penis lmao

>>108002314
I want to die bros

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By 2030 there will be no jobs
the permanent underclass will exist solely to provide training data to the llms and scroll reels until they die

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Alright, apparently I can’t be sued that easily, which I’m glad about. The worst case scenario is getting fired, unless I’m doing something actually criminal
If what they said is true, I might stop the avatarfagging, but I’m still going to shitpost here

>Kerry
>Kathryn
>Ashleigh
>Carmen
Nearly all of my applications have been rejected by a fucking WOMAN.

>>108002566
Not just any women, middle aged American women. The greatest enemy to the white race right after Indians

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how do i go from greasy linux wizard to employed webshitter

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Hundreds of millions of indians heading to me country thanks to Ursula von der Leyen and Modi

>>108002517
>You're 23?
>and you have a bachelors from a university... that shut down 10 year sago?
>So you graduated college when you were 13?

>>108002601
Ostensibly you would need to be hired.

>>108002476
I think we are decades away from AI taking any real job

>>108002622
i can work minimum wage (in eastern europe) for like a year i dont even care
what would i need to learn? i think i have a good understanding of programming conceptually and would become useful in a few months especially with llms since i've embraced them

>>108002655
Go from conceptually to practically and you should be good to go.

>>108002669
i mean yeah i guess i want to get program architecture and data structures down and it's smooth sail from there but i've never kept up with meme frameworks so i dont know what would i need to get comfy with

>>108002655
>what would i need to learn?
At the very least a few tech stacks that are popular within the industry you plan to get into.
In most places it is basically a necessity to have a certificate of some sort that says "this guy actually went somewhere and did something and isn't just lying". That doesn't have to be a university degree (though that helps), but a trade qualification if your country has that can be enough (bonus you get money when you do that). No idea how it is in eastern europe though, some places you don't need certificates at all, others without a piece of paper saying "i studied this" you don't even get to introduce yourself.
If you actually want to get any good, you want to look up what people at a good uni learn for the subject you want, and then go through that course material.
>i think i have a good understanding of programming conceptually
Issue is this statement is meaningless. You could be a savant who has a super good understanding and say this, or you could be a guy who did two "hello world" python scripts and say it. There's no way to know which you are. "I'm good at programming" is meaningless unless you made some actual complex projects because you have no idea what you do or don't know yet.
I'd have said "I'm decent at programming" when I finished school (I wasn't), when I finished my bachelor (I was okay, but still with big knowledge gaps), when I finished my master (I was okay, but still with too little understanding of plenty of fields. Now I'd say I'm okay, but I'm sure in a few years I'll look back and say I was wrong.
>and would become useful in a few months especially with llms since i've embraced them
Be very careful with advertising that to a potential employer. They may assume you know fuckall depending on their positon on LLMs. Always try to explain you are competent on your own, you can still use LLMs to increase productivity after. But if you say "the LLM fixes my knowledge gaps" it makes you sound uneducated.

>>108002702
>"the LLM fixes my knowledge gaps" it makes you sound uneducated.
i should rephrase
i've stopped googling for stackexchange questions and i let chatgpt or claude do it for me
i guess certs would be good, i am a math undergrad though so maybe that'd be enough

>Get a Bachelors degree in Computer Science
>Grind leetcode, hackerrank, coderpad
>Do personal projects
>Learn frontend development, backend development, mobile development, machine learning, devops, cloud infrastructure, data structures and algorithms, all the latest and greatest frameworks, every programming languages and technologies
>No jobs
>Get a Masters degree in Computer Science
>Repeat the same steps
>...
>No jobs + outsourcing + AI improvements
No refunds, thanks for playing.

>>108002681
>>108002702
>i want to get program architecture and data structures down and it's smooth sail from there
That actually sounds decent.
Still my advice is go to a website for a uni where you live (preferably one of the good ones). Chances are there's a pdf you can download for the major you're interested in that specifies the modules you'd have to take if you attended.
Work yourself through those, skip what you already know (if you can see their old tests even better, because you may think you know stuff when you don't) and learn what you don't and think is relevant.

Some examples from my coursework (CS bachelors degree) which you shouldn't skip (unless you already know it)

functional programming (basics, you likely know this already)
maths (you won't need to do all the maths modules, but you want the basics at the very least)
algorithms and data structures (You 100% do not want to skip this one. Arguably the most important basic module imo)
software engineering (At least the basics, but more is better here)
information management

These are just the basic ones you need for any field, then add what you can for your specialty. AI, parallelity, cryptography, cybersec, distributed systems, hardware integration, robotics, webshitting

>>108002722
>i've stopped googling for stackexchange questions and i let chatgpt or claude do it for me
Yeah I figured as much. Basically everyone does these days, and that's fine. Just be careful with stating it to a potential employer, you always want to signal to them "I can do all this by myself and well, but I could use an LLM to get it done faster", not "I can use an LLM to do this"
>i guess certs would be good
Certs, an apprenticeship/trade (no idea what it's called where you live, but it's below a master, but still a form of training, you get paid while you do it), or you can also look into a integrated degree program. You get paid, you already get experience AND you get a degree.

>>108002722
>>108002769

>i am a math undergrad though so maybe that'd be enough
That's actually huge and you can leverage that. I have a friend who studied physics as a bachelor, then added a CS master on top. You need to repeat some basics, but it's doable. If you studied math already it means you have the basics down and probably all it takes for all the formal logic courses and shit. Essentially you're just learning patterns and some new syntax on top. Definitely mention that if you finished that degree, it's a big competitive advantage. I know plenty of guys who did the maths->CS jump too, studied and got a maths degree, now work in software.

>>108002755
Don't be american and this issue is far less bad.

Is hacking a company for the express purpose of showcasing my security knowledge a good way to apply to said company?

Reminder that unemployment Indians are not unemployed tech workers because they never had the knowledge or skillset to achieve real tech work

>>108002755
You can’t learn all of those things. You sound shallow as a puddle with no real applicable knowledge.
Explain your real world applicable devops knowledge and what business need it solves

>>108002476
I am 56 and retired. I hope this mass unemployment allows me to hire a clean-cut white young guy to be my home healthcare aid and assist me with bathing and dressing and things like that.

>>108002755
>Learn frontend development, backend development, mobile development, machine learning, devops, cloud infrastructure, data structures and algorithms, all the latest and greatest frameworks, every programming languages and technologies
Also if we aren't memeing, this is a bad move. Do not learn everything. Spend your bachelors degree finding out what you are actually interested in and good at and then specialize in one thing really well.
"I know the basics of 50 frameworks" is functionally useless to me as an employer. "I'm really good at increasing performance through parallelism for large datasets" is a value add and something that makes you unique. Be good at distributed systems. Be a savant at network infrastructure. Have a good understanding of data management. Have a understanding of LLMs and neural networks beyond a 101 course.
Basically "be good at something" is worth more than "be able to do anything".

>>108002755
>Don't be American and this issue is far less bad
I'm not American and this is a global phenomenon.
>>108002804
>>108002826
It's a joke. My point being is that there are people out there that grind and do all of these things and can't find a job simply because there are factors out of their control.

>>108002834
>and can't find a job simply because there are factors out of their control.
I suppose if you're just venting, then go ahead, that's kinda what these threads seem to be for.
But I think there's a shitton of doom and gloom that's unwarranted. Truth is the 100k starting salary for writing test cases wasn't sustainable. The market is looking shit right now, I'm not pretending otherwise, but that's normal, things ebb and flow. CS skills aren't becoming useless anytime soon. I suppose third worlders coming to your place and working for poverty wages because their reference point is a shithole is a real threat to wages in the sector and here to stay, but most of the other strategic issues are temporary (economy, even LLMs).
My suspicion is that most people who "grind" but can't find anything are doing it wrong. Grinding in itself isn't valuable unless it's properly directed.
>I'm not American and this is a global phenomenon.
It's not in the same magnitude as the american issue in many other places, people just read it on twitter and assume it's a universal thing. The american tech sector had a gold rush, they are course correcting, as a result I'm willing to believe things are BAD over there. A combination of LLM pressure on junior positions, H1Bs and general economic pressures is devastating for their CS sector (from a worker point of view). In places like europe the H1B and LLM pressures are much lower, so really it's mostly the generally bad economic situation, which you have in most other jobs too. Anyways it changes nothing, either continue to get better than the competition so you get picked, or if you are introspective enough to know that's not happening, find something else. It'd be the same issue in many other jobs.

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>>108002601
Nice choice, since you’re dodging the actual shit like infra. Most self proclaimed linux wizards go into infra and get destroyed
>>108002655
Most companies don’t care if you’re using LLM, as long as you can deliver. But don’t say you fully embrace LLM for things you don’t understand. Just say that with the new technology, you can quickly fill gaps in areas you’re new to so you can learn faster on your own. But you don’t just depend on it, since there are other sources of knowledge as well and don’t forget to mention about communicating with your colleagues thing

>>108002562
what are you talking about

>>108002785
i'm a CS first person and i'm just finishing my 1st semester and i have to say math is really really not as formal as i've expected and math basically skips implementation entirely which is like half if not more of what CS is about
thought i'd may be able to get a job when i start the second year (3 years for bachelor here) since a lot of people do that and 1st year is mostly to filter like 1/3 to half of the people
>>108002991
thought companies would rather hire people who use AI because blackrock told them to
>>108002769
i dont really know how courses work, i know i need to finish certain courses and also get a certain amount of ECTS but i dont know if i can just take random CS courses
i could try to do something like have 2 majors at once but i dont know if that's something people actually do with real degrees or just meme ones where you can afford to

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been outta work for 2 months but finally got a couple interviews lined up for next week

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>Applying to job
>company replaced their application form with an AI chatbot
>its fucking asking me basic shit like my yoe, location, and if im able to work on site
>except it does these one question at a time and it takes 5-10 seconds for the AI to "process" my response after sending it in
>there's no option to fill out a form, you HAVE to apply through the chatbot


>Company has 10k+ employees on linked in
>never heard of them, can't figure out what they do
>it's some "AI consulting" company
>all of the leadership are jeets


>reposted 2 days ago
>over 100 people clicked apply

I am a subhuman excess male. I will never see a naked breast in real life. I am a 37 year old virgin and my penis has started to not work.

>>108002817
You'll only be willing to pay for a migrant that steals from you and beats you. It's the grave you dug for yourself, enjoy.

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>nail final interview
>get a call the next day, they want to move forward and recruiter is submitting an offer to higher ups for me
>tells me to expect to hear back early the next week
>fast forward to next week
>no offer, recruiter emails me saying that it's been delayed
>fast forward another week
>still no offer, email recruiter asking for update
>fast forward three days
>you are here
>radio silence
There's no way they would just ghost me after all of that... r-right?

>>108003576
>Recruiter
Those freaks stop talking to you the second they realise that they're not getting a commission. I wouldn't be hopeful.

>>108003576
they were "keeping you lukewarm"

>>108003616
>>108003670
She specifically said she was submitting an offer for me though...
Sure she wouldn't just lie about that, right?

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>>108003713
>>108003576

>>108003713
Did you talk to a third-party recruiter or an employee within a business? Recruiters are the middlemen between candidates and businesses. They don't have any hiring authority other than to screen and make sure you're not a lunatic. When they say they're passing your offer/profile/application further up in the chain, you completed THEIR hiring process, but you still got to follow the businesses' own processes.

>>108003824
And just because the recruiter forwarded your profile to the business doesn't mean you will actually get through to the next stage. They can still decline and reject you. Don't get your hopes up yet until you have a written legal binding offer.

>>108003824
She is an employee with the hiring company, not third party.

>>108002566
interface with the male executive or hiring manager, who has the final say in the process, not the HR roastie.

>>108002314
If you're not busy working hard on a side project get ANY job, trust me, wailing away ruins your mind.
Avoid ALL vices, become a monk while you're out of a job, life saver.

how are indians straight from some shithole village with minimal education a threat to western educated employees? Different standards? Didn't Blackrock and co. stop with diversity stuff?

>Make it to second round for some start up
>Start losing interest because there must be something wrong with them if they want me for a second round
Is this what it's like to be a woman?

>>108003265
Sorry for the delayed answer
>and i'm just finishing my 1st semester
In that case give it time. I don't know if it's the same where you live, but math for the first semester is essentially a repeat of high school math. The actually interesting stuff you usually have in math 2 or math 3. That being said CS math (even 1) starts more foundational than many other "applied" maths in engineering courses. In that way it's closer to mathematician's math.
>math is really really not as formal as i've expected
Maybe that's a local quirk then. In my uni the CS and math students had math 1 together. The math students had additional math modules, but the basics were the same course. In engineering you'd have a applied math module instead.
>and math basically skips implementation entirely which is like half if not more of what CS is about
Arguably math at a uni doesn't try to teach implementation and it shouldn't. The point of that module is theoretical foundations, the application is done in other modules. But some schools do teach application as maths so it's probably a regional thing.
>thought i'd may be able to get a job when i start the second year (3 years for bachelor here) since a lot of people do that and 1st year is mostly to filter like 1/3 to half of the people
1st year is hard unless you have connections or get a position within the uni itself. First 2 semesters are retard filtration, you're right about that. Once you have that down finding a job for poverty wages just to get some experience gets much easier. Sounds like a good plan, do keep an eye out though, applying is free so if you find something earlier that's just a bonus. If the free market doesn't take you, first do some uni internal shit where you do some busy work for another department (some research departments always need some basic software for demonstrators and shit) and leverage that as experience to switch into a free market position later.

>>108003265
>i dont really know how courses work, i know i need to finish certain courses and also get a certain amount of ECTS but i dont know if i can just take random CS courses
>i could try to do something like have 2 majors at once but i dont know if that's something people actually do with real degrees or just meme ones where you can afford to
Be aware that anything I say regarding this is based on where I lived, and may be different where you live. I have no idea how standardized bachelor degrees are.
The way it worked for us was that you can take any course you want as long as you are an enrolled student (does NOT have to be for the right major). You can do them as "studium universale" or "free choice" modules. Do their tests, collect the certificates. Then contact your administration help desk for your major and ask them to transfer these modules. They'll do a review if they are identical or similar, and transfer them if they are.
This means you can study maths, but take some econ or cs courses on the side. Then when you are done with maths you can enroll as CS student and already have the courses you did before checked off. Also you can probably get them to transfer your math math grades to CS math exam grades as yours were likely harder. That way you'll just have to add one semester with a few modules at the end and have 2 degrees.
Also even if you don't want to switch majors you can do additional modules and have them displayed on your final certificates. So you could have a maths degree with a list of CS modules you also did (plus grades) and then mention that to an employer. How well that works depends on your local customs.

My advice with courses was primarily if you wanted to self-teach yourself, because many of those people will think they understand concepts but without the guide a of course they tend to be too high level in understanding.

Your university should have a help desk of sorts, make an appointment there, they can explain the details.

>>108004025
Look into how H1Bs ACTUALLY work.
Basically they come to the west and get a visa __which is dependent on them working__.
This means they can only stay as long as they work.
Also they are used to bad wages, so a shit wage for a westerner is a good wage for most indians.
Now the employer gets a worker who accepts a lower wage and, most crucially, if you don't like him you can fire him and he gets thrown the fuck out of the country. This means he'll do whatever it takes to not lose the job. You essentially have a giant leverage to pressure them.
Now of course the average westerner is likely better than the average indian h1b immigrant in their skillset.
But if they take half the salary and you can make them work like slaves because whenever they start slacking you can throw them out of the country, then they're a sweet deal for the employer. If you're a smart employer just hire a bunch of H1bs which you use as slaves and then some qualified western senior devs to tard wrangle them so they don't ruin your product.
It's the most efficient way to run software right now.
In short: Are they as good as a westerner? No. Are they good enough that with the low pay and slave labor they are worth it? yes.

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It's better than nothing right

>>108004195
wtf h1bs are based after all!?

I have a technical interview for an internship (Node.js) at Tuesday
any advice? this will be my second interview ever

>>108004222
Is this like ITT Tech but for the 2020s?

>>108002897
>>I'm not American and this is a global phenomenon.
>It's not in the same magnitude as the american issue in many other places,
Ok, Will Stancil. The market is bad worldwide.

>>108003713
>wouldn't lie
>she
Oh, sweet summer hetero...

>>108004025
Why would HR hire a junior dev with a bachelors and 2 yoe when akshit pradesh (aged 24) from india is a senior with 10 yoe and a masters in cs from shitdeek university?

>>108004025
>how are jeets [...] a threat to western educated employees?
Lrn2/Capitalism/
>Pay American $30/hr + yearly Cost of Living raises
vs
>Pay Jeet idiot that is trying to get out of their DESIGNATED SHITTING HOLE $1.00/hr with no yearly raises beyond having to pay for their slum apartment in San Fran
Gee, Anon... really hard decision for Boomers.

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My dad works as a mechanical engineer at some biomedical company with a masters in physics (he hasn't applied to a job in 15 years)
>he tells me im a retard and doing something wrong if I can't get a job after searching for 8 months
>it's my fault I can't pass the interviews
>explain to him what leetcode is
>"yeah I did those in high school, thats easy"
>ask him what the interview process at his company is like
>"well you get two interviews, one talking to HR and one with the plant manager, then if we like you, you get a 6 month trial to fit into the job"
>told him I've gone through 4 rounds of technical interviews just to get ghosted by a company like thrice now
>doesn't register
>goes back to calling me a retard
>"you're just applying to the wrong jobs, I wouldn't apply to any position with more than 10 candidates"

>>108004439
Everything boomers do is just deflection to try and not have to admit that if they want their kids to do well they're going to have to start paying them.

>>108004439
ask him to get u a job at his company

>>108004549
I did
>sorry you need a degree in engineering to make $35 an hour or more
>but I can get you a job at the assembly line earning $16!

>>108004561
wells shit nigga better than unemployed right? 16 an hour

>>108004342
>The market is bad worldwide
You know I wanted to get angry and shout at you but I actually had a moment of clarity and decided against it.
Your current world view is punishment already, why would I take that away from you.

>>108004597
as a mutt I am very disappointed to say I know this is not true
I see job listings in poland, australia, europe, etc frequently asking for only 1-3 yoe. meanwhile those jobs are non existent in the US. I've considered applying for them at this point, who gives a shit if I have to go to australia if the company hiring me is google

>>108004597
>I wanted to get angry and shout at you

holy shit actually a baby hahahaha

>>108004285
No, unless you are an employer (which is why they all want it).

If you're an employer you get cheap labor which at the same time lacks some basic legal protections that a citizen has.
If you're looking at it from a right-wing perspective as an employee, it's bad because it means cheap labor replaces local talent, resulting in a loss of jobs, wages and specialization in the workforce. At the same time these people have less incentive to integrate and will therefore damage the cultural fabric of the country while here.
If you're look at it from a left-wing perspective it's bad because it means cheap labor replaces local talent, the H1B people don't have basic rights and they get exploited (even by their frame of reference for what exploitation means) due to the pressure of the potential consequences of losing their job.

It's not a left vs right issue, it's an employer vs employee issue. Good for one, bad for the other.

>>108004628
>who gives a shit if I have to go to australia if the company hiring me is google
Also keep in mind that even if wages are lower you have to balance it with cost of living. I can live in the US and have a pretty meh existence with a high salary because I live in some super expensive town, or in europe where for half the wage I get to live like a high earner, or in sea where even at a fourth the wage I still get to live in a palace. People often just see the money value and go "that's less why would I do that" but really you need to adjust for purchasing power in your head.
That being said it's only on the table if you have little ties to your home country obviously, leaving family behind would be too much of a ask for me probably.

do we have a utwg discord?

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I've given up.

>>108004195
>Are they good enough that with the low pay and slave labor they are worth it? yes.
Wrong, jeet1b's are not worth shit beneath my feet. just went through this, employer hired 20+ jeet1b who do nothing. They pay bribes to get like 1/2 salary and fake experience. The jeet managers kept 5 actual devs to make it look like jeets can do anything. They will eventually promote the jeets and bring more jeet bribers in while trying to hire dumb westerners to keep the scam going. These niggers are dumb and that's why they have no shame running this type of scam.

>>108004863
You're in it.

>>108005038
i want to hear your sexy voices doe

>>108004222
good job, proud of u

>>108002611
Jeet Status: incoming

college is unemployment except your parents are proud of you

>>108005129
sounds like a win-win to me

>>108005129
fk bros college was so great i had a job on campus and i genuinely enjoyed university even though i never went to parties or anything

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holy shit im so far behind /g/, why is it every remote job I try to look up isn't remote at all

test

>>108004992
Unfortunately for you you can be as conspiratorial as you want, it doesn't really matter to the people who actually make the choices for who they hire.
If you're right all of US tech crashes and burns in a year or two.
But I've been hearing this stuff for 5 years now and so far they seem to be doing fine (financially speaking, the software is ass)

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>on my 5th cup of coffee today while scrolling linkedin and applying to jobs

>>108006324
are you a girl?

>>108006373
if I was a foid I would be making 500k a year at google right now

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I'm going back to studying JavaScript.

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if you aren't grinding this hard, you don't want it enough.

>>108006324
Dude, chill. It doesn't work like that. Old listings are a dud. I hired people and after a week there is no way of seeing all the replies. It's just way too much. Consider asking friends for a recommendation, that way someone defiantly will look at your resume.

I've seen your future ITfags and it doesn't look good. You'll either stay unemployed until you do something else, or stick with a shitty wage once enough indians are dumped into your country. Also being employed today doesn't mean you won't be fired tomorrow to cut costs. That's what living as a wagecuck does in 2026

>>108006578
It’s time for us all to accept that we must become Aryan roid beasts and go out like champs.

Any objections to joining the military unironically? Been unemployed for 8 months and I'm getting hints that my parents want me OUT.

>>108003576
>>108003713
There is definitely something going on here that we're not seeing. Since mid 2025 every single employer has played "dangle the opportunity". Its gotten so bad that

>email from large company that found my cv
>woman messages me for an opportunity
>I say yes and when can I start
>silence

She fucking messaged me then ghosted after a week.

>>108006715
Could be ok. You'll be yelled at and treated like a child but you will have healthcare, a fitness program, and a place to stay. Could go somewhere cool or could be stuck somewhere shitty.

Who knows man. It's a lifestyle, you may love it or hate it.

>>108006521

git add .
git commit -m "Changed comment for clarity"
git add .
git commit -m "Wrote test case"
git add .
git commit -m "Update CoC"
git add .
git commit -m "Fix off by one error"
git add .
git commit -m "Change method signature"
...

Solid 10 commits today lads

>>108004362
>>108004195
the lower pay is a myth. a lot are getting paid equal. the tech industry was handed off to indians in some sort of economic deal between US and india. they also pretty much exclusively hire their own. there have been legal cases where a company was proven to be discriminatory against whites in the US which means it has to be retardedly overt.

when theyre cost cutting they offshore.

these companies arent going to implode either it will take decades for them to decline. ibm has been an indian company forever and its faded out, but still a f500 company.

>>108006578
bro fuck we gotta start our own business or just try to make content online. it seems everyone is flooding into creating content to try and escape brutal wage slavery life

>>108007335
>go from producing actual things of value (software) to youtube videos (entertainment)
yeah no wonder china winning