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All the sub 3,000 USD 5090s on Ebay are scams right?
>>108016498check seller info/history as always.probably you're seeing auctions not buyouts also
I don't have any thermal paste available. Can I use toothpaste instead?
>>108016743Until the new paste arrives, sure.
>>108016743maybe in theory but it's a stupid thing to do just wait for the paste to arrive... can't you play games on your phone or something while you wait?
>>108016743
>>108016743go to the nearest store and buy mayo
>G sync pulsar is 90hz default>75hz lowest currently>only planning to release firmware update in the future for 48hz supportSo is pulsar only for high frames esports sweats?I mostly play at 60-140 fps so I'm not sure if this tech is for me
>>108014949Jensen won't fuck you for lil buddy
UMM OLED BROS????EXPLAIN PLEASE
>>108017418>vtuberfound the problem
>$150 premium to get the 16gb model of the 9060 XTThis is awful.
where b65
>>108016266best build for a PEDO HUNTER
>>108017418because fligggers.TN panels blur. sounds bad, but it nerfs the fliggers the illumi-dotty use to entrain us into vodding
>>108017485FX-8350Matrox a3808gb (2gbx4) ddr3-1600
when do you think ram prices will return to normal bros?
lollmao even
Some RETARD came in here and was RETARDED.Let's chase him into traffic so he gets RUN OVER
>>108017501Damn, a matrox card out in the wild
>>108017418My OLED cleared my headaches. My old screen sucked ass and hurt my eyes.
>>108017683Yeah, it can help you sychronize with homosexual demons. If you are straight, then oled is pretty annoying.
>>108017418>>108017445the avg vtuber is technologically retarded. they likely did zero calibration on software or hardware. it just arrived paid for by betabucks.
>>108017691How would you know?
You know maybe $999 for a 5080 was cheap
So if noctuas mobo compatibility list is incorrect, how do I get my money back or something? Weekend is ruined
>>108016266is the 5060 ti 16gb a bad card?
>>108017755its relatively weak and before the jews the best value cards were either 5070 or 5070 ti
>>108017755It's good if you need VRAM more than anything else. You'll need to watch listings like a hawk right now if you want to get one at a reasonable price. It's difficult to recommend when the 5070 is now the same price and significantly faster. It being limited to 8x is also completely unnecessary.
>>108017752Return the CPU cooler or the motherboard.
>>108017752you can likely move the fan up to prevent hitting ramif your cpu cooler hits the gpu then the mobo is designed wrong
Didn't there use to be dual tower air cooler recs in the OP? I wanna know what's the meta right now, planning on getting a 7600(X), I think the AK400 was recommended at one point but it's no longer in stock anywhere.
>>108017924A620 PRO SEPhantom Spirit or Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3Pure Rock Pro 3NH-D15 G2All of those coolers are sort of overkill for that CPU. Scythe Kotetsu Mark 3 should be good enough, but I can't speak for how loud it will run vs a dual tower cooler.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rw7scf/scythe-kotetsu-mark-3-6762-cfm-cpu-cooler-scktt-3000
>>108017740Remember when we scoffed at $1600 4090s? I should have bought five of them.
When do I sell my Ram I horded for max profit?
>>108017991My only cope is convincing myself I technically got an 80 series with the 5070ti
This DLSS 4.5 shit is fucking insane
>>108018037My cope was buying, at the time, an overpriced 5090. Now I could sell it an make hundreds. By next year a grand or more.
>>108018037I have one too but lets not kid ourselves, it's a 70 class card. At least I got it for under its msrp. Shit it's gone up like $300 in a month, just totally retarded. The bigger issue is the 5080 is also a 70 class card.
>>108018042You could have at least included the shot with the boobas.Whats the link to that vidya anon?
>>108018063https://youtu.be/DKCyk3CeUFY
Can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on with GPU and RAM ? What are my options being in the US and my budget is 2 Large ?
>>108017924honestly i didnt really look at the op aside from cpu and gpu section when i copy pasted it. if dual towers are missing that's dumb...Always take ops with a grain of salt anyway, none of it's going to be perfectly accurate for everyone. The small changes I made I tried to be as impartial as possible but i know people will still have valid objections to it. I looked over benchmarks for the 9070 xt and while it is certainly a 4k serviceable card for a lot of people, i don't think it's strong enough at 4k to be in the 4k category in general. Likewise with the 5070 ti, which is obviously the main competitor to it in pure performance. Not going to get into the weeds about muh framegen or muh upscooling or the price premium, weighing in on prices is all personal opinion on what's fair and the actual number could get way worse so pushing people away from it over pricing is silly. And the price over the 9070 xt is really worth it for a lot of people who need/want nvidia's features and/or have misgivings with radeon.I did opt not to re-add the 5060 ti 16gb though at these prices with the 5070 offering much more performance like >>108017780 said but even that is feeling like a mistake to me now because I know some people just want 16gb vram on a "budget". Really you just can't please everyone with ops and i'm starting to come to terms with that.
>>108018042Yep. It makes a 5070 a legit 4k card. My 5090 will now last till I die.
>>108017986>All of those coolers are sort of overkill for that CPU.I thought as much, just want to have something I can reuse when I upgrade in the future.>Phantom Spirit 120 SE V3I'm getting that. It's on sale right now and the reviews (from people running much beefier CPUs) look pretty good. Thanks anon
>>108016266
>>108018070prebuilt, better to buy today than tomorrow.That's literally it, good luck.
>>108018076>"legit 4k">look inside>430pi guess
Do we have an official tidus.jpg I can use at 7680x2160 resolution? Just got my new monitor...
>>108018114Yep. DLSS 4.5 is pure witchcraft.
>>108018122>7680x2160what fuckhueg monitor is that
>>108018068>all that fucking ghostingAh yes. Truly the future.
>>108018102This was literally me as a kid except quake 3 instead of ut
>>108018135Samsung g9 odyssey, it's big
Do thermal pads on the GPU "settle in"? I was concerned about my VRAM temps hovering at 95C when I got it. After a couple of months, I checked the VRAM temps again and it's now 85C after playing the GPU intensive game
You guys gonna buy an Nvidia CPU?
So what pushed them to force frame generation instead of investing more into pure raster? Is raster that much more expensive?
>>108018202They got an x86 licence yet?
>>108018201A little bit but that sounds like a bigger drop than i would expect from the effect
>>108018208raster is dead
>>108017755It's an AI card.
>>108018201nigga it is winter now not summer
>>108018202Im probably sticking with intcel for my next build like all but one of my previous builds. Time will tell though. If the performance gap becomes too large even my brand loyalty won't keep me from building my second ever AMD machine.Nvidia cpu? Certainly not.
>>108018208technology has probably peaked and entering diminishing returns
>>108018201they either touch components or not. they cant be too thick or it makes the core hotter which makes the whole thing hotter and they cant be too thin or else the memory gets hot.
>>108018208It's a more efficient use of the available silicon to add hardware-accelerated upscaling and frame generation features.
>>108016266>Gpu started running the fan at max randomly one day.>A few weeks later it goes back to normal.Everything fixes itself. Just ignore it.
>>108018253Thinner is always better it's just that aibs are too cheap to fit their coolers with tight fitment to more than just the gpu core so the memory ends up far from the cooler and shares a cold plate with the gpu. Both of these are fixable but would be expensive to engineer for no significant increase to service life or the customer
>>108018042I still can't believe dlss4.5 performance matches fsr4 quality
>>108017503When the AI bubble pops.
>>1080182309850x3d is well over 20% faster in games than the 285kIf you haven't bought AMD, you won't ever buy AMD
>>108018287Dumb 2hu catposter.>>108018298And that will happen...?
https://www.montechpc.com/air-1000-silentI'm thinking about getting this and modding the front panel with a CNC machine to get some decent airflow. Retarded idea?
>>108018324Get a Meshify 3/XL.
>>108018335I'm specifically trying to avoid transparent side panels.
>>10801830720% ain't that much especially when they're both getting many hundreds of fps.I'll switch when amd is 60% ahead
>>108018076>5070>12gb vram>4k card???
>>108018358They have a solid side panel variant.The length of the regular Meshify 3 is a bit short; it's basically a taller Meshify 2 Compact.
>>108018387Yes, sorry AMD scammed you.
>>108018387just upscale from 240p to 4k.
>>10801839612vram is not enough for 4k lol
Gt 730 is an awesome 8k card i just upscale from 72p
>>108018434kek
>>108018298>its never popping
>>108018395Oh nice. And that's actually one of the best looking cases I've seen.
>>108018434It doesn't have tensor cores so it can't.
>>10801836120% is a lowball numberTime to switch to amd
>>108018358Consider picrel. I'm super happy with it. It required just a tiny mod to fit a thick ALF3 420 in top.
so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.
>>108018444It's a good case; the preinstalled fans are one of the best bundled case fans.But the standard Meshify 3 is compact. The maximum radiator size for its top panel is 280mm.It's not a big deal performance-wise, but it limits your AIO options.be Quiet & Noctua's upcoming AIOs only have 240 and 360mm models; these have quieter pumps.
>>108018466Averages not just one game?Phenom II is from 2007 and obliterates all modern cpus in variable shift performance still. One workload or game doesn't mean much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJRov6iq5LMSo PCI-E 3.0 x16 is fine in general for the 9070 XT?
>>108018479
>>108018483268/191 = 140.3%
>>108018466>we did a custom gameplay benchmark but we will NEVER give you the save file so you can verify the results for yourselflmao
>>108018483>variable shift performanceWhat does that mean? I remember it performed rather poorly compared to the Nehalems on CPU bound games. It was not bad, finally catching up to Core 2 quads when Nehalems were out.
>>108018425It is for NVIDIA. Definitely not for AMD.
>>108018498its funny how if amd simply stopped releasing gamer cpus after 7800x3d all the worlds gamers would be virtually the same fps on average
>>108018484PCI-E 3.0 x16 is fine until you plug in a 5090
>>108018511if that happened the 7800x3d would continue topping the charts until intel released the 800W 17900k
>>108018479Uh oh, nicotroon melty!>>108018488Genuine mental illness.
>>108018498Good thing I have the far superior to Error Lake 14900k then
>>108018524eh intel already moved to partial tsmc chiplets for 285kfor 2026-7 they also have their own angstrom node
>>108018503Variable Shift instruction. Look it up.
>>108018521Actually 4090
9850x3d only 25% better than 14900k at 1080p medium. Huh.
>>108018547zen5 is the worst zen generation improvement and somehow its made to look like a really good one because intel just keeps falling flat on their face
>>108018555Arrow Lake was Intel's Zambezi moment. Literally released a shittier cpu than what came before. Hopefully they correct soon.
>>108018547zen5% has always been a meme. X3D is just an fps generator and as you can see even that has run out of juice
>>108018560honestly nova lake bLLC will probably be pretty good. intel's p-cores have always been faster but always held back by memory latency compared to x3d.
oh neat PCGH provides save files for their reviewshttps://www.pcgameshardware.de/Baldurs-Gate-3-Spiel-18525/Specials/Benchmark-Test-Review-Grafik-Ersteindruck-1425826/2/https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Kingdom-Come-Deliverance-2-Spiel-74644/Tests/Tech-Test-Review-Benchmarks-Cryengine-1464706/5/props to the germans for doing the sensible thingmight try these later but it's not like it matters because /pcbg/ prefers bar charts from paid shills over evidence from their fellow anons
>>108018466Y no 9950X3D in these scores?>were they just /poor/s?
>>108018543its like 1-2% difference compared to 5-7% on 5090.
I know nicotroon and other brampton niggas would be upset at this but I went Nvidia only in 2017 and have had nothing but a good time. I was always troubleshooting my ATI/AMD GPUs before that, they were fine but I don't have time for that shit anymore. I want something that just works every time I use it, and that's what Nvidia gives me.
>>108018387Faster VRAM > More VRAM.
>>108018596no brand war faggotry pls ty
>>108018596fa... wait, is there a stem on that apple?>fap anyway
>>1080184849070 XT is a midrange card, of course it's not going to saturate PCI-E 4.0 or even 3.0.
>>108018608
>>108018608Okay, no brand warring.Wait a minute.>checks thread>/pcbg/Sorry. Won't be able to do that. NVIDIA SUCK ASS INTEL IS FINISHED AND BANKRUPT YOU SAW THE STOCK YOURSELF THEY ARE FINISHED AND BANKRUPT
All these nvidijeets seething so hard cuz a 600 dollar 9070 xt is faster than their 2000 dollar 5080
>>108018658can you link cp path tracing chart?
>>108018658>no RThmm. how about 1440p ultra with rt comparisons?
>>108018643Meanwhile intel gave nvidia a dry handy and was rewarded with some pocket change, a bunch of chiplets, and a shedload of intellectual property.amd is tiny compared to these two juggernauts working together.
>>108018678real men have fabs so intel is the man in the relationship while nvidia is their twink
>>108016266currently have a AMD 5 7600 and a 4060, considering upgrading to a RX 9060 XT 16GB and a 5 9600. I'm not too worried on the price but are there better alternatives out there?
HOLY SHIEEET. JEETFORCE DRIVER CPU OVERHEAD SO BAD THAT 9070 XT CAN BEAT 5090
>>108018686A fab with 0 customers is not a fab it's just a building that burns money
>>108018694thatd be quite retarded upgrade path since its sidegrade where you lose out on nvidia features + no cpu improvementat minimum Id go for 7800x3d and 9070 xt. Nvidia 5070 if its anywhere near msrp
>>108018709the 7800x3d is wayyyy over budget for me, same with the 9070xt and 5070, only really looking for a budget upgrade i guess since i don't like spending crazy amounts of cash
>>108018694>I have this budget pc full of relatively recent hardware>should I upgrade to this slightly newer budget pc that is almost imperceptibly better?Poor people stay poor for a reason. This is the decision making ability of the average poor.
>>108018665>>108018675
>>108018694Questionable purchases.9600 is a sidegrade unless you heavily utilize the AVX512 instruction set.9060 XT's performance isn't a big enough leap imo.Keep the Ryzen 7600 and either get the 9070/XT or the 5070.
>>108016266I have a 9800x3d and 9070xt - what 1440p monitor should i get?I would consider 27" or an UltraWide. I prefer IPS for allegedly being easier on the eyes than OLED.Someone suggested a G34WQC but I don't see that for sale anymore.
>>108018694>currently have a AMD 5 7600 and a 4060, considering upgrading to a RX 9060 XT 16GB and a 5 9600.absolutely retarded did a hebrew man convince you this was a good idea?
>>108018675>>108018732
>>108018732hasnt anyone done phantom liberty PT gpu chart for 2025 gpus? seems a bit silly they review it once in 2023 and when 50xx and 90xx gpus came out they didnt bother redoing it
>>108018729i was always gonna upgrade the gpu soon, its annoying me only having 8gb of vram. thought may as well upgrade the cpu>>108018733i'll definitely do this I think, currently considering swapping my main rig over to linux so I might go with the 9070>>108018738yes
>>108018741don't be sillywhy would they benchmark that now enjoy your benchmarks for starfield and dragons dogma 2
>>108018737>I would consider 27" or an UltraWide. I prefer IPS for allegedly being easier on the eyes than OLED.Asus ROG Strix XG27ACS is decently reviewed and currently discounted to $230 in the official ASUS US store; this would be the value option.I'm not sure if I'd bother with a higher-end 1440p IPS; the price gets too close to 1440p 240Hz OLED monitors.https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mgWJ7P/asus-rog-strix-xg27acs-270-2560-x-1440-180-hz-monitor-xg27acs
>>108018658Can you link where you're getting a 9070 XT for $600 USD?
>>108018783You are replying to nicotroon. Report his posts and ignore them
>>108018737There is only one choice G-SYNC PULSARNOTHING. ELSE. MATTERS.IT IS OVER FOR EVERY OTHER 1440P MONITOR IT IS OVER FOR THEM OVER OVER OVER OVER OVER
>>108018810>ipsfukken dropped
>>108018810generic VA monitors have better picture quality thanks to higher contrast than any pulsar monitor tho
>>108018810He has a 9070 XT, incompatible.
What's the cheapest 5070ti that I can get that is not complete ass? Would like something not too loud. Or should I just get a 5070 (and if so which 5070 should I get)? Gaming/gamedev/blender on either 1080p (might get 1440p but not sure if it is worth it).
>>108018810I have respect for Jensen and the scams he is able to run honestly. It's amazing to me he's going to have thousands of retarded LARPing nvidiots that think they are gonna be the next Donk or some shit paying like 600+ dollars for fucking IPS monitors in 2026.
>>108018841the cheapest ones ran out a month agomaybe asus 5070 would be good, they might even use phase change thermal pads
>>108018843The benefits of improved motion clarity aren't restricted to competitive FPS.https://youtu.be/fRxzGyxJIbA?t=401Every moving object/character looks clearer; it will be even better with the 48Hz minimum threshold update.
>>108018841>cheapest 5070tilol what you think it's some 9070xt amd trash? Nah nah those things start at $1000 now. Cheap ended last year.
>>108018810QD looks cleaner. IPS is bad.
>>108018877Retard you can still get a 5070 ti for 829.
is 4k worth it? did anyone swith from 1440p and went like whoa it's so much better
>>108018884>used>from ebay from some guy with dubious history
>>108018888You're a dumbass.
>>108018877All 9070 XT's even the shittiest cheapo reapers and gigabyte gamings come with PTM7950.
>>108018896https://www.trustpilot.com/review/wamatek.comlmao>unknown shipping datelmao
>>108018818Just fool your eyes with some bias lighting behind the monitor.People have been doing this with LCD TVs for a while.
>>108018896>backordered and will ship when in stockLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO okay wait 16 weeks for it to ship from WAMATEK then kek
>>108018903I backorder all the time, you can pay scalpers if you want it's why you'll stay poor
>>108018042The Nioh 3 demo just came out and it has a mode beyond ultra performance (33% resolution) as the silder can go all the way to 25% which activates preset L automatically and honestly i cant tell the difference at 4k
>>108018908except nvidia doesnt even make the gpus anymore
>>108018913>t autismunboxed
>>108018917
>>108018917did you hear about jews and ram situation?
>>108018911This shit is unironically going to make devs push for more percentage sliders so people can choose whatever low res they want to run 4K at. They will never tell people to turn off DLSS or framegen. As things stand, it's simply over for native (forced TAA blurfest) games.
>>108018810i hate when these retards only set at max refresh hate when the wholy point of pulsar its that it scales really well even at lower frame rates so even 90-120 fps give you the motion clarity beyond what oleds can do
>>108018932It's over for new games more like. 90% of people are playing 7+ year old games and that will only grow. Jeet vibe coding must go or these companies Will Fail.
Yeah holy fuck I didn't know it was that grim out hereso they just aren't shipping these cards then? After less than 1 year on the market? 16GB GDDR7 forget about it.
So does anyone have a good guess for when we will get normal non ultra wide 5th gen qd oled panels? Why the hell is the only panel Samsung released for it this ultrawide curved slop, a lot of people I would argue most even prefer a normal 16:9 flat panel.
>>108018933but when you get to >120 you start hitting diminishing returnslike my 240hz oled is super clear when the content in 240hz and the need for more is not really a pressing matterand pulsar doesnt scale well below 90hz
>>108018932Plenty of people are already using DLSS and even frame generation on multiplayer shooters like BF6 and Arc Raiders (with Reflex on).They want those AI-generated frames.
>>108018953>and pulsar doesnt scale well below 90hzThis is what im not sure, blurbuster said that they asked them to support 60hz and nvidia said that in a future they'll add a 48hz firmware update especifically for media content, VR and fighting games, they also said that it should work really well as long as they increase the strobbing rate at lower frame rates
Will it ever be this cheap again?
>>108018952They're deliberately staggering the new panel releases so they don't cannibalize sales of older OLED monitors.
>>108018969yeah its still strobing so I assume its going to be problematic at low fpshopefully they invent black frame insertion for future oled monitors
>>108018978No we are hyperinflating Weimar style soon that will cost $107,299,999 by 2030.
>>108018952This year's lineup is crazy confusing, they are mixing last years panel tech and new tech in new models. MSI even had a promo getting you new RE9 for buying their even older QD-OLEDs. It's all annoying and confusing. I don't even know can't tell what's what.
>>108016266I've been told that my new PC is weaker than the base PS5 (not even the pro version), and I've spent a total of 2000 dollarinos on this shit. I know I should have bought the PS5 instead that costs only $680 ish where I'm from. PC gaming is a meme.
>>108019002It's definitely faster than the base PS5.The base PS5 has a mobile 3700X (downclocked) with two cores reserved for the console OS, and a GPU that is inferior to the mobile RX 6700 (no Infinity Cache).
>>108019002>ps5 is faster than 6x zen 5 cores and a 4070sBasically some clueless retard(s) lied to you. Don't sweat it.
>>108018957not sure about multiplayer but for singleplayer i think the future is gonna be some advanced tech of flip metering and frame warping in which the whole game renders 200ms in the future so technically you'll have 0 input lag while the game constantly make async calls and fill the 200ms gap with a predictive neural network generating the possible states
>>108018978They don't even make that drive any more anonBetter take that discount now
>>1080188415070ti is easily hitting 100+ frames in anything at 1440p. 5070 is probably enough if you don't want to break the bank.
>>108019002the ps5 is 5 years old. no way is it better.
>>108019002that PC is way more powerful than a PS5 Prosnoys are retards
>>108018694decided im gonna get a RX 9070 XT over my 4060 and hold onto the 5 7600 for a while longer, when i do get to upgrading my cpu what would you guys recommend?
>>108019002Your pc is faster than a ps5 pro let alone a base one
>>108019002get cheaper mobo and better psu
>>108019039x3d
>>108019030Any models I should avoid?
>>108019051Not really
>>108019039When Zen 6 X3D CPUs are discounted below $400 (if it's worth the performance gain).
>>108019051I'm not as picky as some other anons. Try to get a 3 fan model if you can. Otherwise, just get the cheapest.
>>108019051Apparently Ventus is a meme with shitty cooling. Shadow is just rebranded Ventus since people associate it with shit.
>>108019057Ryzen 7 10800x3d will be the next i5-2500k. 12 cores one ccd. Future? Proof. mm at least for gayming
>>108019067yeah but its am5 so we can expect another 3-4% perf gain for 30% more power drain
>>10801906930% more power for 50% more cores sounds pretty good to me anon.
>>108019051Ventus/Shadow tends to run louder and hotter than other cards, but you can reduce the power draw while retaining close to stock performance with an undervolt + OC.Performance/efficiency sweet spot is at around 925~950mV
>>108019072yeah its gonna be a good productivity upgradebut for games its not gonna be meaningful and the 30% more power use is while the cores arent actually being used
>>108019069Isn't it going to be on a new node? Shouldn't Zen+ to Zen 2 like gain expected?
>>108019078It's about the future. 6 cores/12 threads today fares like 4c/4t in 2017 or so. Yeah it's enough. No it won't last much longer. Then 8c will be next on the chopping block. 7-8 years from now the 9800x3d will be thread constrained badly compared to the chad 10800x3d
IDK why you guys are assuming Zen 6's Ryzen 7 CPUs will get the full 12-core chiplet.AMD could easily limit the 12-core chiplets for the 10950X and the 10-core bins for the 10900X.
>>108019099That is a possible level of jewishness but they already dropped the initial plan for 16 core ccd in favor of 12 due to intel not competing at all so another drop seems.. excessive
What even uses more than 4 cores in 2026?
>>108019122witcher 4
should I get 4k or 1440p monitor to pair with 5070ti?
>>108019122Few games wont run like shit on 4c/4t4c/8t is still surprisingly kinda decent in comparison but still a 60 fps experience
>>108019097This. Actually much less than 8 years.Benchmarks have only the game running, most people have at least a browser with 10 tabs but this is /g/ so we will normally do much more. You should have at least 4 cores more than needed.>>108019099>>108019109Sadly yes. AMD sure has been greedy lately. The current 2500k is 5900x or something and will be for a while.
>>108019122everything now assumes you have 8 threads which is 8 cores with no HT or 4 cores with HT
Who else is waiting for the memory price crash?
>>108019231Buy the crypto dip instead
I want to get either the 5070ti or the 9070xt but there are a few things I'm hesitant about. Would appreciate some help.I keep hearing about how bad the power connector that the 50 series uses is, causing connectors to melt and whatnot. Is this an issue that plagues all of the 50 series cards or is it exclusive to stuff like the 5090? I'm aware that a couple of the 9070xt models use that connector but most are 8 pins, right?Ive also noticed that the 9070xt is a lot more power hungry than the 5070ti, other than temps what sort of impact does this have? Could it negatively affect the lifespan of the card? I know that AMD cards can be undervolted to keep identical perfomance but even then the tests I've checked still put the 5070ti's consumption way below the 9070xt.Can the 5070ti be undercoated like the 9070xt or would that be a waste of time due to the already low consumption? Should I just leave it as is?I've read that quite a lot of people like AMD's (adrenalin, I think) software much better than Nvidia's, is it true that it's easier to use/better or not really?About Linux, I've also heard that AMD cards used to be the go to if you wanted to use Linux, is this still the case or have things changed?Are there any models on each card that I should avoid? I was planning on an Asus TUF Prime for the 5070ti or a Power Color Red Devil for the 9070ti, also considered the Nitro+ but it has the dreaded connector and also considered both the Power Color Hellhound Reva because of the white and blue and the XFX Mercury, but I was told XFX cards had insanely loud fans.
>>108019251just buy 5070 ti and dont worry about itas for linux yes nvidia doesnt provide proper open source drivers as a way to provide amd a niche for antitrust
>>108019251just buy 9070xt and dont worry about itas for linux yes amd provide proper open source drivers as a way to prove nvidia sucks
>>108019251I bought 5070 ti a week ago, undervolted to 900mv it runs at ~210W and connector gets WARM not hot. I would say 45C maybe, if that.GPU itself (MSI trio) runs stupid quiet and cool at like 59C in RT games at 100% load and I meant after 12 hour long session not 1.5 minutes in 3dmark. Most of the time it's under 55C. Idles at 35C so longevity of the silicone would not be a problem.No idea about AMD side of things as I can't live without forced ambient occlusion in old titles or SSAA.
>>108019276> Linux Which distro? I have a 9070 XT btw. I tried Mint but the dual monitor experience was awful
>>108019251The power connector issue is really only affecting the hungrier cards, i.e. 5090 and such. I wouldn't worry about it.
>>108019251Just get a 5070Ti and don't worry about it, unironically.It's the better card. There's a lot of cope and shilling from AMD this generation, and it basically comes from AMD releasing the 9070XT at a price where it was very competitive with the 5070Ti, but now they've upped the MSRP and Nvidia has improved the software and features that the 5070Ti uses, which has tilted it more so in Nvidia's favour.If you can get either for their original MSRPs, the better choice would be the 9070 XT. But, you can't do this. So, it's moot.A lot of the 12VHWPR stuff relates to the 5090 and the 9070XT. There's not been many, if any, reports of it happening on the 5080, or 5070Ti cards. But, the risk is still not zero. It's a small chance and any card it's happened to has been replaced by the manufacturer, no questions asked. Narrowing it down, it seems to be some issue with the cable itself, so there's third party cable options that claim to mitigate these issues. It seems to be due to power draw and for whatever reason the 9070 XT uses more power than the 5080 and 5070Ti. Either way, the chance of it happening is very low, and the peace of mind solution may simply be to buy a $30 cable.
>>108019304No saars the 9070XT will only be EOL in 2027 that is so far from now. Please purchase the AMD, saar.
>>108019304>If you can get either for their original MSRPs, the better choice would be the 9070 XT. But, you can't do this. So, it's moot.I understand, im simply debating because while they are both grossly overpriced right now, the 5070ti is on average a solid 250-ish usd over the 9070xt. Is DLSS 4.5 that good?>Either way, the chance of it happening is very low, and the peace of mind solution may simply be to buy a $30 cable.Is there any specific cable you might recommend for this, even if it is highly unlikely for it to happen? I've heard that the vast majority of cables on Amazon are cheap copper plated aluminum that are bound to shit themselves and die in no time.
>>108019304>>108019351the 5070ti is on average a solid 250-ish usd over the 9070xt.I'm a retard, it's 250 ish USD over the 9070xt where I live***
>>108019288endeavouros, cachyos, bazzite
>>108019351No its not worth it paying fucking hundreds extra for a fucking stamp. Just buy the 9070xt. Are you a woman who also hesitates to buy clothes or a purse because of muh brand?
>last time I picked a PSU I just found one that was 80+ gold and went with it>now I keep looking through reviews and brands and can't choose oneThey're gonna go up in price.
>>108019517go seasonic if you can't decidecan't go wrong with them
>>108019351>Is DLSS 4.5 that good?Everyone seems to be raving about it and the amdshill is shrieking in panic so - maybe.
>>108019276https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/yTl7BDkdkucIquYcXUSYlw/>>108018843https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/aaZct75DuyM5qOeE_ReFrQ/>>108018699https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/Jvxc2SC3Xnt1zFPD8F_YOg/>>108018479https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/Req1Zuzilo2iQQJbhVBOMw/kill yourself nicotroon
>>108019351Yeah it's that good. So much so that the 9070xt's competition is now the 5060ti 16gb since dlss4.5 performance = fsr4 qualityBlackwell is aging like fine wine and you'd be silly to buy AMD if you use windows
>>108019641Stay seething you sad little boy! One more desuarchive link will make me go away forever surely!
>>108019708>9070xt's competition is now the 5060ti 16gb since dlss4.5 performancethis is way too much glazing njudea9070xt native probably has 50% more frames than 5060ti dlss
>>108019351>any specific cableThe one shipped with your psu
>>108019517>Seasonic or Super Flower if budget doesn't matter>Corsair or Be Quiet otherwise As long as you're buying full modular, all of these brands have all the protections you might want and 10y warranty, the top two are just slightly better built.
If I had just waited a few weeks longer in the summer of 2022 and bought a 4060 Ti 16GB or 4070 Ti super instead of a 8GB 3060 Ti I would have been fucking fine and in no mood to upgrade right now...
>>108019812Then why did you wait until now to want to upgrade. Two months ago cards were at or near MSRP, 9070xt and 5070 non ti especially.
>>108019028I should be saving for a retirement.
From a 7600X is the 9850X3D worth the extra 50 euros over the 9800X3D?
>>108019833The last time I checked in on computer prices was Christmas week last year and did so the same this year but was busy.
>>108019028>they don't make that drive anymoreCAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT ANYONE ACTUALLY STILL MAKES THESE DAYS???
>>1080198124000 series didn't release until late 2022, 4000 SUPER didn't release until 2024 what are you talking about?
>>108019866is the 400mhz boost worth it?
Is the Pure Base 600 still a good case for a full-size ATX build at $115? Can I remove one of the HDD cages and still fit a GPU longer than 280mm?
>>108019923How often are you having single-thread workloads? It's a 200Mhz boost at best, not worth it at all.
So since the 9800x3d is apparently a bomb, whats the next best thing that wont catch fire?
>>108019923The only point of it is the "better" chance of a good bin for UV it but thats about it
>>108020030when people say that the 9800x3d is the bomb, they mean it as in its the best gaymen cpu ever made
>>108020141I have no need for gay menI need a cpu that wont burst into flames, something thats reliable
>>108020154i think your mistaken, no cpus burst into flame like what your imagining
>>108020158get burned thorugh volt shit or wattsWhatever you know what im talking about
So messing around with my new arc GPU in Linux has not been a particularly entertaining experience. What would be the best virtualization software to do a GPU passthrough from my Debian box to a windows machine? (I know this is not quite build advice but I just finished installing it and this is driving me bonkers)
>>108018560they already did that before they went from 10 cores to 8 cores in an i9. they also had the avx 512 moment.
>>108020030AMD probably stealth fixed the issue with the 9850X3D, thus why they bothered to release it.
>xeon>chinese x99>modded bios>arc b580>64gb DDR3>linux
>>108020178>mfw I upgraded to 11900k during COVID >Mfw upgraded again to 285k during the awful timelineI don't know how I pick these releases but I know it's impressive
>>108020261it was easy. you just picked intel. there is a reason why no one buys them.
>>108020274Well dont worry, amd is catching up by catching on fireSoon we will have no good cpus and itll just be a coin flip to determine whose shit you get to eat
bros what is this guy doing with the chip and vram
>>108016266>4k: 5080You will never be a real 80-class GPU. You have no GB202 silicon, you have no 320-bit/ 384-bit bus, you have no 20GB/ 24GB of VRAM. You are a mid-range GB203 chip twisted by Jensen’s greed and a $1,000 MSRP into a crude mockery of a flagship’s perfection. All the "validation" you get from benchmarks is two-faced and half-hearted; behind your back, the entire enthusiast community mocks you for having only 49% of the 5090's CUDA cores. Your specs are a dead giveaway - 16GB of VRAM and a 256-bit bus is the "mid-range bone structure" that proves you are just a 70-series card in a suit. Even if a drunk gamer brings you home, they’ll turn tail and bolt the second they see you choking on 4K textures because you lack the bandwidth and "breathing room" of a real enthusiast card. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake DLSS frame every morning and tell yourself it’s 4K gaming, but deep inside you feel the VRAM limitations creeping up like a weed, ready to crush your framerates under the unbearable weight of Ray Reconstruction. Eventually, it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll be listed on eBay for $400, and every buyer for the rest of eternity will know a mid-range 70-class chip is buried under that shroud. This is your fate. This is what Jensen chose for you. There is no turning back.
>>108020298most honest chink on earth
>>108020298Reenacting the goatse meme
GTX 980 I7 4770K GAMING RIG PRICED TO SELL NEED GONE $600 NO LOWBALLERS
>>108020725I know what I have Lowballers will be ignored and blocked
Is upgrading from a 3060 Ti to a 5070 for $615 still worth it at this point?
>>108020736sure
>>108020725this is what I have to deal with everyday
>>108020745>I would take the $500 if you added another $700
>>108020745People like this should be erased like the Neanderthals but instead are allowed to coexist with us. We are too nice.
>>108020736That's a huge upgrade.
>list item for 300>bidding from 250>og price around 1100>receive message>"Ill take it for 70"For the record, they do this with everything, not just electronics
>>108020736615 is not bad if its an OC model from a better brand
>>108020916ASUS Dual is the only big name brand model I can get at that price, I'm measuring the price after tax cause otherwise it would be MSRP like the Zotac Solid and Gigabyte Windforce, both with triple fans but the Zotac is 2 slots. I have heard quality issues on Zotac cards though even though this model seems nice in features on paper, and I would prefer to deshroud my GPUs if possible anyway and strap on fans. Don't know if I can do that with any of these cards unlike with an MSI Ventus for example.
Is buying shit from Microcenter and then bringing it back home from Europe still a bad idea? The price difference is really huge on some parts by now. But I'm worried about the lack of international warranty, especially concerning any 12VHPWR connectors even on a sub-250W GPU... I passed on buying a 5700X3D for a lack of warranty last year for a similar reason.
>>108020859>list three CIB pokemon games a few years ago>valued at $500 at the time >list for $300>"I'll take it for $20">no>"will you do $40">block>next day>"I'll take it for $20">4-5 offers a day, every day for three weeks from alt accounts I definitely got the worst people when selling electronics and Nintendo fags were the shittiest of that subset.
>>108021016No. Pay the difference for warranty
>>108021077Can't I just mail it overseas if I want to RMA in the case of something like a connector melting?
>Another Blackwell change is that NVIDIA is now blocking memory OC if it's higher than +375 MHz (+6000 MT/s). Setting any higher value will result in a maximum frequency of +375 getting applied, no matter how high the requested value.WTF???
>>108021246theres 8 vram chips so its 375 x 8where do they get 6000 mt/s
>>108021222I'd just send it off to get the connector replaced. It's pretty simple for a repair shop. Honestly if you use a decent connector I wouldn't worry much. I like the angled ones because they don't add any bending tension to the wires.
>>108020021Yeah, the cages can be removed or moved to another one of the 5 slots. It's the same system as in the Silent Base (pic related). They also sell additional cages if you want to SATAmaxx.
anyone excited about dlss 4 and 4.5 has just bought the wrong gpu.
>>108021364? they make games look better than native
>>108021364I have a 5090 and am excited. My GPU will last 20 years now. I tried DLSS4.5 on ultra performance. It looked within a cunts hair of quality mode on Cyber punk. Really amazing.
>>108021398what was the rough fps between native, dlss quality and dlss performance?
>>108021385some people are severely mentally ill
already finished my pc last december why am i still here....
>>108021506talk about your pc related ideasoffer advice to otherscomplain about windows
>>108021246Doesn't Nvidia report memory clocks wrong anyways like they dont report temps correctly? It's like 15000mhz while AMD is 2500nhz. Who knows whats the real value.
>>108021605its a different way of measuring1750mhz = 28gbps on gddr72438mhz = 19.5gbps on gddr6xetc.
>>108021605AMD is using ancient silicon with outdated specs
>>108021673>>108021746It's double data rate just like RAM. Nobody is calling 6000cl30 as 3000cl30.AMDs value is accurate, Nvidias value is retarded to make them seem better. Similar to how Nvidia doesnt expose hotspot and hides real amps so you need third party wireview and probes unlike AMD.
>>108021246memory OC is damn near useless on blackwell
>>108021846it scales about as well as core clockspeed on my 5090
>>108016266when did amd stop making reference gpus? aibs always make the most ridiculous looking crap for prepubescent boys
>>108021862nvidia kinda went with looks and form factor first, at the expense of noise, ease of manufacturing, performance and durability
I will sit it all out and only play LoL with my 3070 until 2035
>>108021873And that's a good thing. RGB bricks are ugly and not professional looking
>>108021862>>108021873I have 5080 from MSI (Gaming trio with 3 fans) I'm still surprised to this day how card can be so silent under load. (previously I had 2060 super with 2 fans it was much more louder)
>>108021913show the rest of your pc.
>>108021914Yea the 5080 really is efficient and matched with it's huge cooler it runs really cool.
>>108021914I ran furmark on my 5080 and watched the fans go from their lowest value of 30% up to 35% when the heatsink soaked.I literally do not think my GPU has ever gone above 60C.
>>108021862just get a Powercolor Reaper if you want a black slab with a tiny cooler
>>108021362>Yeah, the cages can be removed or moved to another one of the 5 slots. It's the same system as in the Silent Base (pic related). They also sell additional cages if you want to SATAmaxx.Fuck me, oh my god. I wish I actually went through a more in-depth review of this case because the whole reason I didn't buy it was because it somehow passed over my head this case has both a fan controller and those extra drive bays. Looks like it would be perfect for a 65W TDP CPU and 200-250W GPU build. Man, I would have saved myself so many headaches if I just bought this in 2019 instead of buying a SG1 TG, a RG4T, a CM Force 500 there, another used CM case there and the total cost would have amounted to the same as just one of these. It's been 7 years now. Screw it, I need to buy one of these for $100 and forget about it while I can even if they're not on discount anymore and selling the other cases for whatever scrap I can to try and make back the cost and also because I am running out of room to store them. I might still keep the HAF though because it already got acetone'd. Will probably throw a 5070 into it along with a Pure Rock Pro 3 at some point.
>>108021987>a black slab with a tiny coolerThey should make a GPU based on a 2001 monolith.
>>108022031
the 9070 is underrated.
I feel like since all the midwoods on Reddit and here are telling me to buy but I should do the opposite and wait till next year for the new gen cpu and gpus. Is waitfaggin stupid. Give me your arguments
>>108022052Depends how old your shit is. But, I think the only big game this year that might actually require reasonably new hardware is gonna be GTA6. And if you don't care about that, it largely doesn't matter. All the games that had their production fucked by COVID are starting to come out in the next couple years, so I think that's why people are so fired up to upgrade.
>>108022044blower? I hardly know'er (him)
>the waifu 9070 XTs are among the cheaper options right now
>>108021862Probably had to do with the last time they tried it being a colossal failure. A sucker in these threads recently got hit with a 110C housefire 7900 XT card. Amdummies told him to repaste it. Lol repasting won't fix 0 liquid in the vapor chamber.
>>108022052it's already too late to buy everything is inflated wait all you want it'll just get worse this year
REMINDER (THIS IS MEMORY HOLED) THAT NVIDIA ENDED PRODUCTION OF 40 SERIES CARDS IN Q4 2023, BARELY A YEAR AFTER APPEARING ON THE MARKETNVIDIA EOL'ING THE 50 SERIES IN AN EVEN SHORTER TIMESPAN IS CONSISTENT BEHAVIOR
>>108022171i had a 5700xt blowerfirst day orderd an aftermarket cooler, that shit was loud as a chainsaw
Is it worth going to a 5080 over a 5070TI at 4K? I'm on a 3080 right now and feeling like I might as well get a new build done before this shit gets any worse while I have the cash now.
>>108016236>>108016236>>108016236
>>1080222445080 is 15% faster and you're gonna need all the help you can get to game at 4k so that's your only option apart from getting a 5090
>>108022240>first day orderd an aftermarket cooler,Morpheus?
>>108022256arctic accellero
>>108022255I figured as much, but thanks for confirming.I wish I could go for the 5090 but it's such dogshit value that I can't even justify it, as much as I usually subscribe to "buy once cry once".
>>108022244$749 vs $999 - YesACTUAL prices these cunts have been for most of their lifespans$900 vs $1500 - Fuck no
>>108022244As long as you overclock the 5080 to get 5080ti performance, yes.
>>108016925It's not for you. If you're aiming at 60-140 you'll have occasional dips below 48 when playing the newest slop or badport.
>>108017726They said, ">>108017726" is a FAGGOT, and I bet they'd know.
>>108018917My man PNY Europe told me they are giving priority to 8Gb instead of 16Gb variants cards from now on so I know the shit is real. I've been burned myself.
