just werks: the distro
>>108024621>no drivers for nVidia users>no proprietary codecs>no hardware acceleration>defaults to Fedora's flatpak repo where apps are compiled without proprietary drivers, codec or hw acceleration supportKinoite is just a shit version of Aurora.
>>108024621>just krashes: the distroFify
>>108024857>AuroraWhat the hell is an auroraI've been thinking of trying one of these atomic, immutable, whatever distros.There's that MicroOS thing and Kalpa There's Fedora Kinoite, I don't know that I want raw fedora with the issues I had with itI tried Bazzite but honestly I want to stay way the fuck away from it if possibleSo what does Aurora offer?
Meant Ubuntu btw
How do I get a DEB package to install in Fedora Kinoite? There's software I need but the developer only distributes the Linux version in DEB packages.
>>108024621>install Fedora>install Nvidia's drivers per Nvidia's instructions>install all my normie apps as flatpaks>create toolbox dev environment>make pod for postgres>jusd wrks>install a couple games on steam>jusd wrks>use distrobox to make an Arch box>no use case, just wanted to do it>jusd wrksJust install base Fedora and LARP being immutable. You get the best of both worlds.
yep, I'll stick to it. maybe KDE Linux or opensuse Kalpa will be able to compete when they're ready but for now its the best
>>108025172Use use distrobox or some variation of to make a container with a debian environment. Same answer for literally any distro that isn't debian based.
>>108025172Distrobox might help
>>108025200>can't roll back a bad updatejust do the same larp but on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
>>108025159>what does Aurora offer?It's Fedora Kinoite without these flaws >>108024857Also with brew and distrobox/DistroShelf pre-installed if you need them. And it swaps Discover for Bazaar and Konsole with Ptyxis. The update manager is a "one click to update everything" (system, firmware, flatpak, brew, distrobox, and other random stuff like global npm/python packages and vs code extensions)>>108025172I'm not sure if Kinoite has distrobox pre-installed or not, but that's the current way of running cross-distro packages. You create a debian or ubuntu container then install the package there. Then you can "export" the application so that it appears in your application menu. DistroShelf provides a GUI for some of this.
>>108025159NevermindI just checked and it's just basically bazzite without the gamer shit.What is even the point
>>108025228>everything is containerized>no dependencies to cause conflicts/dependency hell>no cruft fucking things upWhat exactly is going to brick my PC? If a fresh install with nothing technically installed at the host level gets bricked then every PC running Fedora is getting bricked, too.
>>108025228Ok but how well does transactional-update work?I've been looking at having a setup like that since Kalpa is still pretty much a one guy hobbyist project most people don't give two fucks about. But I wonder if it's even practical.
>>108025250>And it swaps Discover for Bazaar and Konsole with Ptyxisdumb changes
>>108025268idk but Tumbleweed uses zypper
yea all this immutability and container mentall illness is retarded, just install fedora workstation / fedora kde
>>108025268>Ok but how well does transactional-update workI'm the anon saying to LARP as immutable, but it works exceptionally well. It's like a rug in your living room that you can just magically rip out/replace/change and nothing in the living room is effected. It's basically just a git commit, but for the OS.
>>108024857>Kinoite is just a shit version of Aurora.I'm glad you're enjoying your distro made by*checks notes*A trans Brazilian furry named Tulip Blossom.
>>108025288That is the exact kind of person I want with direct write access to my initramfs. Sign me up!
>>108025288wait I thought Bazzite is the tranny distro, Aurora too?
>>108025228>can't roll back a bad updatesure you can just install root on btfs and install the limine bootloader + snapper-sync. or grub if you must, that also has a sync
>>108025301>just
>>108025275See on one hand I would agree, bazaar is... something else. Hold up I need to vomitOn the other hand Discover is the slowest piece of shit store I've ever used. Please no.
>>108025299Probably all of Universal Blue except for the base Universal Blue image.
>>108025299Very similar distros for very similar communities full of very similar stinking thoughts
>>108024621>WaylandNo thanks.
>>108025275Konsole doesn't support containers as smoothly as Ptyxis and Discover is unresponsive trash compared to Bazaar. The changes make sense.>>108025280Fedora Atomic distros aren't even immutable in the way people think they are. Immutability only applies to the "currently deployed image". But you can make modifications to the OS all you want just like on any other distro, you just need to reboot to apply some changes like installing/removing system packages.Deleting something from your /bin is reverted after a reboot, but uninstalling a package through their package manager is not reverted.You're not really losing anything by using an atomic distro, you just can't rely on some hacks and specific scriptkiddie scripts.>>108025299All distros are tranny distros because it's mostly trannies who are mentally ill enough to work on software for free.>>108025299That's just some random contributor who contributes to a lot of Universal Blue projects. His github profile says he works mostly on Bluefin. But I know that the Bluefin creator and main maintainer is some normal white guy.
>>108025159>What the hell is an auroraIt's made by the same guys as Bazzite. It's basically the same thing except it doesn't come with gaming apps like steam or lutris by default. They also have bluefin which is like aurora but it uses gnome instead of kde. >>108025172Toolbox my friend.
>>108025354>It's made by the same guys as Bazzite.Yeah that's all I need to know. I'll look elsewhere
>>108025200You know for the few packages that absolutely need to be on the system, you can just layer them with rpm-ostree right?
>>108025306cachyos has those options right in the installer
>>108025354>It's made by the same guys as BazziteIt's not. Aurora and Bluefin are separate projects made and maintained by separate people. They're all just based on Universal Blue where some contributors contribute to multiple UBlue images.This is like saying Arch is made by the same guys who made Bazzite just because uupd is in the AUR.
>>108025564Ngl I assumed all the universal blue distros were made by the same people.
>>108025564>This is like saying Arch is made by the same guys who made Bazzite just because uupd is in the AUR.it's actually like saying any debian fork (ubuntu, mint, etc.) is made by people behind debian
>>108025368Yep. Don't care. I have full access to the system and get like 90% of the benefits of immutables. It's a trade off I'm willing to take to retain freedom.
I just use regular fedora workstation and everything works perfectly.
>>108025645>losing freedom when using immutable distroYou lose literally nothing, stop being retarded.
>>108025200This is the way
>>108025748I lose my gpu drivers, because the rpm-fusion akmod ones don't work :)
>atomic shills in full force todayWhat happened? Did Bazzite kick out another chud who was working on something important?
>>108025801If that were the case then it would be impossible for Aurora to exist.Looks like you didn't even do a simple web search on how to install a driver on atomic distros. The AI summary literally gives you the commands to copy and paste into your terminal.
>>108025288usecase for pronouns?
>>108024857>no drivers for nVidia users>no proprietary codecsbased
>>108025747same but kde instead of gnome because i dont want my DE to look like a fucking ipad kid OS
>>108025934>The AI summary literally gives you the commands to copy and paste into your terminal.You're like the fifth retard to say this. I know how to use rpm-ostree. I know how to enable rmp fusion repos. I know how to install the drivers on the host OS as a layer. That doesn't make the driver function on my machine. Regardless of that, you're ultimately relying on rpm-fusion as the maintainer vs getting it directly from the actual GPU manufacturer's repo.
>>108024621Fedora is pretty good. I run it on my laptop, but I still Pop on my main build daily because I've used it so long now and it just works.Thought about dual booting Fedora for a bit though.
>>108024621>fedorayou are unpaid beta tester for redhat, and don't even get github brownies for doing so
>>108026303by this logic, arch are unpaid beta testers for fedora
>>108024621>fixes your distro
>>108026303il take being an unpaid beta tester for redhat over dealing with a small distro run by a bunch of retarded pornsick power hungry reddit mod tier trannies all fighting for power.
>>108026112I thought similarly, but once you think of screens as your minimize, it's just great. I thought gnome was retarded until it clicked and now I love it.
>>108026637This. It's like if Ubuntu was downstream of Mint, it would just make Mint significantly better because there's corporate funding fueling it but not controlling it.
>>108025349>You're not really losing anything by using an atomic distroI'd argue you're losing your time, as you constantly have to look up how to do X on Atomic installs.
>>108024857>flatpaks
>>108026831>you think of screens as your minimizeI was going to be mean and call you retarded because ive been poisoned by this place. Instead I want to sincerely ask you what you mean by this, because I don't really understand.
>>108027017So let's say you have something like spotify that you don't really need open. Something you'd typically open, change a song quickly, then close to the tray or minimize. In Gnome you just switch screens. The screens aren't just a feature that's neat, it's the main purpose of the DE. Maybe spotify in this example takes up that entire screen, maybe it's taking up half with another similar background app. Your browser would probably be another full screen. And IDE + terminal in another. Super + scroll to roll through screens, or alt + tab to the app you want and it will switch to that screen. You can even super and click the app and it will take you to the screen it's already open on, or super + type in the name of the app and hit enter for the same thing. You can drag windows from screen to screen in the super menu as well. You don't minimize in Gnome, you just switch to where the app is at, so you're never really fucking with layered/scattered/minimized/closed windows, you're just doing. You don't close something unless you're done with it.All of the extensions for it like minimize to dock completely miss the point of the DE, which is fair because it very different from most DEs, but it is 100% intentional, rather than some strange amalgamation of random features. Once it clicks, you'll either love it, or at the very least know that it's not for you and won't try to enjoy using something in a way it's not meant to be used.
>>108027259I see. Thank you anon, I can kind of coceptualize this now. While I think I prefer the standard mode of operating with my windows, I can see the appeal of a persons workflow is typically moving through a shit ton of windows all the time. But I guess im having trouble understanding why someone would want that and not say a tiling manager.
>>108027328>why someone would want that and not say a tiling manager.Those look neat, but I've never used one, so I can't answer that. From what I've seen of them, they're awesome at managing what's in front of you on one screen, but that's it. I imagine that once you're used to them it's just as good as the workstation flow, just different. I like the workstation workflow because I can just have one screen for Discord and can just switch from my dev screen to a fullscreened discord screen to see the link my friend is talking about in voice, another for my browser playing a youtube video in the background, and another for my notes, and etc. It's just nice compartmentalization vs shitloads of windows.
>>108027259>>108027328he just described virtual desktops, which isnt any different from KDE or even windows/macos
>>108024917sounds like kde issue
>>108028910The only times I've had issues with KDE plasma were always, always, always and without a single exception, on Fedora.I used Plasma on Arch and derivatives, Debian, openSUSE, even those shitty distros like Kubuntu, and I never experienced what I'd call Fedora crashes. Shit I remember I couldn't even install Fedora a few years ago with the KDE spin because it would constantly crash before I could get to the damn installer. I genuinely believe that most people who think Plasma is meant to crash often are Fedora users who have been conditioned to think this is normal.
>>108027259workspaces* you can do that shit on any DE or WM, one of the linux wonders that later other OS adopted
>>108026885>as you constantly have to look up how to do X on Atomic installs.Most people never need to do this. This is a niche problem which only exists for the existing "advanced" users who are too lazy to learn how a different system operates. This is the same as Windows power users saying Linux is unusable because the things they're used to doing aren't applicable to Linux. Except it's far less likely for differences to come up between Linux vs Atomic Linux compared to Linux vs Windows.>>108028974>The only times I've had issues with KDE plasma were always, always, always and without a single exception, on Fedora.Really? For me it's quite the opposite. Fedora and maybe Arch gave me the best experience. Ubuntu, openSUSE and Debian are fucking trash in comparison. Or at least that was the case back when I mainly used Ubuntu-based distros between 2016-2024. KDE was just unusable there while Fedora and Arch always just worked fine with KDE.
>>108029288I guess his argument is that gnome is so restrictive in its design that it forces you to use them more. Because a lot of users are used to your default Windows desktop, they often forget workspaces even exist. But in this they just have to deal with it. And GNOME does have dynamic workspaces.
>>108024621That's not Mint thoughbeit
>>108029307his argument is about how used he got to a limited workflow
>>108024621truth
