>remove full HDMI port>remove 3.5mm audio jackBut hey at least we have 2 micro HDMI now in case we want to attach 2 monitors which totally doesn't make the whole thing lag and overheat :)
>>108013622isn't the GPU in this thing barely on par with that of the original xbox (going by FP32 GFLOPS)the CPU part is decent, 4x A76 still destroys budget phones that cost a lot more. but the GPU is terrible. too bad it controls the boot process, or did they finally do away with that?
>>108013622I'm still salty about removing the composite video jack and that's ancient news at this point
>>108013622don't forget the custom psu it requires, niggerlicious
>>108013647Nope, but the rpi5 has a much smaller binary blob.I'd rather have two extra a76 or quad a55 instead of the trash gpu the rpi5 has.
>>108013652It's the whole reason I bought a Pi4.
You're going to leave it in a drawer to collect dust after fucking around with raspbian for approximately ten minutes anyway, why care?
Just desolder it and add one.. that IS the point of ur embedded tinkering is it not..?
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>>108013746No I'm not I already have 2 active systems running for years but the missing audio jack is a bummer
hmmthe 5 qoute limit only seems to apply to posts that could have been made in a timeframeor maybe its a digit limit?
>>108013622Why do you need on full size HDMI nigger? Just buy a proper cable or two. Micro is better because it saves place on PCB for different components. I hope the next Pi gets rid of USB type A ports because they waste too much space as well
>>108013909>just buy another adapter when you already have 10 unused HDMI cables lying around
>>108013622>you VILL NOT have audio jack in any device
I quit fucking with the rPi after Pi3 once I learned that ever single other SBC is doing something better (except the Le Potato) so you can literally do better.Thanks Chris Barnatt
>>108013924Don't buy an adapter it puts stress on the port and will ruin it. Buy micro to full size cable then it will work until you die
>>108013622You buy a raspberry for its GPIO, if you bought it for other inputs you are dumb, there are many other SBC that are way more powerful and way less expensive.
>>108013967>>108013999For example?
>>108013818>>108013774>>108013771>>108013765oh great yet another faggot testing a chatbot on 4chan
Use case for spending extra money on an rpi for brand recognition when you can get a stronger orange pi for cheaper?
>>108013622Worst part is that they fucked the whole GPIO shit up and now my LED clock runs worse than the pi4 that cost half as much and died.I should just learn how to use a clock module with an arduino and throw the Pi in the trash
>>108013622which pi versions have full sized hdmi?
>>108014329>when you can get a stronger orange pi for cheaper?Just checked the prices, Raspi 5 16gb is 200 Euro, Orangepi 5 16gb is 250 Euro
>>108014390rk3588 has better memory performance, better cpu performance, doesn't get as hot, includes an m.2 on the board so you don't need a hat, has emmc support, has an npu, has a better gpu, has dual 2.5gbe on the board, has 3 full sized hdmi including one capture, has a USBC that isn't meant for power, etc. it's a much better board.
>>108013622Screens have become incredibly cheap.So I can absolutely see people build things with multiple screens.If anything two HDMI ports seem too few.
>>108014390Are europoor prices retarded, or did the entire sbc industry go full retard in recent years? Last I checked it was $70 for an orange pi + case with stronger hardware than an equivalent rpi that went for $120+.
>>108013746i have 3 rpi's on my network right now. /g/trannies like you aren't creative enough to find a use for these, so you assume everyone else is just as dumb as you are.
I still have a Pi 1.Why is the CPU bottlenecking it so hard? I struggle to reach 100% GPU utilization in Quake even at HD resolutions. That shit was meant to maximize a Voodoo at 640x480 using just a Pentium.
>>108014449SBCs have gone full retard because reddit hobbyists and "muh low power arm homeserver" has become a mind virus.Some recent jumps have been from the general RAM price increases but when it comes to low power compute, more rational people have been saying they haven't been worth it for awhile.
>>108014247any with rockchip SoCs, more precisely the rk3588
>>108014481What are you using them for?Any use I had for an SBC just gets swallowed by a VM on my NAS
>>108014512rpi is attached to my TV and has kodi and also handles some other stuff. opi5 runs docker containers and is where i do some arm compilation, like openwrt etc. I don't like burdening my NAS with a bunch of other shit if I can avoid it.
>>108013622yea forcing this micro hdmi and mini hdmi shit is retarded i hate it. one of the reasons i use an orangepi as my low power home server i dont have to go looking for an adapter if i ever want to plug in a monitor.
>>108014449It's mostly because of RAM prices
>>108014449All prices are retarded right now because AI caused infinite demand for everything.
>>108013622I only get x86 SoC now (my current server is odroid h3), they don't cost much more but they're incredibly more powerful.the rpi standard form-factor is worthless anyways and ends up inside drawers 99% of the time, people who actually use pi to do embedded buy other variants without all this useless stuff.
>>108014811odroid h3 is slower than the opi5, i think it may be slower than the rpi5. it also requires ram, who can afford that?
raspberry pi power consumption is ass now too, n100 chips are pretty damn near close and come in under budget once you factor in the fact you need a hat to add real drives to it.they need to start delivering a cheap as fuck board with passable performance, i/o and power consumption. basically just a rpi zero pricing with a ethernet port and a way to attach a drive to it. they also need to come up some form of onboard power management so the thing can power up and power down easily without destroying the filesystemi fuck around with rpi for off grid/camper van shit and raspberry pi has been fumbling the thing for so fucking long, i dont need it to compete with x86 miniPCs in a home network, i need something for a wide variety of low power niche use cases where it can be run on battery easily and cheaply and has a bunch of gpio for me to add modules.people that sperg out about better arm chink SBCs have never used them either, software support for all these boards is absolute ass and their gpio integration are always awful in comparison. i bought a orange pi 5 plus and even basic shit like the hdmi input requires a bunch of fuckery to work.rpi just needs to fuck off with this premium niche pricing and go back to making computers that are so cheap they can be given away, my first rpi i got for 3.14 dollars during pi day
>>108014982the rpi5 base model is still only 50 dollars, 16 dollars more than the original model. it's when you multiple the base ram by 8 times and start adding peripherals that the price sky rockets.
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>>108014982radxa zero. i've tested running mine off a power bank and it lasted for days. it will require some fuckery, but the gpio works fine.
>>108014426And it's over 300 euro including everything so I might as well get a mini PC
yeah these things used to make sense when they were 20 bucks, now it's an underpowered overpriced piece of shit
>>108015971it's an option. you have to know your needs and choose the right thing.
>>108013622>remove full HDMI portjust buy another cable nigger jim
>>108014329software support ?
I'm building a NAS with mine
>>108013622why does everyone hate the 3.5mm jack and who is responsible for it? don't tell me it's jews give me a real answer
>>108013746I run Fedora server on an SSD though
>>108016419>mfw tried to make a pi 4 with 4gb ram do this>i made a mistake>that is not nearly enough for any serious use>switched to collecting e waste optiplexes>it has SOO much more room for activities>tl;dr raspi's were great till they went to being well overpriced at 120 from 75 at most on release for 8gb
>>108016453it's jews they hate things that just work and want you do buy their adapters and dongles
>>108016339There’s no “need” for an sbc arm computer at that point. Arm software is still seriously lacking unless you’re on Apple silicon or on those new Qualcomm windows devices. And I say this for the rpi5 as well, why the fuck would you ever get 16 gb when any ram intensive work would be done better on a mini pc? I got an 8gb 1.0 revision model for like $50 and that was the absolute lowest I ever found them, and the most I would consider getting an sbc for.
>>108013622Usecase for a RaspberryPI? I’m actually curious, they look cool but I have no clue what I’d use it for.
>>108016911>>108017154Small servers, NAS, media box etc
>>108017154https://learn.pimoroni.com/article/getting-started-with-pirate-audio
>>108017173So like it would be used as a controller for a bunch of hard drives that you could use as a local cloud?
>>108013622Just add your own, according to the lakka devs, the RP5 composite video output is actually better than the PI3 or 4
>>108017197modern /g/ everyone, this is why I call you all /g/eets now, the /g/entoomen have long gone
>>108017225relax, zoomers are retarded and have to learn sooner or later.
>>108016911you don't buy the rpi5 16gb. it just makes the slow memory situation even worse. as far as software. depends on what you're doing. most linux shit is open source and compiles fine.
>>108013622The Pi has some weird things. It supports CEC, which pretty much no video card does. The Pi 5 now has two camera ports, which is one of those features that's useful only to a very small number of people. They make some odd choices.
>>108017481a lot of the old intel NUCs had cec, which was rare for an x86. RPI is busy releasing their own flash sticks and other shit no one wants, but they'll slap the RPI brand on any accessory and give it a kid-friendly color theme.
>>108017244>t. coping /g/eet
>>108017713>t. seething pajeet.
>>108017225I’m new to this stuff dude, people aren’t born knowing everything about computers.
>>108018041after you build a nice workstation with your 5090 and your RGB, the last thing you want to do is shove a bunch of hard drives in there. however, nvme's top out at 8TB and your mobo only has slots for 3 of them. after your steam game library exceeds 24TB you need storage elsewhere. so you get a NAS and then you can store your game library over the network. and then you also need at least 10gbe ethernet, preferably 100gbit. it's a natural progression.
>>108018234And the PI is the controller or whatever it’s called for that set up right?
>>108013622Why is the WiFi on these so shit? Mine occasionally has issues losing connection, a buddy of mine's crashes when trying to change from one WiFi network to another.
>>108017154offgrid computing where power consumption is the most major bottleneck and you also need to control sensors/relays/other bullshit off the gpio. i used one in my camper van to automate various tasks that saved a buttload of power just based off conditions that were present based off a few sensors. most people that bitch about raspberry pis being useless and outclassed by x86 devices are usually just wage cuck drones that come up to house with infinite power forever. the ideal power user for a rpi is some dude in ukraine operating a radio connection and communication with constant blackouts/no power. its an amazing device for people computing on the fringe
>>108013622Hdmi and the company that runs it is a cancer. I don't blame rp for any hdmi related bullshit, I blame hdmi itself.
>>108018299Basically you install a dedicated software suite that works on top of your OS and allows your device to operate as a NAS. Something like openmediavault or trueNAS. They both can be built on top on raspberry pi OS or most other distros of your choosing. There’s also companies that ship their own custom NAS’s with their dedicated OS, think Synology or Ugreen. Don’t listen to the jaded brownoid seething at you, he’s just projecting
>>108014982>raspberry pi power consumption is ass now too, n100 chips are pretty damn near closenope.
>>108014512I have a pi giving internet to my vm's, so I don't need to be plugged into the router.
The RPi has strayed so fucking hard it has become basically Reddit central.The entire point of the RPi was either to provide ultra cheap linux-capable computers for computer science + EE education, or as a development platform for ARM. You were supposed to buy them in bulk for your school or buy one for development and then deploy whatever you programmed on a cheapo ARM board.What Reddit did instead is they used these devices either as do-it-all servers (severely underspecced) or as glorified microcontrollers (severely overspecced). Thus, misguided demand boomed and the rest is history.
>>108020473The rpi4 is a near-perfect general purpose computer. All it needs is another Ethernet port.
>>108019291Hey, I'm bridge anon. Could you put a NAS on a pi set up as a wifi bridge and access the storage over .local the same way as you would ssh into said pi?
>>108020482>halts when watching a video on the webyeah, no
>>108020551Your idea of general purpose computing requires a graphical session. LOL RETARD
>>108020637>general purpose>except this purposeI get it, you just want to bait. Have a nice day
>>108020647Playing 1080p video on a screen is a special consumer need.
>>108020650I get it, you just want to bait. Have a nice day
>>108020654Why does the improvised electronic device need to play 1080p video over an internet connection? Cpu's aren't ASICS for video codecs.
>>108020664I get it, you just want to bait. Have a nice day
>>108020668>People who aren't retarded are baiting meBing-Bing wahoo
>>108020671I get it, you just want to bait. Have a nice day
>>108013622Grow up. Its a toy. Shove in a desk drawer and move on.
>>108020783No, it's like a tap-and-die set. You almost never need one, but when you do...This is really for any comparable device, though, not the pi, specifically.
>>108020941Can you name even one single use that you truly would need it for?
>>108013622Also make it the same price as a much powerful full fledged mini PC
>>108013622>>108013647They are now used as digital billboards, the educational and DIY aspects are not relevant anymore and were only used to lure in naive developers to make it run stable
2x HDMI seems silly, but removing the audio jack isn't. Adding some e-waste tier dac just to say you have audio is retarded, especially since most people won't ever use audio on a Pi.
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>>108021701>giving internet to my VMs>I don't need to be plugged into the routerSo it's a switch? An internal router with a private network? For having so much technical diarrhea on the screen you don't express yourself clearly
>>108021871I'm pretty sure it's not a router, but I could be wrong. I lost track of where the vm's are getting their routing.
>>108021871The host machine, not br, IS, in fact, where one would have to use 'ip route' commands to set this up manually. So, as far as I'm concerned, the raspi, in this configuration, is a "bridge adapter" for br0, which is a virtual switch and the actual "router" to the vm's. The pi just gives me an internet connection that I can use with br0, since wifi doesn't work with virtual bridge networks in qemu. It's basically a wifi adapter that I plug into usb to spoof an ethernet connection.
>>108021701>ugly fucking font>netplani don't trust a thing you say and i didn't even look at the entire image because of that horrible font.
>>108013622>full HDM1 portYou don't need that>3.5mm audio jackYou don't need that, continue to buy next product
>>108022006Have fun using NAT for your vm's over wifi.
>>108021985So to summarize, you have a computer with a number of virtual machines running on it, and it's too far away from your home router to connect with ethernet; since QEMU doesn't allow you to use a wireless adapter as a virtual bridge, you connected an RPi to the wifi and then the computer to the RPi with the cable?
>>108022060missing one stepethernet cable into usb-c adapter into laptop. There are fans on the pi.
>>108022161Then I really don't understand. Just get a shitty router and set it as wifi bridge
>>108022186Why? I have a raspberry pi sitting around collecting dust.
>>108022191I asked for an example where one would truly need an RPi. A wifi bridge that can be done with better performance and features on a $10 openwrt router is not such an example. Good for you that you are using it though
>>108022211Performance and features? I can only get a gig down over wlan0 anyway.
>>108022211Plus I can plug an ssd into it, and use it for whatever can be done with .local, I guess.
>>108013622Just buy an orangepi nigger.
>>108016304You can still buy the $20 ones. They still do the same things.
>>108023950see >>108014390
