson plans for students to use early gimp/libre-office stuff. Then maintaining all the software became too expensive and labour intensive and boards opted for cheap big tech services and packages instead. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years this will radically change in the EU though.
>>107984011For teaching? In some places schools are using tablets these days. Good luck with tablets using Linux.
>>107983380Some of us are stucking using Adobe for work purposes.>but it works on Linux now!No it doesn't, it's still shit and it pisses me off. Adobe is probably the only thing holding Windows together at this point.
>>107987612And Visual Studio for those who need it.
I finally got out of adobe's bullshit so it wasn't locking me down. I switched to davinci resolve, and I can just use photopea for simple image stuff, and also I've been using bitwig for a long time now so no issues with that. the only thing holding me down right now is audio routings with voicemeeter, equalizer apo/peace eq, and cantabile, but it seems like linux has alternatives for those that I'll be checking out, and if those work then I'll finally be able to switch without missing any functionality
>>107987707I want to use a FOSS RAW photo editor but idk which one is the most lightweight or user friendly. Darktable looks like a pain in the ass and I don't know if RawTherapee is lightweight enough.
>>107983491Lmao
>>107983380>Why hasn't everyone stopped using Windows by now?Usecase for stopping using Windows?It just werks, better than Linux ever will.>muh ads, muh forced updatesYou can disable that.
>>107987795>You can disable that.
Speaking as a Linux (TM) user since 2004:There's a million Linux versions and they are all the same shitInstalling even the simplest Linux version is a 1990s themed nightmare The whole partitioning crap has to be automatic Bugs everywhereUgly and cheap lookingBasic office software buggedAdvanced technical and hobby software unavailable Broken on updates Still relying on command line for graphical interfaces in 2026All of it to save a hundred dollars on a windows license or whatever or two hundred on a second hand macbook I don't care since I only use computers as command line tools for database purposes But to the average user a Linux computer is not a computer in the modern senseHow to fix it: Pay a bunch of troons to create a GUI that works, drop all the freetroon libre shit and port critical office and hobby software until it works out of the box all of the time Until then buy a Mac for any complex computing
>>107987863>Installing even the simplest Linux version is a 1990s themed nightmareIn my humble opinion as someone who thinks most distros are awful, I thought installation for Ubuntu wasn't that bad. Just plug a USB and follow the instructions on a graphical interface.
>>107983380As a desktop, Linux offers me nothing that Windows cannot also do, and when it comes to software and hardware support, significantly less. Also if I want to develop something specifically for Linux, I have WSL2 with all the benefits and none of the downsides; specifically hardware support and a horrible gui (gnome or KDE).
>>107987863>The whole partitioning crap has to be automaticIt already is. I can't remember when was the last time I did any manual partitioning. Probably over 10 years ago. You just select a drive and click "next".>Ugly and cheap lookingThis is debatable. It's not like Windows 10 didn't look like some shitty UI project some random child made in Paint. Plasma 6 and GNOME 40 look much better than it. Even macOS was ugly for most of it's lifespan despite what Applefags claim.>Broken on updates Not an issue in immutable distros. SteamOS, Silverblue and Bazzite never broke for me.>Basic office software buggedCan't say I care. I haven't used this software extensively every since I got employed.And it's not like Microsoft Office was ever any better. I remember it being dogshit, slow and buggy back when I used it.Besides, WPS, Google Docs and OnlyOffice are perfectly fine. If anything most schools and businesses have jumped to Google Docs which is a browser app.>Advanced technical and hobby software unavailable You can say this about any platform.>Still relying on command line for graphical interfaces in 2026False. The only command I ever typed into my non-work computers is a single line related to setting up my very specific VPN. That's the entirety of my bash_history, just 1 line.You never need to use the CLI unless you're an advanced user who would use a CLI anyway. So this is a non-complaint.>Speaking as a Linux (TM) user since 2004Honestly it sounds like you're still stuck there and haven't realized how good Linux got in the past 5 years alone. It is a noticeably better experience than Windows 10/11.
>>107983380when you can do this with every windows program/game on linux, then you'll probably going to see more people using it.
>>107988339XNView MP via deb or appimg
>>107984640I added sound to a program and I just used the ALSA API. Worked fine on Nigbuntu with Pipewire.It also wasn't anything crazy though, just plain stereo sound.
>>107983380Windows and macos work for me. I would try linux on the desktop if there was the native software support for ableton and lightroom.
>>107988339It's not like it's a good UX lol
>>107983380If I'd stayed on Mint I wouldn't have lasted a year on Linux.The most braindead tech-illiterate friendly distro is Fedora KDE Plasma unironically
>>107989425>Can't have any proprietary files>browsers can't play webms by default>Nvidia cards are gimped until fixedHow
>>107984411now the adobe suit actually works. only wait until they submit the new feature to wine upstream.watch this video for more info:https://youtu.be/i9Qp5XiO3vo
>>107983416No HDR is the biggest issue for me with Mint right now.It's so close to being a perfect Windows replacement, it just needs that last little bit.
>>107983380because of photoshop o algo
>>107983997>$1500 for a PC with integrated graphicsI know the prebuilt market was bad but holy fuck I get that it's not even a gaming PC but you're not even getting a two year warranty of a TB of storage with that.
>>107989460>Wine>actually worksWorks* with an asterisk.
>>107989512https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaTvRDsdy0sits easy as 1,2, Z
>>107983380Only reason that Linux is not used is because Windows is preinstalled. Linux is also preinstalled or installed because there was no software, on most of the servers, network hardware, ip-cameras, train/hospital/airtraffic etc. systems. Whole world runs Linux from space to underground. That's it. Everything else is just brain damaged meme talk. /thread
>>107983416You forgot that it looks like shit
>>107988339There's already an infinitely easier way which normies prefer and it's called an "App Store". Linux had those for years, it's clearly not the problem.Appimages also existed for years.The real answer is this >>107989618 . If the Steam Machine was mass produced and was available in all general and tech stores across the world you'd actually see Linux market share increase. Normies just use whatever OS is pre-installed.
Macbook + iPhone + Playstation. Kill yourself if you can't afford these, fuck troonix fuck jeetdows
>>107983380Does it run Office? Photoshop? Old games not on Steam? CAD softwares?
>>107991967Yes
>>107983380No Photoshop.No, I'm not gonna use gimp or krita.Seethe, mintranny.
>>107983380Because there are vast numbers of people who Terry Davis described as nigger cattle.They're too fat and retarded to use anything but windows.
>>107983416>mint is what's keeping linux behind You're so close anon, so desperately close yet so far.
>>107988339>he doesn't install irfanview via scoopuse jpegview insteadt. linux/windows user
>Hobbyist retard: "WHY HAVEN'T PEOPLE STOPPED BEING PRODUCTIVE AND STARTED USING MY TINKER TOY OS"
>>107991689i know there is an app store, but for whatever program that doesn't run natively on linux, there's always some tinkering with wine, wine version, libraries, proton, lutris, which i am already bored talking about now.I definitely would have had more experience if i started with linux preinstalled instead of windows with my first laptop in 2006-2008, but i tried several times linux during the last 2 years (open suse, mint, zorin) and it was always problems with audio, wifi constantly disconnecting and again wine. now i am back to windows 10 (ghost spectre) again because it just werks.i'm not a complete idiot and i know how to solve basic problems with my pc whenever they happen, neither i'm not a lunatic that has to memorize everything about a pc before actually using it.i am not the target audience tho, i only pirate.>>107992675i don't even know what scoop is to be honest and i don't want to know. i installed it with an executable and it works, so what's the problem?
