>1. Human beings evolved under primitive, low-tech conditions. This is our natural state of existence.>2. Present technological society is radically different than our natural state, and imposes unprecedented stresses upon us, and on nature.>3. Technologically-induced stress is bad now and will get much worse, leading to a condition where humans will be completely manipulated and molded to serve the needs of the system. Such a state of affairs is undignified, abhorrent, disastrous for nature, and profoundly dehumanizing.>4. The technological system cannot be fixed or reformed so as to avoid this dehumanized future.>5. Therefore, the system must be brought to an end.Was he right?
Hes right thatll lead to communism like hes former soviet union
>>108017864If you actually cared you'd read Jacques Ellul, which is where Teddy got "his" actual good ideas from, instead of his meme manifesto
>>108017864I used to think so but AI actually really breaks this trajectory. AI is a huge equalizer. Just for what it has allowed me to create with ease, I can't possibly call it negative.
>>108017864>Therefore, the system must be brought to an endthis is where he was wrong, you cant stop tech progress
>>108018339Technically you can. Youd have to raise two generations in the wilderness without an education by the third everything would be forgotten.
>>108018355>Youd have to raise two generations in the wilderness no, youd have to invode nuclear holocaust of the earth into extinction because you cant control what every single person in the world will do or wont do and also make sure every single human in history in the future does the same
>>108018390>invodeinvoke
>>108018390I mean if its everyone on earth itd havd to be polpotism
>>108018355yeah, until a child decides to use a log in a cilindrical way to move stuff around again in your new "utopic" world. we are programmed to come to where we are, if you put us back where we start we would do it all over again, wheel, soap, fuel, internet, AI, whatever comes next
>>108017864He was wrong. Living without running water and modern conveniences made him miserable.
>>1080178641. evolution isn't real2. human beings are incredibly flexible and capable of adapting to various environments, especially over the course of multiple generations3. primitive, low-tech environments are far more stressful than high-tech ones, which is partly why third-worlders act like subhumans; the stress rots their brainsother two points are moot.
>>108017864Basically a version of the three rules of reactions to technology from Hitchhikers Guide?
>>108017864You can admit that 1-4 are true but that 5 is impossible outside of a planet wide catastrophe which would destroy the human race. Even though that is my conclusion I don't feel that the point of the argument should be abandoned. There's still a checklist of things that can be improved upon with going full nuclear. It doesn't have to be as B&W as TK makes it out to be.
>>108017864>Human beings evolvedStopped reading there, brainlet ramble discarded.
>>108018058All Ellul does is try to personify "technique" as an all-encompassing thing and then people respond to this in ways that bring about more technique. You're better off reading Ted's manifesto, it's not as long.(Disclaimer: I've read Ellul and Uncle Ted ~7 years ago)
>>108018058not OP, but thank you
>>108018058>>108022230>>108022328https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnbOntzVGzY>he believes that the benefits of the automated driving far outweigh the risks of accidents caused by human errorellul seems like a tech cuck
