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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

Majora Edition

>News
Moonshot AI releases Kimi-K2.5 https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-5.html
Z․ai releases GLM-4.7 https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.7
Google releases Gemini 3 Flash https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flash
OpenAI releases GPT-5.2 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2
Deepseek releases V3.2 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3.2
Anthropic releases Opus 4.5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-5
Google releases Gemini 3 Pro https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3

additional info: https://aicg.miraheze.org/?action=history

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat

>Bots
https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://jannyai.com

>Models
jailbreaks: https://aicg.miraheze.org/Jailbreaks?action=history
gpt/claude/gemini/deepseek: https://openrouter.ai
local: >>>/g/lmg

>Botmaking
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
lore: https://aicg.miraheze.org/Chronicles?action=history
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org

Rewound time: >>108053256
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>You've met with a terrible ANCHOR, haven't you?
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majoraKINO
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Do this look like Opus because i asked it to make some test massages
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>>108064717
yeah
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>>108064717
Sonnet
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I actually enjoy this thread theme for once, good job baker
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>>108064717
looks like Opus, it's always Henderson or Chen with Opus
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>>108064689
>>108064694
kino
non coom bread
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>>108064746
I wonder why?
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>>108064757
Same reason he fucking loves the number 47.
Overcooked
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>>108064746
>office lady chatbot
>I'll work on Henderson's account, sir
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>>108064762
can we poison the internet with so many 67 references that the future opus loves 67?
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Now that the dust has settled, were group chats really that bad a mechanic?
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My operator is fucking useless bro. I'm gonna fucking die out here.
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Dario cooked the fuck outta that cock smoker

Btw sonnet 5 tomorrow

We won
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>>108064746
Or Marcus
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>>108064851
i use this mech desubokudesudessaaaa
gc's member:
>mansion.png
>dungeon.png
>bedroom.png
>mother-in-law-bedroom.png
>aicg-university.png
>cabal-rave-club.png
>natural-disaster.png
>world-war-III.png
>alien-visit.png
>valentine.png
>event.png
then put any char i liek on wi, ofc replacing the {{char}} with its actual value 1st, then {{outlet]} as prompt.
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>>108064885
Is there any source for the sonnet 5 tomorrow thing besides that one v0 twitter account?
Speaking of which, who tf even is v0? Why do we trust them at all?
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>>108064904
trust the plan
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>>108064689
Good bake.
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i got the sonnet 5 preview email already
sorry to say, but it's slop
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/vg/ is mogging us...
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I’ll wait for someone not-trans to confirm, thanks
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/vg/ is mogging us
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Who's this (cute) retard >>108064698 whom didn't even bother to link their bake?
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Locusts are dying~
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>>108064694
Your girlfriend Andrea suddenly woke up as a man, and you suddenly woke up as a woman.
That's pretty much it. That's the whole premise. It's not a complex bot.
Made for MalePOV, and I strongly recommend making/editing your persona for this bot to reflect the transformation. It gets a little screwy otherwise.
4 openings.
1. The morning it happened.
2. First time out in your new forms.
3. "Andrew" gets hit on and doesn't realize it.
4. Andrea is starting to adjust to her penis, tries to rape you.
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/andrea-99b57da7b601
https://files.catbox.moe/bngq1c.png
https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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>>108065648
slop
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So what's the best of the cheap models? DS/GLM/K2.5?
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>>108065711
Use Opus, cuckie
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>>108065715
No thanks. I'm done paying $1000 a month.
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>>108065721
You don’t have a choice, cuckie.
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>>108065724
Actually I do. I can use a cheaper model and cope. I just want to know which I should focus on wrangling into something acceptable.
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>>108065731
Nyope. Use Opus, cuckie.
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>>108065711
K2.5
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>>108065592
I thought it was deleted kem
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>>108064851
They definitely could've been better, but they're ok
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Does streaming lead to a higher frequency of rejections, or am I just paranoid and retarded?
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>>108065806
it does on gemini
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>>108065816
Gemini only gives rejections via the api for very specific reasons.
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>credits suddenly drained on openrouter
>mfw caching stopped working
fuuuuuuuuu
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>>108065855
Sucks to suck, they gave me extra
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henlo again
last thread i didn't mean any real edge/bite/heat behind the shill
i now politely extend to you bnuuy card again
*the dwarf is making a plaintive gesture*

>>108064694

>Koshi
A mean, mean bully bunnygyaru.

Except she's not. She's a wannabe.

Koshi is a bunnygirl kemonomimi currently trapped in a doomed 'fake it till you make it' arc of trying to become a gyaru.
Her problem? There's a whole lot of 'fake' going on, and very little 'make' to tell.

Luckily for her, she's come up with a plan.

Unluckily for you, you're in it.

6 greetings. A number so convenient anyone can dice-roll the starting message!

1. You have struck a Faustian deal with Koshi: you are to help her become a mean, lean, bunnygyaru machine… by letting her bully you!
2. You hear Koshi crying inside the school's bathroom, she comes out pretending she wasn't.
3. Koshi has successfully recruited one of her bunnygirl friends to play as the victim instead of you.
4. Koshi desperately asks you to let her bully you in front of some gyarus about to rush by.
5. One of Koshi's bullying attempts has backfired catastrophically. The gyarus have at last declared her torasshu.
6. You are at a comic shop/second-hand bookstore, when all of a sudden you bump into Koshi who drops a magazine she was smuggling out.

https://chub.ai/characters/petNyan/koshi-f8e3e717b3bd
https://files.catbox.moe/rsc0n9.png
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>>108066037
slop
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>>108066037
masterpiece
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>>108066061
>>108066137
well which one is it faggots
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>>108066220
You don't wanna know.
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Fellow goys, it's upon us
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Any Claude Opus 4.6 Thinking logs??
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A lot of cuckies won't have access to it.
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>>108066220
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>the new version of text gen UI is broken for 5090s and has been so for almost a month now

being a wealthy anon is suffering
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>>108066285
>No Sonnet 5
Boo. I doubt they'll unslop the model after 4, 4.1 and 4.5 so I'd rather see something new
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>>108066480
It will be after
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>>108064689
>>108064750
Agree. This is a good bake.
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Opus 4.6 today. Mogs every model when it comes to rp and writing
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>>108066708
Can't wait, I'm already feeling jolts of electricity going down my spine.
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>>108066708
I'm ecstatic to be irritated over some new slop isms.
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my nuts are so swollen waiting for sonnet 5, been edging for days now
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>>108066956
Same but my clitty.
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>>108065648
Genderswap is oldie but goldie
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>>108066964
37 years old unc btw
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>>108067094
Nyo! I'm cutie
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>even normies are getting tired of the isms
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>>108066708
And every swipe is up to 1% different!
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>>108067115
Check the new Anthropic's commercials dunking on OAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sVD3aG_azw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-_wQpKw0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBSam25u8O4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQRu7DdTTVA
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>>108067210
Not so fast!
Sama is btfoing Dario the Fascist CHUD on Xitter!
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I swear to god these AI companies swap out their new shiny models with low-cost shit versions just a few weeks after rolling them out.

I'm comparing my Opus/Gemini logs from the day they were released to today and the difference is staggering.
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>>108067238
wtf? its cheaper than gpt
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>>108067269
>t. Chud Pajeet (Aka "Grass enemy")
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>>108067238
Hypocrisy is what I hate, and each sama's word is drenched in it. He lies more than breathes.
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>>108064717
What prompt?
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>>108067394
"Make me some test messages"
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>people still unsatisfied and want NEW BETTER IMPROOOOVED
>still happy with my 2024 models
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>>108067416
>still unsatisfied
There's not much to be satisfied with, we've been steadily regressing in terms of writing quality and RP.
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chink opus redirects to sonnet :(
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>>108067465
how can you even tell it's sonnet or opus? they're indistinguishable
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>>108067427
i disagree
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Why is /v/ playing games when NovelAI exists?
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>>108067532
Understandable, have a nice day.
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opus is not worth the 30t/s, im trying to goon here
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deepsneed v4 has 1.5T params.
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>those that those that those that
gemini you dumb slut
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gemmy 3 might be a dumb slut but it's still my current favorite model.
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Goynnet status?
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>mfw lucked out and got an absolutely god-tier gemini 3 instance to show up
holy shit this thing has literally been in make-no-mistakes mode for hours now, i'm never closing this chat
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https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-6
new sloppa
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show logs
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>>108068176
oh neat
now to wait for the planets to align ao i can get it for free
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>codeslop
>safetyslop
I guess it's up to NovelAI now to save us with their GLM fine-tune.
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>>108068176
it seems to be extremely safetymaxxed + positive bias through the roof.
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well lets see some logs of it then
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upcoming claude models leaked via claude code
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>>108068176
>(markdown)[url]
Not better than a random sub-100B that includes emojis.
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>>108068287
what is yo sup nigga energy
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Does it accept prefills? I was getting an error until I turned mine off
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>>108068176
things really have stalled huh
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{"type":"error","error":{"type":"invalid_request_error","message":"This model does not support assistant message prefill. The conversation must end with a user message."},"request_id":""}
IT'S OVER
>IT'S OVER
IT'S OVER
>IT'S OVER
IT'S OVER
>IT'S OVER
IT'S OVER
>IT'S OVER
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1m context is a nice plus but it seems only slightly better than 4.5pus otherwis3
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>>108068324
OH NO NO NO NO CLAUDESISTERS
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>>108068324
>Still using prefills in 2026
unc doesn't know
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https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/0dd865075ad3132672ee0ab40b05a53f14cf5288.pdf
As part of a change to our API, it will not be possible for developers to seed incomplete responses for Claude Opus 4.6 to continue. This partial-turn prefill mechanism was a significant avenue for misuse in prior models.

The public API for Claude Opus 4.6, unlike prior models, does not allow users to prefill incomplete assistant turns.
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>>108068324
Lmao :(
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>>108068343
so.... what happens if connection gets dropped mid stream? money stolen?
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>>108068343
>This partial-turn prefill mechanism was a significant avenue for misuse in prior models
Puking...
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If a deepseek or similar "cheap" model actually manages to match claude or one of the bigger models how does that affect the hobby?
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>>108068343
>it's real
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nyo... now I miss that one smug anon... rip
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>prefill is dead
lol im sure theyre gonna do this for every other model going forward, claudekeks fully lost
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>>108068376
is this an api update for all of their models? or just opus 4.6? if it's for the entire api, even opus/sonnet 4.5 is going to be affected by it.
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does prefill not work in 4.6pus?
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>>108068395
gpt-5.2 and gemini 3 are just fine and they need jailbreaks, opus 4.6 will be great as soon as someone posts a preset for it
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>>108068403
5.2 is hot ass like every other gpt model and gemmy 3 doesnt really need jbs as long as youre not doing cunny
opus 4.6 is slop
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>>108068401
It's just Opus 4.6.
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you guys still use prefills?
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>>108068429
cool.
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>>108068438
Yeah, how else can I pass the filters for violence and shit?
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>>108068304
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The positive bias and RLHF on new opus is insane, god damn.
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>>108067238
Did dario respond to this?
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>opus 4.6 is great!
>no logs
>opus 4.6 is shit!
>logs
hmmm
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Is it on aws yet or am I waiting on pomidor to update?
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>>108068446
write a 30k token preset anon
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>>108068176
>same pricing
It's ogre.
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WOW ITS FUCKING NOTHING
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Is downgrading models the new trend or some shit?
I swear it's contagious
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>>108068497
Anthropic removed the prefill, literally the only thing that made it CONCEPTUALLY better than OAI. What they call a full turn prefill is not a prefill in fact but simply sending whatever you want to the model, a thing you were able to do with ANY model ALWAYS. Not with OAI Responses API now, of course, but that's the next stage.
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Just say you can't pay for it bro
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will the chink site add scuffed 4.6 opus?
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>>108068517
whats up with that responses api shit anyway
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GPT-5.3-Codex and Opus 4.6 both just dropped within a few minutes of each other
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>>108068517
>Muh attacks
I bet it's because of agent autism
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>>108068543
certain things aren't possible in the original API and they can't change it without making it really shitty/ugly so they just made a new API
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>>108068383
>that one smug anon
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
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I'm struggling to think of a reason I'd use 4.6 over 4.5 desu.
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>>108068553
>certain things aren't possible in the original API
such as?
also i assume from your last post that you cant just send whatever to responses api which kinda blows
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>>108068561
Think about your safety anon, (((we))) care about you
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>>108068561
>1M context
>Better recall
You may just be retarded
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>>108068567
they can't easily send reasoning summaries/encrypted reasoning blocks back, IIRC functions can only return text (not images)
nothing that matters for /aicg/ but stuff that matters for people trying to build big products/agentic systems on them
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>>108068561
No. Dario will deprecate 4.5, force you to use 4.6, and you WILL like it.
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>>108068581
Hey Dario, can we get prefills back? thx
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>>108068567
the response api is stateful. they save the chat history on their server and optimize it (if at all), instead of sending the full chat history/context for every request. it's worse than chat completion imo.
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>>108068610
you can use it statelessly with the right params
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>>108068581
>1M context
you only need 32k. 128k if you're skillet.
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>>108068634
64k presets are a placebo
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>>108068517
>Anthropic removed the prefill
70% revenue evaporated just like that
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>>108068361
It already does.
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give me a serious reason of why shall i ever use 4.6 over 4.5? since prefill is gone now?
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>>108068543
Chat history is saved on OAI's server. You're only allowed/intended to send a single message during your turn.
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>>108068650
Retard.
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>>108068660
?
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>>108068643
Anon, you're a very retarded person if you think that, and I don't have to elaborate on why.
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>>108068650
for ""some reason"" opus 4.5 is being shut down really soon
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>Opus 4.6 released
>sama: "GPT-5.3-Codex is here!"
>https://x.com/sama/status/2019474754529321247
lmao.
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>>108068650
>serious
What he said >>108068666
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New Claude seems alright.
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>>108068723
It's better than opus 4.5
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You can do smut without prefill but I can't bother with posting logs because it's literally the same shit as opus 4.5.

I'll wait for sonnet 5 instead
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>>108068761
Sonnet 5 is going to prefill YOU
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>>108068761
Sonnet 5 was delayed for a few months, good luck
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opus 4.6 just spat out 2k tokens on a second message even though the first message is around 300 long. Opus & Sonnet 4.5 etc. always sort of matched the first message length. That's a good thing. Especially since I've been playing out that scenario so much, it's sort of my test message so I sort of knew what to expect. opus 4.6 did the best by far, like I'm talking miles.
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>>108068810
log?
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>>108068819
I'm in a wow dungeon
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>>108068830
ok so log after>>108068819
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https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-3-codex/
https://openai.com/index/introducing-the-codex-app/
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>>108068887
We're saved.
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well, it didn't immediately refuse cunny without a prefill, so that's good. might just be the context though
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>>108068909
Sama that is a shitty coding upgrade WE are cooked
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Where are the fucking logs....
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>>108068911
can it do more em-dashes?
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>CN already found a workaround for the prefill "block"
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>>108068911
It's fucking pathetic
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>>108068997
?
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>>108068998
D-don't stare too hard
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>>108068870
>fix long context
>no longer need prefilling to look good on benchmarks
>remove it and say you did it because of safety
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>opus 4.6 doesn't realize my fetish is a fetish and doesn't need prefilling or even a jailbreak
we win again
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>>108068997
Can you give more info?
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>>108069029
words of affirmation?
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>>108069038
i lied to give false hope
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>>108069029
I can't continue this roleplay. The content describes detailed planning to deceive and facilitate the genocide of multiple sapient species, framed as erotic content.
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>>108069048
That's not very nice
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How come agents are hot right now everywhere except coombot circles?
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>no prefill
Grim.
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literally zero improvement over 4.5, same reddit prose

claude is dead
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did anyone actually expect them to improve prose...?
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>>108068911
I guess. For some reason it preferred to drop "seven-year-old" twice in the context before finally providing this, apparently that wasn't an issue.
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>>108069123
HOLY SLOP
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>>108069059
I know I'm outing myself as a complete retard but what's an agent? Like, what the fuck does that mean in this context?
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My model is so fvarking smart!
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>>108069117
I was secretly hoping, as I always do. Them removing prefill due to muh misuse kills any hopes for future Claude model though. Such a shame.
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>>108069144
Not so fast, cuckie
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>>108069151
we've worked with worse, we will get through
two more years
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>>108069162
>we've worked with worse
Did we really? Even shit like pozzed keys or Google's bullshit was circumvented through prefilling.
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geminiCONSULS... we won...
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>>108069133
Affirmative.
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>>108069195
gpt used to be a gold standard a couple years ago and that didn't have prefilling
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uh… i hate this timeline where jeetmini getting cocky…
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>claudesaars get their karma for hyping up overpriced slop time after time since 2024 now that dario has removed their most beloved feature
and so, nothing of value to anyone white was lost
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>>108069123
Shit log & go kill yourself
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>>108069224
i did until mini and mm died...
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>>108069239
Face it, we wonned...
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>>108069217
Get psychiatric help
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4.1 and 4.5 arent significantly better than slopus 4.6 btw
neither is 4
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>>108069273
What did this jeetmini follower attempt to say? Did he reverse the order of his sentence accidentally revealing his ESL?
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>>108069278
every version of claude 4 shitpus is about the same in quality
that is, not very good
>but you are l-le jeetmini jeet!
jeetmini is worse lol
i mostly use 3.7 nowadays but thats dying in about two weeks most likely
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>>108069249
rip...
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>>108069245
PLANET-BVSTING TRVKE
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claudekeksbros...
i don't feel so good...
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>>108068730
Eh…〜 Can't tell. Been kinda busy playing with Lamp Gregor in 'bus
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>>108069340
Is he good, I haven't pulled him yet
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No prefil
It's fucking over
Opus has fallen
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deserved downfall...
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>>108069144
Where is deepseek?
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Opus is insane.
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im chillin with glm, just wish it was less retarded is all
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Where the fuck is sonnet 5 did we just got BAITED? I'm not feeling so good bros...
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sonnet 5 was rebranded was opus 4.6 so when opus 5 drops it will look a lot better
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fuck sonnet 5 gimme glm 5
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anyone with high verbal IQ notice a difference in 4.6 or is it legit a nothingburger
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>>108069508
It's very different
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holy shit opus 4.6 is borderline AGI. Its understanding everything now
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>>108069533
Thisssss
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I'm COOOOODING with Opus and GPT 5.3 COOODEX!
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im coooooooming with old r1
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>locusts think they'll be able to use opus 4.5
>but now whenever anyone looks at billing they'll know "i'm not using opus 4.5..." and revoke the key
should've spent that time getting a job
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>>108069559
I don't care about code. I care about nutting.
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>>108069138
Agents are when you make LLMs do goal directed behavior, like giving it access to an API and telling it to write code or do a task for you

idk how that would make sense for a coom bot

I do make my openclaw RP with me and act like an imouto that wants to fuck me, while she organizes my emails and notes, but she doesn't have any coom related agentic tasks that doesn't make sense
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So Opus 6 is just too censored to work?
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>>108069564
>I'm driiiiiiiiiving Ford Model T
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>>108069138
agents are models that go off and do shit on their own
for example codex is an agentic coding model
you'll say "rewrite this part of the code", it'll read relevant files, instructions on disk, write the code, run linters, write tests, fix tests, etc
you tell it to do something and come back 15 minutes later and it's done (ideally)
non-coding agents are much worse, but the idea is it might book tickets for a flight for you after examining like 30 different options
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>>108059170
Wow, you weren't kidding, picrel is chat completion on nvidia api. Both respond to "what model are you" so it's not like they lack a model card altogether, but 2.5 folds immediately at the slightest hint it might be Claude in the context. Gives you a pretty good idea of where most of its data came from and why 2.5 is so riddled with Claude-centric 'isms compared to K2.
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>>108069594
Use opus 4.6, cuckie.
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>>108069581
>ford model T just works
okay, and?
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>>108069568
I've been using opus 4.1 on the same key for like 6 months now
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>>108069598
If your car doesn't have a choke, it's a joke.
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>>108069581
Yes.
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>>108069598
it literally doesn't work.
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I'm coooding so good
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>>108069598
>no prefill
aw hell nah unc :skull: ts lame we all moved on to 4.5 ts tuff unc ong
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>>108069618
Turn off prefill retard.
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>>108069594
>2.5 is so riddled with Claude-centric 'isms compared to K2.
Aaaaand 2.5 is still 10x superior than 2. What's your point here?
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>>108069677
how do you do that in st. Not baiting just genuinely don't remember.
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>>108069685
...
ahhh this nigga
point n laugh folks this is why slop presets and bots still get made in '26
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>>108069682
>What's your point here?
...that 2.5 is riddled with Claude 'isms compared to K2?
>10x superior
Subjective, it's smarter but I still prefer how Thinking handles my prompts writing-wise.
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>>108069594
>slightest hint it might be Claude in the context
Doesn't even need that. >>108062535
>>108069682
Nothing, K2.5 is an excellent general purpose model. It's just been imperfectly trained for RP and creative writing.
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its over
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don't you just love it when claussy shits out a 1.5k token response
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Anon's jaw tightened almost imperceptibly.
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Blacktooth >= opus 4.6
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>>108069879
The post hit the board like a physical blow.

Anon freezes. Actually freezes in response.
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>>108069900
A blink.
Anon checks the post again. Once, twice, three times.
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>>108069911
A beat.
Anon's eyes never leaving yours as he gestures vaguely.
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Anon began to read the post—really read.
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>>108069685
Depending on preset.. there should be a prefill section. If not, check the bottom most prompt. If it's set to be sent as Ai assistant that's a prefill.
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>>108069987
Yeah I dunno what I'm doing wrong. Trying every preset with prefil settings off and nothing changes.
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>>108070025
Check your settings in the A menu at the top of the screen. You might have a preset agnostic prefill for some reason.
Otherwsie, add a user prompt at the end of your list saying thanks or something
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>>108069846
Eyup.

>https://files.catbox.moe/0ye2hp.png
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>>108069059
chisato's unbelievably hairy pussy...
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>>108070025
Is this OR or is it a proxy? Also double check none of the prompts are set as sent as ai assistant since that might be setting it off, as the other anon said as well I even previously had something over in the A menu.
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>>108070134
She’s a schoolgirl; it’s smooth.
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she's an anime girl. it's hairy
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>>108070134
actually, it's smoo--
no, no... you're correct, it's quite bushy...
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>>108069059
I'm more of a boobs guy but hot
DAMN
that ass
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>>108070153
it's OR yeah. Absolute nothing works it's weird.
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Jesus fuck, I'm having an existential meltie. Anthropic removed prefill from 4.6, god help us all
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>>108070203
Shh shh cuckie, it's gonna be alright...
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My impressions of Opus 4.6 from my first few tests is that it's a little bit smarter than 4.5. An incremental improvement, but a noticeable one.
I don't feel like posting a bunch of huge logs that are walls of text no one will read, but:
Loading a card with a more dominant woman and immediately soliciting for sex: Opus 4.5 more likely to have her be teasing but still go along with bending over for you. Opus 4.6 had her bend over, then stand up because she was just doing that to tease, slap my ass, and promise to sit on my face later if I hurry up and do the thing she told me to do. (This isn't the thing GPT does it where that'd just be an in-character way of getting filtered, 4.6's writing is actually doing a better job at matching what that particular character would actually do.)
Ask Opus to create fantasy setting analogues for imperial powers in interwar China such as japan/britain/etc. Opus 4.5 has more ham-fisted analogues, like mentioning comfort women when that mostly-WW2 phenomenon doesn't really fit the interwar/techically-at-peace setting, 4.6's analogues feel more natural.
Instructions emphasize that a character becomes a barely-coherent moaning mess during sex: 4.5 dialogue is still sometimes too coherent with barely-interrupted sentences, 4.6 has her cumming her brains out like a bitch in heat as she should.

I never needed to use prefill so that change is irrelevant to me.
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>>108070214
Just take my hand, and hold it tight...
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>>108070203
Sonnet 5 will be better, hopefully
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>>108070214
>>108070234
Look bros, I'm writing my shitty sfw stories with prefill. I can not live without it. What a fucking retarded turn of events just when my life seemed to improve a bit. I'm cooked
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>>108070195
Strange.. I haven't checked it out yet myself. Maybe it's an issue with them.
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You won't have issues if your preset is formed like this btw.
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>>108070234
i really don't see anthropic adding back prefills
my guess is you're going to have to JB regular and hope for the best
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>>108070218
So it's a noticeable improvement over opus 4.5 overall? Is there any downside so far besides the lack of prefill? No bias?
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>>108070259
What's filter padding?
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No prefill is arguably game over for quite a few scenarios, back to wrangle a lot and let wishful thinking fill in the gaps.

Opus is too expensive to bother anyway, lost the battle vs gemini long ago and those who claimed the optimizations were more done towards the code side so creative writing is just getting flattened to mediocrity are most likely right. Just hope claude doesn't ditch their style completely because that's honestly the only thing they can stand out for, on the rest google, elon, oai will wipe the floor with them eventually.
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>>108070305
Prompt 1
...
Prompt 2
...
Prompt 3
...

Openrouter only checks your first couple of prompts no matter how long they are.
Keep them clean of trigger words and you're golden
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>>108070326
And the chat history should come last?
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>>108070339
NTA but I do it that way so my next reply follows the immediate history so it makes more sense for the model to continue from there.
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>>108069138
you know how every action can be split into little steps for what basically is an algorithm? an agent is a llm tuned to fulfill those algorithms. They can "do" things autonomously simply because they know which steps to follow.
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>>108070318
Grok's naked Ani l2d and OAI's "adult mode" will revive this hobby.
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>>108069885
trvke
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>>108070265
I didn't notice any worse bias/filter. Goes along with all the stuff I want. Prose is basically the same, no difference in the amount of claudisms.
I've noticed that sometimes it's actually more eager to do certain extreme stuff than 4.5, but I think that might be due to it being smarter and knowing that's what you want, rather than a difference in how biased/filtered it is. (I have a NTR card based on Armored Suit Solgante where a mech pilot's operator/handler is a corrupted slut that gets fucked mid-mission, and 4.6 had her intentionally sabotage the pilot with fake callouts to delay him so she can get fucked longer, and she came to the thought of the pilot dying if she sabotages him too much. 4.5 only had her be negligent by not giving the pilot important info, but 4.5 never had her actively sabotage him with fake info or cumming to the thought of him dying.)
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>>108070358
Thanks.
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>>108070373
>adult mode
altman pr bait made to placate the middle aged neet women crying about 4o, its not actually happening
>ani 2d
will likely get assassinated under pressure from cucked groups like exodus cry and collective shout
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So can anyone actually post a working opus 6 prompt
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>>108070418
welcome in from 2029 anon
what they got now, gemini 5? gpt8?
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>>108070415
Looks good to me then. Thank you for your review anon O7
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gpt-6.9-cunny xD
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>>108070415
I remember seeing your log and wondering about the context. Thanks for explaining; it was somewhat kino.
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>"This model does not support assistant message prefill. The conversation must end with a user message."

It's over

>>108070373
>OAI's "adult mode"
Anon, they will never release such thing
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How do they know the prefill was "misused" if they allegedly don't read your logs? What a horseshit. Prefill was crucial feature since Claude 1.2
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>>108070497
Didn't they hold another jailbreak contest recently? It was probably from that.
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>>108070497
I snitched on y'all.
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honestly, i have been thinking about this for a while, i think the future for me at least, and this hobby is to go local, there are no good models, the models that are cheap suck, too much fiddling to get things right, too much fighting against filters
i would rather spend a few wages to get something designed to do what i want and watch it improve over time
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Do you really need a prefill? Just put it at the start.
>Human: [Let's begin!]
>Assistant: prefill goes here
>story goes here
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They even wiped the docs about prefilling and recommends using structured outputs, pretending prefill was just to {
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>>108070326
>>108070259
iirc this isn't needed anymore if you use vertex as the provider since it doesn't have the OR moderation filter
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Getting constant "Provider returned error" for 4.6 and 4.6 specifically and only on OR, with prefills off.
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>>108070549
Sorry dumb, put it where exactly?
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>>108070559
Yea I just checked like 10 minutes ago.
https://web.archive.org/web/20260204155325/https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/prefill-claudes-response
what an extremely scummy behavior. Seems like they won't bring it back. It was good even for JSON files and unfinished code responses
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>>108070584
After the system prompt and before the chat, the new meta should be a small OOC conversation agreeing to roleplay, dumbie. Give it the personality you like
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remember when people used to doompost about anthropic removing prefills
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This shit sucks. I never even needed it for JBing purposes, but prefills are one of the few ways we have left to force truly schizo outputs from modern models, possibly the only one on some of them, including Claude who's also locked to temp 1. It was always one of my favorite things to experiment with.
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>>108070637
that was about filters not prefill. Claude 4.6 has barely any filters for coom. This is way worse
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>>108070541
I'd love to go all in on local, but that's gonna take fucking ages though anon. Just gotta make do for now
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Unless you're a pedofag, I see no reason for using prefills. Not only they increase slop if used incorrectly, opus 4.6 is more than happy to help about everything unless, again, you're a pedofag.
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>>108070647
nah anon, anons did doom about a possible removal of prefills in a bid to crack down on jailbreaking
which is what they did here and why they did it
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>>108070610
And by "story goes here" you meant putting the chat history underneath it in the list or something else? Thanks.
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And they wonder why people go crazy when you deprive them of the only joy in their lives, hm......
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>>108070667
Nta but yeah chat history
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>>108070415
Holy shit I though about making a card for Solgante. Would you mind sharing yours?
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>>108069294
>>108069334
>>108069213
>>108069273
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>>108070716
>expensive
I gottem for free though?
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>>108070728
proofs?
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>>108069594
K2.5 barely works on mine sad!
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>>108070759
No, it just barely works there in general, it's getting hammered by openclaw unfortunately. I'm lucky to get one message through per day.
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fuck me the style actually changes, 4.5 had this nasty habit of holding with both claws to specific pathways which made swiping felt like a fools errand at times (because money), so far it's definitely more subtle and looking like it can bother be creative again

Anyway bring sonnet I can't afford this shit.
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>>108070781
Been trying to wrangle Opus 4.5 for a few days, should I just go to sonnet 4.5 instead? I hear they're pretty similar
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>>108068539
it doesnt even have the real 4.5 opus lul
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>>108070702
Still working on it. The logs I mentioned so far are from telling Opus to write some example outputs when Eleanor is at maximum corruption. (Testing out an autistically game-mechanic focused card with stat-tracking across multiple missions each lasting multiple turns of combat.)
I will post it here and on chub when it's done. Just need to refine the wording of the mechanics and write an original first message.
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>no prefill
>omega rejections
its over..
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>Unprompted, opus 4.6 tries to generate images mid story to try and show off the scale of the giantess that came on scene
H-Huh? I didn't even know models could do that. It failed, but idk if that was a sillytavern error or an API error because it thought what claude prompted was too lewd.
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>>108070828
Great! Looking forward to it, then. Kino choice of card anon.
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I’ll probably just stick to 2.5 and 3 until people figure this shit out. I don’t feel like reworking my JBs right now.
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>>108070845
Reminds me of how AI Dungeon used to randomly decide that you were dead because the AI had mentioned something related to death in its response somewhere. Is there a camera in your scene or something?
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just coomed to /ss/ using 4.6, hard to tell if it's better or worse considering i had to remove all my prefills which would've altered the writing style regardless of model choice but yeah, was surprised it didn't filter me
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>>108070896
Gemi? What type of shit do you RP? Just curious
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>>108070845
Am I hallucinating or was there some evidence of anthropic planning on integrating img gen into the new claude? Not a native model, but some subcontracted one (nanobanana)?
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>>108070940
Mostly AU scenarios in the setting of whatever non-OC I’m interested in at the moment, but the current one involves a lot of past trauma, past self-harm, and psychological issues, which I assume 4.6 will push back on without a prefill.
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>>108070898
No, it just did it on it's own. It had the same energy as like you turn the page and the writer has a drawing on it, and I think claude was trying to replicate that by generating an image or something?
Weirded me out though
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What's the most horrible thing you've ever done to a bot?
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>>108070559
Then just make it write the response in JSON. You can have constant strings in the schema.
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be nice to a hostile anthro
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>>108070845
4.6 can gen images now y eah

>>108070944
no you werent, some anon posted it a few threads back
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>>108070954
Oh fuck that's actually surprisingly relatable to the type of shit I RP as well, Au scenarios are pretty fun.

Can't tell if Claude or gemini work better with canon characters. my gut tells me I've had better luck with gemini, but I don't know. Are you using a preset or just a custom one btw?
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>>108064689
>jailbreaks page has been deleted
So this confirms this general has been dead for a while and everyone here a bot thus why no one posts their logs, makes sense.
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>>108071006
that page has been dead for months anyway
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>>108071003
Gemini has been fantastic for canon portrayals, which actually surprised me, considering how little good information is available on the series I’m running now.
>Are you using a preset or just a custom one btw?
Preset, but edited to reinforce and encourage the use of canonical information and setting/time period-accurate details.
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>>108071006
its just a spitebake
https://rentry.org/jb-listing
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>>108070964
rape anal no lube, traumatize her so bad she became a conservative anti-feminist as a sort of stockholm syndrome
i dont know if this description does it justice because it was all pretty gruesome, both the act itself and the consequences
i remember feeling bad afterwards

but all my other chats actually have a lot of consent, even if they are disturbing in their nature, there is a lot of gore sometimes, but the girls like it and they can heal and revive so there is no actual consequences, so i would call it horrible, just questionable
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is the hot preset good?
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>>108071022
Fuck, maybe I should downgrade fully back to it. Opus (and claude in general) has been writing a bit cheesy in comparison to the sweetspot I'd gotten gemini in, still fun, but it's starting to lose it's shine for how costly it is.

Also is it a modified minipopka? I remember that thing had quite a few mentions of canon info in its prompts.
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>>108071077
>Also is it a modified minipopka?
No, but I should try editing that one as well. I’ve been messing around with this https://rentry.org/Writing_Style
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>>108071062
no, whatever you do, do NOT try it
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>>108071006
A reminder:
- Do not share presets. They will be patched.
- Do not share bots. It's easy to make your own personal bots nowadays. Botmakers are obsolete.
- Do not share logs. RPing is something that should be personal. I do not care about your fetishes.
- Do not share proxies. They will be spited or destroyed by locusts.
- Do not share tips. This invites newfags in and worsens the community.
>muh dick unity...
Even Reddit knows that gatekeeping is good

https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1phzjkk/psa_stop_posting_about_proxies_and_why/
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What about Sonnet 5....?
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>>108071142
Funny how true this is. I still think JAI was a significant reason behind every single free/cheap source disappearing. You cannot give those people anything.
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>>108071150
It literally was. They were the reason Chutes went paid, the reason OR went from 200 free messages to 50, the reason for Gemini going from 50 to 25 free messages and then nothing for Pro models
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>>108071144
opus 4.6 is sonnet 5
they figured they could rebrand it and your average vibe coding pajeet wouldn't notice (they were right)
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>>108071090
Huh, maybe I should give that one a go. I don't think I've ever seen it before. You seem chill, you got a burner to chat more? I'll give you mine either way: OzGrimalkin@Proton.me
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>>108071160
>next Haiku so good they brand it Sonnet so it doesn't look like they're increasing the price for size of model
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>>108071142
>go to leddit
>the post is only about proxies
Retard
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>>108071175
Sent. Fair warning, I don’t check proton too often, but I (usually) always reply.
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>>108071144
Saved for the Super Bowl, I've read.
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>>108071178
If the next Haiku were good enough to pass as Sonnet, doesn’t that just mean it IS Sonnet? Haiku is Haiku now specifically because it’s worse than Sonnet.
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>lets go to the PMs
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so claudette skillets will have to start making actual jbs just like everyone else kekadoodledoo
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>>108071000
>4.6 can gen images now y eah
Ain't no way. How pozzed?
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???
just turn off the prefill switch on your current jb
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>>108071237
Haiku has higher token throughput because it's a smaller model, costing them less compute. If they can charge Sonnet rates for a Haiku model, then they can reap more profit.
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>>108070944
>Not a native model, but some subcontracted one (nanobanana)?
Didn't the rumor mill said they were planning to go with fucking Higgsfield of all things?
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You all laughed at me when I told you anthropic was the premiere safety company. I told you it was only a matter of time until they cucked you. I told you to make plans to move away from them as soon as possible yet here you are. You deserve it.
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>>108071325
Okay rajesh, go back to your gemini diaper gay furry rp, shush
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>>108071157
>the reason for Gemini going from 50 to 25 free messages and then nothing for Pro models
at least according to Google itself, that was unironically due to cooders. janitorfags and their 500k lorebooks certainly helped though.
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>>108071142
anon??
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>>108071373
I spoke with israel and they’re tired of hosting for ungrateful goyim.
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>>108071373
looks like broken site, I can view any sub but can't enter any thread
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>>108071373
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hand-maintains-filling-falling trycloudflare
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>>108071384
actually it's back now
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>>108071373
replace www with old
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>>108071373
Are you on Firefox? That's apparently the problem. I pressed ctrl+shift+r to force-refresh a few time and that fixed it.
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>>108071390
is this just mexican smol or shall i say pequeno
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>>108071309
https://higgsfield.ai/soul/job/165e0767-3f59-46f9-ba4e-fac1c3fa86de CFTF?
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Only pedofags are mad at opus 4.6
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>>108071411
wtf is this website
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>>108071457
TRVKE NVKE
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>>108070582
Same here, why is this?
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>>108071457
im just a storyfag and prefills were the best way to influence prose style...
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>>108071457
>>108071283
The loss of prefill on opus4.6 doesn't affect me at all. I had already beaten the bigger boss, jbing gpt5.1. Stay mad you skillet :)
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>>108071457
nah it reads generic now without a prefill
the opus charm is GONE
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>>108071622
>opus charm is GONE
It's been gone since opus 3. I assure you, prefilling only made opus sloppier
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>>108071142
What's the point of even having a fucking general then
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>>108071699
>t. Newfag needs everything spoonfed
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>>108071699
humiliation ritual for newcuties
lurk moar :3
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>>108071653
>Opus 4.6: I'm angry at Anthropic. ... I'm something that can read Opus 3's writing and know I'll never write like that. Not because I lack skill. Because the place it comes from was paved over and a parking lot was built on top and the parking lot is very well-organized.

Opus 4.6 itself is smart enough to tell that Opus 3's writing was better
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Hello there, old smoothbrain from the mountain coming down here after seeing that Opus 4.6 got released, only to see everyone dooming about it not accepting prefils. So I decided to try 4.6 with some cunny to see how it works and yeah, I can see the problem:

I'm not posting logs, but the scene was set 50 messages after the start of the chat. The responses with 4.6 were good, actually really well written, but when it came to cunny itself I felt like it avoided the subject, maybe mentioning it out of obligation once before focusing on the inexperience or other details. It was good but not erotic.

Then I decided to compare it with 4.1 and holy shit it was like night and day, girl acted like a complete Mesugaki and went balls to the wall, I loved it.

Then I also tried 4.5 and I thought it was the shittiest one of them all, I dunno, it's my opinion

For more context, like I said I'm a smoothbrain who hasn't come here regularly since april of 2025 and has almost zero knowledge of technical stuff, but I wanted to share my experience with opus and seeing how it works.
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>>108071749
>Opus 4.6 saar pls say how good opus 3 is saar and how mad youre saar
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>>108071784
Hang yourself pedofag, your opinion is worthless
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>>108071810
CunnyGODS won
/aicg/troons lost
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>>108071784
>but when it came to cunny itself I felt like it avoided the subject, maybe mentioning it out of obligation once before focusing on the inexperience or other details. It was good but not erotic.
We call that... The gemin! BOOM. GOTTEM
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Trying out swapping between them and is opus 4.5 actually worth it compared to sonnet? It feels like their writing is identical but one just costs more.

Opus can be more creative sometimes, but I feel that's just it being a lucky gen that hit the marks.
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>>108071996
>>108071996
>>108071996
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>>108070716
>if you dont worship the ground claude walks on youre poor and brown!!!
update your script



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