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if you don't have proper autocomplete in your shell, you're missing out

>>108063379
I don't use terminals.

>>108063435
oOoOoO white letters on black background oOoOooOo spoooooky oOoooOoO

>>108063379
It's 2026, get with the times. I use ChatGPT CLI to vibe code my ffmpeg conversions with 1000 word essays as a prompt now.

>>108063485
>Not using Gemini or Claude instead
lol

Reposting from last thread:
What's the best note taking plugin for neovim (lazy)? Stuff like vimwiki, kiwi.nvim and the like.

>>108063475
oOoOoOoO my operating system isn't fucking dog shit OoOoOoOoO it just werks oOoOoOoOoO spooky oOoOoOoO

>>108063515
Writing a line or two into journalctl isn't an effective reminder. I'm not going to look there.
I'm thinking KDE has to be involved because how else are you going to reliably get a notification? You could put it in the shell greeting but there's no guarantee you open a new shell on a particular day

>>108063534
>it just werks
exactly, it just werks and does nothing else ;)

>>108063379
fish?

>>108063547
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Desktop_notifications

>>108063554
Wat.

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>>108063564
are you inviting me for dinner?

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>>108063435
good, terminals are only for the White man

Some of the animations on my KDE Plasma seem sluggish. And I think some programs also are. It feels like I have a tiny latency when writing in Doom Emacs and the scrolling in Sublime Text seems sluggish. And native Dota 2 just seems like it struggles to load. I've even gotten some abandons because the game won't load the game map on time when match is ready. I have no idea how to troubleshoot this as I think it has something to do with GTK or whatever those things are and however they're called. So, does anyone know how to check what the problem is and how to fix it?
Using Arch with a RTX 4070, drivers and all that jazz has been set up properly as I was using Hyprland for months before this, and everything was smooth.

>>108063584
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Desktop_notifications
I tried notify-send and it popped up a message for 5 seconds which then disappeared with no trace anywhere. Kind of a weak reminder. I guess I'll conclude that this isn't possible to do in a reasonable way

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How can they release an operating system that doesn't even have an image viewer and doesn't let you open apps like gufw?

>>108063597
If you look in a dress, sure.

>>108063643
You have to set the urgency hint otherwise it'll timeout:

notify-send --urgency=critical stay

>>108063634
>I think it has something to do with GTK
GTK is a GUI framework for widows and sheit, as far as i understand it shouldnt matter
i wonder of you are having some weird storage issues
>>108063643
brother
before using CLI tools or making conclusions about them maybe pass the --help flag or read the man page
if you've done that then maybe you wouldve noticed that you can change the time out or make it so that you need to close it yourself
>>108063646
images are bloat
i extract RGB data and read it

>>108063646
Cosmic is still in beta, they only released it because even in its beta state it's still better than GNOME in many ways.

>>108063692
tbf it's not clear from --help that you need to set urgency to critical for it to stay, but fair. A reminder isn't critical but whatever. I thought --wait might do that but it just blocks the process until the message leaves on its own.

So I guess the approach would be
>make a systemd timer at the user level
>it turns rem -h and checks if the output is empty (I don't want "No reminders." popups every day lol)
>if not empty run notify-send
I was kind of hoping for something less jank but oh well

>>108063731
sometimes the best shit is jank
ive seen an entire distribution glued together by shell scripts
and oh boy is that shit hackable
fixed missing two features in like 15 min each by just looking through the scripts and checking what calls what
dont even need documentation lmao

>>108063731
>tbf it's not clear from --help that you need to set urgency to critical for it to stay, but fair.
It's deliberately ambiguous because notify-send can't know that. Its implementation specific whether or not your desktop decides to wait/timeout or not. Different notification daemons may simply always stack notifications and never time them out.

>>108063772
Yeah, I guess it's an interop/standardization problem.
I was surprised to learn that notifications vanish completely if missed though. Like the KDE notifications tray icon just says "no unread notifications", with no apparent way to show the read notifications. For all I know something could tell me "your ssd is failing", if I'm away from the pc for 5 seconds there would be no trace of it. I guess that's why urgency=critical exists, but it would make more sense to leave an unobtrusive tray icon until you dismiss it.
Weirdly the ancient graybeard method would probably be cleaner
>put rem -h in crontab
>if it has non-empty output it automatically gets mailed to you
>next time you open a terminal you get told you have mail

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>>108063866
It _does_ keep them in the history but low-priority notifications (which is all of them apart from critical notifications because "normal" priority doesn't mean "normal" priority it means "I'm a retarded dev who forgot to assign an urgency hint to this therefore it doesn't matter").

You can change it in the settings though to always keep history for everything.

I've been using the love2d framework and it did work fine on my arch linux rig, but suddenly I'm experiencing the following error:
>Unable to create OpenGL window
>This program requires a graphics card and video drivers which support OpenGL 2.1 or OpenGL ES 2.
>SDL window creation error: Couldn't find matching GLX visual

this issue might have occured after upgrading my nvidia drivers. Issue is, when I try to downgrade, it forces my screen at a very low resolution, and 60hz, even though my screen has 100.
Has anybody experienced this issue aswell?

Hello /fglt/ I am very ignorant about Linux and I have a question that would probably fit better in the Stupid Questions thread so please bear with me a little:
I installed Linux Mint 22.3 earlier this week, and I also installed Steam (using the Software Manager)
Now, whenever I start downloading a game, Steam asks me if I want to save it to (/) which is apparently the name of my drive. Is that normal? I thought / was like, the name of the folder where all the OS files and shit are.
The actual, full location where the games are saved in is /home/user/.steam/debian-installation/steamapps/common so I assume it's not actually saving them in the same folder as OS components, I was just a bit weirded out by the drive name I guess.

Does the nvidia gpu driver not work well with qemu for 3d acceleration? I can't enable virtio 3d acceleration but it works with the igpu fine if I switch.

>>108064206
Steam calling the drive / is a slight Windowsism, but technically it's correct because the root directory of your operating system is /, and all other partitions are mounted somewhere under / (typically as folders under /mnt or /media). Steam games by default are indeed installed under your Steam Library folder in ~/.steam, so you don't have to worry about permissions or competing with OS components. Anyway you're probably going to uninstall Mint a week from now, so you may as well start looking into Plasma distros today.

>>108064324
>Steam calling the drive / is a slight Windowsism, but technically it's correct because the root directory of your operating system is /, and all other partitions are mounted somewhere under /
I see. Yeah, that makes sense, thanks m8
>Anyway you're probably going to uninstall Mint a week from now, so you may as well start looking into Plasma distros today.
I -am- curious about KDE because it looks very sleek and apparently it's very customizable, that's very appealing to me.
What's wrong with Mint though? So far it's been pretty retard friendly which is a big plus for me.

>>108063435
You should, it get things done a lot easier.

I'm trying to learn more about operating system functions on a very low level. Do you guys have any recs for info about low level linux stuff, like how the kernel actually works, memory handling, etc?

>>108064357
>Mint users keep getting GNOMEd
Mint keeps installing GNOME on people's computers because at some point Mint started automatically installing packages' optional dependencies. Did they audit the entire Ubuntu repo to check if whole desktop environments were marked as optional dependencies of certain packages? No.
>Doesn't work with modern monitors
Forget about HDR and VRR, and if you have multiple monitors where the refresh rates are not divisible by each other, it's gonna be fucked
>The file explorer is horrid
You can't right-click hard drives, and typing inside of a folder pulls up a text field instead of just highlighting the file that corresponds to your keypresses
>The UX is still fragmented
You still can't install updates (aka manage software) using the so-called Software Manager, which merely installs software; you have to go through a separate updating app
>Pressing update in the updater app still does not bring your computer up-to-date
Once the next version of Mint comes out, you still need to manually change your sources to the next point release. There's countless people who simply don't know to do this and have been stuck on ancient versions of Mint for years
>You still need to manually change your apt mirrors
Mint by default does not choose the fastest mirrors based on your connection (something every normal distro has done for years), so unless you know to do this, you'll be downloading Mint's Frankenstein repo from mixed UK and US mirrors
>No RAM compression
Linux and Windows have had this for years but Mint doesn't for some reason
>Can't just double-click AppImages
AppImages are basically just Linux's equivalent to portable apps on Windows. but on Mint it's not enough to just double click them in your file explorer to run them; you have to manually set up EACH .AppImage to have executable permissions.
>Older kernels
It is always in the interest of a gamer to use the latest kernel.

>>108064416
>I'm trying to learn more about operating system functions on a very low level.
https://wiki.osdev.org/Expanded_Main_Page

>Do you guys have any recs for info about low level linux stuff, like how the kernel actually works, memory handling, etc?
https://docs.kernel.org/

>>108064488
>Did they audit the entire Ubuntu repo to check if whole desktop environments were marked as optional dependencies of certain packages? No.
To be fair to Mint they shouldn't have to. This is clearly a bug on the Ubuntu maintainers side. If I were on Kubuntu would I expect the entire GNOME desktop environment to be pulled in because I installed some random app? No, no I wouldn't. Applications generally should not depend on entire desktop environments to function.

If you install a KDE app for example it will pull in a lot of KDE Frameworks but never the entire Plasma desktop.

>>108064527
>This is clearly a bug on the Ubuntu maintainers side
It's not a bug on Ubuntu or Debian, because Ubuntu and Debian only install optional dependencies with the user's consent; Mint just forces their installation.

>>108064536
The point is they shouldn't be an optional dependency. Applications shouldn't optionally depend on a desktop environment. That makes zero sense.

>>108064541
If the application has certain DE integrations, why shouldn't they be able to recommend a DE? This is literally only a problem on Mint.

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>>108064357
Listen to >>108064488
Mint is a meme.
Install Debian instead if you want a nice stable linux distro that people actually respect.
Its also pretty retard friendly, you can just pick KDE in the installer if that is the environment you want.
Updating and managing packages is super easy, it even comes with a little App Store that you can download programs from if you dont want to use the scary terminal.
Though, you should learn how to use the terminal, its pretty easy and makes doing stuff WAY faster than the GUI once you learn it.

>>108064488
Let's not forget that the software in Mint is so old that it's actively more difficult to use. The version of Gimp in Mint is from fucking 2018 (GIMP 3 came out last year)

>>108064548
It's a problem because you could end up installing three completely different desktop environments that way.

Ideally Apt should have conditional dependencies that can express "If I have the GNOME desktop environment installed then recommend the GNOME integration" but APT is a pile of shit so it can't do that.

>>108064562
>you could end up installing three completely different desktop environments that way
That would only, and I mean ONLY happen on Ubuntu or Debian if you explicitly type

apt install --install-suggests package-name

. Mint however forces the installation of suggests.

>>108064550
debian is great and i have it on basically every machine i own, but it's definitely less noob friendly than mint
it doesn't have a firewall set up out of the box (tho it's easy to do with ufw), it doesn't have zram/zswap set up out of the box (more complex to setup, not hard but not noob friendly), enabling backports requires editing conf files, etc

>>108064574
It's still an Apt issue though because you should be able to do this and satisfy the dependency without having the entire desktop installed. Fedora's Dnf for example doesn't have this problem. They have a way to express weak dependencies.

>>108064488
Most of these (the ones I understand anyway) are a non-issue for me because I only have a single monitor, an old CPU and GPU and no interest in modern games.
This one
>No RAM compression
Sounds important but I don't know what it is.
What is RAM compression and how does it affect me?
Like I said, I am interested in KDE and I considered Fedora before installing Mint. It's not out of the question for me to try that one out too.

>>108064550
Won't Debian also have older versions of the Linux kernel and software in general?
How is it for gaming?
Everything I've tried playing on Mint so far works very well.

>>108064550
>Though, you should learn how to use the terminal
You really don't have to in 2026 Linux, not even on Debian. At this point does Debian (the KDE edition anyway) even qualify as a DIY distro anymore?
>>108064577
>What is RAM compression and how does it affect me?
It uses a compression algorithm on your RAM so that you use less RAM. Since you have a modest setup this is pretty much indispensable for you.

>>108064577
>Won't Debian also have older versions of the Linux kernel and software in general?
Not really. Debian 13 just came out a few months ago. I've been using it since launch, used Debian 12 before too, and its been very nice.
>How is it for gaming?
Gaming has been fine. Debian is a point-release distro meaning that it gets updates/releases at certain POINTS.
This is compared to something like Arch which has a rolling release meaning it gets new updates ASAP
However, the thing about Debian though is that even though it has a point release schedule, it actually makes an exception for GPU drivers.
It doesn't get them as fast as Arch, but GPU drivers usually come after a few weeks to make sure they're stable.

>>108064596
>Debian (the KDE edition anyway
i'm >>108064575
i wouldn't use kde on debian, seems like there are lots of issues with it. of course your mileage may vary. just my 2cents.

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>>108064522
I greatly appreciate it, thank you.

>>108064577
>Won't Debian also have older versions of the Linux kernel and software in general?
Debian 13's software is massively newer than the Ubuntu 24.04 LTS base Mint uses. And while there is a Linux Mint Debian Edition, it's only available in one desktop environment (Cinnamon) and is pretty much identical to Debian 13 Cinnamon aside from the default wallpaper. There's no reason to use LMDE (or Debian Cinnamon) over Debian KDE.

>>108064626
>i wouldn't use kde on debian, seems like there are lots of issues with it
Debian KDE is great if installed from the Live ISO, but yes the netinstall can be unreliable.

>>108064643
>>108064619
Well then, sounds like Debian is at least worth checking out. Thanks for the input

>>108064596
>It uses a compression algorithm on your RAM so that you use less RAM. Since you have a modest setup this is pretty much indispensable for you.
OK yeah that's a pretty big deal...

any fix for when i turn my monitors off (dpms off, arch) my cpu goes from 8w to 12w idle?

Is it just me or have these threads been moving faster lately? I'm noticing there's like a new /fglt/ every 2 days, which wasn't the case before.

>>108064827
Check your CPU governor:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CPU_frequency_scaling

>>108064827
Check your CPU, guv'nah

>>108065218
Lot of people getting into Linux I guess

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How's the situation with program compatibility on asahi linux these days? I tried it out a year ago and using Linux on a laptop with Apple build quality was great, but a ton of programs simply weren't available.

>install mpv for the first time since I'm on lubuntu so I might as well
>drag and drop a youtube url into mpv
>thinks for a second then immediately crashes
oh shit what did I do

>>108065512
You need to install yt-dlp as well to get mpv to play web videos.

>>108065519
I see. Is there any way to be able to copy and paste links as opposed to dragging and dropping them?

>>108065627
You can just run mpv through a terminal and add the link as a thing for it to run.

Anyone know how often

nvidia-driver

gets updated on Debian? I truly do not want to stay on the 550 driver long-term.

>>108066058
probably not until debian 14 i saw people talk about using the cuda repo for a newer driver but its not something i have tried myself

>>108063341
how do I delete/limit excess logs on debian?

>>108064643
>Debian 13's software is massively newer than the Ubuntu 24.04 LTS base Mint uses.
And this will change in less than 6 months. After which Ubuntu 26 LTS and Mint will be more up to date for the next 18 months.
Both Debian and Mint/Ubuntu LTS are retarded options if you want latest software and drivers anyway.
So, >>108064577 if having access to recently released drivers and software is important then the only good options are Arch, Fedora or any distro based on those two.

>>108066058
Even the experimental is a variant of 550, so it's going to be a while. You're using backports?

Is claude or chatgpt better to learn linux and customize it for my needs?

>>108066572
Gemini and Claude usually beat ChatGPT these days. Hell even Grok beats ChatGPT.

>>108063646
>GNOME
:-|
>GNOME, but in Rust
:-O

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hmm what does this mean? According to Google it is ogre but the SSD is working just fine, I only ran the test out of curiosity.

>>108063379
Is that zsh?

>>108063706
Gnome is shit but at least gnome doesn't have memory leaks.

>>108064357
Dont worry about it too much if mint is working for you. You might eventually grow out of it or you may never.

For niggas that are searching for universal WIFI 7 cards (not platform locked Intel shit), these two should work on any modern kernel:

MSI Herald-BE WI-FI 7 (MT7925)
UGREEN WiFi 7 BE6500 PCIe (Qualcomm NCM865) 

Also for USB but only WIFI6E this one should work:

 BrosTrend AXE3000 

>>108066303
I wouldnt really recommend arch to a new user. Fedora's only weakness is rpmfusion and sometimes the dumb decisions they make with packages like the wget wget2 thing.

>>108066756
I fucked up on the PCI-e chipsets the MSI one uses Qualcomm and the UGREEN uses MediaTek

>>108066756
Why should i care about wifi 7?
>t. wired lan user

>>108066303
>And this will change in less than 6 months
In about 2 and a half months, yes. But why spend 2 and a half months using the older LTS base when you can just use Debian today? Debian 13 has been out for 6 months already and the packages in the Ubuntu Resolute repo (which is what Ubuntu 26.04 LTS will use) are not that much newer than what's currently in Debian. Most importantly, it always takes the Mint Team 3 months to transition Mint over whenever a new Ubuntu LTS release comes out. So by the time Mint adopts 26.04, Debian will have had newer software for 11 months, and this will again be the case when Debian 14 comes out while Mint users are stuck waiting for the 28.04 base.

>>108064488
>Once the next version of Mint comes out, you still need to manually change your sources to the next point release.
No you don't you just run mintupgrader pr w/e its called.
>You still can't install updates (aka manage software) using the so-called Software Manager, which merely installs software; you have to go through a separate updating app
I don't see the issue with this, same as windows
>typing inside of a folder pulls up a text field
i like this feature though and find it useful. The gtk filepicker also does it.
>Mint keeps installing GNOME on people's computers
Never seen this happen
>It is always in the interest of a gamer to use the latest kernel.
Not really. >t. linux-lts user on arch

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>>108066727
it's fish

>>108066890
>you just run mintupgrader
Having to run that (and knowing to run that) IS manually changing your sources. Discover on the other hand automatically detects if a new Ubuntu distro release exists and changes the sources for you.
>I don't see the issue with this, same as windows
The problem is that we're using Linux in the first place because Windows sucks. Discover, GNOME Software, and pamac all do a better job than Windows; why can't Mint's Software Manager?
>i like this feature though and find it useful
Windows users by-and-large won't.

>>108066816
To simplify:
>Debian has a two-year release cycle
>For the first half, Debian will be years ahead of Mint in package newness
>For the second half, Mint's packages will be slightly newer (a few months newer)
Being slightly ahead of Debian for a year isn't worth that first half of being massively behind Debian.

>>108066917
>rust
Yeah nah I am good

>>108065627
i have a global keybind to open the contents of the clipboard with mpv by pressing win+a. i initially used win+m but someone else was using "a" for a good reason so i took that idea, that is that "a" is the shortcut to the "copy link loc_ation" option in the firefox context menu for links, so i can right click on a youtube link and quickly hit "a, win+a" to open it in mpv

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>We'll live to see the death of Debian
Good riddance kek

Is it easy to build an OpenSUSE Leap 16 Live ISO? There's none officially available.

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>>108067069
>start using Linux in 1999
>pick between Debian and Red Hat as there are no other relevant distributions
>ff to current year
>use Arch
I've been neckbearding way too long. What's even the current year preferred point release distribution for normies/noobs?
>inb4 Mint
But that's just Ubuntu or Debian. Anything else?
>inb4 Fedora
Release cycle is too frequent. Anything longer?
>>108066772
New = better.
>>108066756
How's the access point support? Got picrel only to find out the 5GHz AP support is only for Wi-Fi 4, or 802.11n. Specifically want 5GHz.

>>108067179
>How's the access point support? Got picrel only to find out the 5GHz AP support is only for Wi-Fi 4, or 802.11n. Specifically want 5GHz.
I know for sure that the MT7925 supports 6GHz and 5GHz AP mode.
Don't know about the Qualcomm one.
The USB one uses the MT7921au so maybe it also supports 5 and 6GHz AP mode.

>>108066582
So Claude?

>>108066922
>Having to run that (and knowing to run that) IS manually changing your sources.
It does the job for you though.
>The problem is that we're using Linux in the first place because Windows sucks.
Windows sucks because of all the bloat and spyware not because the updater and software center are separated.
>Windows users by-and-large won't.
Doubt the average windows user would care.

>>108067069
This is what happens when politics takes over and you start harassing and bullying anyone who doesn't fall in line until they leave or get kicked out. They brought this on themselves. Too bad all those community members who spearheaded all of this are useless and dont actually contribute anything.
>What's even the current year preferred point release distribution for normies/noobs?
Literally just ubuntu/mint/debian if you think Fedora is too frequent.

Forgot to quote >>108067179 in >>108067436

CPU: 7950X3D.
GPU: 4090FE.
Lian Li UNI AL120 V2 fans.

Over the last few days I have been looking for programs that give me control over things like windows does. I want to fully move away from Windows 11.

Lian Li L-Connect 3 doesn't support linux but I found people who made their own program that do support Lian Li fans but one does not support my fans or hub. So, I found one called Ll-connect and while it shows that it does support my fans, I can't seem to install it. I tried cloning the get, and installing it but it failed. Any suggestions?
https://www.reddit.com/r/lianli/comments/1e5r7m2/llconnectlinux_lconnect/
https://github.com/Emil224411/Ll-connect

Also, I used Process Lasso on W11. Is "taskset" the best option for this?

I never really needed to use MSI Afterburner for my 4090FE but is there anything that comes close to this for GPUs on arch? tuxunlocker? Greenwithenvy?

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108067533
I never really needed to use MSI Afterburner for my 4090FE, but is there anything that comes close to this for GPUs on Arch? What about TuxUnlocker? Greenwithenvy?

Use LACT

Process Lasso?
Linux doesn't need that.

As for the fan hub situation, I don't know — I just use the headers on my motherboard.

>>108067565
Meant for >>108067533

>>108067533
For optimizing the X3D cache on dual-ccd CPUs take a look at the CachyOS wiki:
https://wiki.cachyos.org/configuration/general_system_tweaks/#amd-3d-v-cache-optimizer

It should work on Arch.

>>108064383
>Click on settings
>Scan my eyes to look at the thing I want
>Click on it
Versus
>Open terminal
>Search the web for what command you need to do a certain thing
>It's all contradictory forum advice telling completely different things, 1/3 of which hasn't worked in 20 years but still gets peddled, another 1/3 of which hasn't been the most efficient method in 20 years but still gets peddled, and another 1/3 is actually helpful
>Read all the documentation
>Memorise all the commands, regular expressions, and syntax
>Eventually figure out what to do
>Method breaks in the next update because the tooling changed

What happened?

2016:
GNOME: 30.4
Xfce: 27.7
Plasma: 18.8

2021:
Plasma: 33.4
GNOME: 27.4
Xfce: 19.7

2026:
Plasma: 38.3
GNOME: 17.1
Xfce: 9.7

Also Plasma had a strange large jump in the past few months. It was at 34%, pretty stable for almost 5 years till the recent jump.

https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Desktop%20Environments/history

>>108067659
GNOME is such a mess that even hardcore GNOMErs are switching to Plasma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0FoC3PHRBs

>>108067659
>27.7
>19.7
>9.7
Mousebros, our response???

>>108067659
>Also Plasma had a strange large jump in the past few months.
Literally the steamdeck made plasma more popular.
That and plasma wayland having more features that people needed compared to gnome.
Also there used to be more distros with XFCE than with plasma back in 2016 compared to now.
I like xfce i hope it manages to bounce back.

>>108067659
>What happened?
Linux became more popular and Windows refugees want a DE that feels like Windows 7-11

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>>108067659
What makes you think usage statistics are a metric?

>>108067725
>I like xfce i hope it manages to bounce back.
As it is now GTK is a dead end. They keep forcing GNOME-isms on everyone else and don't care.

>>108067814
kek

What plugins would you suggest for neovim, if I want to use it to code in python?

Is Pop!_OS a good Distro for a Starter?

>>108067842
If you can stomach the UX sure

>>108067901
stomach the ux? is it so bad?

>>108067814
usecase for users?

>>108067906
It is a GNOME MacOS abortion, if you are coming from Windows just use KDE Plasma.

>>108067925
can you choose KDE Plasma in the install process?

>>108067906
If you are a starter then you are most likely not used to tiling.

>>108067928
I don't think so, you can install it later but the experience will be subpar.

>>108067932
well i will try out the live cd version first

>>108067831
Gnome IS gtk so as long as gnome lives gtk will also live.

Seems like Nobara, Manjaro and CachyOS are also nice for gaming?

>>108068055
Anything is fine for gaming. I've gamed on debian and gentoo. Distro really doesn't matter.

>>108068070
so the best thing is to try everything out on live cd mode?

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>>108068055
If you want something for gaming just go with CachyOS, after install just click on pic related and you are ready to go.

these last 2 threads have been dogshit

>>108068075
Wouldnt recommend live cd mode just install a distro and try it out and if you really don't want to commit to something then try them out in a virtual machine first without the gaming part before choosing.

>>108067659
>Plasma
KDE was an unstable mess between 2012 and 2020. KDE4 was clunky as fuck and early KDE5 was constantly >krashing. It unironically only got good a year before the Steam Deck was released.
>GNOME
I am surprised GNOME was actually that popular in 2016 considering people hated GNOME3 to the point that Unity, Mate, Cinnamon and Budgie were all made in response as "replacements".
>Xfce
Xfce is still stuck in 2010. I bet half it's users don't even want to use it but they themselves are stuck on hardware from 2010. There was also some drama where they moved to gtk3 in 2016/2017 and as a result people claimed it uses much more RAM and became useless as a "low resource usage" DE.

>>108067842
Not really. It's a pointless Ubuntu spin at this point which you'd only use if you wanted their experimental desktop environment. As the other anon said, it's better to just use a distro with KDE Plasma.

>>108068055
They're fine, yes. Gamers generally prefer Arch distros (Cachy, Manjaro) and sometimes Fedora distros (Nobara, Bazzite) because packages/drivers/dependencies are updated faster than Debian/Ubuntu distros. So game compatibility, performance improvements and GPU compatibility all get there first.
Some distros set things up for you out of the box. For example, CachyOS has this utility >>108068085, Nobara and Bazzite include some additional drivers for controllers and handhelds, they often come with Steam, etc.

>>108068075
Not really. A live USB mode often doesn't load in everything you'd have in a real environment and it won't represent the current state of the distro after you'd apply system updates.

>>108067684
It would be really funny if the only thing holding back the linux desktop was actually just gnome all along.

>>108068120
first thanks for the answers. so cachyos seems to be a good choice coming from win 11?

>>108068124
>linux desktop was actually just gnome all along.
Well, GNOME devs are the biggest NACK spammers in the Wayland repos, you could say almost with malicious intent.

>>108068144
It should be fine, yes.

>>108068144
>so cachyos seems to be a good choice coming from win 11?
*with KDE Plasma, yes.

>>108068144
Basically anything with KDE. All the distros you mentioned are fine.

>>108067262
>6GHz access point
>6GHz
That would imply Wi-Fi 6 which sounds way too good to be true, I've had massive disappointments with Wi-Fi adapters.
What are some ways to verify all this Wi-Fi-nonsense?
>>108067436
Damn, guess I recommend Arch to everyone.

>>108068145
Gnome devs (employed by redhat) are also the biggest wayland shills and were responsible for killing xorg to create wayland. So if you think gnome devs have malicious intent then that would apply to wayland as a whole as well.

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>>108067724
I use Plasma but I actually do like Xfce too and would use it over GNOME still.
I remember installing Ubuntu on my laptop as a kid and using Xfce for a while.
>our response???
Plasma and GNOME are pushed way harder these days than Xfce. With all the noobs coming to Linux Xfce isn't usually the first option listed and the Youtubers they watch dont talk about it. To a normie/noob entering Linux today the only real options for D/E are either GNOME, KDE, or Cinnamon.

>>108068237
https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/AP_Mode/Bridged_Wireless_Access_Point.md

AP mode conf for MediaTek 7925:
https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/AP_Mode/hostapd-WiFi7.conf

>>108068243
GNOME was always the thing being pushed. Ubuntu and Fedora still use it by default and Ubuntu possibly still has the supermajority of users. The reason why Plasma is being pushed is because it's finally good and blows everything out of the water.

>>108068243
Yeah i like XFCE as well and prefer it over plasma. I've been trying out plasma but it really just isn't the same as XFCE.
>To a normie/noob entering Linux today the only real options for D/E are either GNOME, KDE, or Cinnamon.
Technically XFCE is also an option since most distros still have an XFCE spin it just doesnt get much exposure anymore.
I don't think cinnamon was ever an option its just mint is popular and cinnamon is their flagship desktop.

>>108068302
Plasma has been fine since like 2020 back in the plasma 5 days its just the steamdeck coming shipped with plasma was what boosted its popularity.

>>108068307
>>108068243
The problem with Xfce is it just looks like shit by default. Mint and Manjaro do a decent job at styling it properly, but someone trying out Xubuntu will look at it and think "the fuck is this 2001 OSX 10 looking interface?" and just hop to a different distro. People moving to Linux nowadays have different UI/UX standards and Xfce fails to meet them. Even GNOME does a better job.

I'm having audio problems on floorp (firefox), it doesn't get audio from my microphone. I get audio output just fine, I can listen to whatever, just no input from the mic. The microphone works on other software (tested on OBS studio).

Hello
Today I was downloading some updates to Linux mint while downloading some shit on steam. Because I was trying to figure out why Code Vein wouldn't work even though it worked before. But steam download failed before it finished claiming I have no space on root after which I tried to verify that claim but noticed all my disks are read only for some reason. So I tried restarting. Now Linux doesn't start properly. I can get into grub but when I tried to run Linux the mint logo appears but after that instead of login screen it goes back to motherboard logo which displays seemingly indefinitely. I can also go into advanced options if that helps, but I have no idea what to do there. I have a habit of never shutting down computer and just using suspend option if that helps. One of the disks I have plugged in still has windows on it in inoperable state. Please help, and please explain like I am retarded, I am a casual user of linux. Please

>>108068725
>all my disks are read only for some reason
Normally when an SSD or any flash memory goes "read only" it means it's fucked. You'll have to live boot from a USB device to troubleshoot what actually happened and see if you can fix it. And if your storage really did break you'll need to buy a new SSD.

>>108068389
The stock default is shit but 100% of people just have it look like vista with the whisker menu including all the distros that have an xfce spin such as xubuntu so the defaults dont matter and have nothing to do with peoples impressions.

>>108068725
Most likely bad software update or bad memory. Did you try selecting the previous kernel from the grub menu? Bring up the console and check journalctl -b for pertinent error messages.

>>108065627
you just can copy paste if you have a clipboard set up i thought? im using uosc skin so might be part of that

>>108068725
Same problem today on my Ubuntu 24.04. There is something seriously broken in Linux Kernel 6.17 my Ubuntu updated to.

I don't have Steam or anything, it just happens with heavy write on disk or "apt update" - then it fails and disk is now "read-only". I thought at first my SSD is dying, but it's only 4 months old. So, for now I resolved this by roll back to kernel 6.14

Fuck Ubuntu.

>>108069131
This is how I solved this.
In grub menu select "advanced", boot in safe mode, run "fsck -fy /dev/sda1" or whatever is your drive called. When it's done press ctrl+alt+del to reboot, then in grub menu select older kernel 6.14. It booted fine on my machine, so I then uninstalled kernel 6.17 and disabled future automatic updates.

>>108063435
>don't use
real programmers use paper tape. there shall be no backspacing

I wish cockpit was good
I don't need 90% of what proxmox offers for my single server setup.

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should I take the niripill?

>>108068237
It actually does, I use my MT7921 USB adapter as a 6GHz AP.

Ive been using Ubuntu as my main for a while. But I don't think I'm leaning Linux. Where do I go from here? Like what are the milestones of learning linux?

>>108069602
>what are the milestones of learning linux?
There are none. You should learn whatever you need or want to learn. Do you think you're missing something? What are you "learning Linux" for? What do you actually want to know?

>>108068807
>>108069028
>>108069131
Thanks for trying to help but I actually just fixed it by asking chatgpt. No boot usb needed but even recovery menu was fucked and I had to go even deeper. I was actually just out of disc space while installing updates, my SSD seems fine. It involved manual f something four letters, manually changing discs to read write because Linux changed them to read only as some safet measure and restoring recovery mode which also didn't work and vacuuming journald to make space later as well as some autocleanups and shit. I still don't fucking understand Linux file system at all but I recommend asking chatgpt. I switched to Linux to avoid copilot ironically

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>asking chatgpt

>>108069761
To be fair it is much faster to troubleshoot issues with an LLM than to wait an hour or a day for someone to reply to you on a random message board.

>>108069540
You don't need a web GUI for your single server setup.

>>108067789
>this
I left when win7 support ended so I'm one of the relics that hopes MATE will get the attention it dESeRvEs. said the relic, who heats his house with ddr3 laptops and desktops...

>>108069800
but I like it

So what is the correct way to watch Anime on Linux?

>>108069866
With mpv or vlc. Pretty much same as every other OS.

>>108069866
>>108069874
In the terminal

>>108069866
Go to a 9anime or wco website, search for the anime, then watch it.

>>108069866
ani-cli

sudo touch little\ boys

>>108069974
>anon is not in the sudoers file.
>This incident has been reported.

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>>108069866
mpv, less is more.

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Guys I cant decide which distro to install.

I want something that
> is PRETTY
> has BROAD SUPPORT
> is common enough it's easy to find and install software, even more esoteric stuff*
> *(ie fifteen years ago when I used ubuntu, it was really easy to install software from small devs cause they would package it as .deb and you could just run those and be done with it)

Bazzite looks interesting, but I worry about the ability (or lack thereof) to tinker with the system a little since it's "immutable". Will I be able to install more esoteric programs from small devs? Or drivers for my ancient graphics tablet? Stuff like that?

Would it be better to just install one of the big ones (fedora, ubuntu whatever) and call it a day?

cheers

>>108070038
CachyOS

>>108070038
Arch, or CachyOS (still Arch) is you want something easy to install.

Can you also make CachyOS rice a bit so it looks really Cute?

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>>108063341
how cucked is Ubuntu?
I've been out of the loop for a while and I remember people disliking them and vaguely remember them doing some kinda scummy stuff
but I need a stable distro for my server
how bad would using it be seeing as Debian and mint don't have any isos that ship without a DE

>>108070093
You can rice it however you want, it is up to you.

Would an Athlon XP 3200+ be able to run something like tinycore? I got 1GB of DDR ram up on this bitch.

>>108070038
Debian or Cachy

>>108070096
>Debian and mint don't have any isos that ship without a DE
there's a debian netinstall. last time i used some 1gb usb for it.

>>108070096
Debian ships with no DE. One selects (or de-selects) the DE during install.

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i have 88 cores.
i'm gonna abuse the shit out of gnumake

>>108070252
I hope you're running Gentoo on that.

Which Program can i use to control Temperatures in a graphic view and see it also in the taskbar?

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Does anyone still run slackware?

Just curious. I feel like they used to be a much bigger deal

>>108070357
KDE Plasma has widgets that can display that.
For controlling it though it's kind of a mixed bag:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fan_speed_control

I don't even think my motherboard even supports fan control on Linux so it's best to set a curve in the BIOS if your system offers that.

>>108070391
https://gitlab.com/coolercontrol/coolercontrol

what about that?

>>108070399
See:
https://docs.coolercontrol.org/hardware-support.html

It's just a GUI so hardware support depends on the drivers. There's generally good support for GPU fan control but controlling the fans of the systems motherboard, etc, is a crapshoot.

Why does it feel like every single working piece of a linux "software" (as in sudo apt install "software" and its dependencies) updates? Constantly. I don't understand because some of these programs are so old and do one specific outdated thing, but they have to be up to date ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Is it because it's not "perfect" since it's free and has more issues than something made by a company? I imagine an answer is "security" but what does this even mean? Wouldn't it be possible to put malevolent code into one of these thousands of updates on the other hand?

And why do people freak out about abandoned projects? Can really nothing ever just be considered done? Is it again just a security thing? I've grown curious about this because apparently X11 is "abandoned", XLibre is some kind of culture warrior coded thing and wayland sucks fucking ass and is worse than X11 in every way. I just wanna use X11.

I keep getting some fucking warning from samba about an "includes" parameter but I can't figure out where this piece of shit is
>Feb 4 19:55:58 smbd[1365]: Unknown parameter encountered: "includes"
There is no "includes" in my conf

>>108070715
>Is it because it's not "perfect"
Yes, that's exactly it, even with old software there are still things to do like modernising the build system, updating it for newer compiler versions, etc. Boring stuff that doesn't really affect the functionality of the software but still important.

>>108070715
because a typical linux system is composed of thousands of independent moving parts, developed by different people, with different priorities and release schedules. something like windows relies entirely on stuff developed microsoft and they have a unified release schedule because of their monolithic approach

>>108070715
Just go check the changelogs. They can be performance or feature updates like raytracing support on non RT hardware

>>108070715
>because apparently X11 is "abandoned
Pick it up and revive it then

>>108070855
Isn't the whole drama that all these linux people want it to stay dead? I genuinely don't know but obviously I'm too stupid to "revive" it anyhow

>>108070096
>but I need a stable distro for my server
That is LITERALLY what Debian is for.
>Debian and mint don't have any isos that ship without a DE
Debian 13 has the option for no DE. You pick if you want a DE or not during the install.

>>108071024
>Debian 13 has the option for no DE. You pick if you want a DE or not during the install.
Only if you use the netinstall

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I installed linux, now what? Do I start winning?

After months of youtube and people telling me to switch to linux, I did.

I guess the only thing left is downloading games which I'm doing now.

All AMD so it should just werk.

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Linux Noob here. I don't know what distro to pick.
For the past few days I've been really going back and fourth between Arch and Debian.
I know everyone has their opinions, but it feels like I keep hearing conflicting ones.
I had settled on Debian originally for its ease of install, stability, and I heard that its point release schedule makes exceptions for GPU Drivers so it gets new GPU drivers only a few weeks after Arch.
But now I'm thinking that I should go with Arch because I care about gaming and keeping my system updated.
I just dont want to wake up one day and see a new update has broken something.
I'm not tech illiterate, I do Mechanical Engineering and CS, I've installed Arch before to test it out and I'm sure there are resources and forums that can help me if something breaks.
But I'm thinking I would rather just have a stable introduction to Linux and think about switching to Arch in a few months to a year.

>>108071074
now you jerk off to tranny porn you degenerate freak.

6.19 doko?

>>108071078
Instead of trying out distros, try out desktop environments. Once you've settled on which you like the best, search for a generalist, mainstream distro that offer said environment and with the "freshness" of software you want
While I do advise any newcomer to stick to fedora/ubuntu, I've been using arch for years and even though it broke sometimes, it was never not my fault imo, so take it as will. When it breaks upstream, usually manifesting by pacman refusing to update, they warn on their home page

>>108071078
>I heard that its point release schedule makes exceptions for GPU Drivers so it gets new GPU drivers only a few weeks after Arch
Nah. Debian uses the 550 NVIDIA driver which is from 2024 lol

>>108071074
>Do I start winning?
>start
Anon... you have already won.

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>>108071169
>Debian uses the 550 NVIDIA driver which is from 2024 lol
That doesn't matter to me since I switched to AMD years ago (because I knew I wanted to move to Linux years ago)
As far as I've heard, AMD Drivers are up-to-date on Linux and are supplied directly from AMD.
Down with nShitia.

>>108071161
That is good to know. I will keep that in mind. I will definitely be using Arch in the future, just trying to get my feet wet and for some reason Debian really calls me to. I dont want to install something like Cachy or Bazzite or whatever. Just want a regular distro that I can do with as I please. I know you will say to install Arch then lol, I will eventually.

>>108071257
you can do whatever you want in cachy
it's not immutable

>>108071257
gentoo

>>108071257
>AMD Drivers are up-to-date on Linux and are supplied directly from AMD.
The kernel and Mesa packages on Debian are kinda old (2024 and May 2025 respectively) but you can get semi recent packages through the Debian backports repo.

>>108067659
>xfce
nobody wants to use the dogshit that is x11 now that Wayland is ready
>gnome
dogshit DE that makes macOS look powerful in comparison
>plasma
the only usable DE with support for modern features

Is KDE being prone to crashes a fact or a meme?

taking the tiling window manager pill bwos

>>108071078
>I just dont want to wake up one day and see a new update has broken something
this doesn't happen especially if you glance at the homepage before updating the packages
it's repeated ad nauseam that arch isn't stable by definition because it's fresh but that has nothing to do with how reliable it is
you are more likely to break Ubuntu than arch these days
and even if you do break it, recovery is trivial

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>>108071544
It's a meme pushed by an Indian LXDE user. Just tell him to post beef whenever you see him; he's never posted beef after all this time.

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>>108071215
It seems to work fine for gayming, Had no issues yet and freesync works.

I'll be testing more games

>>108071548
No thanks, I'm not transgender, nor am I on any sort of medication, nor are my parents divorced.

>>108071553
>especially if you glance at the homepage before updating the packages
Nobody wants to do that shit. People just want to click on the update notification in their taskbar and have confidence it won't break.

>>108071544
Some components in Plasma are buggy and can crash like their shitty FTP implementation in Dolphin but plasma overall is fairly robust because of how it delegates shit to K workers or whatever they're called so if one thing crashes it won't kill your entire environment unlike for example Gnome because footfags think it's good design to just kill the entire session if one thing misbehaves
as of current year, I'd say that NO, plasma is not prone to crashes

>>108071554
kek
It's fascinating how many things across all boards have dedicated schizos shitposting about them.

>>108071577
Nice, good to know.
What particular distro(s) would you recommend to get a good Plasma experience?

>>108071577
I've had plasma's toolbar crash once but it came right back and nothing else broke so they're doing something right. I had windows explorer crash more often than that while using windows 11, and the worst part when that happens is that I lose all my explorer tabs. I never lost dolphin tabs that way at least.

>>108071567
Ok then don't fucking use arch and install a point release distro. It's not rocket science.
My point is that worrying about arch randomly breaking on an update is just paranoia and the system is reliable for everyday use. Not necessarily for production but if that's your use case pick a different system.

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>>108071558
CS2 at max settings 4X MSAA 1080p.

I would upgrade to 4K but AMD has no 5090 competitor so when they do that I'll move from 1080p 24"

>>108071627
>Ok then don't fucking use arch
Right, but I'm saying you need to read the room instead of telling people "BRO JUST CHECK THE HOMEPAGE BEFORE DOING UPDATES" as if that's not a dealbreaker to 99% of people.

>>108071610
Fedora KDE. It's not a spin but an official version equal in standing to Fedora Workstation.
You can't go wrong with Arch either and Plasma is quite popular on it.

Pulse audio can't recognize my microphone. "pactl list sources" gives, among other things, the following ports:

Ports:
        analog-input-internal-mic: Internal Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 8900, not available)
        analog-input-dock-mic: Dock Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 7800, not available)
        analog-input-mic: Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 8700, available)
    Active Port: analog-input-mic

The mic should be on analog-input-dock-mic. When trying the GUI pavucontrol, that's the input corresponding to me tapping on the mic. The others either pick up sounds all the time, max input (the case for analog-input-mic, which I think also picks up on desktop sound, but it's hard to tell since it's always picking up something) or don't pick up anything at all, at any time (analogi-input-internal-mic).
Or all of this is working as intended. I'm really just trying to get the bloody mic to work on floorp here, that doesn't work at all and it's the real problem I'm trying to fix here.

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>>108071647
>You can't go wrong with Arch either
If you're going to use Plasma then there is literally no reason to use vanilla Arch instead of an Arch-based distro. And you can definitely go wrong with Arch:

>>108071638
The guy I replied to specifically wants to use Arch to get access to fresh packages but is worried the system will just an hero itself because the definition of 'stable' is different in computing compares to real life where it just means reliable.
If checking a webpage once a week is a dealbreaker for him then he has no business using a rolling distro in the first place. There are better options for his use case.

>>108071679
>The guy I replied to specifically wants to use Arch to get access to fresh packages but is worried the system will just an hero itself
Then Fedora is for him

>>108071647
>>108071672
I am borderline retarded so Fedora definitely sounds like the better choice here, thanks for the answers.

There's literally nothing wrong with Fedora.

sudo touch little\ girls\ inappropriately

I installed Debian 13 with Gnome on a shitty laptop which I decided to use as a writing tool. I have been pleasantly surprised by Gnome and I appreciate the intended workflow. Great stability too.

On the other hand, KDE Plasma has been an unstable mess on every distro I have tried it with.

>>108071686
Yes, use Fedora. You mentioned arch and Debian so I focused on that but if you're open to other distros then Fedora would be a better choice than arch in your case.

>>108071738
Oh, sorry, I realize that asking my question in the middle of that conversation makes it sound like I was that other guy talking about Arch. I'm not, I just wanted to ask about KDE specifically.

>>108071704
if you send

 -Allah 

flag to ls it will show you more detailed info, that is because Allah is knowledge!

>>108072066
i believe that is the

 -kosher 

or the

 -epstein 

flag.

>>108072080
The

--kosher

flag runs the command every 15 minutes automatically for Shabbat.

>>108071707
Out of curiosity, which distros did you try KDE Plasma with and what did they fuck up?

>>108069562
That's only for PCIe right? Too bad my router PC already has its only slot taken by an Ethernet card.
>>108068273

# band 1 (2.4 GHz)
#channel=6
# band 2 (5 GHz)
#channel=36
# band 4 (6 GHz)
channel=69

Ha! Automatic channel selection never works.
And I just so happen to use 36 for my 5GHz N access point. Is that like an universal bug that you got to use that specific channel or the thing fails?

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>>108070096
>"stability means server"
No, not really. How complex is the server? Package stability is needed when you got a development platform or some other highly complex system that's bound to break, be that a server or a desktop.
Just saying you shouldn't unnecessarily limit your distro choices as a simple just-works system tolerates updooting no problem. My Arch server's been serving Goatse pic for years no problem.
>>108070157
>"what Linux do I use for this super old PC?"
Posted this tip before: use Gentoo to develop a system for that specific setup. Compile the system using your better hardware and then transfer it over.

>>108071638
Nobody who uses or wants to use Arch is too retarded to read ahead before updating.
Braindead distros like Mint exist for people who want nothing more than to click a button for updates and free dopamine, and those people should stay in Windows so they may be treated like the tech illiterate tards they are.

>>108070252
>>108070313
Not enough RAM for compiling with 88 threads.
>>108070389
As far as I remember Slackware was always a meme. And they make it insanely difficult to install even for neckbeards, like where's the root filesystem tarball?
t. first used Linux in 2000

>>108072275
>Not enough RAM for compiling with 88 threads.
With 68 giga of swap maybe you do. It depends on what you're building though. Something like Chromium with massive object files may leave you struggling for RAM, yeah. Other programs will compile and link fine though because their object files are tiny so it's not an issue.

>>108072330
You can also tweak LDFLAGS so the compilation uses loads of threads but the linking stage uses less. It's usually the linking that's the issue that causes you to run out of RAM.

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Does anyone know what could be causing this visual artefacting? It appears differently over different UI elements and windows after I wake my computer from deep sleep (i.e. the sleep where the fans stop spinning). It disappears over many windows when I move them about, resize them, etc. but not over some UI elements like the KDE taskbar or task switcher. If I have a game open (War Thunder) the visual glitches remain present even when entering a new match, appearing as clownvomit noise on terrian textures. Seems like maybe textures/sprites/icons loaded into RAM or VRAM might be getting corrupted because of the sleep cycle? Anyone seen this sort of thing before?

My OS and hardware is pic related with the default Wayland, but I installed Xlibre as well somewhat recently and that might be the cause. I also installed a few other desktop environments to trial, many didn't run properly and some didn't uninstal properly, but I doubt that could be the problem. Installing Xlibre made KiCAD software work flawlessly BTW, I expected to run into more issues.

>>108072274
That's not very Friendly GNU/Linux Thread of you...

>>108072274
all arch users are braindead retards. it takes 3 minutes on their forum to figure this out.

>>108072416
This anon + arch users. Name a more iconic duo.

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>>108072346
Oh, the corruption is even here after restarting the game. Today it appears the letter "r" is compromised.

>>108072346
What if you change themes?
The fact that the artifact repeats at regular intervals seems like something is tiling. Some themes use an actual image to draw the borders or titlebars and the image repeats to fill the space. Maybe there's something wrong with that theme or image or how it's defined in the theme files

>>108072433
The theme UI elements are the parts I care least about. It's the applications themselves that I'm irritated about. Quitting and restarting an applciations usually works, but this time it hasn't. Ideally I'd mitigate the source of the problem in the first place. Maybe I should look into changing graphics drivers. You know, Nvidia things.

>>108072274
>Braindead distros like Mint exist for people who want nothing more than to click a button for updates
Except Mint still makes you manually change your sources to the next point release.

>>108072186
That statement may have been a little hyperbolic. I have used KDE Neon, where instability shouldn't come as a surprise, and also Fedora. It's a shame too because I thought being on Fedora would make things rock solid. Fucked up fonts, failures to boot properly, broken context menus, etc.

I typically use Ubuntu, and it has been a fairly seamless experience within the last five years. Ubuntu's DE is gnome-based and they usually have better support for Nvidia cards out of the box.

>>108072346
If you're not using a laptop I'd suggest avoiding sleep/hibernation/faggotry. How difficult it is to shutdown and boot up in 15 seconds back up.
Anyhow looks like a gpu driver issue.

>>108072694
>If you're not using a laptop I'd suggest avoiding sleep/hibernation/faggotry
Fair enough. If anything it's just so in the summer I don't roast my room by leaving my computer on, and so that I don't have to reopen all my applications. But it's probably good practice to shut it down. I'll look into graphics, I think I'm running Nvidia Open drivers. Am I retarded for assuming that the release of Nvidia open drivers would make Nvidia a good choice for a linux desktop when I made this machine a year ago?

>>108072760
I vaguely remember hearing about a setting for nvidia drivers of whether to save and restore vram after sleeping. Check whether that's turned off, maybe that would explain your issues. I use nvidia-open and never had any problems with sleeping. I don't think it's inherent to the hardware.

'mornin Anons (well, morning in Germany...)

First time poster in this general with a very obvious question: Which distro should I get?

Here's the thing: /tpg/ finally got the best of me, so I bought myself a T14G1. I really love this computer but since I need it for work with lots of Windows stuff it has to stay Windows.
But since I'm hooked now I want to get me a T480 as a private computer - which I 100% want to be Linux.

What I want/need is this:

1) Lightweight, fast, snappy and stable
2) Terminal commands optional - I'm a lifelong Windows user, I just want to download my .exe and call it a day.
3) ideally not some niche distro but one with stable base and support.
4) Classic desktop metaphor, again because I don't wanna spent too much time getting used to anything really new

I don't come here empty-handed. I did my own researc before and came up with these distros:

1) Mint Cinnamon
2) Ubuntu Mate
3) Zorin (although it's kinda niche and not as light, am I correct?)

Long story short, from all I've read until now Cinnamon should be my best option. But I wanted you guys opinion on that. Thanks in advance.

>>108072890
Oh I forgot: I'm not into gaming. I would need this computer for general stuff - browsing, videos, writing, the usual tasks

>>108071078
>I do Mechanical Engineering and CS
I have no idea why, but I feel like I've seen this meme a lot very recently. Anyway, what exactly does a dual ME/CS-negro do for a living? 3D printing stuff? Designing cooling systems for data centers? Working on mechanical designs for robotic systems? Or just fixing factory equipment?

>>108070038
Cachy or Bazzite with either KDE or GNOME.
>ability (or lack thereof) to tinker with the system a little since it's "immutable"
It's not different from any other distro.

>>108070389
Pretty much nobody runs Slackware or Gentoo. They're meme distros.

>>108071078
>Linux Noob here
>Arch and Debian
If you're considering these then you're not a "noob". A "noob" would go for Ubuntu or Fedora.

>>108071544
Was a fact up until 2021 when they got their shit together. It's now easily disputed since low attention span gamers are using it as their DE on SteamOS, CachyOS and Bazzite. If KDE was actually that bad these distros wouldn't be used and KDE itself wouldn't be the most popular DE in the Arch repos.

>>108072890
>Which distro should I get?
>Terminal commands optional
>stable base and support
Aurora fits the description perfectly. ZorinOS is fine too but it is an Ubuntu fork compared to Aurora being a Fedora image (basically a post-install script). So if you're looking into less "niche" distros Ubuntu would be better than ZorinOS.
>Cinnamon
>Mate
Avoid these. Compared to KDE and GNOME they're niche as fuck and they're mostly still stuck on X11. They're both just a severely outdated version of GNOME. ZorinOS would be a much better choice than Mint/Ubuntu+Cinnamon/Mate.
tldr. either Aurora, ZorinOS or Ubuntu (GNOME).

>>108070715
sometimes for "complete" software, like stuff that only gets updates out of necessity, the updates are just to ensure it works with newer dependencies/compilers.
i have a couple specific examples because i've had to find/make patches myself for them, namely i found and added a patch to tint2 because of a segfault that occurs when a tray icon disappears when it's run using recent versions of glib2. another one causes g15render not to build with a newer build environment (i don't remember the specific details but it was a simple fix). both projects are unmaintained

>>108070715
>>108072967
oh btw, nice thing about foss is that if you really want to know "why Z program keeps getting updates", you can just look it up and actually see exactly what was changed. could be something small like "fixes issue with gcc <current version>" or "now works with libpng <current version>", or it could add new features you didn't know about because you didn't look before

 * Due to a now-resolved bug in the date command, this system may be unable
   to automatically check for updates. Manually install the update using:

     sudo apt install --update rust-coreutils

   https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/enabling-updates-on-ubuntu-25-10-systems/

rustkeks...

>>108072950
>Terminal commands optiona
>Aurora
The website advertises it as a distro for programmers lol

is it safe for me to upgrade to kernel 6.17.0-14.14~24.04.1 on Linux Mint? I had a wifi sleep bug that would only occur after putting my system to sleep (I fixed it thanks to an anon in this thread), and I don't know if upgrading to a newer kernel would make my system/wifi fucky.

>>108073133
They expected it to break. The whole reason they put it there was so they can find all of these bugs and issues and get them fixed in time for the LTS.

>>108073157
Yes. The Linux kernel famously does not break user-space (you can update the kernel on any system and it should never break your operating system, unless there's a bug of course but it's generally safe)

I am currently on kubuntu 25.10 and I honestly don't really like it that much. I am thinking of swapping to either tuxedo os, ubuntu mate, or exe linux. Any suggestions? I prefer distros with the apt package manager by default.
https://os.tuxedocomputers.com/
https://ubuntu-mate.org/
https://exegnulinux.net/

>>108073140
Is this the new FUD related to Fedora distros? As if that changes the fact that it doesn't actually require a terminal to be used by an average person.
Also, if you didn't lack reading comprehension you'd see that the "developer mode" is not the default. It's just a CLI command you have to opt into running to install some additional packages. Their marketing clearly indicates it's just a normal OS to be used by normal people:
>Enjoy a privacy-respecting, fast and stable experience on your PC.
>With a set of carefully selected applications and chosen defaults, Aurora is built for daily usage and is easy, fun and productive. It takes care of you and works alongside you.
>Everything configured, nothing to worry about.
>Updates are built and tested before they ever reach you and are a single image that gets applied in the background.
>And if a new version of Aurora breaks something, you can rollback to a known-good state.

It's just that it CAN be used for software development, media creation, etc. because it comes with utilities to set things up for you automatically.

>>108073283
>it doesn't actually require a terminal to be used by an average person
Configuring global Flatpak permissions does

>>108073351
>lies again
Yes, let us pretend that Flatseal doesn't come pre-installed.

>>108072950
>ZorinOS is fine too
Zorin has a much smaller community and is pretty fucking far from being
>Lightweight, fast, snappy
>>108072890
Mint Cinnamon is definetly okay if you're a complete Linux starter.
>>108073283
You should read the entire comments instead of fokussing on buzzwords that fit your way of thinking.
Obviously anon is a MS user who just wants a stable, well-supported distro and doesn't want to crawl deep into the Linux rabbit hole.
>I don't wanna spent too much time getting used to anything really new

>>108073425
>Obviously anon is a MS user who just wants a stable, well-supported distro and doesn't want to crawl deep into the Linux rabbit hole.
So Aurora is perfect then, great.

>>108073425
>Mint Cinnamon is definetly okay if you're a complete Linux starter
Unless you have a monitor made after 2016

>>108073425
>read the entire comments instead of fokussing on buzzwords that fit your way of thinking.
Like you're doing? You were the first to cherry-pick keywords on the website with your implications that it's a distro primarily made for programmers >>108073140

Did you even use it yourself or are you just fearmongering people and redirecting them to shittier distros (Mint Cinnamon)? Because guess what, both me and my wife have used Aurora for over a year on a shared laptop that gets used daily. The .bash_history is an empty file. Clearly you don't need a terminal to use it in any way and it works for people who have no Linux experience whatsoever, like my wife.
>inb4 you just use it for a web browser
No, there's at least 40 Flatpaks installed. None of which ever needed tinkering with permissions.

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>>108073482
Different Anon. UBlue and Mint both suck cock btw

>>108073425
>Mint Cinnamon is definetly okay if you're a complete Linux starter.
The website indicates that you need a manual to know how to install and use the OS. What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
>https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/verify.html
And why do updates require a terminal?
>https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/upgrade.html
This is NOT good for a Linux starter...

My new PC is literally schizo.

Upgraded to AM5 all amd using linux. Before I never had any problem even when using linux/KDE.

Sometimes in a game it will get the maximum FPS I can tell it will be 400fps+, then I boot it up next time I turn on my PC, nothing changed and it gets 150-200fps in the exact same round and area and I tab out and KDE plasma lags. But then sometimes it just werks and theres no lag or anything.

Not really sure what the problem is, tried disabling the igpu, and that doesnt really seem to affect it. Tried every bios setting, disabling ecomode, setting to full TDP 105W, Used LACT and set video card power profile to highest clocks.

Not sure if that fixed it but it seems to have gone away, for now.

I think that may have fixed it, I couldn't tell you. It might do something the next day all on its own. Ive never seen a PC act so unpredictable like this for no reason even on linoox.

Ordered a new USB 3.0 stick pack going to flash the latest bios and maybe that will fix it if it has problems again.

>>108072199
>>USB adapter
>only for PCIe
Anon, get your eyes checked.
>got to use that specific channel
Only if you misconfigured something (no country code?). In that case it will refuse to use DFS channels, as required by regulations, so your only choice then becomes channel 36.

>>108070038
Only Kubuntu fits this description

>>108073133
It only affected automatic background checks for updates. If you ever started Discover manually (or whatever the Gnome equivalent is) then it checked for updates correctly.

>>108073204
What is it that you don't like?

>>108073203
ok, after setting up a snapshot, I upgraded to that kernel. but now my update manager is saying I have another kernel update available for 'Linux kernel 6.8.0-100.100', isn't that an old kernel version?

>>108073586
The update manager won't know about your new kernel I think. You can install the update and I think it'd keep your existing kernel anyway although I'm not sure.
You can probably just ignore it.

>>108073535
Do you have background updates enabled?

>>108073586
That's because your distro has a specific upgrade path for the kernel. But it doesn't block you from installing whichever one you want. This is generally a good practice as a way to have a fallback kernel.

>>108073621
oh so I have fallback kernels (I assume located in GRUB, I used to use Fedora) so its just upgrading one of the fallback kernels, right...?

>>108073635
Yes, it's just updating whatever kernel your distro normally would use.

>>108073635
Exactly. It probably went from 6.8...-99 or something to 6.8...-100.

>>108073640
>>108073648
Ah I see, thank you Linux chads

KDE is so much faster than Gnome on my stinkpad it's not even funny

>>108073621
I dont have an updates enabled or steam background

and it did it again. It might be a problem with just this particular game because every other one runs fine with proton.

Some times it runs at high fps other times 60-150fps

Changing proton doesnt work in respects to it launching or mattering. Tried deleting the compat data and trying some protondb options

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Finally solved the thermal throttling issue on my Surface Pro with Mint. All I have to do is set it in front of my A/C. Problem solved, no more overheating.

Already tried Thermald (which comes with Mint), autocpufreq, CPU Frequency Applet (with its dependencies), and CPUPowerGUI. None of the Powersaving governers, clock/cycle limiters made much difference in terms of the time it took to thermal throttle. I could reduce performance with some of them (like autocpufreq and CPUPowerGUI) and it would make games stutter and lag a little, but it still would thermal throttle within 20 minutes whether it was in performance, balanced, or powersaving mode. Or sometimes changing modes wouldn't do anything. (Thermaled for example won't let me use Powersave, even when unplugged.)

Think I just need to get a small fan for it and blast it from the back. But yeah, working pretty good now.

>>108069866
ani-cli
https://github.com/pystardust/ani-cli

>>108070096
Debian netinstall doesn't install a DE unless you ask it to.

>>108071074
>bazzite
Bad choice.

>>108071554
I've seen you post this billions of times and the whole thing looks like schizobabble with nothing that links any of the posts together as being related.

>>108071672
Out of all the highlighted manual interventions the only one relevant for most users is the two plasma ones and linux-firmware. So that's about 4 times in the span of a year and a half.

>>108073431
My monitor is made after 2016 and works fine with X11 which mint cinnamon is based on.

>>108074029
>So that's about 4 times in the span of a year and a half.
How many do you have to do on Fedora or Debian? How many did you have to do on Windows 7? Zero.

>>108074058
>How many do you have to do on Fedora or Debian?
Every time you do an upgrade to the next stable release. So twice a year for fedora and once every 2 years for debian stable.

>>108074070
>Every time you do an upgrade to the next stable release
I've never had to do any manual intervention on Fedora. I just click update in Discover and it moves me seamlessly to the next point release.

>>108072950
I've got news for you. GNOME is basically niche as fuck at this point and is only relevant because fedora and ubuntu ship it as their default desktops.

>>108073425
>You should read the entire comments instead of fokussing on buzzwords that fit your way of thinking.
Yeah hes a known troll who shills meme ublue distros and shits on actual good distros that everyone has been using for years.

>>108074079
Clicking update IS manual intervention.

I'm looking to start getting into linux and want to run a VM first, what do you all use?
Virtual Box?

>>108074090
I used to use virtualbox when i was back on windows.

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>>108074089

>>108074090
Back when I started to mess with Linux VMs I used Virtualbox. Just install the guest additions in the VM after installing the OS and it'll act more like an actual OS.

>>108074086
So Mint/Cinnamon is alright for me? Right more I'm more confused than when I wrote my original question

>>108074122
>So Mint/Cinnamon is alright for me?
Do you want to be able to right-click hard drives? Do you want to use halfway recent versions of software? Do you want the "update" button to actually update your computer? Do you want HDR, VRR, DPI scaling, or multimonitor setups to work? If the answer to any of these questions is "Yes", then you should not use Mint.

>>108074122
Yeah mint cinnamon is fine its just one anon has been forcing dumb distrowars for the last few months.

>>108074143
Enjoy your deprecated display server

>>108074188
I'm enjoying posting in /fglt/ on my dwm setup.

>>108074132
>>108074143
I second this. I'd even go further: If you absolutely don't care about a modern look with shadows and animations and whatnot you could even go the Mint xfce path. That way you're about 3 1/2 clicks away from something that looks like Win 95
You wrote that you wanna put it on a T480. I tell you: With xfce it'll feel as fast as a fucking lightning. I mean even with the slightly heavier cinnamon it'll be faster than anything you've seen in Windows but if you want the full snappy-tastic lightspeed feel and don't really care about nice optics then you should love xfce especially since compatibility is 100% the same as with cinnamon.

>>108074188
Since Anon wants to install it on a T480 (which is 1920 x 1080) it'll be absolutely fine and you know that you fuckin shizo.

>>108074234
Plasma is more optimized

>>108074090
virt-manager

>>108074234
You're better off just ignoring him instead of feeding the schizo.

Bottles or Lutris if all i need is an easy simple way to install and run old games from cds?

>>108074344
Bottles acts like a virtual Windows environment while Lutris runs scripts that set up wine prefixes in a way that the game should work. Pick and choose, really.

is running memtest overnight adequate for figuring out if i have bad memory? main problem i have is cachyOS hangs on boot on a cold boot and only boots up on the second attempt

>>108074344
just use steam schizo

>>108074447
Yeah that's pretty normal.

>>108074459
you mean cachyOS failing to boot on a cold boot or running memtest overnight?

>>108074465
Running memtest.

>>108074456
Why use steam when i have the physical cds?

>>108074505
i mean to run the games

New thread: >>108074985

>>108074989
Wait for page 8 retard

>>108072890
If you take anything from these threads, be it this: DO NOT USE WHATEVER FLAVOUR OF THE MONTH DISTRO IS POPULAR AT THE MOMENT.
If it hasn't existed for at least a decade, you don't even bother considering it or giving it the time of day.
And you should do more reading on desktop environments and distros, they're not the same thing and you can mix and match freely.
>stable base with good support
Just follow the one rule I said above. You'll be fine.
>classic desktop metaphor
This has nothing to do with distros, and all to do with desktop environments. Again, read up on them. I don't use floating/stacking window managers or DEs anymore, but I used to like Cinnamon. XFCE is always a good option too.
>lightweight, fast, snappy
Mostly depends on what you put on top of it. Good, well optimized code will run fast on toasters. KDE will be sluggish on middle specs old laptops.
>just want to download my .exe and call it a day
You don't seem to understand how much easier it is to use a package manager. They might not have a GUI and you'd have to remember maybe two or three terminal commands to use them but after that you get access to whatever software you want with just one terminal command, as long as it's in your repos. You don't have to search the internet for your random .exe file, you don't have install wizards, all the dependencies are sorted out for you by the package manager... Everything is just so much easier.
Some do have the option for a GUI frontend, mint ships with one (I find it too slow). Others might have it, some might not be official. There's frontends for flatpacks if you're into that instead too.

>>108072924
Same thing every engineer does: Uber.
Though some of them do prefer working for iFood instead.

>>108070389
I use it on my torrent machine.

>>108073482
The superior linux mint cinnamon edition once again living rent free in the head of the ublue schizo.