Friendly reminder that C was once seen as a dumbed-down-for-the-masses language. Today’s “smart people” were yesterday’s midwits.
Nowadays the smart people are Rustaceans.
>>107984352>t. seething since 27 years and countingyou *will die mad
>>107984352kek.to be fair though, stack based langs were doomed to fail anyway. it's just not a good way to repr how modern computers work."real world" forth looks like absolute dogshit.
>>107984352>Today’s “smart people” were yesterday’s midwits.unironically true since the axial age
>>107984352language is a mere tool. C and C++ might be sucking but that's what driving your shittop right now. honestly I can't wait to learn fundamentals (C/C++/design patterns/lisp) and hop onto webdev bandwagon. web replaced mobile and PCs ages ago and it's a really much rewarding platform overall because of UI, networking and so many use cases. people just don't give a shit about offline software anymore.
>>107984352>The smart individuals write drivers. The less bright do production code.
>>107984715Webshittery has been solved by AI, it’s the only field with low enough quality/expectations that it can happen
>>107984352Typeless languages are for midwits.
>>107984999For me it’s ATS
>>107984352yes and we are the children of that. and we will be damned if we let a bunch of transexuals push us out of the programming industry.
>>107984715>web replaced mobile and PCs ages agoand in what languages do you think your kindergarten toys are written in, smarty boy?>people just don't give a shit about offline software anymore.enough people do care so retards can throw shit on the walls and nothing breaks.there will NEVER EVER be a hardware => assembly => python/java/js pipeline, you need the Chad(++) middleman that will do 99% of the heavy lifting.I, for one, am glad that AI are replacing devs, most are utter dogshit at their job anywyas and would have been more useful 100 feet under mining coal or dead.there will be Chad, Chad++, maybe a few rustroons and the rest will be Claude instances to do the grunt work in languages for inbreds like java, js or ruby.
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>>107984352> Opinions expressed herein are solely my own> and may not reflect my opinion at this particular time or any otherEven in 1998 these language purists were still retarded.
>>107984352C is dumbed down because it encourages sloppy code.>>107985145>there will NEVER EVER be a hardware => assembly => python/java/js pipeline, you need the Chad(++) middleman that will do 99% of the heavy lifting.Lisp machines did that in hardware and there are processors for Java too. C/C++ are unneeded. They could be replaced by 0 lines of code.
>>107985502>Lisp machines did that in hardware and there are processors for Java too.are the lisp machines with you in the room? you should take your meds, no one cares about your imaginary machines>C/C++ are unneededwhere can I get a lisp machines to replace my x86 computer?>They could be replaced by 0 lines of code.yeah but that's not the reality you're living in, theorical machines that barely existed 60 years ago don't matter...what next, you want ternary hardware because some papers decades ago said it was better? who gives a fuck, they don't exist therefore don't matter.
>>107985582>whatever big tech does is the best possible thing and nothing could or should ever be betterInteresting philosophy. I don't agree with it though.
>>107985772>whatever big tech does is the best possible thing and nothing could or should ever be bettersays who?>I don't agree with it though.it does not matter what you agree with or not, lisp machines, however good they are on paper, don't exist, why should I factor them in when talking about programming on x86 machines ?
>>107984352So cniles were yesteryear troons?
>>107985502You're not going to get competitive performance without a layer of software that's really precise about memory. Can be C or C++ or Rust or a sexp-based macro-assembler but it's not optional.
>>107984532Kill yourself, worthless nigger
>>107986200>software that's really precise about memory.Which excludes C and C++.
>>107986234Why are you rustniggers so in denial of reality? There will never be a usable physics engine made with rust, there will never be a kernel made with rust, there will never be anything useful made with rust, because its a dogshit meme language and the only reason you think otherwise is because a youtuber told you to.
>Forth is a stack-oriented programming language >stack-oriented>stackhello stack overflow
>>107985502>Lisp machines did that in hardwareLisp machines absolutely did not do that. Their low level was very different from Lisp. The overwhelming majority of their extremely limited userbase had no idea what it looked like, and the prevailing attitude by Symbolics was "Why do you care? That's not for you."
forth is retarded lol
>>107987585You’re retarded, Murray.
>>107984352only retards trying to sound smart use the word individuals like that
>>107985145being this insufferable must hurt, AI can't even come up with a functioning hello world page without getting a seizure, have fun using the most useless applications
>>107984352>Friendly reminder that C was once seen as a dumbed-down-for-the-masses languageIt's still a dumbed-down-for-the-masses language.
>>107987503>Lisp machines absolutely did not do that.Correct.>Their low level was very different from LispAmusingly enough it was probably closest to Forth.>The overwhelming majority of their extremely limited userbase had no idea what it looked likeThis is probably not true. You could see the assembly quite easily in both the breakpoint debugger and inspector. Very few lisp machine users actually wrote assembly for those machines though, as Lisp, C, and Fortran were all quite performant (by the standards of the day and capabilities of the hardware). But they certainly knew what the underlying instruction set looked like, and knew that it wasn't Lisp by any stretch of the imagination.
>>107984352don't care still writing C
>>107984999You're non-white.
>>107989662Masturbating to type theory is a pastime enjoyed exclusively by white transvestites.
>>107989662I'm whiter than you.
>>107989662You're not ready for ACTS now, but in 20 years, ACTS-based languages will be the norm.
>>107984721both are mid
>>107984352Don't careWhy would I care? Is it because it's not a memory safe? Don't shove me that shit into myself and also fuck you
>>107991056No the opposite, C was safety scissors for the mentally handicapped before Rust was.
>>107989646Sure you are Prajesh from CS50
>>107991099>t. lisptranygood luck writing anything of size in asm>>107991103>calls people jeets for using c>meanwhile, actual jeets...
