When did you realise all the people claiming "Wayland doesn't work" either tried it on Xfce or haven't tried it in years?
>>108074472I use Arcan. Kill yourself.
>>108074478Use case?
>>108074482Making you mad.
>>108074472What difference does it make which DE you use? It's the window manager that displays the image. If you use Kwin wayland with xfce I'm sure it works completely fine (by wayland standards). I'm over Xfce. I moved to LXQt.
The whole wayland vs xfce thing is just a 4chan tribalism. People that actually use their computers don't care. At one point their distro maintainers (jannies) switched to wayland and these people kept using their computers, barely aware of any change.
>>108074501>People that actually use their computers don't care>barely aware of any changeFuck off you lying cunt, we just had another example of peoples thinking the opposite yesterday when jeetbrains announced wayland was gonna be supported by default in their next iteration of intellijeet and accessories.Wayland has been "almost ready just 2 more weeks bro" for the past decade.
>>108074573Use it on Plasma instead of Xfce.
It doesn't work, but neither does Xorg. Both suck.
software I use doesn't support wayland so I don't use wayland, simple as
>>108074472gayland does work, but its not as good as X. its that simple, they are pushing for something that is still inferior. but hopefully it will be good.
>>108074472what does everybody think of Xlibre?
>>108074635I've used it since July last year, works fine.
>>108074595wtf based I am reading your password input rn
>>108074646Does it support HDR and desktop VRR yet?
>>108074671VRR works fine, I never tried HDR. It makes me mad enough that I'm forced to bear it when watching netflix.
>>108074671>desktop VRRUse case?
>>108074689>VRR works fineOnly in exclusive fullscreen. Which nothing uses.
Gnome is now Wayland only, Gnome is the default desktop on all the major distros, large amounts of Linux users are using Wayland without realising it and have moved on from 1987 technology.
XFCE has wayland support
>>108074472wayland doesn't offer several features like x11forwarding.
>>108074864Hardly.
>>108074877which problems have you encountered? anything that can't be chalked up to the window manager you decided to use?
>>108074895If it doesn't work out of the box, it doesn't work out of the box. Meanwhile, Plasma Wayland works out of the box. Hell, even LXQt Wayland works out of the box.
>>108074906well yes the parts come in separate boxes
>>108074472there are like two or three decent Wayland options compared to the swathe of desktops you get on X11. I only had to switch to Wayland because I got a second monitor and mixed refresh rates on X11 are pure unfettered ass.
>>108074472idk enough about wayland vs x11 but i do know i was suffering from drops on the latter that i wasn't getting on the former when i switched from xfce to kde. hopefully xfce moves to wayland in the near future or something but i guess i can stay with kde for now.
>>108074472>no screensaverdropped
>>108075183you can just use kde wayland window manager on xfce
>>108074472I used a Wayland distro on my AMD system the other day. It was not a good experience with 3 monitors which is to be expected given Wayland was designed to be used on kiosks with a single screen.
I used Fedora 43 KDE which uses wayland by default and the crapped itself as soon as a KDE update hit, 3 separate times.Idk if that’s Wayland, KDE or both but I had enough and went back to Debian + xfce/x. It just works
>>108075267Fedora KDE is a terrible distro. The Fedora KDE devs are at least on par with Arch for pushing updates that break systems. You should always be 1/2 distro versions behind if you want a working system on Fedora.
>>108075248It's funny watching these people cry about screen tearing and VRR/HDR in every thread when their shit can't even draw a mouse pointer without lagging all over the place.
>>108075302their script has not been updatedthere is no tearing in xlibre, vrr works and hdr was already demoed
>>108075319I know. I already had most of these patches before they made it to xlibre. Shit has worked fine for years you just had to dig them out of the freedesktop repo because they refused to merge anything.
>>108074472Your place is in mental asylum. One day hopefully.
>>108074472when did you realize you can't drag and drop and that everything requires portals?
>>108074635I was forced to go back on Xorg because Xlibre segfaults with anything that uses GLX, hopefully they fix this issue soon, the bug report has been sitting there for months:https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/1491Otherwise Xlibre was working fine for me before I noticed this major bug.
>using gnome for years>all these issues with wayland and everything just gets shittierbut yeah sure whatever ebussy, the issues surely is xfce.
>>108075231
>another retarded thread full of faggots who can't accept superior software due to baby duckWhy?
>>108075443Why do you lie? I just dragged from gnome files into Firefox and it worked.
>>108075686>>108074591
>>108075686Wayland is old enough to have been the first experience of many linux users, are you implying x11 is the superior software anon?
>>108074478Durden bros unite!
>>108074573I used Wayland KDE Plasma on fedora (it was the defualt DE) back in 2021 and it was dire, utter dogshit. Barely usable. Hated it ever since.But last month I tried out hyprland and I havent noticed any difference, its totally fine. X11 needs to be depreciated, its working on outdated concepts and duct taped together.
>>108074472Speaking of Wayland vs X11. I recently built a new computer, and made an interesting discovery. X11s reputation for tearing is not actually caused by x11, its modern gpus. Everyone was blaming x11, when its entirely the fault of gpus. X11 actually has perfectly working vsync. But then modern gpus fuck this up because of aggressive prefetch in the scan-out hardware. With uncomposited x11, I get a tear about 2 inches down my screen, because the gpu reads a massive amount of vram into a fifo buffer as soon as the frame starts. X11 has been fucked up by malicious negligence by gpu manufacturers.
>>108074478Features AND security? How. Dare. You? Just you wait until I tell my Redhat diversity representative >:(
It is pointless to argue. Wayland won. Get on with the times.Also, https://wayland.fyi/
>>108075869sounds like you accidentally installed xorg instead of xlibre
>>108075957Hiding the problem by adding a frame of lag is not a valid solution. Why even bother with X11 at that point, might as well just use Wayland if you throw away the input lag advantage.
>>108075999Has anyone done measurements on uncomposited xorg vs xorg with tearfree vs wayland compositors? I would be curious to know how that three way comparison stacks up.
Wayland is a meme pushed by gaymers, who should not be on Linux in the first place. As the enshittification of Linux continues, remember that they are to blame.
>>108075616I got it running but I don't have all the kde stuff installed so I can't screenshot itI just typed "kwin_wayland xfce4panel" into tty
>>108074472I try it on KDE every year or so. It's getting pretty close but there are still a couple of annoyances, and since it doesn't actually improve anything for me I just don't see the point in making the switch.
I saw it crashing constantly in a dream.
>>108074472Wayland>random issues like fullscreen applications being unable to capture your mouse, most screenshot/screen share programs dont work, some programs have insane weird lag or bugs if you don't turn off hardware acceleration>input latencyX11>works just fineHMM
>>108075231>>108075616>>108076291the window buttons dont work with kwin_wayland in xfce. either use lxqt with kwin or xfce with labwc
>>108074472Because reputations are hard to shake. I don't remember the last time I had a problem with KDE, but people still meme about "Krashes". Wayland is getting better, and has improved a lot.
>>108076593I call out Gnome on "Grashes" as well.
>>108076076tranny here, its us trannies who ruined ittrannies learn rust, trannies use systemd, trannies cant read man pages, trannies run the wiki, trannies make parasocial bonds with discord support communities
>>108074478Oh don't you worry. Soon enough, applications will start linking to specific compositor implementations of the missing features like the clipboard. Eventually the only things that work properly will be KDE and Gnome. Standardization is good for you!
>>108077013>things that work properly will be KDE thank god>and Gnome.STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME!!!
>>108076868>t. /v/irgin, posting from CachyOS
>>108074751>Which nothing uses.Literally everything that needs it. Games.
>>108076868unironically, of the 3 trannies ive ever met that admitted to using linux, 1 used a non-systemd distro. void linux
>>108075036Thank you for this post.I was trying Debian with Plasma Wayland today as a potential choice to migrate to from Windows and literally got everything working including gaming on Nvidia with very little effort but the Wayland troubles people seem to always talk about made me wonder if I should instead opt for good old xfce which I've been using on my laptop to avoid any issues. However my desktop has a mixed refresh rate monitor setup so Wayland it is.
>>108074573Nowadays daily driving Wayland is just fine unless you need that thing that isn't still supported, personally I switched to it since plasma 6 released and never used xorg again, it just works better most of the time.
>>108076048The difference is probably within margin of error to at worst like 10ms, have in mind that Wayland on kde actually supports tearing, so you can just avoid the lag entirely.
Do X11 global shortcuts work reliably on Wayland yet?
>>108078023But wayland compositors only allow tearing in fullscreen. I'm actually more curious what the difference is between xorg without tearfree and xorg with tearfree.
>>108074482listen, i NEED my transparent console, wobbly windows, and UI cube
>>108075859Try running Obsidian in a non-floating tile in Hyprland.
Does wayland have anything working for X11forwarding?
>>108078156Xwayland>>108077704Games and movies use borderless fullscreen
>>108075869>Guyz, X11 doesn't suck, it just doesn't have hardware-agnostic vsync! (Wayland does)
>>108075284>The Fedora KDE devs are at least on par with Arch for pushing updates that break systemsProof?
>>108074472what kind of retarded protocol for neet children doesn’t allow screen sharing in online calls by default. for children by children, gayland is a mistake
>>108079516It does though. The modesetting driver.
>>108079548>the user has to manually write in a vendor name (with sudo nano too kek)>hardware-agnostic
sudo nano
>>108079516Modern gpus are profoundly broken. X11 is working correctly. Working around these broken gpus requires an additional frame of lag. Which X11 does support, but its a gross work around, that nullifies one of the main reasons to use X11, and should not be necessary if gpus manufacturers were not creating broken garbage.Like, the latest AMD gpus have an outrageously massive fifo buffer, its 1536KB in size. And as soon as the active scan starts, the gpu insta-copies 1536KB from the front-buffer into this fifo buffer. This totally breaks vsync on x11, because it overtakes the bitblt.Also, if anyone has knowledge about the amd dc. I would really like to know if this problem can be fixed in drivers. It seems the buffer size can be reduced. And maybe the prefetch can be adjusted, none of the hardware seems to be documented, so its very difficult to make much sense of the driver code, but it seems there are lots of knobs to tweak.
no waylandno systemdno rustsimple as
>>108079595What? Just install the modesetting driver and nothing else and it works out of the box.
>>108079626>just-The moment you say "just do x" when we are talking about a basic, expected functionality that should be a default out-of-the-box feature, you are conceding.
>>108079643You have to install wayland to use it too. what are you even complaining about
>>108079650>You have to install wayland to use it too???The Wayland session is the default on any modern distros; I don't need to manually install it on top of the operating system.
>>108079665Did the distro magically appear on your computer? This is completely irrelevant to the original discussion which is that xorg has had a generic driver for a longass time.
>>108074472I use gnome with it and it does not work
>>108074472Idk man, I just never used X11 since my first foray with Mint like 10 years ago.Since then I've used wayland exclusively on Arch and only ever had maybe a couple inconveniences with it. Mainly when it came to multiple monitors or remote access.
>>108079670>which is that xorg has had a generic driver for a longass time.Then why do I still get tearing on it unless I open up a terminal?
>>108079710Tearfree is enabled by default in master. It not being enabled by default doesn't change the fact that the modesetting driver exists.
>>108074472I tried way' on sway but now I'm back on X and it feels like I've traveled back to the middle ages.I miss foot terminal so god damn much. Why does urxvt come with so many useless keybinds that clash with terminal UIs.
>>108079516>>Guyz, X11 doesn't suck, it just doesn't have hardware-agnostic vsync! (Wayland does)cool, when is wayland getting a fucking clipboard?
>>108080092Clipboard works just fine on Plasma.
>>108078054All those work fine on Plasma
>>108074472Idk. Werks on my machine.
>>108074472When you ask them to tell you their graphic card and they refuse because it's always Nvidia
>>108080211The 580 driver is pretty good
>been using Wayland and KDE Plasma for months>zero issuesAll of the talk about it being broken was just shitposting.
>>108078137Why would I do that? I use a pen and paper like a normal human being.
>>108076340> most screenshot/screen share programs dont work
>>108081464It's not about what you want, it's about what the people want. Your attitude is why FOSS is such a broken mess, including Wayland. >>108080211I have an AMD card. Wayland still sucks. I'll stick to X11 and just not be annoying enough to a nation-state government that the limited additional security that Wayland offers for some specific and obscure attack vectors matters. Also since nvidia fags outnumber those of us in the AMD, it's insanely moronic to play a Steve Jobs "you're holding it wrong" card. If you want your FOSS thingy to become popular, you have to make it usable to the hardware that's most popular.
>>108074501I'm small business owner that uses Linux daily as my only OS and I don't even know what the fuck Wayland is.
>>108081785>FOSS is such a broken mess, including Wayland.X11 is a complete and utter mess, its a house of cards. It's literally the entire reason Wayland exists.
>>108080211I recently changed from Nvidia to an ayyymd card and the wayland experience is a lot worse on ayymd than Nvidia (it was still shit on Nvidia) when using multiple monitors. Constant flickering, screens turning on and off randomly, random fucking ass graphical glitches. I Installed Mint and they all went away. I'm convinced the only people shilling Wayland are either Redhat employees or people who use a shitpad made in 2002 and their only usecase for their computer is posting a photo of themselves in tranny socks with their latest <insert latest trendy tiling window manager here> rice.
>>108081493grats you found one that does workmost of them dont
>>108074482being better than x11
>>108082908Well yeah>>108082892??????????????????????????????????
>>108074472Once Xfce fully switches over to Wayland you'll get a flurry from /g/ threads about how Wayland is finally good, and suddenly everyone will hate X11.
only reason i use wayland is HDR, otherwise it can go fuck itself.. its so annoying in every other aspect.
>>108075948>wlroots SUCKSI've been saying this for years but glad someone else realized
>>108084980wayland doesn't support x11forwarding
I haven't realized or cared. I don't care about inane shit.
