I drive 120 miles a day for my job, every EV-centric youtuber that makes their EV their whole personality regularly pushes videos complaining about their EV being in the shop or the fast charging module frying itself and being stuck at lv 2 charging speeds, if you're not a homeowner, you don't have access to fast charging at home and that makes it a non-starter for almost anyone under 55 years old.

For daily commuter cars they're great assuming you can easily get a charger hooked up at home.
They fucking suck for road trips

oooooooooooor I can keep driving my old v8 bmw

>EV range cuts in half if you turn on the AC
>EV range cuts in half if the ambient temperature is below 10C
>EV lifespan cuts in half if you fast charge it every time

I already hate electronic gadgets with rechargable batteries, why would I buy a fuckhuge transport appliance that's as good as junk as soon as the battery is fried?

>>108037292
>0 drawbacks
They're more expensive
>inb4 it's cheaper than [luxury shitbox]
>inb4 it's worth it for the gizmos you get
Don't care. Cheapest cars are gas or diesel. Talk to me when cheapest cars are electric.

I like to bully tesla drivers on the road by not letting them merge and not accelerating when they ride my ass on the highway, purposefully stopping at yellow lights, not turning right on red, etc etc.

EV drivers aren't real people.

To whoever funded this push:

Kek this is the result of your best efforts?
Eat rotten dicks.

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EVs are based
>hurrrrrr but i can't drive my usual 300 miles a day with them
then they're not for you, just don't buy one? why does it hurt you so much what someone else is driving or doing with their life? you afraid your kid is going to come up to you one day and tell you he drives electric?

>>108037376
sounds like they're legitimately worse than the thing they're replacing
even leftists dont want EVs because they believe car ownership should be abolished in favor of 15 minute prison cities

>>108037326
based

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>>108037386
do EVs somehow bother you, and if so why?

I personally have never driven an electric car nor owned one but I don't feel bad about them becoming a thing for people who find them more useful/convenient/just somehow "better" than gas or diesel.

>>108037292
don't your tires wear faster, and isn't there a big cost when your batteries go to shit after a while?

>>108037292
>hyundai
>EV
This is like getting raped then having a hot poker shoved up your dick hole because the dick in your asshole wasn't already humiliating and painful enough.

Imagine buying a gook car lmao. I worked on a Sonata last year and I'll never ever do it again. The owner told me he's already on his second engine because the first one blew up at under 20k miles and the gooks were forced to buy everyone a new one. The shop that did the new engine job didn't even bother putting the plastic back on correctly. As I discovered when I had to replace the entire front end and both headlights because the piece of shit exploded the moment the guy driving it hit a deer running 10mph.

Meanwhile, my 1974 Chevy C10 has murdered at least 15 deer while running over 50mph without even leaving a dent. My nipponese Nissian Maxima murdered a deer once at 60mph. It caused a pretty good dent and bent some metal where the hood latches. But a tree and a cum-a-long was all it took to get it back on the road. Over 500k miles and still running strong.

>>108037435
>isn't there a big cost when your batteries go to shit after a while?
Replacement battery pack is 10k at least and must be bought every decade if you're lucky. 10 years in even if your battery still works it'll only take half charge and will randomly discharge to 0%. Just like a cell phone battery does.

The best part is so far all EV companies have stopped offering battery pack replacements for existing models well before the decade ends. So even if you wanted to buy one from the OEM you couldn't.

Meanwhile, 1970s era Chevy/Ford V8 requires simple rebuild and you can get a brand new crate motor from multiple vendors. Don't need OEM support because so many third parties build engines. Or you can pull one out of random car at a junk yard.

>>108037292
Someone give me a QRD on the video. Is he not happy that renewables are already getting billions of tax payer subsidies? Does he want to make everyone adopt the technology at gunpoint?

>>108037446
I hear so many stories of kia/hyundais blowing engines 5+ times during the powertrain warranty, how do their customers not realize they can lemon law it and get a full fucking refund after it's been in the shop 5 times?

>>108037464
It's not really a "We should do x" or "You should do x" sort of video. It basically says "Renewable energy is the future, here's why". It's mainly focused on the fact that solar is now cheap.

That's the first hour of the video. The second part is pretty much entirely disconnected from the first part and basically says "current administration sucks, go vote democrat"

>>108037465
>>108037446
If no engine, no engine blowup

>>108037334
Why are you making shit up?

>>108037496
Renewable energy is not the (near) future though. Not until dyson spheres are invented. Batteries cannot compare in energy density to gasoline. There's a very good reason the global economy is based around oil, and that's due to simple chemistry/physics. Oil is amazing and should be used while it's still plentiful.

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>>108037507
california law says 30 cumulative days in the shop for warranty work is grounds for a forced buyback

>>108037376
>hurrrrrr but i can't drive my usual 300 miles a day with them
You probably can by now with all these advancements

>>108037465
Their customers are retards. The one I know likes his Sonata because he thinks it looks good. They're like niggers and modern Altamas don't try to think about it. They're retarded and the vast majority of these people want a brand new car to look like they have money but they can't afford to finance anything better.

I've worked on a wide variety of cars over the years including IMSA GT race cars, sprint cars and stock cars. I got brainwashed young to not like "rice burners" but I came around to Japanese cars in the late 90s because the build quality is great (well was) and they were pulling so much HP out of such a small power plant (Nips were not allowed to build V8s if they wanted to sell them in my country).

I can say the gook cars had the worse build quality and the worse design by far. I've worked on Russian cars so that's saying a lot. Modern American and Japanese cars are pretty shit to but for different reasons. They don't have obvious design flaws like the gook cars I've worked on. They're also much easier to work on because they are designed by a pure retard. Even the hard stuff like replacing heater coil isn't that bad. Fords have given me a lot of pain over the years (look up fixing blend duct actuator on a Crown Vic) but never anything like that hyundai. Where the entire front end is held together with bubble gum. They're designed to be hauled to the junk yard the moment you've finished your last payment.

If you want to buy something to last and easy-ish to work on don't get anything made after about 2008 would be my advice. Buy Japanese or American. Best build quality, best after market support and usually any design flaws are well known and easy to fix before they become a major problem.

If you don't want to wrench yourself you should still take this advice because when you're standing on the side of the road and someone stops you want to own something they can fix.

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>>108037464
He's mad that orange man is reducing subsidies for renewables and claims that what he did was unconstitutional and illegal.

>>108037292
>I dont get all the EV hate.
Most of it is because past experience has shown that "this thing is better" quickly leads to "the other thing must be illegal". Look at how quickly the "gas stoves must be banned" brigade grew when it became the trendy view to have. The type of people who promote EVs have a lot of overlap with those who would ban ICE vehicles if they could. It's just in their nature to want to control everyone else. If they would simply adopt the "better thing" for themselves, there would be far less push back. Instead they lead with "other thing must be banned" when trying to promote the new thing.

I just fucking walk. I don't live in 3rd world distopia like america

>>108037536
Seems to be quite a bit of projection in his rant.

>>108037461
>In 10 years
You are literally a schizo
In 10 years we'll have crazy battery tech
Solid State batteries are around the corner

>>108037536
Does he not realize the market exist? If green tech was superior, people would naturally be choosing it over fossil fuels.

>>108037507
Right. Just 1,000 other things that can go wrong. What do you think is driving the wheels on an EV? Hint: it's a electric motor.

Now instead of one power plant to fix you get 2-4 that are impossible to rebuild on the side of the road.

Enjoy your scam.

>>108037553
>better batteries are coming!
Same lie I've heard all my life. Yet all batteries are still shit lol.
>you schizo
You won't be calling me that when I'm nice enough to stop because your piece of shit stranded you on the road somewhere and it's pissing down rain. Too bad for you though. The moment I see you're driving an EV I'm going to laugh at you then drive away. If you weren't a total retard that makes bad decisions I would have fixed your problem and gotten you home. Even if I had to tow you myself.

Did you know you can't even tow an EV without damaging it? LMAO. Gotta come with a roll back.

There should be a law that says if you can't drive stick shift and can't fix your own car that you shouldn't be allowed on the public roads.

Watching EV owners try to coordinate a road trip with their EV will never not be funny, they literally spend more time waiting for a charge than on the road and they'll gaslight themselves into "enjoying the journey" and killing time trying to entertain themselves in the bumfuck nowhere town they're in while they charge their car.

>>108037558
Motors are much simpler than engines. That is not not problem with electric cars. The real issue is that batteries are simply not scalable. Gas engines are objectively superior for anything larger than a lawnmower.

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>0 drawbacks if you can charge at home and work and dont need to use your car

>>108037556
>the market exist
And gets manipulated out the ass.

>>108037577
>Motors are much simpler than engines. That is not not problem with electric cars.
It is a problem. If one of your electric motors craps out you can't limp home on the other one. Meanwhile, the average nip or American gasoline engine will run well enough even if half the cylinders aren't getting fire to limp home.

>>108037603
Yes, in favor of renewables. The fact that adoption is low despite billions in subsidies should tell you something.

>>108037613
>in favor of renewables
Brother we invaded a country for its oil literally a month ago. Big oil made a lot of money out of that already and will continue to do so.

>EV subsidies dry up
>EV sales drop 60-74% immediately afterwards

the free market has spoken

Literally the only thing keeping EV proliferation from exploding is the US's 100% tariffs on chinese EVs.

>>108037621
I'm going to be honest with you. I don't really care and I like the smell of gasoline. Leaded gasoline smells really good.

I dislike the fact that we're up to the 7th thread for this obvious shill video. Don't make me start posting keywords and pdf files to get this one deleted. Take the L and fuck off.

>>108037635
do you think the us oil lobby is going to loosen their grip on it's ability to give you gas to huff?

>>108037635
You do you anon. I don't believe in EVs in their current state either but I'll call bs if I see bs.

>>108037621
Yes, and? Oil doesn't get nearly as many subsides as renewables. The biofuel shit is stupid, but it's just welfare for farmers, not an oil subsidy.

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Ok then.

"Department of Defense Interactive Internet Activities" will always cause bots to stop posting and make them alert a human operator.

Bonus points if you post the .pdf file (let's see if they've already added this one to the spam filters. Have to re-upload it all of the time now).

https://files.catbox.moe/bhpmsy.pdf

>>108037670
it's an interesting document but i'm not even american anon, I could care less

>>108037677
considering the pentagon and DOD are currently under the trump administration, why would they be contacting this "commie" to shill EVs for them? that's what I understand you are attempting to insinuate?

>>108037683
>Oh shit they posted it again
>quick attempt the political D&C
Glow niggers aren't clever at all.

>>108037698
answer the question, why would DOD/pentagon under trump administration make Technology Connections shill EVs and voting democrats no matter what?

>>108037292
Most people are retards, and retards can't think in long term problems, so when they see the sticker price of an EV being a bit more than an ICE they think they're too expensive like >>108037337, not realizing that gas over the course of a car's life will cost an additional $20k+ over electricity.
That and the legitimate complaint that they're being overcomplicated with dogshit, jeet-tier software and unnecessary automated systems that don't work in an attempt to make them seem for futuristic. Though that's also happening, but to a lesser degree, with ICE cars as well.

>>108037662
>Oil doesn't get nearly as many subsides as renewables
Not only has oil received a lot more subsidies throughout the history, it's also caused many second hand subsidies to be handed out i.e. 70s oil crisis and literally every american car company. That's also not counting oil favouring policy decisions like oil quotas.

>>108037717
Right, people are too stupid to make "correct" financial decisions. Let me guess, the solution is to forcefully take and spend their money using the state.

>>108037522
The problem is we're still running out and we don't yet have a plan for when it does run out. Even if we don't turn it into gasoline to burn, do you have any idea how much plastic is used in medical equipment that keeps the baby boomers alive for this long?

>>108037728
What is your argument? That the US should start wars to keep lithium prices low, so make it more "fair"? How does any of this change that fact that even with massive tax-payer incentives, people don't buy electric?

>>108037739
Supply and demand means that as oil grows scarce, it will go up in price. This will make alternatives more affordable in comparison and thus incentivize their development. It's a self-correcting problem. The solution to oil scarcity is to do literally nothing. People will naturally change their spending habits depending on supply and demand. It's how markets work.

>>108037741
they do it for oil, so what the hell why not lithium too?

>>108037754
Okay. So the US declaring more wars is the solution you want? That's what it will take for renewables to replace oil?

Tesla FSD is god tier and the only people who hate it are either road-ragers or woke faggots

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>>108037741
>people don't buy electric
Don't care what people buy, especially when it comes to cars. The video is about energy production and solar is expanding.

>US should start wars to keep lithium prices low
Not a bad idea, but probably not necessary for now. There's still a lot of unrealised potential.

https://manhattan.institute/article/inconvenient-energy-realities

:^)

>>108037773
Renewables cannot replace oil for power generation because they are intermittent. That's a *worse* use case than consumer electrics. It will *always* be a fraction of total output due to simple physics. Only nuclear can do that.

>>108037782
No bro just make 800 billion tons of batteries bro you dont get it bro.
These solar panels that actually only last 12 years and these batteries that consume more oil (and other resources) than they provide in energy over their functional lifetime is going to fix everything.

Also the 5.5 trillion dollars it is going to take for the nationwide grid to support all of this, -and- the oil and oil equivalent resources consumption needed to do it.

You dont get it bro youre stupid for not wanting electric cars you're killing us all.

>>108037706
>implying glow niggers care about which puppet is in office
Like I said glow niggers aren't clever. Fuck you and your shill thread.

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>>108037814
>no answer

>>108037775
>written by a Reaganite boomer for a think tank headed by a jeet

:^)

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>>108037816
I gave you an answer glow nigger. I'm not dumb enough to fall for your false choice of which puppet is in office this year. Fuck you. Fuck your shill thread. Fuck this fat faggot youtuber you've paid off. Fuck your bots.


https://files.catbox.moe/bhpmsy.pdf

Bury it again faggot. Department of Defense Interactive Internet Activities. Proof you shit up this board everyday and pay fat lolcows like the one in the OP to spread horseshit.

>>108037832
Here's the full pdf you'd have easily found to review if you so much as read the first paragraph.
You disingenuous, retarded little commie shitlips nigger.

https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/default/files/R-0319-MM.pdf

>>108037837
That file from 2007 doesn't fucking mean anything, and you don't understand that because you haven't read it but also wouldn't know what you're reading to begin with.

You disingenuous,
Retarded,
Litrle commie,
Shitlips nigger.

>>108037292
Outside of car guys, which I understand their perspective for the most part, it's people yelling at clouds. For most people though, not car nerds, EVs are soon to be just objectively better in every conceivable way when battery tech just gets just that tad better

>>108037893
>EVs are soon to be just objectively better in every conceivable way when battery tech just gets just that tad better
LMAO

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>>108037782
Nuclear is cool :)

>>108037795
Straight up misinfo.
No amount of cope is going to stop people from investing more into solar.

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>>108037899
no, I think Chernobyl did plenty of damage on its own

>>108037893
>when battery tech just gets just that tad better
My diesel E-Class gets 950 miles on a tank, and that is from the manufacturer brochure, I've done 1050 miles on a tank before. When will an ev get over 1000 miles on a single charge? You're effectively driving a car with a 3-5 gallon fuel tank, it's pathetic.

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>>108037911
Whatever you say shitlips.

>>108037924
Those deaths were caused by commie incompetence. Compare that to a recent capitalist nuclear disaster like Fukushima. It took a damn tsunami to cause, and resulted in 0 (zero) deaths. Modern nuclear plants are comically safe.

>>108037911
Is that the same China that has lied about every statistic of theirs from the past 50 years including their own population numbers.

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>>108037928
>that pic
Lmao you're not even a /g/ resident are you? Came here just to shill. That's fine, keep bumping the thread.

>>108037911
>No amount of cope is going to stop people from investing more into solar.
There is indeed something that will stop them: the laws of physics. I know leftists don't believe in objective reality, but it does indeed exist.

>>108037312
>I drive 120 miles a day for my job
that's not even half a day's worth of range
lv2 would fill it back up within hours

>>108037933
Whatever you say shitlips.

>>108037932
>muh china
How do you explain EU and NA numbers rising also? Are they also lying? Besides, there's no point to lying about solar, by design you can literally look at them from satellites.

>>108037576
its like 10 minutes every 2 hours of driving or so

I only drive ~12 miles per day but I have a much bigger problem: I park on the street at home (no garage) and my work doesn't have chargers.
So I guess hybrids for me.

>>108037926
EV's advantage is how much power they can generate. They don't need V12 to get equivalent of 700hp and get 0-60 under 5 seconds.

>>108037934
>leftists
Ah yes, the classic "You shouldn't like this because it's for [the other team]

>>108037943
Does the whole >china has lied about everything for decades part confuse you?

>>108037946
this is assuming every charger is a fast charger (they're not), and even if they're listed as one, it'll work for you car (it won't), and that every charger is always vacant and you're the only EV owner in th United States (you're not).

>>108037954
It's just an observation. One team definitely has more of a problem with natural law and objective truth than the other.

>>108037965
>this is assuming every charger is a fast charger (they're not)
for a tesla they are
and it auto navigates and drives itself to each one and backs into them for you to get out and plug in
its just that easy to road trip across multiple states

>>108037973
why'd you ignore the third point?
you're still going to wait in line

>>108037982
i never waited in line on my 8 hour road trip to florida in either direction
there were plenty of open chargers every at every location

>>108037970
STEM majors also tend to lean left, they just aren't loud because they are busy working unlike the art majors.

>>108037292
if it's a worthy purchae then the free market will reflect that
it's been a century now, and the needle didn't move until it's competitor was announced to be outlawed

>>108038004
the fuck makes you think im a commie
i bought my own car and it its good
you're just a faggot and shat yourself when i told you all of the problems you mentioned were solved already lmao

>>108037934
what about physics stops investing into solar?

>>108038035
well you're wrong on all counts so that's three strikes, mister

>>108037334
>I already hate electronic gadgets with rechargable batteries, why would I buy a fuckhuge transport appliance that's as good as junk as soon as the battery is fried?
Here's a good idea. Watch the first half of the video.

>>108038012
Oh your omission of telling me you think you're going to have a good time is an obvious tell that you know the truth.

It's ceazy that you commie shitlips retard niggers actually believe you're tricking us. The reality is we ignore you until the problem gets big enough.

>>108037326
Gay. Should have gotten a Mercedes instead.

>>108038042
schizo moment?

>>108038038
>hur no askchually i'm one of you
>SIR
It's ma'am thank you very much.
Retard.

>>108037435
>and isn't there a big cost when your batteries go to shit after a while?
As pointed out in the video, the cost of replacing the battery is less than the fuel costs for a petrol vehicle over the same timeframe.
FAR less.

>>108038050
ywnbaw

>>108037312
Just get a tesla lmao.

>>108037292
cucked batteries

>>108038007
>then the free market
There is no free market.

>>108038033
The market cap for it is limited. It can only ever be a small fraction of total power plant output. Consumers are not adopting it at market rates and subisides have diminishing returns. It's a loss-leader, meaning increasing investment will lead to greater losses. At a certain point the losses will be too much for the state to absorb and they'll be cut.

>>108037934
Please point to the actual laws that would be violated and explain how.

>>108038067
The law of my fist punching directly into your nose.

>>108037931
also at fukushima the engineers wanted a floodwall and didn't get it, the entire disaster was completely preventable

My commute to work is 9 minutes and I only do that twice a week. Also going to friends houses etc, I usually only charge once every three weeks.

However I did almost get stuck in bumfuck nowhere because I couldn't find a working charger on my way back from the city, so these really are only town cars. There's no guarantee 5 chargers you visit won't be broken.

>>108037795
>just make 800 billion tons of batteries
You actually don't really need any lithium batteries at all. You can just pump water up a hydroelectric dam while you're producing excess energy, then run that water back down at night. There you go, you now have a gravity battery.
Of course there are more efficent ways to do this, such as molten salt thermal batteries, but that might confuse and scare you.

>>108037926
Nigger who the fuck is using diesel? Are you a eurofag who hates your lungs?

>>108037897
Is that all you got?

>>108038067
Energy density. It's physically impossible for reversible batteries to compete with hydrocarbons. Also, storage in general is the big problem and why energy generation via solar is not viable outside of a small supplementary role. The most economical way to store solar energy is via pumping water into a basin. It's incredibly inefficient.

>>108038099
Reversible battery reactions can never compete with combustion in efficiency. Hydrocarbons react with oxygen in the air to produce energy, which means they don't need to carry it around. Batteries cannot do that. This is not a problem you can engineer away.

>>108037292
I only understand them if you have solar panels on your roof that generate enough to charge the EV and a short commute. That's what my parents have and their commute to and from work is effectively free year-round.
Outside of that I just cannot make sense of having an EV. To me they just don't feel good to drive because of their weight - EVs are almost always heavier than regular cars and not by a little bit, on average they're heavier by about 300-400 kilograms. It's like having 5-6 passengers in your car at all times. They wear out the tires quicker than regular cars, the battery degrades far too quickly, I mean, imagine if you bought a gasoline car and your gas tank shrunk every year.

You guys can cope all you want but for normal people, not car nerds, people will look back at combustion engines like CRTs. A cool novelty, objectively worse for everyone but the most nerdy. Goodnight, closing this thread for good I'll be getting the last laugh

>>108038069
No violation there.
>>108038100
No one is saying that you can get better energy density.
>storage in general is the big problem
A problem being solved, especially with the solid state batteries that have much less risk of fire.
Battery backed solar is being installed RIGHT NOW. They are literally doing it already.

>>108037292
>0 drawbacks if
a car is basically the same as a fridge to you

>>108038108
>Reversible battery reactions can never compete with combustion in efficiency. Hydrocarbons react with oxygen in the air to produce energy, which means they don't need to carry it around. Batteries cannot do that.
What if batteries didn't need to react with oxygen?

>>108037865
>That file from 2007 doesn't fucking mean anything
Like that document from 1947 that created the CIA doesn't mean anything in 2026 right?

Kill yourself glow nigger. I'm linking it again: https://files.catbox.moe/bhpmsy.pdf

How many more times you going to copy/paste the same posts in an attempt to make it appear this thread is organic instead of the same shit you've spammed for the last 3 days?

>>108038108
It wastes the vast majority of that, you cannot simply engineer that away either. Internal combustion engines are a dead end technology, EVs have a bright future and will probably have better range than vast majority of their gas counter parts by the end of the middle of the next decade if not sooner

>>108038119
Battery backed solar is absolute unscalable shit. Politicians can do tons of things with stolen taxpayer money. That does not make it good.

If you want to throw money into a bottomless pit with the hope that future technology will bail you out, you can do so with your own money instead of stealing from taxpayers.

Classic fucking "If the leftists like it we must hate it". Electric cars are pretty based if you are a real off the grid fuck the Jews kinda person. Creating electricity is a lot easier then making fuel plus people like Edison motors have the right idea with a diesel motor powering the electric ones. People should be more pissed with auto manufacturers making shit unrepairable cars rather than if they are electric.

>>108038131
They don't. What I'm saying is that's a bad thing. There's a reason why animals use oxygen to generate energy in their cells. It's incredibly efficient, much more so than anaerobic reactions.

>>108038150
Electric cars themselves are fine. The problem is funding them using tax dollars.

>>108038143
>Battery backed solar is absolute unscalable shit.
But it is scalable, though. You just build more of it.

>>108038151
What you're talking about is really energy density and not efficiency.

Can we just make faggot glow niggers /pol/ posting general and give them containment? This shit is getting out of control and I'm sick of the mods supporting it.

>>108038184
Batteries are immensely resource intensive to make and maintain. Right now their primary use is in consumer electronics like phones, so you don't realize that. There's a reason diesel generators are used instead of battery banks.

>>108038208
>There's a reason diesel generators are used instead of battery banks.
Because they haven't been upgraded to modern backup power systems yet.

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>>108037292
>0 drawbacks if
>proceeds to name several drawbacks.

>check /o/
>same thread
>same image
You faggots are pushing this shit hard. I wonder how much cock this e-celeb took up the ass last month to get artificially promoted this hard.

Does he talk about the 3 weeks his piece of shit gook car spent at the dealership because it blew one fuse?

>>108038060
hence the push for EV's, I thought I made that sufficiently clear

>>108037326
You are a massive fag.

The most efficent future car is this:
A 1l straight 3 cylinder turbo diesel engine running at constant 4000 rpm, connected to the wheels through a continuously variable transmission which is also connected to a small battery.

At slow speeds, the battery runs the wheels, engine remains turned off.
As medium speed, engine starts taking over, but it always runs at 4k rpm and the excess power charges the battery.
At high speed, engine fully runs the car, if even more power is demanded, electric battery can be depleted for a little while.
Braking is also done with the transmission and charges the battery.
When the engine turns off due to lack of power demand, the turbo is also slowed down through an F1 style KERS to charge the battery.

This style of vehicle response is very unconventional however. People don't expect their engine to turn on first once they get up to 30mph. The closest thing on the roads to this right now is a Prius.

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Let's celebrate effectively giving the Muslims and Jews direct control over the US political system by controlling the cost of living and hence political discontent via gas prices.

Energy independence is gay liberal fag shit. True Patriotic Americans stand with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

>>108038269
Right. Clearly the solution to over-reliance on technology is its destruction. It's time to go back to living in caves.

t. Luddite

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I can see the point in electric vehicles for driving within suburban/urban areas where the distance is still too far to drive to the shops, or for local deliveries. Like many "green" innovations, how EV's are presenting themselves as a replacement and not a niche alternative is an imposition and invites (rightly) critical comparison. Also cars have already become impossible to repair cheaply due to parts becoming self-contained units costing thousands, rather than a matter of replacing a few wires and off-the-shelf components.

>>108038257
Turbos are a meme, electric turbos are a double meme. F1 walked away from MGU-H, only a few hypercars bothered with it.

Dumb, proven naturally aspirated conventional 4 cylinder engine + hybrid motor for significant power boosts and regen breaking is reliable, cheap and just werkz for cases where full electric isn't practical.

>>108037536
>still arguing fossil v solar
nukes are right here dog, these people are so retarded
batteries are horrible

What matters most is the weight.
With today's fat fuck cars, you're pissing away most of the energy just to move the car instead of the actual cargo.

I wanna see some ultralight EVs instead we get the same big and bulky bullshit as other cars

>>108038237
No, it seems like you think that free markets were something that ended recently (with a ban on petrol vehicles) when they never existed.

>>108038319
It is somewhat amusing how economy is now so very important.

>>108038319
cars are heavy because of all the safety shit mandated now
evs are even worse because not only do you need a half ton battery but you also need to protect it

thats why theres like 2 decent looking EVs and the rest are crossover softroader garbage

>>108038315
>Turbos are a meme
The engines F1 walked away from were the most efficent ICEs the humanity has ever devised. They walked away from it because manufacturers wanted simpler engines and bigger batteries.

The classic 4 cylinder + dumb hybrid is definitely cheaper though, I'll give you that. The increased price of what I described isn't in the materials however, it's mostly in R&D and lack of scale. The cost can be brought down. 3 cylinder engines are already starting to become more common, they're inherently more balanced, therefore more reliable and efficent.

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>le evil toxic polluting battery plant!!!!111
>less then 5% of nickel goes towards making batteries
>modern battery chemistries like LFP or LMO use zero nickel (or cobalt mined by poor starving african niglets)
>71% of nickel goes towards making stainless steel and 14% other alloys
ugh stainless steel pots and pans are killing the planet.

>>108037550
Retarded take

>>108038340
lighter evs can use smaller, lighter batteries since they're pissing away less power

>>108038347
Engines that require a team of dozens of elite engineers to manage, hours of pre-heating time before each start and still blow up after 1500 miles are kind of not ideal for consumer applications.

>>108038315
>>108038347
Koenigsegg Gemera is also using a straight 3 supplemented by an electric motor. What they're doing is obviously more focused on being a supercar, but these technologies will eventually trickle down to more regular ass cars too.

>>108038359
weight has less impact on energy usage than you think

aerodynamics are much more important

>>108037292
>Battery degrades within less than 10years
Now what

>>108037550
I wonder how much their inability to walk places contributes to their obesity. I bet it's a good portion of why.

>>108038370
No, weight is a huge factor.

Consider a 900kg vehicle, transporting a 100kg person.
That's already 90% of the energy fundamentally wasted on transporting its own weight before you even consider any other inefficiencies.

>>108038393
ok but the difference in energy usage for a 900kg ev hauling 1 100kg american and the same 900kg ev hauling 6 100kg americans (pretend they'd fit) is surprisingly small

*locks you inside*
*explodes*

>>108038413
900kg ev lmao

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>>108038393
If you argue about energy waste, start calculating the amount of energy a ICE car loses to heat losses.
There's this youtuber that does 1000km rides with evs and measured the energy usage, see his spreadsheets here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit?pli=1&gid=15442336#gid=15442336

Pic related shows that ICE cars burn 5-6x the amount of energy.

>>108038438
I don't care.

>>108038438
Modern ICEs are fairly energy efficient.

The biggest loss is always the weight.
That's why a small moped with a shitty little inefficient ICE is overall much more energy efficient than a big heavy car.

>>108037292
I would love to buy one. So long it has a range of 500km, and costs less than ~4k USD cause that's the budget I have for a car.

>>108038380
then you replace it at less cost than the gasoline you would have burnt

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>>108038413
>900kg ev
Picrel is a 900kg car. The battery alone of an ev weights more than 900kg.
https://youtu.be/lTH0OouvdjA

>>108038476
>The battery alone of an ev weights more than 900kg.
>an electric bike has 900kg batteries
okay retard

>>108038489
>

>>108038462
>Modern ICEs are fairly energy efficient.
He literally measured a modern ICE vehicle and came up with the 5-6x figure. Even if their vehicle was shit and there's one thats 3x better (hint, there isn't) your still of by a factor of 2-3x.

Literally would be more efficient to burn the fuel in a larger power station with higher efficiency and charge an ev with that electricity generated than use it in an ICE car.

>>108038495
Again: I don't care. I like the freedom of being able to dump gasoline in a tank in 2 minutes and driving another 500+ miles.

My daily driver gets 12mpg and I DON'T CARE.

I'm never giving it up and you're never going to convince me it's bad for the planet. Enjoy the sound of my unmuffled pipes and the smell of my leaded gasoline. I hope you're behind me on the interstate so you're forced to huff the sweet smell of my fumes from my non-catalytic convertor straight pipes.

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>>108038476
Here's your 900kg BEV anon. It's the fastest car up pikes peak btw.

>>108038510
>paved pikes peak
Faggot shit. Event died the day they paved the mountain because you tree hugger faggots claimed the dust kicked up was killing fish in the local river.

Do you know why no one goes to Formula E races? They're not fun. They're shit compared to real Formula 1 where you get to hear the roar of the engines.

>>108038521
>formula 1
Been hybrid for years

>>108038528
>Bro you don't understand motorsport would be so much better if you went along with my faggot shit
Attendance is decline. Fans tuned out. Profits slashed in half.

Seems like it didn't work out.

>>108038510
I tried to warn ice-cucks of their upcoming suicide watch status, they didn't listen, so we get this nice show instead, worth it

>>108037292
Apparently all americans have to commute 500 miles or something, just like they all have to haul and tow piles of wood and shit.
Literally a nation mindbroken by Ford 100 years ago

>>108038538
fans dont even care about the cars
they get bored because the same person always wins

>>108037376
Some places are on track to ban gas cars even though EVs aren’t on track to not suck for people who need to haul cargo and run the A/C and drive all day
I could get by with an EV and charging at 3 MPH off a 15A 110V socket but not everyone can
>>108037542
This

>>108037292
recharging is good I also like how quiet they are however
>they start at 40k
>maintenance costs more
>you cant repair them yourself if something breaks
>too much tech in the cars that distract
I want a dumb EV car thats easy to repair and for which I can read out error/data without some workaround.

>>108037374
Seems like you failed to find an argument yet again, MIGAtard.

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>>108038544
>implying we wouldn't exploit any advantage to win
We all know electric engines = instant torque you dumb faggot. The reason they weren't used in motorsport in the 1980s is because of the rule book and the fact that they're prone to overheating in any competitive environment.

Cars are shit because of you faggots making demands that they should be safer instead of teaching people how to properly drive. So now a car that should get 60+mph is getting 25mpg. Now you want us to give up the last bit of freedom modern cars give us to hook our shit up to the grid. All while you track every move we make for "insurance" purposes. After the mandated EVs comes the mandated self driving bullshit. Which means no one gets freedom of movement ever again. Since your "AI" is fucking shit in the real world so the only way it works is making everyone a passenger.

Once you get that you get free murder button for glow niggers. Which modern cars already have. Which is why I'll never be caught sitting in one.

We should murder one of you faggots for each and every good car that got sent to the scrap yard on purpose to fuck over the used car market. No one wants these modern cars. They're shit. No one wants an EV. They're shit. No one cares about your opinion on the matter: you're shit.

Enjoy huffing my fumes faggot.

>>108038560
>fans dont even care about the cars
Right. That's why every fan laments the loss of Group B, 1980s turbo monsters in F1 and the unrestricted V8s NASCAR had before the Car of Tomorrow.

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>>108038510
>Links ev shitwagon believing its a mog
>Doesn't realise it's inferior to the T.50s in every way
>Weights less, has more power, doesn't run out of charge after 100 yards
852kg total weight and 835hp per tonne. Lmao. I bet you don't even know who Gordon Murray is without looking him up. These ev kids are all the same.

>>108038568
If you're paying more in maintenance for an EV you either fucked up or you're getting scammed.

>>108038584
controversial opinion I dont think race car drivers should die for our amusement

>>108037292
I can't recharge at home.

>>108037556
He shows that in the video (multiple solar farms are opening near him, and where he lives is not very sunny).

His main point, really, is that you should turn some of the cornfields that are used to produce ethanol to be added to gasoline, in to solar farms.

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>>108038538
>If I make shit up, I don't have to face the reality.

>>108038585
>gets mogged in nordschleife by a volkswagen

>>108037386
not a leftie in the slightest but what's wrong with the whole 15 minute city idea? i could understand the hate if you were really locked into your small ghetto, but where does the assumption that you can't just leave it come from?

>>108038614
Oh look everyone he's got a chart! Don't believe me. You know. The actual person that been attending events since the early 1990s and has seen the drastic decline in attendance first hand.

They don't show the crowd on TV anymore because more than half the seats are empty. NASCAR's track mafia has been forced to rip out over 75% of the seating they built during the boom in the 90s because they can't even fill the 25% of the seats left over lmao.

>>108038601
I don't think you deserve to have an opinion if you aren't driving the car. How do you feel about that? Let us worry about the risks we want to take. You faggots with your little opinions have ruined the sport. Shut the fuck up and don't watch it if you're too much of a pussy to see a man burn to death or crack his skull open doing what he loves. You can't cheat death and the only reason there hasn't been a death lately is pure luck. It doesn't matter how "safe" you make the car. Someone will figure out a way to die in it and there is a line of people around the block to take him place.

You don't even have drivers to watch anymore. Now all you have are spoiled rich boy faggots playing go-kart with daddy's money.

>>108038597
Look everyone EVs are suddenly bullet proof and don't require maintenance. Brought to you by the same kind of retard that doesn't change his oil and then wonders why no one wants to fix his engine.

>>108038613
Good plan. Let's take land that could be used to feed our own population and turn it into solar farm where we have to throw out batteries everyday and replace panels every 3 years. I'm sure nothing like a hail storm will come along to fuck it all up.

Even better plan: Let's stop paying farmers not to use their own land or to grow more corn and build a nuclear plant on it. That way it's "not in your backyard".

>>108038647
>where does the assumption that you can't just leave it come from?
The fact that that's exactly what's happening in China and all the faggots attending the WEF meetings praise it maybe.

>>108038653
>Let's take land that could be used to feed our own population
But it's not used for food. It's used for shitty ass ethanol additives.
Solar is a much better use for the same land.

>>108037575
>muh stick shift
You fags are the fucking worst. There has been zero reason for stick shift in the past 10 years outside of wanting to jerk off a shifter knob.

Thank god even work vehicles are getting automatics nowadays. Until about 5 years ago unless you were buying a Mercedes vans tended to come all with a stick shift. Can't fucking wait for my next van to have a modern 9 speed automatic.

>fix your own car
You can't fix any modern cars yourself. Be it EV or ICE.

>>108037730
>Let me guess, the solution
my solution is develop maid bots so people can focus on making sex bots instead of spending time on daily household chores because with the maid bots we'll be given a house each to take care of. but first to prove you are worthy of society you will undergo a litmus test like return-the-trolly-cart and if u fail you'll be smacked on the ass until i cum and then sent to the moon to mine minerals. the future, can't wait
>>108037924
a lot of those incidents i heard were mainly due to the kgb thinking radiation could cure aids

>>108038635
>gets mogged in nordschleife by a volkswagen
I looked up your nordschleife record. It turns out a Group C Porsche 956 from 1982 is only 6 seconds slower. Lmao. Great ev though? With its 45kWh battery?

>>108038610
lmao just buy an extension cord
its like 20 bucks

>>108037292
>0 drawbacks if you [...] dont need to travel by car
lmao

>>108038653
>too much of a pussy to see a man burn to death or crack his skull open doing what he loves
this sounds so edgy and cool and badass until its your turn to die

>>108037292
>dont need to travel by car
what's the fucking point of owning a car if I can't go on long trips?
Having a car just for office commute is egregiously retarded wageslave behaviour.

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>>108038653
>They don't show the crowd on TV anymore
Tell me how I know you don't watch F1 lmao.
>Nascar
Lol, lmao.

>>108038679
>a car that's infamous for killing its driver is also slower
Weird flex but ok

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>>108038653
F1 is more popular then ever.

It's mostly down to femoids watching Drive to Survive on Netflix and getting caught up in the driver's personal drama plus Liberty Media bringing in actually legitimate tech company sponsors over cigarette companies on top of all the celebrity and influencer memes rather then great racing, but I guess it's hardly any worse then it was during the Mercedes Domination era.

>>108038462
>>108038393
The peak ICE efficiency is around 50%. And that's in ideal conditions which are far from the conditions you see a car engine used in. Even in a best case scenario half the gas you burn is turned to just heat.

Weight doesn't really matter for energy consumption. It does matter for road wear. But for energy consumption the only thing that matters is aerodynamics. It's by far the single most important thing in determining how much energy is needed to move a car. The way weight does matter is that you need more power and thus bigger engine to get that weight moving. But once it's moving it doesn't really matter. And with EVs and energy recuperation the additional weight will mean you recuperate more while braking.

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>>108038731
>rather then great racing
I get where you're coming from, but we do get to watch verstappen at his peak, alonso still doing his magic etc. Even the pay drivers are not as shit as they used to be back in the day. All things considered, things could be much worse.

The inter-state road trip is a very American issue at least, EVs are pretty practical in europe, and chargers are just about in every carpark now outside of tiny rural towns, and even those are gettiing them now.

>>108038647
>but where does the assumption that you can't just leave it come from?
They're just restricting your ability to move freely out of the kindness of their hearts, right?

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>>108038731
>Females get into F1
>F1 driver yaoi shipping fanfics are a thing now
sasuga

>>108038749
>EVs are pretty practical in europe
You're (falsely) assuming people don't drive long distances in Europe.

>>108038791
like 99% of people driving is their daily commute
long distance isn't that important

>>108038048
What? Mercedes are the gayest cars on the planet.

>>108038799
>long distance isn't that important
Do you really think people don't drive outside of their daily commute in Europe? you're delusional.
Family visits, sky trips, vacations in an adjacent countries - just as a few examples - are a major pain the ass with an EV.

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>>108038822
Why do Burgers and ICEtards think you can't do long range with an ev. If you travel for less than 12 hours you can do 1000km in almost all EVs. Pic related is a circle of a radius of 1000km. You can go to almost everywhere in central europe in that time. It's worst case 50% slower than an ICE car, in practice it's much less since you need to eat, piss and shit anyway.

>>108038822
Vacation is usually done through plane. I don't think anyone drives to vacation unless it's specifically a roadtrip that they're after.
Family visits are done with the train unless you're poor or in eastern europe or something. Ski trips are definitely train.
That's not to say you can't use a car for those purposes, but usually public transport is the more convenient option.

>>108038365
i thought no one was getting the 3 once they introduced the other option

>>108038791
>>108038799
Long distance driving isn't an issue with EVs. Even over 1000 km trips in well below freezing the difference in time used is like half an hour at most. No one drives distances like that without stopping, even if their diesel car with 70 liter tank can do 1000 miles without stopping. You'll take a break for 1 - 2 meals and multiple toilet breaks over that distance. Fast charging gets your battery from almost empty to almost full faster than you've eaten your McDonalds meal. Spending 5 - 10 minutes longer while taking a bathroom break to charge your car some doesn't actually matter.

>>108039030
>You'll take a break for 1 - 2 meals and multiple toilet breaks over that distance.
sure but on ICE you don't absolutely have to stop where there's a station

>>108039045
Charging stations are fucking everywhere already. Many places that don't even have a gas pump do have EV charging.

>>108037376
>why does it hurt you so much what someone else is driving or doing with their life?
They see those actions as threats to their beliefs, values and sense of self-worth (Do-Gooder Derogation), so yeah, being a good person, even if unintentional, is can be perceived by many as a bad thing, because it remembers them (or makes them feel as if) they aren't as virtuous.

>>108039110
>it remembers them
good morning sir

>>108037292
EVs could have been worthwhile if manufacturers decided to just make cars with electric motors instead of 2 ton smartphones

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>>108037292
I want an EV without the computer parts
No tablet display, no firmware updates.

>>108039145
>>108039141
but how will you know your range without telemetry and apps?

>>108037334
i never understood this, the battery on normal cars lasts basically forever

>>108039155
not the same chemistry those batteries are super heavy for the little power they have, a dull EV on that would be way heavier

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>>108037556
anon markets can easily be manipulated even without the government intervening.
>>108039150
you're right silly me. I need my 3 ton steel box to communicate with the feds for my own safety.

>>108039166
so basically those batteries just have more capacity but less power? why doesnt the EV have a secondary battery than?

>>108039176
weight

>>108039126
good morning

>>108039176
they don't have more capacity far from it, they have a lot lower power density but they're not made for the same thing lead acid used to actually power EV motors would weigh a fuck

>>108039205
ok then why do electronics decrease EV range?

>>108039167
>anon markets can easily be manipulated even without the government intervening.
No they can't. It's actually very difficult. By far the easiest way is to lobby governments to do it.

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>>108037556
The oil industry has decades and decades of embedding itself deep into lobbying efforts and receives tens of billions of subsidies in the US every year. Entire political careers both in working for politics or for working for oil companies are involved in ensuring this never changes and any perceived threat to this model is destroyed.
You can't beat it. If you invent a perpetual motion machine tomorrow that grants infinite free energy it will never get anywhere in the US because the oil monopoly will destroy it and you will receive two bullets to the back of your head for daring to stand against it.

>>108039229
Anon, if that were true then how did solar ever get any subsidies at all? Isn't the oil company grip unshakable?

The oil industry keeps winning because the laws of physics are on their side.

>>108039155
Wtf are you talking about? You have to replace them every like 5 years max. EV batteries last 20+ years.

What's the cheapest used ev I can I use for a beater, especially for winter? I was thinking a 2014 Nissan leaf for around 3k. I only drive like ten miles a day when I have to go out, tops

>>108039248
>used EV
LMAO

>>108039248
Can you charge at home? Do you plan to do any long range trips at all? Whats the maximum range you need to be able to do on one charge? And finally location.

In Europe, the Renault Zoe with the 50kwh is a steal right now. Leafs eUps, eGolfs etc. have rapidgate, BMW i3 is super overpriced.

>>108039267
I can charge at home, have a garage. 80+ miles on a full charge is more than enough for what I'd be hoping to use this car for so anything over that is fine. Thinking 10 miles MAX a day plus some buffer for other stuff. Location Chicago.
Okay with used, the cheaper the better as long as the model isn't totally garbage. Like I said, beater.

>>108039238
the battery life

>operation costs over the car's lifetime
these are in favour of EVs only if you live in a house and can charge it at home. charging at stations or renting a charging spot will cost just as much as gasoline.

>>108039290
Go look up what an alternator is.

>>108039317
???

There is literally nothing an EV can do that a normal combustion engine car can't do better plus you won't look like a faggot driving it.

>>108037312
>you don't have access to fast charging at home
must be some ameripoor thing lol

>>108039287
Depending on your gasoline vs electricity prices a cheap gasoline car might still be cheaper. But with that requirement any of them will do.

This is a bit out of date but still good info:
evclinic.eu/2024/11/03/which-used-ev-to-buy-a-beginners-guide/

I think nissan leaf or eUp if available would work well for you if you can get it cheap.

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>>108039212
sweet summer goy
>>108039236
>you have these panels that need to be replaced every 25-30 years
>you wash them once a month
>you also cut the grass or tell local herders they can come in your field and let the animals graze it.
alternative
>expensive drilling sometimes in the middle of the ocean
>producing corn specifically for ethanol(it's a specific corn breed)
also alternative
>magic rocks that heat water on their own and they need to be moved to huge cement blocks after a few years, hurting nothing.

Frankly anon most of it is status quo bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo_bias
Some people also like to call it baby duck syndrome/ familiarity bias etc.

It's like assuming an AMD CPU is a power hungry piece of shit because you tried a bulldozer back in the day
Or assuming an EV is bad because the last time you tried one it was the 2010s.
People's refernce point is typically stuck in their first impression of something.
Wether good or bad. My favourite burger joint used to be a lot better yet we still hang out on that place because we used to go there back in high school etc.

They're even more environmentally damaging than gas cars because of the battery. They can't be disposed of safely and the manufacturing process is massively polluting.

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>>108037670
east taiwan or any random slavic shithole has more actual freedom than israels largest vassal.

>>108037376
Why are you so defensive? You're damn near hysterical. Cut out the HRT

>>108037376
>why does it hurt you so much what someone else is driving or doing with their life?
because they're banning ICE due to EV copers

>>108039387
I heard that if a single solar panel breaks the toxic nerve gas they use to make solar panels gets released and it could depopulate half a city...

>>108037292
Don't look into how the vast majority of electricity is generated. How much petroleum products are used for all the materials for a single bev appliance. The required materials to build one battery pack. The still not implemented setup to recycle these packs. Worse yet as the chemistries keep changing requiring different methods to recycle them. The additional tire wear and road abuse that bev appliances cause due to their weight.
But hey, you have an ipad glued to the dash so that's neat for you.
Also his tantrum over people enjoying things he doesn't like was comedy gold.

>>108038559
Corpos won, everybody gets lead around by their ego; the biggest population of sheep in history. Nothing to do about it now but descend further into the hellscape.

>>108037292
EVs are only for rich people. Wake me up when I can get a decent EV for under £2000

>>108038613
>you should turn some of the cornfields that are used to produce ethanol to be added to gasoline, in to solar farms
Might have been his most retarded take. There are millions of acres in the south that are useless for farming. Why the hell would you ever ruin good soil for an eventual e-waste meme?

Why the fuck would you drive any vehicle manufactured after 2006 at the latest? There's too much bullshit in modern cars and they're all built like cheap shit that will explode if you sneeze on it wrong.

>>108037312
>I drive 120 miles a day for my job
Have you considered living closer to your job?

>>108039378
You can't manipulate markets without government involvement. You can only participate in markets, which everyone does.

>>108037753
The main issue with this theoretical approach is the negative externalities inherent in burning oil. Those will, by definition, cause over-consumption of oil, past the market equilibrium.

That being said, EVs don't seem nearly ready for prime time. I will stick with my g37s for as long as humanly possible, including an engine swap, if it comes to that.

>>108038507
>Again: I don't care. I like the freedom of being able to dump gasoline in a tank in 2 minutes and driving another 500+ miles.
>My daily driver gets 12mpg and I DON'T CARE.
Ok? And how does this figure into other people having EV's and expanding the infrastructure for that? No-ones suggesting you don't keep your ICE vehicle if you feel its a core part of your identity. How often do you make these 500 mile trips, which you can do with a EV anyway because I'm going to assume you're going to want a break to stretch your legs and get a bite to eat at the midpoint, no?

>>108038476
What percentage of cars that are daily drivers on the roads do you think are even remotely in that class? You'd drive yourself mad trying to use that thing as a daily.

>>108039501
Literally everything has externalities. It's a made-up argument to justify government interventions.

>>108037575
>stick shift
Yeah you just like wanking your car off don't you anon? Admit it, you like the feel of a hard shaft in your hand while your car growls and moans underneath you.

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>>108039529
So you understand externalities and why the government is the solution, but then ignore that because "le everything has externalities" when it's obvious that something like oil has much larger externalities than something like FOSS software, which has either 0 or close to 0?
I can acknowledge that it's unfortunate that the unregulated market cannot produce and consume goods at the optimal rate, but just throwing your hands up instead of pursuing a more complex solution is defeatist and retarded.

>>108037376
Because the automotive industrial complex is planning on banning normal cars. It won't happen immediately and it will take a lot of political capital, but it's what they're all aiming toward, and some say it outright.

And I don't want a car that's like a fucking cell phone and has its battery degrade and holds half the charge after several years. Worse than a cell phone, at least with a phone if you want to, you can still take it to a repair shop and get a replacement battery for like 100 bucks. Replacement battery for a car is like half the price of the entire car.

>>108039554
>why the government is the solution
Government is not the solution. It can't be, because it's run by human beings with their own values and not superhumans. If people believe a certain business has negative externalities they are welcome to not use it.

>>108037292
One: Both very high and very low temperatures easily put your range in half
Two: In many countries homes are not connected to a strong 400 ooooomph grid. Enjoy charging with 230 or less volts.
Three: Very huge Li-Ion battery that might become a very huge fire hazard and has degradation
Four: Range varies by huge margins even if you only apply slight changes (one person more, 5mph faster etc)
Five: Impossible to wrench on if that's what you like
I don't even write about the horrible designs and the touch screens and the surveillance tools because EVs share those with ICEs.

Here's the thing: When I put amount X of fuel into an ICE car I know I'll be able to drive Y miles +/- a few dozen miles tops no matter what weather or load. Even a heavy-ass trailer won't cut my range in half or reduce it by a third.
So even if I live in central Yurop where every home is connected to a 400 Volts 3 phase AC grid I woulnd't get one until they solve these basic problems.

>Hehe it's 20 degrees C I can drive 300 miles
>Shit, it's 30 degrees, now I can just drive 180 miles
>Crap it's slightly freezing, now I can just drive 160 miles - 130 if I use heating and lights
That just sucks a hairy ass bro.

>>108037292
why can't my home garage be built like that?

>>108039532
>american immediately starts projecting homosexual fantasies
many such cases

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>>108039583
That's not how market incentives work. In markets, you use price signaling to achieve an efficient distribution of goods and services. Telling people to just choose not to use things with large negative externalities goes against thr whole point of making markets in the first place: price signaling.
Now don't get me wrong, governments are almost always corrupt as hell and this means in practice they often push us to less efficient production/consumption equilibrium points, but that is a challenge in political science, not economics. In economics, it is clear that you need government to correct large externalities. You cannot abandon that part of basic fundamental economics and have the remaining part of the theory make any sense. Why use price signaling at all if it won't arrive at an optimal production/consumption point?
I am NOT a fan of my current government or pretty much any of the governments on Earth, but I can acknowledge that, for some goods and services, they likely get us closer to equilibrium than the free market would.

I'm completely done with new cars. EVs are just the tip of th spear in terms of all the dumb shit they're ruining cars with (smart features, touch screen only UIs, lack of physical shifters, hand-holding bullshit, etc). I'm just sick of it. I had to borrow a friend's car last week and I couldn't so much as pop the door open a little while backing in to check spacing because the stupid fucking thing automatically throws it into park when a door opens. Or these lane assist suggestion pop-ups that you can't even disable without digging through an entire file structure, which they apparently expect you to do while driving.

I'm not even into cars, but I guess I'm gonna half to in the future, because from now on it looks like I'll have to buy 20+ year old cars and repair them myself.

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>>108039634
If I became a millionaire tomorrow, I'd stock up on pre-2015ish cars. It's insane how sloppified they have become. Not only the interface, but the entire interior too. They're just cutting costs everywhere with paper-thin pleather dogshit, cheap seats with no support, and, of course, hideous Chinese tablets instead of proper dashboard controls.

>>108039624
Externalities can be priced in. See: fair trade coffee, cage-free eggs, sustainable farming, etc. If people cared about the cause they would pay more for the less harmful product. The only reason you'd need the government for that is to go against consumer sentiments. AKA, authoritarian shit.

I wonder how much oil companies spend on bots? Probably doesn't cost much all considered.

epsteins angels already seething about him over on /pol/

>>108037292
My only real complaint is why cant we make an EV with a normal interior, and a normal outside, and stop trying to make it look like a car from an 80s dark scifi B flick? Why Cant I have a LTD looking brick of a car with couch seats, instead of an egg with hard weird seats that don't fit human beings ( the seats in the model s SUCK).

Minor point for me is thus far many hybrid or electrics I have been in give me a massive migraine style headache after only 5 minutes riding in them - 2g/3g Prius and Manual insights do not, so I assume its some part of the more aggressive regen and quieter cabin of many new PHEV/BEVs

I have the perfect commute for an EV : all slow/low speed. About 40 miles total per day, relatively mild winters. If I were to full charge at home or work its a great solution though if it balances out financially is a little up for interpretation if you factor in all costs (we have high electrical rates here relative to median income, high car insurance rates, EV's and Hybrids have higher road taxes/plate fees etc)

If I only used supercharger or fast charge stations away from home though it quickly becomes as or more expensive than my 30 year old turbo sedan. (average price per mile of range according to tesla supercharge data is about .15 per mile locally, with my turbo sedan making out at .13 per mile) My total cost per day factoring in repairs and upgrades, maintenance, taxes/rego and insurance works out to be about 21.9c per mile over the last 3y3m.

Once you factor in BEV's higher registration fees, drastically higher insurance rates, etc my math says it mostly works out to a wash locally. Which is much the same as just about any old add-age about cars : if your old car is running well, reliable, and not an obscene gas guzzler it almost always works in your favor to keep driving it.

>>108037292
>and dont need to travel by car
lol

>>108039155
for one, that's not true, my 2008 ute and my friend's 2012 hatchback both have already needed replacement batteries, and for two, ice engines don't use the battery for anything besides starting the engine. as soon as the engine starts the engine charges the battery again, you only discharge them a little bit each start, they're actually only designed for very small discharge depth, if you let one go flat it'll die super quickly as the grids between the plates are really thin. they're designed for short bursts of high current and nothing else

>>108039680
They realize they won’t be able to raise oil prices with EVs still being a thing so they have to try to kill it.

>>108039502
>No-ones suggesting you don't keep your ICE vehicle
bold faced lie

>>108039420
96% of the electricity produced here comes from CO2 neutral sources. Nuclear, wind, water, biomass, solar.

>>108037312
120 miles sounds grim as fuck anon. At that point living closer is going to make much more of a difference than the type of car.

>>108039823
18 years old and 14 years old. How long do you think the average person keeps a car anon?

>>108039979
until it's not worth the cost to repair it in my experience

>>108039823
see >>108039290

>>108039761
>EV with a normal interior, and a normal outside
Yuropean brands are starting to get this. They raced to the bottom in the past years to make the best smartphone on wheels, but now they're discovering that china makes better smartphones on wheels and they can't compete. So in order to survive they gotta build actually good cars. This will eventually reflect upon the american market too. Future is bright.

>>108037292
>>0 drawbacks if dont actually need a car

so for normal people who need cars, it has all the drawbacks

The moment some new money brownoid faggot impotent pajeet gets any whiff of disposable income from his curry emporium or phone repair store in the mall it ends up financing a Tesla. That's enough for me to completely disregard EVs entirely.

>>108039979
my daily driver is 30, As is my truck. I drove the same car from 2008-2023, and I just sold it this year when it hit 40yr old. Ran and drove fine but I really just needed more room than a 80's sport coupe could provide to haul around the husband, dog, etc.

>>108037292
>0 drawbacks if you can recharge at home/work and dont need to travel by car
>don't need to travel by car

Why the fuck do you think I own a car?
To make Youtube videos about it in my garage?
Also, I don't want computers in my car. My Volvo 145 is from 1970. Owned and daily driven it for almost 9 years now. Zero issues with normal maintenance that I can do myself without a fucking electrical engineer and shit.
Plus I live in Lapland, cold weather + batteries = disaster.

>0 drawbacks

The recent national wide US ice storm proved what Canadians already know. Electric cars suck in winter. They are nearly useless.

>>108037522
>Batteries cannot compare in energy density to gasoline.
They don't need to retard.
Electric motors are more efficient than heat engines.

>>108041267
>The recent national wide US ice storm proved what Canadians already know. Electric cars suck in winter. They are nearly useless.

Retarded take since the most snowy countries in europe have the most ev uptake. Most EVs, especially LFP based ones can work in temperatures where the limiting factor is the gearbox oil freezing up.

>>108041318
By a factor of 2-3x. Gas is 50-70x more energy dense than current batteries

They lose about half their range in major cold.
Which probably isn't a problem for their usecase, which is already city folk.

>>108041211
Entirely unrelated to the topic of this thread, but how do you like it over all compared to other places you have been? I am in the running for an English speaking RF testing and validation role with a company based out of Oulu. Housing seems downright reasonable for in town flats, commute times to most daily life needs like the grocer or pharmacy can be reached in a few minutes walk/bike trip. Out of the main area rural single family homes seem okay too price wise.

I regularly take 1200km drives at 130-140km/h speed, taking just 9-10 hours to go from the city to my lake house. I leave at 4PM and arrive at 2AM. EVs can't do that

>>108037576
tick tock oilniggers
>Now, six months later, the results are in, and the lightly modified EQS used to test the technology fared even better than expected. The automaker says the prototype was able to complete a 749-mile journey (1,205 km) between Stuttgart, Germany, where it is headquartered, and Malmö, Sweden, without stopping once for even a single quick charge.
https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/mercedes-benz-eqs-solid-state-749-miles-1237024332/

>>108037635
>I'm going to be honest with you. I don't really care and I like the smell of gasoline. Leaded gasoline smells really good.
Lmao amerimutts are so fucked in the head

>>108038684
I live in a flat without a garage

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>>108041331
Mountains m or a retarded take europoors drive 1km a day at most.
Running the heater zaps the battery life plus the batteries have a heater. Range is significantly reduced because of this.

Canadians and Americans drive longer distances fuck having range anxiety when it is -15 outside.
Oh fuck I’m driving in winter. Better bring my GASOLINE GENERATOR so I don’t get stranded and DIE!
Shove YOUR retarded take up your ass

>>108041198
>the husband
ah yes, the /g/ay board

>>108038767
>>108038658
Are you stupid? How is giving a population more options for transportation actually resteicting them? If someone lives in a city, then the odds they'll need transportation around their home is a lot higher. More public transportation does not mean people are trapped in a city, they're just able to get around their home easier. Maybe you wouldn't understand that living in some no name town in the middle of nowhere where you need to drive over an hour to get anywhere.

>>108041712
It would be fine if it was competitive without subsidies and laws restricting ICE/mild hybrids. But you had countries and states literally passing laws banning internal combustion engine powered vehicles by a certain date.

>>108041764
they're already banned at the city level in some places

>>108038143
>you can do so with your own money instead of stealing from taxpayers.
Like giving it to welfare niggers/spics?
Investing it into tech is preferrable.

>>108041384
Oulu is not in Lapland. Great city as long as you're not expecting it to be a huge multimillion person metro area. One of the most bikeable cities in the world.

>>108038507
>I'm never giving it up
You're going to have to give it up when gas stations start disappearing

You sound like a fanatical idiot

>>108038560
>they get bored because the same person always wins
They didn't when Schumi was dominating
F1 is probably in decline because of the economic decline, that's it

>>108041931
I know it was not, its a little south, but the rest of the sentiment was there. Its wild as an American seeing everything being able to be walked and biked. Its also a much larger city than where I live, based on population, but not so big it becomes just desolate concrete wastes. It looks based on photos and such to be that Goldilocks level of density for easy access without oppressive man-made canyons of steel, glass, and concrete.

>>108041384
I live in Swedish Lapland so I have no clue about the Finnish or Norwegian side of it.
My town of Gällivare is like any other Swedish town I guess but much cheaper.
Bought my 71m2 apartment for 44k SEK or around €4k.

>>108042022
Oulu has absorbed a lot of the surrounding cities/towns in the last couple decades. So by numbers it's bigger than the actual city feels like. I live here rather than any of the big cities of Boston, NY, Berlin and London I've lived at. But I'm a country boy at heart so being within biking distance of everything while also having a forest right outside my back door is what makes me love it. Also the winters are better than Southern Finland since we get proper winter and not just above/below freezing slush.

What's odd to me is why so few women are interested in daily driving EVs compared to men.
They're expensive but women are notoriously spendier than men. You don't need to gas up at a sketchy station and can just do it at home. They're sold as better for the environment which women tend to care a lot more about. Men drive something like 60% more or longer distances than women so range isn't the issue.
Women seem like the perfect buyers for EVs but they won't bite. Why is that?

>>108039355
>plus you won't look like a faggot driving it.
You dudebros are the biggest fucking retards ever

>>108041378
>Gas is 50-70x more energy dense than current batteries
No it isn't
More like 30-40x compared to standard 200/300 wh/kg EVs

But there are already 600 wh/kg EVs out there and there are still improvements on the way

And you don't really need to match petrol densities
1000wh/kg would be more than good enough

>>108041674
Why are you amerimutts so obnoxious?

I just want an ev so I dont have to do oil changes and pay for emissions testing and do all the other maintenance my crap car need (Dealing with misfires and an oil leak right now).
I hardly drive my car longer than 20 minutes at a time. Maybe do a 700 mile round trip once a year.

>>108041380
>They lose about half their range in major cold.
Older cars sure
Newer models with heat pumps lose 10 to 20%

Solid state batteries don't lose much at all but they're not mainstream yet

>>108037292
anything above a mini city-car is economically non-feasible
its a manufactured trend by Rothschld zhid-o-kikes
Hydrogen cars are 1000x better

>>108037292
personally i only like old cars
and i old electric cars will always be shit, as the battery will be at the precipice

>>108037292
Firefighters hate electric cars

>>108041402
>>108041580

>>108042566
ICE cars combust at a much higher rate

>>108037312
Hold up. Car aside, what compels you to stick with the cuckpartment that makes you waste 2 hours of time every day?

>>108037337
electric bicycles and bikes are actually good I think

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>>108041674
>europoors drive 1km a day at most
The average commuting distance in sweden is about the same as in the States.

>>108037334
Also EV fires can't be easily put out. If your EV catches fire in your home, your home will be burned down along with your car.

>>108037292
Capex