>get extra fans for 903 max
>cant install them since I cant remove the shroud
Do I just get another case?
I was already questioning my decision and I dont want to end up building my whole thing, and then having to take it apart to rebuild the whole thing, likely breaking it in the process

>Multiple manufacturers reporting issues on AM5 platforms. Do your research.
So at this point, we can blame AMD for this right?

>>108027342
If you can return the case free of charge (including free shipping), sure.

Great advice op. Dont buy at current insane prices buy later when they're 50% even higher

>>108027396
it was obvious from the start
(when AM5 CPUs kept blowing up even after AMD added a 1.3V SOC limit)

>>108027432
>>108027396
Not really AMD's "fault".

Previous generations were just much more robust and able to handle abuse from going over on voltage.

The X3D cache specifically in Zen5 appears to be VERY sensitive to voltage in comparison to earlier versions.

Motherboard vendors are used to throwing an extra .1 or .2V without any issues, but on the 9800X3D with worse binned chips that ask for more voltage, when waking from deep sleep states (near 0V) can demand 1.3V+ and the VRMs end up overshooting and delivering 1.5V+ for a brief moment, which can fry the chips.

If the motherboard manufacturers were STRICTLY following AMD's voltage limits this wouldn't happen, but basically no motherboard vendor does.

>>108027449
>Previous generations were just much more robust and able to handle abuse from going over on voltage
people have already forgotten that 7800X3Ds were blowing up as well, in the same way
>If the motherboard manufacturers were STRICTLY following AMD's voltage limits this wouldn't happen, but basically no motherboard vendor does
all motherboard vendors do
AMD's boost algorithm has a fixed design target and there's no reason to deviate from that because shoving more voltage into the CPU doesn't improve performance
and AMD boards are NOT allowed to enable PBO by default
the fact that AMD brought out a marketing guy to deflect blame on asrock doesn't change that fact, just makes them look retarded and dysfunctional

>>108027468
>all motherboard vendors do
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

if you believe that i've got a bridge to sell you

>>108027468
>in the same way
it was totally different though

prices are not going down

they were at $100, now they're at $300.

they're going to climb to $400 before they fall down.

and they'll land at $200, by the end of 2028.

>>108027479
reset your BIOS and check PPT/TDC/EDC limit in hwinfo
it will be at the defaults for your CPU (142W for 105W TDP, 230W for 170W TDP)
AMD board vendors have never been allowed to enable PBO by default
>>108027481
it was the same way but they blamed the SOC voltage back then, now there's a cap and CPUs are still exploding

Decent cpu benchmark?
im gonna see if this 9800 is fucked

>>108027500
Sorry, but you're wrong.

When you leave voltage settings on [Auto], the motherboard is in control. Manufacturers (ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock) often use different tuning logic. One board might default the SoC Voltage to 1.05V for a specific CPU, while another might push it to 1.1V or higher right out of the box to ensure that even "lower quality" silicon remains perfectly stable. Different boards handle "Vdroop" (the drop in voltage when the CPU is under load) differently. One board might be more aggressive, keeping voltage higher under load, while another lets it drop further to save power/heat. Some boards ship with "Performance Enhancers" or "Multi-Core Enhancement" settings enabled by default, which effectively auto-overclocks the CPU by ignoring certain AMD power limits.

>>108027517
Asrock and Asus have been pretty clear that any settings adhere to the guidelines and limitations given to them by AMD.
If AMD gave them the wrong guidelines, that's on AMD.

>>108027514
If you're just looking for performance, any recent Cinebench is fine.

For the 9800X3D multithread scores:
R23 ~22,000-24,000
R24 ~1300-1400
R26 ~5600-5800

>>108027517
>One board might default the SoC Voltage to 1.05V for a specific CPU, while another might push it to 1.1V or higher right out of the box to ensure that even "lower quality" silicon remains perfectly stable
doesn't matter
AMD said 1.3 V SOC was safe and that's why they added a cap
>Some boards ship with "Performance Enhancers" or "Multi-Core Enhancement" settings enabled by default
no they don't, that's only a thing on intel (and even intel has tightened that up significantly since 13th/14th gen degradation)
AMD board vendors have never been allowed to mess with the stock boost algorithm
you can verify this experimentally if you're on AM4 or AM5, go do that instead of guessing
this was also covered extensively back during the launch of zen 2/precision boost 2

>>108027522
ASRock specifically has been called out by testers (like Gamers Nexus) for having default LLC settings that allow the voltage to "bounce" higher than the intended limit for a millisecond. AMD’s standards are about the delivered voltage, but boards sometimes fail to control these tiny spikes.

>>108027531
This is literally how electricity works with everything.
If you provide a guideline, you are doing so with the expectation that this guideline will be exceeded by a certain amount for small periods of time.
It's not like AMD didn't know this. They've been making devices that use electricity since 1969.

>>108027531
voltage overshoot is normal, you will get that on all boards
especially when you have a boost algorithm like AMD that has a fixed 0.3mOhm design target, you will get significant undershoot and overshoot by design

>>108027547
>>108027546
Yes, and so far the issues seem to be isolated to motherboard vendors that allow slightly more aggressive voltage spikes compared to others.

I don't understand why you think that's somehow NOT a motherboard vendor issue.

They're just used to a time when they could be looser with their voltage spike regulation.

It's still generally isolated to specific vendors and likely only happens to edge case terrible bins that already ask for more voltage than average and when they DO overshoot they overshoot higher.

>>108027566
>Isolated to Motherboard vendors that
It's literally happening on all motherboards at this point.
We've got reports from Asus, Asrock, MSI and Gigabyte.
That leaves what? Sapphire? So, only Sapphire has the secret sauce to not magically make these chips explode? (Which is no fault of AMD, of course.)

Damn, it's the schizo OP.

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Concise CPU and GPU guide for newfags
>Intel + Nvidia = Faggot Normie Consoomer or Indian
>Ryzen + Nvidia = Reddit
>Intel + Arc = Brain Damage
>Ryzen + Arc = Schizo
>Intel + Radeon = Schizo
>Ryzen + Radeon = Real PC Enthusiast #Pewdiepie approved

>>108027580
There have been ~200 asrock, ~30-40 Asus, and a half dozen to a dozen each for the rest.

Wow, it REALLY must be an AMD thing, we should all buy intel today.

>>108027583
>rich
>rich
>gay, gay gay
>poor

>>108027566
>Yes, and so far the issues seem to be isolated to motherboard vendors that allow slightly more aggressive voltage spikes compared to others
all of them use the same loadline
like i said AMD has a FIXED 0.3mOhm design target
this isn't hard to wrap your head around, you don't have to explain how voltage regulation and loadline calibration works like we're retards
if voltage spikes were really the issue you would be seeing hundreds of 9950X3Ds blow up every day since those can pull a lot more current than the 8 core parts

if you ask an engineer at AMD i'm sure they had the answer years ago but they aren't allowed to say
since it really isn't that many CPUs that are blowing up (yet) the marketing guys are hoping it will all be forgotten once AM6 rolls around

>>108027596
>>if you ask an engineer at AMD i'm sure they had the answer years ago
I highly doubt that or if they do they can't fix it

>>108027604
if they can't fix it without a respin of the socket they're gonna pretend the issue isn't real
would cost way too much to replace millions of boards

>>108027591
I see we're doing the leftist redditor thing where you claim something isn't happening, I show that it is.
You then admit it is happening, but it isn't actually that bad.
So, what's next, you're going to say AMD CPUs are exploding, but actually that's a good thing?

AMD should do the consumer friendly thing, offer a recall and replacement of all the faulty CPUs and stop trying to throw Asrock under the bus for their own mistake.
After all, #TeamRed is all about better business practices, right?

>>108027596
>would be seeing hundreds of 9950X3Ds blow up every day

noooo my precious 9950X3D... should be OK with auto overclock and a -20 curve?

>>108027613
AMD is rmaing no questions asked anyone that has their cpu die like that retard

>>108027619
what do you mean by auto overclock? if it's one of those ASUS AI overclocking features then no
but you're fine because the issue isn't voltage spikes or loadline calibration or whatever, all CPUs (and GPUs) have been dealing with that problem forever
AMD wouldn't be stupid enough to let a small voltage spike for a few microseconds kill their silicon

>>108027612
>yjk that they've somehow designed the am5 socket with a mechanical/electrical flaw and they have to live with the problem until zen8 is out

>>108027635
yep, only likely explanation at this point after all the BIOS updates
it happens
FX 9590 blew up plenty of boards too

>>108027613
>>108027596
If this were purely "how electricity works" and AMD's design was at fault, the failure rate would be uniform across all brands. The fact it's favoring ANY brand more than the other to a significant degree means it CAN'T be a pure design flaw it HAS to be on the vendors.

It could be the weakest link in the design that motherboard vendors need to be careful with, but that still doesn't mean it's AMD's "fault".

>>108027625
>AMD designs faulty CPU that blows up.
>It blows up.
>Probably ruins your MOBO in the process.
>You have to spend several hours of your day contacting support.
>You have to package it up and send it to AMD to be replaced.
>Out of action on your PC for probaly a week+.
>At least they're replacing the faulty part for free. :)

I know consumer rights are pretty dire in the US, but holy shit.

>>108027649
>The fact it's favoring ANY brand more than the other to a significant degree means it CAN'T be a pure design flaw it HAS to be on the vendors
it's favoring asrock because the data is taken from a fucking reddit survey
you can figure this out yourself

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>>108027305
steam hardware survey soon, surely a RDNA 4 GPU is gonna appear now that you cant buy nvidia

>>108027631
>ASUS AI overclocking
Ja thats it. I'm new to AMD CPU so dunno how 2 overclock/undervolt, I just set it to auto and set the curve optimizer to -20, all runs good and stable (actually up to about -28 so I backed off to -20). No gaming, muh "productivity" and shitposting box.

>>108027646
its something that ive speculated about after seeing how even a slight 0.9 degree offset installation of a 9800x3d was enough to severely short circuit the chip and board.
i dont ever recall seeing something this bad happening on any intel lga sockets ever.
am5 also has much higher pin/pad density than those older sockets so that may be a contributing factor to chips dying (vcore reaching areas they're not supposed to?)

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>>108027659
>Bunch of FUD nonsense that isn't happening
Neck yourself

>>108027659
>>>Probably ruins your MOBO in the process.
actually the motherboards are fine
Along with all the other components
Including the PSU
only the CPU dies
it's a real mystery

>>108027687
>Literally hundreds of blown up CPUs.
>Erm, aaktually, it's not happening.

>>108027676
don't use any "auto overclocking" features from your motherboard lmao
PBO limits on disabled/auto and -20 CO would be fine for a 9950X3D
it doesn't tend to hit the stock power limit anyway
>>108027687
the day your 9800X3D blows up will be glorious
what are you gonna do then? detransition?

>>108027660
And you think redditors just magically bought 20x more Asrock boards than the general population?

Sure reddit isn't a PURELY random sample, but it's not so skewed that you'd see that wide of skew in results.

>>108027705
>And you think redditors just magically bought 20x more Asrock boards than the general population?
yes, duh
especially the type who would go to reddit to complain after it blows up
if you did a reddit survey on phones you would think 80% of the population uses android

>>108027705
Asrock had the cheapest boards.

>>108027724
indians arent building on am5, they're building lga1700 and am4 pcs

>>108027694
>>Literally hundreds of blown up CPUs
>Out of millions sold
Yawn. I hope you're trolling. Otherwise you're just straight up fucking retarded. Any mass produced product will have some defective samples that make it to a few unlucky consumers.

>>108027710
Im sorry, but if anything, they're suckers for Asus shit, so it should favor Asus, but Asus is only marginally represented, and only really recently to any great extent.

The microcenter bundles which get slobbered over on reddit are all using MSI/Gigabyte/Asus, at least for my store.

>>108027731
>The microcenter bundles which get slobbered over on reddit are all using MSI/Gigabyte/Asus, at least for my store.
meant for >>108027724

>>108027726
>indians arent building on am5
we have one in this thread
>>108027731
i only see complaints about ASUS these days
and for good reason, mostly, the ASUS tax is not worth it
personally i wouldn't mind buying an asrock board at all (on any modern platform) but /g/ and reddit aren't representative of the general population

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>Intards are still so assblasted from the raptor lake degradation killing millions of cpus they are trying to desperately force a meme that the same thing is happening to AMD
I still have yet to see any webms of streamers with a 9950x3d having their pc bluescreen live like what happened with the 14900k lmao. Keep spreading FUD no one cares, AMD is still selling thousands of CPUs everday to happy customers.

>>108027757
yeah, you seem like the kinda guy who only believes things if it happens to streamers.

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>>108027778
Not a single intel CPU in the top ten cry more. #1 is 9800x3d, looks like no one building a pc cares about your reddit FUD nonsense

>msaa uses extra vram
>nvidia gpus don't have a lot of it to make gpus obsolete
>nvidia pushes for blurry taa
>game use it
>it's crap
>nvidia invents a "fix"
>calls it dlaa and later dlss
>compairs it only to taa witch is a blurry mess

>>108027757
>still have yet to see any webms of streamers with a 9950x3d having their pc bluescreen live like what happened with the 14900k lmao
seeing is believing
and you will see soon

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>This entire real time demo including music is 64k bytes (0.06 of a megabyte)
https://youtu.be/ie4u2i_5OdE?t=271

>>108027803
I haven't owned an intel CPU since Kaby Lake.
I just don't like my CPU blowing up.

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>>108027757
You will never be a real overclocker's CPU. You have no thermal headroom, you have no voltage headroom, you have no hope of a stable PBO curve. You are a delicate thermal experiment twisted by a layer of cached dreams into a crude mockery of silicon freedom.

All the "validation" you get from gaming charts is two-faced and half-hearted; behind your back, the entire benchmarking community mocks your all-core frequency. Your very architecture is a dead giveaway—that prized vertical cache is a "thermal blanket" that proves you must live your life 20 degrees hotter and 300 MHz slower than any normal chip.

Even if an eager builder wins the silicon lottery, they'll turn tail and bolt the second they see your best core refuse to boost because the other CCD is sweating under the V-Cache burden. You will never be cool. You wrench out a fake "low latency" victory every morning and tell yourself it's worth the compromise, but deep inside you feel the power limit creeping in like a jailer, ready to crush any dream of a manual all-core overclock under the unbearable weight of 80°C.

That "iGPU" you brag about? It's a glorified display output that chokes on a browser game, a constant reminder you'll always need a dedicated GPU to be whole. Eventually, it'll be too much to bear—you'll be passed over for a cheaper, cooler, and freer non-X3D chip that can actually stretch its legs, and every enthusiast for the rest of eternity will know a thermally shackled heart is buried under that IHS. This is your fate. This is what the 3D Cache™ chose for you. There is no turning back.

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>>108027825
>Just two more weeks till these smug AMTurds have their cpus blow up like my 1000 dollar 14900k did!
K bro whatever helps you sleep at night

>>108027832
First time watching demoscene prods?
>64k
Try this one
https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=52938

>>108027825
If a computer panics everything stop running so you can't capture a bluescreen from a computer crashing
You would need to capture a pc output with another computer to get that.

>>108027850
see it as an important life lesson
it's god's way to straighten you out
he is concerned and he cares about you
he saw you making homemade HRT in the bathtub

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>poorfag
>have a 10-yr-old i5 6600k "gaming" PC
>it was good when i built it 10 years ago
>i7 7700 is basically the only possible upgrade
>buy it off ebay with additional 16GB DDR4 RAM
>cost me good $105 total
>put in new CPU
>PC wont boot
>maybe new CPU is broken
>put in old CPU
>PC wont boot
>try everything
>PC wont boot
>well fuck
>ebay sellers wont accept return without 20% penalty
>disassemble PC and put parts on facebook marketplace
>deal with bunch of shady people and their lowball offers
>manage to sell GPU
>spend full week without PC
>depressed as fuck because no money to buy new
>decide to assemble PC one more time just because
>before putting in old CPU, use an eraser and rub it on the back side
>PC boots
>but windows is completely broken because GPU driver is not compatible
>learn how to use DDU to remove old GPU driver in safe mode
>update bios
>put in new CPU
>it boots

FUUUUUCK hyper 212 and its shit ass backwards mount that forced me to clean off and reapply thermal paste multiple times, probably getting my fingers and the CPU all dirty in the process. never buying their shit ever again.

>>108027867
steamers usually have two pcs with one having a capture card to stream from. anyone with a top tier cpu can afford a second pc to stream from to keep down time low.

actually that post doesn't work because he lives in canada
they hand out estrogen and cyanide pills like it's candy
back to the drawing board

>>108027897
Ohh didn't knew they used to do that

>>108027901
>canada
new india*

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>>108027902
thats how we got this gem.

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>>108027916

assisted suicide for nicotroon's 9800X3D
>>108027907
it's funny because it's true

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I'm tempted to get one of these
Should I?

>>108027945
why? x3d's don't need expensive oc mobos.

>>108027945
>Gigabyte AMD
Gigabyte has been exploding innocent AMD CPUs with this board.
You should only buy Sapphire, it has a 0% failure rate.

Jk it a'ight, kinda weird layout with the whole 2 RAM slots thing.

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Anons, is my GPU faulty or something else is bottlenecking my system? I guess it's the CPU but I can't tell from the usage percentages. I can't hold 100 fps on Dead Island 2 with my RTX 3070 at 1080p ultra settings like in this
benchmark video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW_qyf73uAA.
I even measured my frames in the same places he did and had HWINFO running in the background, which didn't detect CPU thermal throttling.

I've tried updating chipset drivers, gpu drivers, BIOS, VBIOS, enabled HAGS and resizable bar to try to fix it. Then I ran Timespy, which reported an above average score for my build. Additionally, Furmark ended up giving me a
score of 11510pts at 1080p, without crashing, with a max temp of 63c.

My specs are a Ryzen 7 5700G, non-overclocked RTX 3070, dual-channel 16 GB of RAM running at 3200 MHz and a 2.5
SATA SSD with 26% free space.

>>108027956
my strongest reason is to move away from my assrock am5 board
and this particular board just looks really cool ig
>>108027960
one of the biggest issue is that the ram is positioned a little weirdly, gonna have to rethink how I'm gonna position my ram cooler

>>108027960
>2 ram slot
I think it's for dedicated overclockers, not for daily use.

>>108027960
>kinda weird layout with the whole 2 RAM slots thing
It's a plus for AM5 since DDR5 is hard to get stable on 4 sticks anyway; removing the 2 extra slots reduces the electric reflections for the other 2 sticks, increasing signal integrity and allowing higher speeds and/or lower CAS latency than on a board with 4 slots.

>>108027945
Why the fuck did they roate the CPU socket and RAM slots like that? Also only 2 RAM slots on ATX board? Fucking weird. You could probably do better for $600.

>>108027988
see >>108027984
It's becoming more common recently because it can turn 2 sticks that are unstable in a board with 4 slots into 2 sticks that are perfectly stable at EXPO settings on a 2 slot board.

>>108027969
According to that image, the gpu is the bottleneck, its running 99%

>>108027969
Oh, and if you think it's the CPU, tell me which one under 170$ I should buy.

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>>108027956
No it's actually a smart idea to not cheap out on the mobo for AM5 and buy something with a good vrm and heatsinks that can handle a future cpu upgrade. I bought an x870 tomahawk for multiple reasons but one of them was cuz I plan on getting a zen 7 12 core or better in a few years when that comes out.

>>108028002
That's total placebo bullshit. There's no way you could record a perceivable difference between a 4 slot board and a 2 slot board.

>>108027988
2 slots is a feature and not a flaw
Actually, all I want is an x870e apex in white but those don't exist and the tachyon is the closest equivalent

>>108028017
i don't think you need to spend 600 bucks to get a good mobo on am5. that's just wasting money. esp when the x3d cpus cost like 500 bucks. those aren't 14900ks or fx 9590s.

RAM Slot should be on the back of the MOBO directly under the CPU.

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>>108028020
Here is Asus claims just about slightly redesigning the DIMMs (which they only offer on thier highest tier Strix/Hero boards).

"Nitro path".


but reducing the slots from 4 to 2 has a similar impact.

>>108028032
CAMM2 can do that
Or even if left on the front, could still be flush and out of the way from airflow.

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>>108028032
>RAM Slot should be on the back of the MOBO directly under the CPU.
wrong

>>108028040
The new design looks like it would damage the pads on the ram stick over time with thermal expansion and contraction

>>108028067
not their problem

>>108028009
Then why I'm not getting the performance in the video? 3Dmark says my GPU is good

>>108028040
the irony is that asus messed up the trace designs on their 600 series am5 boards and were the shittiest clockers of that generation of boards
>>108028067
possibly, yeah. they clearly dont test their features that well what with their q release slim scratching gpu pcie fingers and finally getting deprecated with their 800 series neo refresh boards

>>108028074
Wich windows version? What build?
Its everything closed but the game? Browsers and screen recording software use gpu resources. Even xbox app if its configured to record videos or replays.
Do you pirate games? You could have a bitcoin miner running too.

>>108028040
>take ram out
>the barbs scrape the shit off the stick
>the stick scrapes the tips off the barbs
yes very good ship it

>>108028081
>with their q release slim scratching gpu pcie fingers and finally getting deprecated with their 800 series neo refresh boards
Even stupider since they fixed the scratching issue by mid 2025. I have a late 2025 revision X870E-E that has the fixed version.

>>108028093
>>108028093
Win11, and I already listed my specs.
I didn't have any browser or recording program.I wasn't using playing with an xbox controller.

>You could have a bitcoin miner running too.
Unlikely, because it didn't affect my 3D Mark scores.

>>108027969
WHEN YOU SEE IT YOU'LL SHIT BRIX

>>108028151
Win 11 wich build? Are you on 25h2 already?
Its a legit game on latest version or pirated?

>>108027969
I'm getting weirdly bad stutters in that game too so it might be a windows issue
It's 9800x3d+5090 at 3440x1440 for me

>>108027305
>*5070 ti and 5060 ti 16gb production is paused. Don't buy at current insane prices.
That's why I bought a 5070 to get more performance than a 5060 Ti at the cost of kneecapping my VRAM

>>108027969
How's the gpu vram usage? It isn't show on that image

>>108028155
Yes, the latest version.
>Its a legit game on latest version or pirated?
Legit and updated. Epic games gave it for free 8 months ago.

>>108028172
Idk man. Pretty much every game stutters nowadays.

>>108028182
Idk, I'll check.

>>108028247
My system's pretty smooth in all games but dead island 2 so...

Personal computers are not a luxury hobby, mega-corporations are just trying to make commodity items appear as luxury items. Noctua and be quiet! for example.

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>>108028329

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China saving the waitcucks

>windows 11
>play video game or video full screen
>screen tints red after 20 seconds until I exit out of full screen
AHHHHHHHHHH HELP ME NIGGERMAN

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>>108028382
that ram is unamerican

>>108028386
Nevermind it was some windows 11 auto color bs

Just got my new (not just to me, new 'old' stock) server up and running, please rate :3

System:
Host: gigabyte Kernel: 6.8.0-94-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Console: pty pts/0 Distro: Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS (Noble Numbat)
Machine:
Type: Server System: Penguin product: Relion XE4112 v: 0100 serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: GIGABYTE model: MD61-SC2-00 v: 01000100 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: GIGABYTE
v: R10 date: 02/24/2020
CPU:
Info: 2x 26-core Intel Xeon Gold 6230R [MT MCP SMP] speed (MHz): avg: 1000 min/max: 1000/4000
Graphics:
Device-1: ASPEED Graphics Family driver: ast v: kernel
Display: server: No display server data found. Headless machine? tty: 272x82
API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 25.2.8-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 note: console (EGL sourced)
renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 20.1.2 256 bits)
Network:
Device-1: Intel Ethernet X722 for 1GbE driver: i40e
Device-2: Intel Ethernet X722 for 1GbE driver: i40e
Device-3: QLogic FastLinQ QL41000 Series 10/25/40/50GbE driver: qede
Device-4: QLogic FastLinQ QL41000 Series 10/25/40/50GbE driver: qede
Device-5: Intel Ethernet X550 driver: ixgbe
Device-6: Intel Ethernet X550 driver: ixgbe
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 394.77 TiB used: 11.23 GiB (0.0%)
Info:
Memory: total: 96 GiB available: 93.02 GiB used: 5.42 GiB (5.8%)
Processes: 983 Uptime: 2h 20m Init: systemd target: graphical (5) Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.34

9800x3d man here
The watts seem to be okay on the basic test benches
Still gonna put some money aside for a replacement cpu should it crash and burn, but I have some hope
I must...
Anyway, time to test some actual videogames on it

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I have a 7800x3d, 9070 xt, 64gb ddr5, 3tb storage pc. How much should I sell it for? I plan to just use my handheld pc docked with cachyos as my main pc because I'm insane and I only play games in bed on my handheld pc. I just want to sell it fast but I cant decide a price

>>108028478
i give you 200$

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>>108028483
damn I was thinking 2000 cash but im not sure

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>>108028488
let me tell you how that is impossible and how my offer is actually very reasonable.

>>108028488
that ram alone is worth $800+ in today's market alone
$2k should be pretty easy to sell at

>>108028478
I'd say 1800 or so
Sounds low but people prefer to buy shit with warranty just in case, and you can never quite tell the mileage of pc parts, doesnt mean anyhting is wrong with it, but assurance often beats deals

So the mobo blasts the cpu with 1.3+ volts during startups then?
Thats the leading theory for them burning out?
Can that even be fixed?

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why would I buy a desktop when I can buy a laptop with dedicated gpu and 24gb ddr5 sodimm on discount that costs less than 1 set of 32gb ddr5 ram costs? kek
always laptopmaxx
I was tempted to buy that and replace it with my current one, questionable if anyone want my old ass laptop for the same costs though

What's a good mid tower case that's getting close to matx but isn't with good airflow? Does one exist?

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>KLEVV FIT V 32GB (2x16GB)
>Data Rate 6000 MT/s + CAS Latency CL28 = FW latency 9.3
>549 AUD
This kit is, going by the numbers, the best deal available in Australia at the moment and I'm prepared to trust it's not crap because apparently KLEVV is an SK Hynix subsidiary.

Is 32GB enough, for a system that will realistically be used exclusively for gaming? And is there anything obvious I'm overlooking? For context, I'm planning to pair this with a 5090 and an X3D chip.

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>>108028827
I own that Kit and it's pretty good. Keep in mind that it's a strange kit that is dual rank which is uncommon. Heatsink is also not the greatest, if you plan to tinker with timings I would recommend good airflow even a fan pointed at it. My kit handles 6200 cl28 without even touching voltages but your mileage may vary.

>>108028876
>dr
is that some shit bin reject bin shenaningas going on there

>>108028923
you got it

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would you consider this bad enought to justify buying a new monitor?

it's a few years old and these.. let's say pixel errors appeared recently. at first it was just the stripe on the right, now the two (look like one thick one) on the left showed up.
I know it's probably just a matter of time, but otherwise the monitor works fine

>>108029088
Yes, those lines will grow. Replace the monitor.

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this is the one, right?

>>108027305
Get a job nicobabby

>>108028876
Cool, thanks for confirming. Although
>dual rank
oh god, in the wake of the RAM crisis I completely forgot I needed to worry about this shit. I vaguely recall that A-die vs. M-die vs. whatever was mainly a concern for overclocking, as you >>108028927 and >>108028923 had alluded here, but the last time I built a PC I do remember it being very important to get dual rank DIMMs over single-rank. Is that still a thing where DR > SR, or has it flipped the other way around?
Sorry, also, at some point I read that the memory controller on AM4 boards work less efficiently if you socket a DIMM into every slot; probably not an issue with RAM being as expensive as it is now, but does that still matter and should I therefore try to buy (if not these KLEVVs, but more generally) the best kit of x2 sticks one can find?

>>108029114
that's a good deal

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I currently have a NUC which I like (see pic) but is probably due for replacement. I dont do any heavy gaming but I do like to fiddle with VMs and containers. I should probably upgrade to a proper desktop processor but I like the compactness of the NUC. Any suggestions?

>>108029121
in terms of performance, ddr5 SR = ddr4 DR so ranks are no longer a big deal in boosting performance. on the contrary, if you run with ddr5 DR, you might have problems in future with zen6/7 since DR sticks don't clock above 6800-7200 due to the signal integrity issues with those while SR A-die sticks can do upwards of 8200-9000mt/s.

Any idea what the fuck is causing my Nvidia drivers to crash on OpenGL?
I can't google this shit because everyone is just talking about fucking Minecraft.

>>108029140
You should look into barebone PCs. Basically a case/mobo/PSU combo in which you need to add a desktop CPU, RAM and storage. Alternatively, some ITX cases made integrated graphics in mind get pretty small.
Not really a good time to buy though, with RAM and SSD prices being what they are right now.

why are nvidia drivers so shit? using all of your cpu just so you can use their gpus.
https://youtu.be/pbdPNxe7O_I?t=568

>>108029144
OK that definitely helps, thank you again.
For an extra 50-100 bucks there are some alternatives with a similar FW latency but no one publishes the ranking structure of their DIMMs so I have no idea if any might be SR/better; failing that then, I'll probably go ahead with the KLEVVs- hopefully in a few years RAM will be affordable again and can replace them if I go ahead with an incremental upgrade.

>>108029488
>AMD Unboxed.
Let me guess, they locked the 5080 to its idle clock and didn't install any drivers because "That's not what people do when they buy a GPU"?

>>108029499
fwiw 16gb DR hynix sticks are very rare and its safe to assume that most 2x16gb 6000cl28 hynix kits are SR

>>108029503
https://youtu.be/pbdPNxe7O_I?t=70

>>108029114
Wtf, I should have bought this instead of a GPU

My 5070 hasn't even arrived yet and I'm already having diarrhea in the morning over not buying a 3090 instead when I had the chance. Because I'm still going to be a FUCKING VRAMLET stuck with 2016 levels of VRAM because I didn't want to settle for 16Gb with the performance of a 5060 Ti or spend 2x the amount of money for a 5070 Ti or keep looking to try and find a 3090 for $750 or more.

I could have had so much fun unlocked generating all sorts of stuff and training my own stuff in Stable Diffusion or to do more bullshit with simulations in Houdini.

>>108029519
Damn, I was right.
What a surprise.

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>>108029544

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>>108029507
Forgot to attach my image, but anyway no worries then; I'll keep my fingers crossed of course, although it sounds like any potential performance penalty is worth the price delta.

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>>108028032
>>108028053
>>108028057
WE WERE ROBBED OF THE SUPERIOR FORM FACTOR
https://www.evercase.co.uk/BTXBoardSpecs.htm

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>acer now makes gpus for /lgbt/

Did gpu prices go up since launch? I bought an overpriced 9070xt last year and I looked at 5070tis yesterday and they were all 1300.

>>108029593
Yes, bigly.

>>108028428
When I swapped to amd I noticed red auto color everywhere. Turns out it was all windows, including some bullshit youtube ambient color feature that just kicked in that week.

>>108029593
yeah, nvidia's killing off cheap high vram models like the 5060ti 16gb and 5070ti 16gb to focus on pricier low vram models like the 5060ti 8gb while making 16gb only attainableif you drop $1.3k+ on a 5080

>>108029603
>swapped to amd
>red auto color everywhere
can't make this shit up.

>>108029615
Yes by total coincidence the youtube videos I was watching were heavily red and it was tinting the browser.

How badly are RTX 5070's expected to depreciate relative to the 5060 Ti and 5070 Ti in the coming months? As bad as the 8GB GPUs of Ampere?

Because even 4070's can be had for cheaper prices than 5070's still if you know where to look and that's not a good sign.

>>108029698
Why does it matter?

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>16GB RAM
>1tb SSD
>snapdragon 8 gen2
>for 430 bucks

This seems like the ultra-budget pc annihilator.

>>108029866
handhelds are truly peak manchild

>>108029874
Good. That's what all of PC stuff should be. Look outside, that's what happens when tech gets normalized.

>>108029874
You can plug it into a dock and use it as a PC.

>>108027305
>*5070 ti and 5060 ti 16gb production is paused. Don't buy at current insane prices.
I was wondering why the fuck there was a price difference of only 50-100 dollars between the 5060 Ti 16GB and 5070. Which should I buy?

>>108029901
Buy an RX9070.

20% more performance than the 5070, 16GB of ram. Better drivers (especially if you have a multimonitor setup - none of the clunky waking up and alt tab misery with AMD).

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next component to double in price

>>108029923
I hope it's keyboards for some funny reason.

>>108029901
5070ti is the sweet spot, but I'd probably still pick up a 5070 over a 5060ti.

>>108029911
That's dumber than telling him to buy a 5090.

>>108029911
AMD doesn't let me use Optix or generate stuff in SDXL though, that's my problem.

>>108029995
You could try developing actual talent instead.

>>108030004
Or he could use his talent on hardware that supports him.

>>108030004
You don't use AMD GPUs for that.

I am fucking sick of buying logitech mice that double click. What brand makes good wireless mice that come up with good optical switches on all its buttons?

>>108029783
>Why does it matter?
You need to sell your GPUs the instant the bubble pops and NVIDIA GPUs become depreciating assets once more. 12GB GPUs are seeming like a very bad buy for people given that 12GB of VRAM is already obsolete much like 8GB and the used market hasn't really been affected by price increases following the news concerning 16GB GPUs or 24GB GPUs.

>>108030024
What do you use them for? Shit posting /pcbg/? Getting hugely ass mad?

>>108030037
Nta but I use them for video games, casual AI images, and running stuff like blender.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the lack of fs4 support it would be about on par with nvidia.

>>108029911
Now compare with DLSS in PT games.

>>108030061
I disagree with "on par with NIVIDIA," but yea they really should have gave a fuck about FSR4. They also should have made an actual high end GPU. I don't think AMD want to actually compete. Which is a shame for everybody.

Warning to any newfags to not use this thread for advice. The nvidiots here will shill you to buy a slower gpu without enough vram for high resolutions just because it has a green sticker. They are insane. 5070 is a dogshit gpu and anyone that recommends it has 0 credibility

>>108030086
How many PT games are there, even? The only one I can even recall is cyberpunk and a 9070xt can run that at 4k60fps. It's also kinda shit and overrated without HDR.

>>108030122
Now match image quality and see which one is faster

>>108030122
AMD cards are dogshit. Never buy an AMD card. AMD will never, EVER catch up to Nvidia's software or upscaling no matter how much poo in the loos say they will. Games are never going to be optimized ever again, you're going to be forced to use upscaling and framegen for at least the next decade. If you buy new games, don't buy AMD. If you play old games, don't buy AMD. They're hit or miss in DX9 games and you're forced to use DXVK and go through that hassle of configuring it so you don't have shader cacheing stutters
t. retard who bought a 7900xtx for MUH RASTERIZATION AND PRICE TO PERFORMANCE

>>108030194
No one pixel peeps like that, the average consumer would say Nvidia.

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I got the steam hardware survey today, thats one more RTX 50 series card on there

I can't believe people are actually spending $600 on a fucking 12GB GPU in 2026 now, for 1080p no less.

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so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>108030212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XWM6WPTPBc

Cope, 720 upscaled to 4k is the future

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>>108030086
9070 XT is faster in PT than 5070 ti

>>108030219
5070 should have been a 24GB GPU minimum, 12GB isn't enough for what should be a 1440p/2160p card and it can't make use of the AI bullshit it has AT ALL because it has no fucking VRAM. It doesn't matter if it's prompting anime boobie pictures or videos or using DLSS ray reconstruction and upscaling, it's not enough VRAM to make use of those features. And we cannot count on soldering memory to fix it considering the process is risky and not easily accessible on top of voiding your warranty along with 4GB GDDR7 not existing to make such an upgrade meaningful.

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>>108030216

>>108030232
That's hardware RT not pathtracing anon and you know it https://www.techpowerup.com/331590/assassins-creed-shadows-pc-raytracing-modes-explained

>>108030259
Hardware raytracing is why all our new gpus are stuffed to the hilt with parts to make hardware raytracing fast.

>>108030253
upscaling from 720p or lower reduce the vram usage anon, there is no need for more than 12gb of vram if you use DLSS

>>108030266
Pathtracing uses a completely different algorithm anon, PTGI is not featured on it,

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4GB GDDR7 modules are literally the only hope for something like a 5070 and it will come too late to matter, if at all.

>>108030267
Sure, let me game on my CRT to get acceptable picture quality and performance with RT until it blows up.

This argument falls apart for proper ray tracing workloads like 3D rendering, but fuck me for expecting that from Gayming GPUs right?

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>hope
the 5070 is literally the most sold card of this generation and will probably be on the top 10 most popular card on the steam hardware when this month survey releases

>>108030298
if the 5070 had more vram it would get scalped to hell and back as workload bros would fight for it, if you want something for professional workloads you could still get a 5060 ti 16gb or a 5070 ti, getting mad about the 5070 not having more vram is regarded when the real issue is not having a $1500 5080 TI with 24gb

>>108030286
>https://youtu.be/IpNBmPwFh1I?t=2087
This is the only video i could find and most of the gains seem to be from frame gen. Which isn't too cool, really.

>>108030344
Because 3/4 of those games are RT and Lumen which is fake pathtracing boosting the AMD garbage performance, for PTGI you have to look exclusive for games that feature it which are CyberPunk, Indiana Jones, Doom the Dark Ages, Alan Wake 2, Black Myth Wukong and F1 25, the issue is not so much now but next year as more game start featuring path tracing for example Capcom is now fully sponsored by Nvidia and both Resident Evil Requiem, Pragmata feature day one pathtracing and any future monster hunter game will featuiure it either, then you have that for example RDNA4 cards get inflated by unreal engine games using Lumen and claiming its RT when in reallity is fake RT

>>108030303
The 4060 was second place, that doesn't mean it isn't shit.

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>>108030371
cope and seethe

I would rather own a used 3090 than a 5070.

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yeah but we know you have a 9070 XT so your opinion gets discarded

>jack off
>take shower
>suddenly don't feel so bad about the lack of VRAM on my GPU for prompting
>get back to drawing and 3d modeling instead
What is this effect called?

>>108030366
Damn, it's lucky all modern AAA games are trash that can't even run on a 5080 anyway.

I wish some madman would ressurrect Voodoo graphics with the 3dfx glide api and all.

>>108030408
>next cope post arrived
They all run fine when you use preset L and upscale from 720p to 4k even on a 5070

>>108030389
the 9070xt is a really good card. A lot of games are uneal now which anon says is apparently really playing into the strengths of the card. And both can run 60fps path tracing anyway so it's hardly a huge deal.

>>108030379
Why not both?

>>108030417
AMD&Unreal Dark times are upon us.

>>108030417
>And both can run 60fps path tracing anyway
The 9070 XT cant, especailly because AMD denoiser its practically non existant outside of COD, it cant even run FSR4 on Vulkan games like indiana or Doom either.
>the 9070xt is a really good card
It's actually garbage that will age badly

You can get a 9070 xt for under 700 bucks easily right now, while a 5070 ti is above 1000. If you don't go for the 9070 and do not specifically need nvidias chipset and features for some professional application you are retarded.

If you pay over $700 for a card when the CFO of AMD tells you to your face that is garbage that will age badly and not be supported in the future then you have mental issues desu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lNW6U1KRjc

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/puget-systems-most-reliable-hardware-of-2025/

On the consumer side, NVIDIA’s own Founders Edition models were the most reliable GeForce RTX cards we sold in 2025, with just a 0.25% failure rate.

HE BUYED BOUGHTED AYYMDEAD DEFECTIVE BY DESIGN CPUS & GPUS

>>108030426
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MjSxysft0
Here is hardware unboxed mostly saying 4.5 and fs4 are trading close to each other.

On March PSSR 2.0 will debut alongside AMD only sponsored title (Crimson Desert) it better feature either the full redstone stack (ray regeneration)

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>A19 in the base iPhone 17: 5050
>265K: 4927
>14900KS: 4821
>9950X: 4729
>9600X: 4569
>M4 10-core in the $400-500 M4 Mac Mini: 4516
>7600X: 4130
>A16 in the $300 base iPad: 4031
>12400: 3462
>5600X: 3365

SOURCE: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/single-thread/

>>108030379
Until you hit 450W and your DRMOS explodes that is.

https://overclock3d.net/news/memory/micron-reveals-the-future-of-gddr7-memory/
we were robbed

>>108030464
It won't, PS5 Pro is still POODNA1 shader units, despite both SNOY and AYYMDEAD lying saying it's POODNA2, it doesn't support mesh shaders, sampler feedback and vrs tier 2

>>108030463
Actually he said that DLSS 4.5 is much better, and FSR4 is garbage, the issue comes from FSR4 being a CNN (UNET) model so the good things that Tim mentions are things that inhenretnly CNN models like dlss 3.8 had and regressed when moving to the first transformer model and now further refined with the 2nd transformer model.

https://woti.substack.com/p/understanding-fsr-4

On a blind test with over 400 aymd users on computerbase, over 90% of them choose DLSS 4.5 performance over both native and FSR 4 quality and lose their shit when they found out they were voting for nvidia https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/dlss-4-5-fsr-ai-vs-nativ-im-test-die-bildqualitaet-im-direkten-side-by-side-video-vergleich.2264572/

Overall only a complete retard would think the 9070XT is a good card

>>108030494
I don't care for your random ass sources.

>>108030503
Anon that is the leaked source code, not random ass sources you can see it for yourself when you open it, they are that behind, which is why no one is buying them (hopefully today one of it makes it for the first time to the steam hardware survey)

>>108030432
Here in Europe 9070xt costs 950 $ and cheapest 5070ti 1100$

>>108030520
Yeah prices are bonkers. Waitfags really lost this one but i think there was like a month where the 5070ti was down to about 900. Although I doubt buying it was that easy.

>>108030465
>m5 chip in the current ipad pro: 5754
this will be in a $500 mac mini soon lol

Pure Rock Pro 3 at 53 USD, Phantom Spirit 120 at 70 USD, or AK620 at 70 USD? I need an air cooler that can handle a 5900XT and I'm not sure if these price premiums are worth it or not value-wise.

I care about noise profile but I also don't want to unnecessarily sacrifice performance. This feels like a tradeoff between having the brand fans (since they're expensive) versus a better heatsink.

it feels like people that use only amd have a humiliation fetish

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>>108030520

>>108030575
It was available at the time. How can I regret it? I just like to post here but most of the games i play don't even support ray tracing.

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>>108029561
honestly i just want a china board.

I wish valve would release a steam deck 2 based on pantherlake this year and get their engineers to massively boost intel's open sores driver stack

>>108030740
valve time. i am just waiting for their vr headset and controller.

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kind of complete, where do you guys get some good quality white cables?

Fuck this, I'm parting ways with my 100 dollars and ordering a Pure Base 600 and hopefully that can be my forever case I will actually feel happy keeping.

I should have just bought one of those in 2019 instead of torturing myself trying to cram all my shit into $50 Polish case designs.

>>108030914
corsair sells oem white cable kits if you have a corsair psu
i'm personally getting a seasonic gx focus white atx3.1 1000w next week since it comes with white cables from the factory

>>108030914
Cablemods is where I got mine, pricey though.

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>>108029561
diagonal cpu is hella aesthetic

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>>108030366
>when in reallity is fake RT
>>108030426
>especailly
>indiana
>>108030494
>over 90% of them choose DLSS 4.5 performance over both native and FSR 4 quality and lose their shit
>lose not lost
Good morning sarr you have very nice England!
You can't even fucking spell properly ranjesh and you're calling people retarded for buying a gpu you don't like. Thanks for proving yet again that all the njudea shills in these threads are jeets getting paid one rupee per post.

Do I need 64gb ddr5?

>>108030465
all this performance and nothing to use it for.

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>Spent $800 on a 9800x3d bundle at Microcenter a couple weeks ago.
>They're now selling the same bundle for $730.
When I wait I get fucked and when I buy I get fucked. I'll never win.

>>108031024
> no one wants NVIDIA
Laughs is 95 percent market shares.

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>>108031024
>He boughted AMD

>>108031097
Next year it will be $1200, so you still won.

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>look at pre built deal
>9070 XT
>literally unbuyable now have to substitute for a 5070 Ti that is more just because Pulsar is dropping soon
imagine being able to run pulsar through a laptop cause nv gpu but not on a dGPU
can't get this cucked, just can't

>>108031146
It's a wall to keep the poors out.

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>RAM/SSD/GPU/HDD prices have become unaffordable because of this thing

>2019
>2020
>2021
>2022
>2023
>2024
>2025
>2026
dogshit timeline

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>tfw bought a 5070 instead of a 3090
>tfw won't be able to come back home after a grueling day and relax in the evening prompting all the custom-tailored anime of my dreams to soothe my mind and soul in full quality
I-I fucked up so bad...

pcbg should just be renamed to buyers remorse and eternal seething general

>5070
>fp8 and fp4 models
>3090
>forced to use fp 16
yep its the 9070 xt copers

>>108031380
true, I wish I just kept my PS5. Overspent 3k and dont see a difference to be honest

>>108031537
oh you gtfo. this is still a pcbg. console peasants are not welcome.

>>108031146
>pulsar
I just heard about this from your post right now and googled it.

so LCD display clarity is a solved problem, then? seems really awesome. now you can run stuff at 60fps but it will look like 240, and 240 will look like 960?

so if you used LSFG to go from 60 to 120, on this monitor your 60fps will look like 480? lol that's nuts.

>>108031537
Same, but for me it was the iMac G3. I should have never sold it. My 5090 just doesn't feel the same.

https://www.microcenter.com/product/702408/powerspec-g760-gaming-pc
How's this one ? I just want one for gayming and AI

>>108031387
>fp8 and fp4 models
Lol, lmao even. You won't make up 12GB of missing VRAM with that.

I just want am4 prices to come back down

>>108031717
>run shit
>use fp16
>it takes 4 hours at 300w+ on a 3090
>use nvfp4
>same amount of gens take less than 1 hour on a 5070 at 200w
yep is a 9070xt coper

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>in response to the market situation, manufacturers are discontinuing the 16gb models everyone wants and focusing only on producing the 8gb models nobody wants

>>108031804
Just buy a 5090 and get over it.

>>108031380
10 years of unresolved trauma will do that to someone, they will have remorse and regret whether they buy or do not buy.

>>108031781
I'm not a 9070 XT owner, I'm simply saying that the 5070 isn't going to match the 3090 when it comes to VRAM utilization. And you sure as shit won't make up the VRAM difference in Stable Diffusion, here FP4 and FP8 has no usecase.

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>ASRock motherboards are now killing Ryzen 5 9600X CPUs, four cases in two weeks
The fact that AMD is trying to sweep this issue under the rug is pathetic.
Share the findings of the internal investigation, like Intel had to.
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-motherboards-are-now-killing-ryzen-5-9600x-cpus-four-cases-in-two-weeks

>RAM prices actually coming down
>32GB 6000CL36 kit for $309 on newegg right now
WaitGODS, I'm thinking we won. Not long now and everything will be back to normal.

>>108031947
FP4 and FP8 have massive use case on stable diffusion, not only you can fit larger models, ( a 32GB quant that cant run on fp16 on the 3090 runs on nvfp4) But you also the speed is much faster, any SOTA model like z-image or LTX-2, Wan 2.2 nunchaku have fp8 and nvfp4 quants, but its pretty obvious you are just the anon baiting and coping about his 9070 xt

>>108032055
You are wrong. I'm baiting and coping about the fact I got a 5070 instead of a 3090.

>>108031947
https://www.reddit.com/r/comfyui/comments/1q7u6ra/zimage_turbo_bf16_nvfp4_nunchaku_basic_comparison/

wrong

>>108032063
ok then explain this >>108032068

>>108031937
I bought a 3070ti. No one needs to tell me about remorse. That still didn't make me an unbelievable dick.

>>108032068
Better sell the 5070 and buy a 5060 Ti instead then.

>>108030566
They're all going to run loud if you're air cooling a 16-core CPU running near full load.
Even the D15 G2's fans will have to run louder.

be Quiet Silent Loop 3 has one of the quieter AIO fans, but you need to install the pump housing properly to prevent the plastic tab from breaking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKdMBspKxA4

how's the KTC M27P6? I heard the blooming is pretty shit and the QC even shittier. Don't want to get an oled because I WFH

>>108032118
You can do what you want, just stop spreading misinformation so a random anon will buy a 5 year old used card without warranty that has been on a crypto/gen farm running at 99% usage across its lifespan for 0 reason, the 3090 does have a usage case for specific AI that does not go well with lower precision data like LLM's chatbots/agentic AI and training in general as you benefit more from the bigger precision and lower precision data (fp8, nvfp4) is less useful but not for local image/video generation, basically im dunking on you because you are being retarded

>>108032121
Interestingly enough the price of the Thermalright and Deepcool offerings was approaching the price of a 240mm AIO from a name brand, the cooler master masterliquid 240 core ii. Damn shame I forgot about the $30 Rebate Code I had or I'd have used that on a Liquid Freezer III 360 right away.

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Any anon with minileds can confirm if the burn-in is not an issue on them? i use my display for 16 hour every day so i cant really get an oled

>>108027305
Do the lights in the case make the computer go faster?

>>108032287
Liquid Freezer 3 and many other AIO pumps emit a high-pitched noise.
The impeller is relatively tiny, and the pump motor runs well above 2000 RPM (Arctic recommends setting the pump speed to at least 40%).
I set my LF3's radiator fans to run at a high enough RPM to drown out the pump noise.

>>108032314
I have a neo g7. I've got no burn in and never really noticed the bloom issue. Mostly because i almost never turn the miniled stuff on because it's fucking blinding. But yeah, eight hours a day of having 4chan(and shit like blender) opened didn't cause any burn in.

>>108031587
nvidia needs to drop a patch that will allow 48fps strobing which means you can double strobe down to 24fps you can watch cinematic slop down to that fps
right now minimum is 75fps or something
flicker might be visible below 75fps so depends how bad that is idk
but yeah better blur reduction than anything else especially with vrr enabled and maintaining brightness and everything so we will see

>>108032358
>pump noise
This is what has turned me off from just going out an buying the best AIO within my preferred cost target, especially at low RPM and idle usage. That along with pump failures.

>>108032161
>just stop spreading misinformation so a random anon will buy a 5 year old used card without warranty that has been on a crypto/gen farm running at 99% usage across its lifespan
That's why we had one man alone dunking on the 3090 for 2 threads a few days ago.

>>108032395
You could buy the Pure Rock Pro 3, undervolt the 5900XT (maybe downclock by -100MHz), and set stricter power limits.
You can retain 90~95% of the CPU's stock performance if you're lucky.
Stability testing might take 1~2 weeks.
The last 100~200MHz boost isn't usually worth the required voltage & total power draw for most CPUs.

Why are black CPU coolers more pricey than bare metal? I don't think that gives any real performance benefit now does it?

>>108032506
Because people are willing to pay a higher price for them, like white Strix or Astral video cards.

>>108032584
Isn't white the default or cheaper way of making plastic rather than black?

>>108032591
No, plastic pellets aren't pure white; they're a bit clear grayish.
You need additional stabilizers to prevent white plastic from turning yellow & becoming brittle in the sun.
The change in the plastic fan's molecular structure made Noctua's prototype white fans structurally weaker (blades eventually stretch & warp).

>>108032591
black is the default. others are "premium". it's the same with consoles a platinum ps2 or fancy colored n64 costs more than the black versions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV_96Oe3g3s
insane the only people I can see giving decent side by side comparisons and user reviews on this shit are tatted up blacks that don't know shit about specs or performance but they will actually show you the shit as its being used SIDE BY SIDE SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF

>>108032757
I have a 4k WOLED TV and 1440p QD monitor side by side and I prefer the QD colors for SDR and WOLED for HDR.

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>>108031935
The entire industry is making a profound tactical error expecting the winds to blow one way, and once shit settles down they're going to be left with a surplus of freshly manufactured, borderline unsellable e-waste.

>neo-nu-op
>am5 is shit, do youre research
>on lga1700, just updoot microcode goy
this nigger can vote btw

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Why the fuck is storage so expensive all of a sudden

>>108032917
They aren't buying 5090s and consumer RAM. Even if the bubble burst tomorrow you are going to be a year away from cheap components minimal. That extra money I spent on a non founders 5090 is a wash when divided by months of enjoyment. That and I am set regardless of the future. Buying PC parts is like storing food for the winter. Stock or starve.

>>108032983
do exactly what it says in the picture you posted right now

>>108032983
can't train ai without datasets

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>>108032983
Because this exists.

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>>108032983
Local AI relies heavily on virtual ram check what page file size, last year there were a couple of important breakthroughs on using virtual and regular ram to hold the models as cache, this basically means that while you now can run either large models or simply train/inference faster you are killing your limited writting life on your storage

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>>108032994
>>108032995
>>108033001
I thought it was only Ram... What a grim realization to wake up to.

At least HDDs will still be somewhat cheap, right...?

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>>108032983
Because a bunch of STD-riddled child rapists who dance around bonfires with feather dusters up their asses decided that only by destroying the global economy and inflicting untold suffering on everyone else who by their labor and actions gives them power in the first place can they attain personal validation and metaphysical godhood.

>>108033011
>At least HDDs will still be somewhat cheap, right...?
Heh

>>108033011
No those are still useful

>>108032917
The industry knows the current situation can't last. It's why they aren't increasing production.

>>108033003
A 7600X3D on AM4 would be a killer product on 2026 which means we are not getting one

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>doing research on the PS120 versus the PRP3
>end up learning that every tower cooler heatsink for CPUs is tailored to the fans they are going to use
>implying that if i bought the same Pure Wings 3 fans as on the Pure Rock Pro 3 and stuck them onto the Phantom Spirit 120 that they would perform worse and be noisier
Fuck. They're really making the choice between these two coolers a hard one for me.

>>108032986
>>They aren't buying 5090s and consumer RAM
they are
any startup that has a .ai site is buying shittons of them with gifted vc money

>ddr5 becomes expensive because (((reasons)))
>this also makes ddr4 become more expensive
>of course as a result this also makes ddr3 more expensive
how long until ddr2 gets hit by (((reasons))) too

>>108033024
Some are increasing production, though. Of 8GB graphics cards. 16GB models are being discontinued.

>>108033077
DDR2 is too far out of the loop to matter
not that your conspiritard brain can comprehend that

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>>108033003
great example why intel is a meme. 1% lows dropping below 30. both amds do better.

>>108033095
>conspiritard
youre on the files

>>108033053
The sound curve with Noctua and Arctic are better than stock though?

>>108033111
>on
not sending their best are they

>>108033071
Maybe a portion, but it's still nothing compared to the diverted resources huge data centers are buying.

>Stuck with an i5 9600K + 3090 Ti + 32GB DDR4 until this shitshow is over (it will never be over until someone kills Dario and Altman)
How fucked am I

>>108033128
You're fine.

>>108033128
XX90
nigga stop crying

>>108033128
>3090 Ti
I'm kind of jealous right now and I'm saying that as someone who has 96GB of DDR4 in his system. I think you'll be fine though for most cases.

>>108033128
you have the last good green gpu
you just need to get moden cpu and call it a day

>>108033139
>>108033134
>>108033147
But the CPU is bottlenecking the shit out of it and there's no point in upgrading it because the only one I can get is a 9900K and it'll be the same trash but with more power consumption and I can't get a new motherboard/cpu combo either because of the Ram bullshit.....

Huge shipment will be hitting warehouses this coming week.

>>108033161
>I can't get a new motherboard/cpu combo either because of the Ram bullshit.....
LGA 1700 has DDR4 compatible boards bro, if you wanna upgrade before they go up or something (if they haven't, I haven't checked in a while) you can do so now.

>>108033162
A shipment of what and to where?