first for FEDora

>Mint Wayland is still experimental
Dead OS.

>>108037958
Install Bazzite

Distro subreddits are borderline unusable.
>finally escaped windows!!
>look at my desktop!! bye windows!!
>day 1 on distro!! no more windows!!
The same garbage on every fucking Distro subreddit when I'm just trying to look for technical discussion.

>>108038058
>when I'm just trying to look for technical discussion.
this "general Linux" subreddit is much better, yes. definitely no non-technical shitposting here.

>>108038058
it's better than treating it like a tech support service for problems already solved elsewhere imo

>>108038058
Why do people even do the second one anyways?
Are they really that desperate for validation?

>install debian
>nvme boot drive cooking under gpu; no fan control for 9070 xt
>locate LACT
>update kernel since stock 6.12 isn’t supported
>sense mouse lag under any graphically intensive task starting with firefox
>write .sh and .service trying to force power_dpm to performance; doesn’t read
>set clocks to high on LACT; resolved
>test AI Limit on steam
>ok so far except for dips with high particle effects
that’s about my journey so far with this thing and right now i can’t tell whether i’m still missing a few extra steps like more updates or my nvme’s just thermal throttling since i don’t encounter these drops on windows. u think it’d be better trying something more current like fedora or see if some extra ventilation like bottom fans would be worth exploring

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>>108038136
I'd argue that the second one is the most valid.

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>Debian's logo is red
>Debian's default wallpapers have always been blue
What did they mean by this?

>>108038031
>image based distro
faggot alert

>fedora kde
should I install bottles from fedora linux default repo or from flathub? why?

>>108037958
how do i share the internet over a single nic?
in ubuntu lts 22.04 if i enable the wi-fi hotspot as a bug or a feature it also enables the internet sharing through the ethernet port, but ubuntu freezes on my laptop every 2-3 hours for some reason. I nuked it and decided to install fedora. it doesn't freeze, but the wi-fi hotspot trick doesn't work on fedora.

>>108038220
The whole point of Bottles is that it's meant to be sandboxed in a stable Wine ABI. There's really no benefit to Fedora Bottles over Fedora Wine.

>>108038220
Flathub, the maintainers themselves recommend against the any repos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpuwIo2y4a4

>>108038188
it's an elite combination of colours

>>108038000
>Xfce Wayland is still experimental
Dead DE.

>>108035788
>What's your technical case for zfs?
I wasn't really making a case for ZFS. My point was that there is nothing that makes Btrfs better than ZFS specifically on a single drive.

>I know it's got really bad fragmentation problems
You're probably talking of edge cases like torrenting directly onto a spinning disk pool without setting appropriate block size on the dataset. Honestly, there's not too many caveats like that and unless you're the kind of guy who wants to kill himself everytime the package manager takes 10 extra seconds to do its thing, then I think it's likely you won't even notice anything.

>it's out of tree. Don't say muh enterprise. Muh enterprise is running RHEL kernels.
What are you even trying to say? RHEL kernels support neither ZFS nor Btrfs. Doesn't mean you can't use them. In fact, RHEL is one of the more reliable distros to use with ZFS, since due to its semi-stable kABI and due to OpenZFS themselves building precompiled modules for it. Alma also recently started supporting Btrfs.

>>108035806
>There's way too many newfags looking to "switch to linux" today, and all of them asking the same questions. What happened? Did some jewtuber make another video on linux? Can't newfags read the thread?
I think that's exactly what happens. Toober shits out a video, kiddies come running scared with a sudden overwhelming need for "privacy" and "security" and "productivity", asking what distro/browser(extensions)/VPN they need to install so they can satisfy that sudden urge and feel good and safe again. Luckily, they're fairly easy to spot and ignore.

>>108038058
Similarly to above, some kid installs distro, makes a post saying "Whoa! I actually like it!!" and gets infinitely jerked off by the community, which in turn causes more posts of this nature to come into existence. You just gotta dig deeper to avoid this shit.

>>108038512
Ok, so you acknowledge it's marginally inferior and more of a pain in the ass to use. That's all I'm saying.

>have 3 apps installed in bottles
>update bottles thru flatpak update
>all apps vanish
nigga u srs?

>>108038058
And I bet each one of them use Arch. Typical Arch shitters ruining every community they go

Ga(y)ming question related:
I'm trying to launch the CODEX crack of Code Vein in Lutris, but there's no way to make it work. On GE-Proton it launches, but sits still at 0% CPU, and on Wine-ge-8-26 it just crashes.
I've read online that "for some reason" CODEX cracks don't always work on linux, but I nobody says why.
I've tried to override denuvo and steam_api dll, force windowed mode, 60 fps cap...
Does anyone know what's going on?

>>108038564
It obviously depends on what you care about and how much it matters to you.
If you really hate it being out of tree and can't stand the idea of losing any raw performance, then sure - ZFS is not for you.
To someone else, it might be the one true endgame filesystem despite its caveats.

>>108038000
When you realise that Cinnamon is just a really bad fork of GNOME then it all starts to make sense. They don't have the man power to build their own Wayland composite and barely have any idea what they're doing. Since their fork is always based on some random ancient version of Mutter it is always going to be experimental.

Mutter recently stabilised VRR support. Does it work in Cinnamon's Wayland session? Well, probably not unless they've rebased it again anytime soon. Ditto for HDR, etc. Mint is always going to be playing catch-up with GNOME. They don't know how to do actual compositor development themselves.

>>108038698
>Ditto
You massive fag.

>>108038713
What is wrong with using that word?

>>108038675
You haven't given one reason to use zfs other than feelios.

>>108038728
I already made it clear that shilling ZFS was not my intention, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to point that out.

>>108038145
Did you setup via tasksel when you first installed? I've never had issues like this on Debian

>>108038727
Using it as a drop-in for "same" is extremely gay.

>>108038107
Guys finally ditched windows years ago can I add this one to my constructed personalityyyyy
heh debian gang rise up 8) bros :)

>>108038810
> Be uptight about the word Ditto
> Be against gay activity
Pick one buddy

>>108038894
I pick the former. Being uptight about the word "gay" is extremely gay, too.

>>108038177
ditto

>>108038919
ditto

OK thought I'd ask here.

Need to install some Linux distro for my parents because I'm not inflicting windows 11 on them.

Years ago I got mum using mint for a while so it won't be that scary for her.
But I need something pretty bombproof and suitable for newbs that I won't have to micromanage. I get enough calls to sort the printer out or scan documents as it is so I need something with long term stable support I can just set and forget.

>>108039062
>But I need something pretty bombproof
I don't think there's something like that.
But check out Zorin, or just use Mint. Never tried Zorin myself, but everyone says that "it just works".

>>108039062
You know the answer

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On gnome whenever I press a media key my pointer starts loading for some reason. Why does this happen? It's kinda annoying.

>>108039062
Ubuntu, so long as they don't go anywhere they know they shouldn't, there won't be a problem.

>>108039062
Why do you care about "support" if the goal is to "set and forget"? Automatic updates will fuck things up sooner or later, and if you have them disabled then it doesn't matter what kind of support you have. Just have them run through all the common tasks.

>>108039109
She should be able to handle simple updates I just need something I won't have to swap out for a while.
She mostly uses firefox and whatever opens word/excel/pdf documents.

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>>108039062
Welcome! Mint is horrible nowadays. I don't even know where to start:
>People keep getting GNOMEd, ie Mint keeps installing GNOME on people's computers because at some point Mint started automatically installing packages' optional dependencies
>The UX is still fragmented
You still can't install updates (aka manage software) using the so-called Software Manager, which merely installs software; you have to go through a separate updating app
>Pressing update in the updater app still does not bring your computer up-to-date
Once the next point release comes out, you still need to manually change your sources to the next point release. There's countless people who simply don't know to do this and have been stuck on ancient versions of Mint for years
>You still need to manually change your apt sources
Mint by default does not choose the fastest mirrors based on your connection (something every normal distro has done for years), so unless you know to do this, you'll be downloading Mint's Frankenstein repo from mixed UK and US mirrors

TuxedoOS is Windoslike and just werks. I wouldn't recommend it to most people but I'd recommend it to your parents as it's basically just a de-snapped Kubuntu LTS.

>>108039062
>bombproof and suitable for newbs that I won't have to micromanage.
Aurora or Bluefin. Alternatively, ZorinOS.

>>108039249
>Aurora or Bluefin
Immutable distros ARE micromanaging. Do you want his mum to have to tinker with Flatpak permissions just so she can open her documents?
>ZorinOS
Why put up with this bloat when you can just install any Plasma distro?

>>108039264
He's the one setting up their distro. It takes 10 seconds to permanently enable all flaptak permissions globally if you think that's an issue.
>Immutable distros ARE micromanaging.
Sure thing buddy, his parent's are TOTALLY micromanaging their phones all the time.

>>108039283
>parent's
I'm illiterate but you get what I mean

>>108039283
>He's the one setting up their distro
>enable all flaptak permissions globally
Then what the fuck is the point of immutability if you're not even leveraging the security model of Flatpaks? Just use any normal fucking distro and that way you won't use up half your RAM and disk on the various runtimes and libraries.
>his parent's are TOTALLY micromanaging their phones all the time
His parents' phones aren't desktop computers with desktop use cases.

>>108039300
Immutability has nothing to do with flatpaks and these distros aren't even immutable.
>Just use any normal fucking distro
They provably don't work for normies and they require much more micromanaging.
>His parents' phones aren't desktop computers with desktop use cases.
"Desktop use cases" for normies are generally the same as smartphone use cases. This isn't even a good argument because you have no idea what their desktop use case is aside from printing and scanning which itself can be done on a phone. Also, what can't be done on these distros that could be done on your preferred distro?

>>108039318
>these distros aren't even immutable
Oh fuck off you prick. "HURR AKSHULLLY THEY'RE ATOMIC NOT IMMUTABLE". Fuck off. Do they work as well as a normal fucking OS? No? Then I'll call them shit; you can call them atomic if you wish.
>They provably don't work for normies and they require much more micromanaging
?????????????????????????????????????????????????
>"Desktop use cases" for normies are generally the same as smartphone use cases
Except Anon already said his mother actually needs to work with files. Who uses office suites on phones? And more importantly, his mother's computer most likely doesn't have 32+GB of RAM.

>>108039062
>>108039135
>She should be able to handle simple updates I just need something I won't have to swap out for a while.
>She mostly uses firefox and whatever opens word/excel/pdf documents.

should have back linked this to my first post

>>108039342
>Do they work as well as a normal fucking OS? No?
You're right, they work better.
>Anon already said his mother actually needs to work with files.
Then any distro will work. These are just the best for normies.
>Who uses office suites on phones?
They're usable and are commonly used on phones and phone operating systems. Even the office suites which aren't pre-installed on mobile phones have hundreds of millions of downloads collectively across iOS and Android.
>RAM
Any distro works fine with 4-8GB RAM, even the three I mentioned.

>?
Linux distros are unusable without Flatpak, anon. The Linux desktop is a complete shitshow and has been until Flatpaks became good at the start of this decade. I'm sorry but your elitism and arbitrary purity tests mean nothing to me. """native""" package management is a failed experiment for desktops. Flatpak and the "immutable" distros have solved the issue of Linux being shit for normies.

You sound completely out of touch with normies and how they use tech.

>>108039385
>You're right, they work better.
How is it better to use more RAM and disk? How is it better for applications to take longer to launch? How is it better than Anon HAS to tinker with his parent's computers before he can hand it off to them?
>Linux distros are unusable without Flatpak, anon
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>108038569
flatpak is immutable/read-only, any changes will get lost
you should learn how to make changes persist or just stick to rpm package

>>108039395
I don't know why /fglt/ keeps doing this to themselves. There is a UBlue shill who has been shitposting here for months. There is no point arguing with him.

>>108039062
>Need to install some Linux distro for my parents because I'm not inflicting windows 11 on them.
if you truly want retard-proof: mac mini m4 is what, $450? and will soon drop even lower once m5 releases. tiny, silent, very power efficient, very powerful for normie usage. it's the best "stop bothering me" option, as long as you're fine with low storage
failing that, just about any popular distro as long as it's KDE. it probably won't survive more than ~2 years in the hands of a retard tho

>>108039395
>How is it better to use more RAM and disk? How is it better for applications to take longer to launch?
This is irrelevant unless you're using a PC from 2005. Way to out yourself as a poorfag. We've already established that a 4GB device would be fine for these distros. Anon said he prefers ease of use over resource efficiency anyway.
>How is it better than Anon HAS to tinker with his parent's computers before he can hand it off to them?
He's already installing an OS. That's already "tinkering". Flicking a checkbox is not tinkering, it's just changing a preference. By your standards there's no OS in the world that doesn't require "tinkering".

>>108039399
This is false and you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>108039412
There's no point of arguing with >>108039395 when he's just shitposting and has never provided a real argument against Aurora/Bluefin outside of irrelevant mumbling about permissions (which exist on every OS and can be disabled) and some irrelevant difference in install sizes.
Sometimes I forget half of /fglt/ is completely out of touch with real people and real users and is just using thinkpads from 2005 where every MB of memory and storage matters. In reality no normal person would give a fuck about these "issues" he has listed nor would they prefer to use Fedora, Debian or Mint over Bluefin.