Is Adobe the worst software company?
No, it's just another company.
>>108049004it is a private company, they can do whatever they please.
>>108049004I mean, for the past 20 years Adobe has been pretty clear they hate their costumers, especially animators. If you sill stuck with them, you got only yourself to blame there buddy.
He's already created his magnum opus and he'll never reach these heights again:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIoaRp9S_jQAdobe are infamously terrible, but David Firth was mean to me in the comments of one of his videos in about 2009 so fuck him.
>>108049004It is merely right and proper that Adobe® shut down Animate™ in oder to focus all their efforts and resources upon AI$.Wasn't this a Macromedia program? Surprised it wasn't long culled by now desu.
>>108049004>using proprietary software unironically
>>108049496>using proprietary toilet paper when you can just admin that shit and use your barr hands to wipe
Just move to after effects and shut the H*CK up.
>>108049004>i demand this company maintain every piece of software they've ever made in perpetuityretard
>>108049004>Kill Flash>Kill Animate (which was always shit but all we had)I do not know why Adobe hate animators so much
>>108049004>Hey we're removing your cloud storage so get your shit outta there>No we're not lowering the price, are you retarded? >You can't update Photoshop, why are you on Windows LTSC, sounds like a you problem>Oh and we're going to use your art to train our AI :^)I used to use Adobe CC now I use Affinity. It's less shit, but still not ideal. It's "free" but the license service will freak out if your system clock is incorrect. The retards are closing the forums and moving discussion to fucking Discord.How do they get delusions of grandeur about dethroning Adobe if they use Discord? It's stupid.The software itself works tho, I highly recommend it to anyone who only uses Illustrator/InDesign or Photoshop.
>>108049584Everyone hates animators
Whocars? I'm still using CS6 and will continue to use it until it's completely incapable of running on any PC on this planet.
>NOOO ABLOOBLOOBLOO YOU _HAVE_ TO SUPPORT SHITTY SOFTWARE YOU SOLD 30 YEARS AGO AHHHH HELP MEEEextreme levels of faggotry
>>108049004As shit as Animate was, like several major players, big productions still use it. I guess enterprise will have some years of transition but, this is going to FUCK the industry and loads of projects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flash_animated_television_serieswell they're screwed
>>108049584It was Steve Jobs who killed Flash. Animate just survived this long by hiding in the attic from Adobe Beancounter SS Division.
HE BUYED BOUGHTED AIDSDOBE GARBAGE
>>108049281>costumersunintentional fitting
what does animate has that Macromedia Flash MX doesn't ?
>>108049599 (checked)>The retards are closing the forums and moving discussion to fucking Discord.Imagine the grooming sessions.
>>108049679Quite a fuck ton of stability.
>>108049599>The software itself works tho, I highly recommend it to anyone who only uses Illustrator/InDesign or Photoshopis there a way to have the same shortcuts as photoshop?
https://community.adobe.com/announcements-539/adobe-animate-end-of-life-and-support-timeline-1548220IT'S OVER
>>108049144>It's okay if a private company decides to blow up a nursery because "they're a private company, they can do whatever they please."Retard.
>>108049829SAAAR IT'S OKAY IF A COMPANY IS FINDING IT IS NEEDING TO DOING OTHER BUSINESS ACTIVITIES SAAARRR WE MUST DO THE NEEDFUL AND GO INTO AI SAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR
>digital web """artists"""i sleep
Boy these AI obsessed Jeet CEOs are really paying off right
>>108049829nice false analogy retard
>>108049829>leftoid pretending to not understandsad
>>108049863>being this buckbroken by the culture war
>>108049927I accept your concession retarded commie
i must say i've never heard of adobe animate. i figured salad fingers was made with adobe flash
>>108049943>Reeee everyone who disagrees with something a company does is a commie
>>108049958>moves goalpost>intentionally acts like he doesnt understandYou're pathetic. It's a private company that can (and will) discontinue a product whenever the fuck they feel for whatever reason they feel like, you cuck fag.
>>108049849i hope whoever chose that font kills themselves
>>108049849>Goyallol
>>108049144i know you're just a ragebaiting billionaire bootlicker, but you're factually incorrect. being "le private company" is not a free pass to do whatever. there are plenty of instances where the federal government has regulated private enterprise. it's the whole reason why google and amazon don't have nuclear weapons and have to at least pretend that they care about profiting off of forced labor.just because the constitution does not apply to private entities does not mean they cannot be regulated through other legal means. there's a lot of ToS and EULA that are straight up unenforceable because you cannot waive your constitutional rights, even if under a contract.
>>108049975But that doesn't mean I have to like it and it doesn't mean I don't have a right to disagree. Are you saying free speech is bad? Try to not use as hominem as a crutch this time little bro
>>108049857I legitimately wonder what's going to happen as a result of this, generally not just with Adobe.Everyone is going all in on things they both don't understand and might not pay off. Big gambles that don't feel like the typical gambles. I'm sure nothing will happen.
>>108049004NOOOOOOONOT THE (((TECHNICAL SUPPORT)))!!!!
>>108049999based and witnessed
>>108049956no, it was made in macromedia flash
>>108050010A couple of companies will come out of this as winners but not fucking Adobe. They're just shooting themselves to a foot. It would be funny if they had to sell or discontinue Photoshop though.
https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/kb/end-of-life.htmlAccess to your Animate files and project data will end on the date that support ends. KEK, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR BUYING SUBSCRIPTION FROM THIS GARBAGE COMPANY
initially, sure
>>108049810They're almost already the same, but yes you can modify all shortcuts to custom inputs in the same way you did in Photoshop.
>>108050234ctrl+t doesnt work the same when I used affinitythanks
>>108049999Remember the story of how Pepsi became the 6th largest navel fleet in the world?
>>108049004It's a tie between Adobe and Autodesk.
The whole point of subscriptions was indefinite support as long as you paid. Adobe breaking the social contract among millennials who grew up with flash culture will not go down well.
>>108050445It was literally the opposite. Live service = can end at any time.If it's not on your computer, unremovable, able to work until the end of time you do not own it.
GoodReturn to cel animation
>>108050405>navel fleetoranges or belly buttons?
>>108049473>Adobe are infamously terrible, but David Firth was mean to me in the comments of one of his videos in about 2009 so fuck him.Based.
>>108049849isn't this the guy who made Calibre?
>>108049004and that's why you use open source, because it can't die
>>108049004no, the first place is reserved for HP>inb4 not software companythey make software for all their shit and it's also shit
>>108049004Adobe is trash but Microslop is the worst company of all time
>>108050912> open sourceFuck off, kike. It's FREE SOFTWARE, not your cucked basedpen basedrce.Read the article: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
>>108049863It's literally what everyone using the muh "pribit cumpuny" is actually saying.A private company isn't above the law and constitutions, yet people argue they're like that.
>>108049564>Software that is used by multimillion dollar studios is now being shut down because the company said "we cant think of anything new to add to the program so we rather just shut it down and focus on AI">Every animation studios current pre production and production is now up in smoke because of this.>HAHAHA GET FUCKED LOSER ON YOUTUBE!You are retarded beyond measure.The point is if this is so easy to do whats to stop everything from being the same way.Eat shit.
>>108051196You are a total fucking retard. A private company or individual can stop supporting it's product whenever the fuck it wants. No contract, no obligations. Log off redditor.
>>108050989you've never had to deal with Adobe Billing Dept. Cosa Nostra have nothing on these fuckers. Only entity I ever had to specifically bar from going the fuck near my bank account, ever again.
>>108049857Why are there so many indian tech CEOs?
>>108049004>be Adobe Animate user>you are locked into year-long commitment with Adobe>Adobe discontinues your workflow and you still have many months left to pay for something that has been discontinued>you have to pay an early cancellation fee if you don't like it
>>108049004Adobe has long been known as a shit software company, in case you didn't hear.
>>108051234they're not "shutting it down". you can still use it. you aren't entitled to receive updates until the end of time. you know that license you pay for when you buy it? that's to use it. you got what you paid for.
>>108051329literally says all copies will be disabled in 2029why cant you faggots read
>>108051349you're lucky they're gifting you that long, you entitled commie faggot
>>108049004I'm just waiting for them to kill InDesign and having to re-learn fucking Quark Express all over again.
>>108049004They earn a shitton of money. So they probably are doing something right.
>>108049004TOTAL FLASH DEATH
>>108051349Only for enterprise customers. Everyone else gets kicked out to the curb next year.
>>108051285Nah, you can still use it, but it wont be getting any more updates. They're still cunts.
>>108049004Macromedia Flash 8 + Flash CS6 ought to be enough for everyone
>>108049829>the government should control what companies can do at a granular levelWhy do you lefty faggots love being governed so much?
>>108049004Who the fuck even watches that shit, good riddance. Based Adobe goyims clearing slop.
Considering that not only will they kill Adobe Animate, but most users won't even be able to open their existing project files after next March (which is unbelievable for a desktop app) this is a great advertisement for FOSS alternatives where such a rugpull is much less likely to happen.https://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-flash/?license=opensource
More specifically, it's Oracle. Their entire business model has been "buy and enshittify" for decades now.
>>108051635the overlap between artists and linux nerds is very small, almost all digital artists use either free proprietary programs or they take it up the ass with a CSP subscription, just watch any artist's video reviewing drawing software, almost none of them use krita, they might mention it in passing but have no experience with it because all their friends use CSP.No, they don't understand why having the tools you rely on be un-rugpullable would be a desirable thing to have, and I really don't see any way to get people to care about software freedom even when their software literally fucks them in the ass.
WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY WONT JUST KEEP ANCIENT PRODUCTS AROUND AND SUPPORTED FOR DECADES TO COME???
>>108051700discontinuing software is fine, and even expectedthey're literally not going to let you use the software at all after a specific date, fuck all your muscle memory and entire body of work being made in that program, fuck you.
>>108049599>The retards are closing the forums and moving discussion to fucking Discord.This pisses me off and I don’t even use Affinity.
>>108049004Not the worst, microslop is running with that banner. However adobe has been extremely tone deaf to what their users want or don't want.
>>108051740>adobe>tone deafthey know they have a captive audience of baby ducks that will stick with them no matter how much they turn the screws and they're squeezing them for as much the market is willing to bear
>>108051264It starts with the boomer belief that jeets are good at tech. Then once they get into any position of authority they only hire more jeets and import their caste system. Once the process is started the company isn't worth saving anymore.
>>108049004People use flash til this day to animate crap, Photoshop CS6 and other old software so why zoomie can't stay on the same version? Fomo? Crack it and unsub from adobe, you'll be saving money even.
>>108051751What they know is how to make PS piss easy to pirate so most will not bother with alternatives. They are still completely tone deaf to what their users want.
>>108051765>Photoshop CS6 and other old software so why zoomie can't stay on the same version?because adobe will literally sue you if you keep sticking to old versions of their desktop software forever
>>108049004It is effortless to pirate the software so it's not an arguement. Also Animate will still work even after it gets discontinued. But there's Opentoonz for the framers and a pricey moho animation for tweeners. Tldr: Read a book, nigger.
>>108051793>>108051700>>108051587>>108049564good morning saars
>>108049004CS6 Master Collection masterrace!
>>108051568You mean like internet ID checks and section 230?
>>108051790And you'll tell them that?
>>108049564If they won't do it and have no interest in releasing a successor then give it to the fucking community and let them sustain it to their own standards.They have development documentation, just release it and go hands-off.
>>108051984>i am entitled to a company's source code because i said solmao
>>108049584Animators hate animating more than software developers hate developing software.
>>108052177i'm not against the principle of saying anyone should be legally allowed to reverse engineer or modify software but you're out of your mind if you think you're entitled to have a company hand over their source code to you.
>>108051854good morning dalit
>>108049473>David Firth was mean to me in the comments of one of his videos in about 2009 so fuck him.you probably deserved it
>>108050896no, first name is different
That faggotry is what is pushing me more and more to open source projects like Blender.At least with big ones like that you can be sure they will stay around for years to come compared to investing years of learning and mastering a program only for it to get abandoned once it doesn't please shareholders anymore.
>>108050599It's been so long, we don't know how to do it. Everything about it was well documented and advertised by Disney but nobody born after 1990 knows how to read a book or sit through an educational film.
>>108051363>Entitled commie faggot.PROGRAM MADE BY WHITES TO CREATE ART GETS SOLD TO INDIANS WHO RAPE IT TO DEATH THEN DESTROY IT!Anybody supporting it like you, is the pinko commie faggot.
>>108052352>Like Blender.Look into who just sank money into Blender so they could be a shareholder and dictate what happens to the company, and who stepped down that was keeping it free. Keep programs out of brown hands if you want them to exist.
>>108049004Autodesk is in the same ballpark.Had to deal with the complete fucking bullshit that was their DRM as a student with a proper license.I'm glad, I've found an occupation not requiring the use of any CAD. Autodesk's DRM pushed me hard in that direction.
That's it, I'm going back to Amiga
>>108052465Three of the new "board" have been in charge of Blender pretty much for years now and are 100% backed by Ton. That ...woman though is a literal who and sus as fuck. Only one who's giving me a really bad feeling about this.
>>108052494I wish I was that chair
ADOBE IS LITERALLY HITLER
Teen Titans Go is made in Adobe Animate. How are we going to live without Teen Titans Go?
>>108049810>>108050360It's a different workflow, even if you change the shortcuts it's not going to be a drop-in replacement for Photoshop and some tasks are easier some are harder it has it's "quirks" but so do Adobe programs.I can't really comment on the photo editing part since I mostly do vector editing and page layouts for printed media and for that it's been very easy to get used to.
>>108049004Of all the horrible things they (and other companies) do, this is the least bad, especially since he can still use it.There are many cases where companies just completely revoke access to things you bought because of some technicality in their TOS. In my view this sort of "licence purchase" should be outlawed, since it is in effect a form of fraud.>>108049829false equivalency and obviously not what was meant>>108051927Many or even most people on the right are against internet ID checks (if you ignore boomers). Section 230 protects broadcasters and online forums against defamation lawsuits; I would not say that's the government telling you how to run your business.>>108049999Why do you want to force a company to continue developing a product? Sure, there is regulation, and some of it is even sensible, but this is going very deeply in the direction of central planning.>>108051417>Access to your Animate files and project data will end on the date that support ends.OK they're cunts (if they mean your local files).
>>108051740>>108051768Adobe isn't tone deaf, they know that they're the industry standard and just want to become the industry standard for AI creators.
>>108049004I don't use jewdobe so not my problem
>>108053412>AI creatorsThis is an oxymoron.
>>108049004Another way for AI companies to remove their competition and force people to consume AI content.You can't watch human-made slop if you prevent them from making more of it.
>>108053355bootlicker
>>108053436AI is just a tool, if you're too uncreative to make use of it, that's not anyone else's problem.AI is here to stay whether you like it or not tranny.
>>108053455Only a tool would use AI because they can't be creative. You seem to be throwing your own faults at others to make yourself feel better.
>>108049004They had decades to support open source software but instead they all chose to pay Adobe subscriptions.
>>108049004This is actually huge, so many animators use this software, and get this, they can't even open their source files after Adobe revokes the activation. Feeling kinda "told you so" ATM. Don't fall for the subscription scam people
Adobe is bad but they stay in their lane.Fuck Oracle
>>108049004>Software still works>You can still produce stuff with it>The developers just stopped updooting it>But the software still works and will keep working just like how it used to for incoming years>Somehow this is the end of the worldI will never understand the updooters' mentality
>>108052565what chair? that's her tail
>>108049849So from what I'm reading, it's ok to pirate Animate (which was ALWAYS morally correct because #FuckAdobe).
>>108054377She's sitting down so there must be a chair somewhere
https://helpx.adobe.com/animate/kb/maintenance-mode.htmlHORY KEK, THEY ALREADY IN DAMAGE CONTROL IN LESS THAN A DAY
>>108049281>I mean, for the past 20 years Adobe has been pretty clear they hate their costumers, especially animators.Adobe have hated everyone for longer than that, the bastards. Only corp I've heard of that will make a format for storing images that's so obtuse that nobody else can get data out of it, and THEN DISCONTINUE SUPPORT FOR THAT FORMAT.God, Adobe should die in a fucking fire, and working at Adobe should be a mark of shame that merits being tarred, feathered, and horse-whipped out of town.
>>108049849>Goyal
>>108049004I honestly don't even know what they make anymore other than complete dogshit like incompatible PDF extensions.
>all of society should be forced to pay for and live in stagnant squalor so i never feel uncomfortable changeboomer mindset
>>108049004>softwarethey own nothing
It kind of feels symbolic that they're discontinuing art programs to chase AI. With 50,000 companies chasing AI I would think that it means that there should be a market for companies doing something else and instead ironing out a niche of loyal customers, but I guess that's why I'm not a tech CEO.
>>108050059>would be funny if they had to sell or discontinue Photoshop though.They will. MSPaint ftw.
>>108049014Yes can you give a comparison so I can get tribal about it?
>>108049144You should kys
>>108049473The milkman is my favourite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8u6M2vOi38
>>108049473>>108056495I liked Burnt Face Manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p42Nf_M_Rso
>>108056520https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PonYtJo3YaA
The foundry are worseDevelopment pace actually worse than AdobeActually try and get individual users fired and blackballed from the industry for piracyActual malware tier phoning home
>>108049720You sure showed them, anon
>>108049004As much as I hate Adobe, I don't see anything wrong with this.They're not locking him out of the program or anything, so unless there are critical bugs in the current version, what's the big deal?
>>108049004never trust proprietary garbage
>>108049004No. OpenAI is.
>>108051234>Every animation studios current pre production and production is now up in smoke because of thisLmao no its not. Everyone uses toonboom harmony, CSP, or tvpaint. No one using it anymore is the actual reason their dropping it, not AI.
>>108049004>salad fingersholy shit is it 2004 again? that guy is still making salad fingers animations?
>>108052494Hell yeah brotherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=973fiFaSXqw
>solves all your problems
>>108049004Dreamweaver is stuck on the 2021 version and didn’t even get a message.
>>108059922Flash for ants?
>>108049004Intuit gives them a run for their money, but they're down there.
FRENCH ARE DICKS AND FOUL AT FOOTBALSLS
>>108049004no, normies are slaves who need a masters permission to use software. They are interdependent on big capitalist tech companies just to create and edit media on a computer.>>108049564yes they are inter-locked to giant corporaitons.I admit stocksand demands can pressure Adobe to change their mind as seen in this case, but that isn't freedom when you have to depend on big tech to do everything.>>108051568Mostly agree, its far better then anything FOSS but you need to convert its format to a modern file. also its illegal to pirate>>108051790if you legally purchased CS you are fine, that article about Adobe threatening of suing people was about 2017 CC not CS.
and regarding Adobe's interdepencencyhow is this a free market if all design/graphics small buisnesses are interdependent on big tech just to function? They aren't competing or mutually interacting with each other to grow/profit, but rather they are all in line following big techs rules, which are essentially restrictions/regulations
>>108061973Does this mean they lost that much after the announcement before pulling back?
>>108062099NTA but found this
>>108062099https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NASDAQ/ADBE/news/go down past the blue box of textyou'll see the posted news entriesthat gives you a estimated timeline of 48 HOURS AGO when they said "we're gonna retire this program">you only need to read the headlines and timestampsnow they doing damage control all over the placehttps://old.reddit.com/r/adobeanimate/comments/1qv5yju/updates_on_the_status_of_adobe_animate/
>>108049004I don't get what the issue is. Isn't it trivial to pirate Adobe shit? Why would anyone be concerned about it being discontinued?
>>108062197go search for "adobe animate shows" and come back with your question again
Oracle should sell Adobe to Apple.
>>108051904Magnet for this and Office?
>>108062213If it's only the American animation industry, that goes belly up, nothing was lost.Still a retarded move for Adobe.
>>108062484>If it's only the American animation industryIt clearly wasn't, that list is just notable examplesAt least 60% to 70% of all modern 2D animation relies on Animate
>>108060940This was David's Magnum Opus
>you may continue to use animate but there will be no technical supportat least they are not trying to just pull the plug and render unusable just for shits and giggles, sounds like something a cancerous company like adobe would do.
>>108049144This is the precise opposite of the truth. Sovereign states can do whatever they please, private corporations can do whatever the relevant governments choose to permit.
>>108060940>FRENCH ARE DICKS AND FOUL AT FOOTBALSLSYes, true, but they're still much better than Adobe.
>>108062213Okay, I looked at the list. I still don't see what's stopping people from pirating it?
It amazes me how many people who's livelihood relies on one program, are more than happy to use a subscription service based system.Pirate every program you actually need you fucking retards.
>>108049004It's been like 30 years, why isn't there a proper open source Adobe Creative Suite?
>noooo I'm a professional artist, I have to own a $5500 Macbook Pro with upgraded RAM and SSD plus over $500 a month in software subscriptions! It's not wasting money, it's a work expense! It makes me money (I got paid a whole $300 in patreon commissions last month). I neeeed it! You're just an unemployed freetard who doesn't understand the needs of artists!
>>108064039anon your meme is out of date, you can't upgrade the ram or storage in a macbook "pro"
>>108049144If you are as important to global supply chain as Adobe, Microsoft, Google or Amazon are, you should not be able to do whatever you please. Luckily piracy exists though.>>108049496Most Adobe programs have no decent alternatives
>>108061341That's why Adobe, along with other big tech companies, should be dealt with more seriously, and more bluntly, than regular companies. If the entire world is heavily dependent on your software, you should not be able to do whatever you want, because the market is no longer actually free. Most of us (including myself) simply workaround it by pirating Photoshop and other adobe software, but people who are willing to pay should be able to buy the product without enfranchising their dignity.
>>108049653Flash would have died with or without Steve Jobs.
>>108049004What's the closest FOSS alternative to it?
