Do you think the internet has gotten worse since the old Geocities days when people online actually knew how to program and understood the hardware? Is there any space I can join to learn the wisdom of the oldfags?
No you fucking retard. In the 2000s there were still borderline illiterate children, obnoxious third worlders and power tripping mods all over the Internet. Anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is lying to you.
>>108075006>there were still borderline illiterate children, obnoxious third worldersOkay well I wasn't around in the early internet but I was online post 2005 before Reddit took off and when metacafe was a competitor to YouTube and I know that isn't even as close to being true as it is today so you're clearly downplaying the difference
>>108074962Internet was way better, but if there's still some good space, it's probably well gatekeptMy advice is to try learning things as they are for their own sake, and really avoid popular opinion on stuffFor example, I enjoyed OSdev way more after stopping caring about the community who pushes le shiny new fast and safe algorithms, and just made whatever I likedThe secret is to limit yourself to what matters to you instead of joining the rat raceMake a new fat32 clone, make an OS without MMU, make a VM without JIT, fuck all the standards and "current thing"s
By oldfags I mean 80s - 2004 era
I miss when the internet was mostly composed of furries
>>108075053Fuck what le current thing considers oldfag as wellWhat do you want to learn? Search up the actual thing and ignore all opinionsWanna learn PHP and Perl in 2026? Just do itThe wisdom of the past was that communities were small so there were no generalized "THE PATH", optimizations were finding more stuff instead of "what's the best tutorial"People knew how to program and understood hardware in the past because they focused on that instead of community crapLike how if you join a "learn C" community nowadays it's 90% "experts" in what book is crap and what book is recommended instead of just doing it in whatever way works!
Absolutely.Everything is shittier nowadays.Hardware increased in power and that only made the lazy programmers omit the efficiency paradigm.No need to optimize anything when you can just bruteforce processing calculations.Even design wise, everything is shittier. The way modern websites and "apps" display information is retarded.For example, on old forums we used to have an orderly list of the threads sorted by date and latest activity, so you could see all of the information at the same time and pick the one that interested the user.Now, the shitty designs just show you one (((thing))) at the time to trick you into the next engagement bait, all with the purpose of forcing interaction.Fuck that.
>>108074962It has gotten much worse than you can imagine. There is really nowhere left to go. Maybe try Fidonet.
>>108074962i will not respond you question. But the image is so vibes.
Imagine if hardware stopped increasing in power and we got stuck with Core2Duos and ddr2 rams forever. We would be forced to increase computational power through smart programming and better design.Everything in the world would be better, even the economy.Increasing hardware power didn't benefit humanity one bit, in fact it made everything worse. It shouldn't be like that but mankind is fucked and cucked.Humanity has more technology than it can handle. Consciousness didn't evolved fast enough.Destroy the matrix agents.
>>108075098Thanks for the advice anon and cute grill as well, I have been finding weird arcane lore about the internet by searching for keywords on the g archive and now I've learnt a bit of Forth, and I've also picked up from osmosis that a lot of modern programmers have a sort of cargo cult common sense dogma where they have disdain for anyone who learns a "useless" language or does something that isn't le efficient (e.g. setting up your own email)
>>108074962>Geocities days when people online actually knew how to program and understood the hardware?What era is that exactly lol. Give me a year range? It sounds like you fell for some Hollywood meme or something.I've been online since around the turn of the millennium. So i missed the 90s era. But it was just internet radio, forums, and early p2p (MP3s at first because the shit speeds made grabbing videos hard). It wasn't anything fancy or challenging in anyway. It was actually the USB stick that made a difference for me because I could spend afternoons in uni labs grabbing shit at higher speeds. Then i started using hard drives with USB adaptors and started grabbing a shitload of TV shows (Xvid/Mp3), warez, ...etc.A little bit later, edgy jihadist and Iraq war content became relatively popular in some communities. And of course porn is always and forever around.None of this online activity made you a coder or someone with hardware knowledge, nor was that some sort of prerequisite to use the internet effectively. For me personally, that came much later and had nothing to do with my online presence.I was just a wintard semi-"powerful user" (moved to linux ~2005).oh, and no, despite some nostalgia, i wouldn't trade my current unmetered gigabit connection with the internet of that time. there are still cool places around. but they are low-traffic and self-filtering, so they don't attract teenagers, or jeets. or ..., that is if they accidentally discover them in the first place.
>>108075150what efficient programs have you created?post your repos nigger
>>108074962There was never a time when most people online knew how to program. Not even in the BBS days. But the challenge of getting anything to work did inspire a lot of us to learn programming. JavaScript is pure shit. Overuse and misuse of JS is what really ruined the Web. SPAs are hard gay.
>>108075150Constraints breed creativityLimitations force innovationEither people limit themselves on their own, or they dissolve in formless slop>>108075154Yes, modern programmers are very community dependent, what they really hate is personal autonomy, like learning how to do X or Y because you woke up and remembered you have free will is a sin for them
>>108075116I really prefer old vBulletin and PhpBB format to Reddit, and I prefer Reddit to modern social media spyware algoslop like X, Bluesky, Tiktok and Instagram. At least New Zealand bird farms and RPGcodex still has that format
>>108074962>when people online actually knew how to program and understood the hardware?That was the 1980s, not the geocities days.
>>108075159Look at this matrix agent begging us humans for increases in hardware power.Fuck off bot, we ain't giving you shit. Optimize yourself or perish in the endless sea of codeslop that will eventually find it's limit to the alleged forever expanding hardware power.
>>108075244>reddit spacing >non answer too obvious rajmeet
>>108075150Yeah it seems like optimisation is atrocious all around, from bloated website layouts all the way up to AAA game engines.
>>108075185In biology this is known as hormesis, beneficial level of stress that forces adaptation
>>108075271It's called proper grammar.Nothing that a reddit AI trained bot would get.
>>108075200>vBulletinI gave almost 8 years of my life to Jelsoft just to watch them sell the company off to Internet Brands then release Xenforo the day the non-compete agreement expired. Fuck those people.
>>108075323QRD anon? All these names are new to me but that sounds awful
>>108075150We're starting to hit the physical limits of the materials we're using to build these things. That time may yet come, provided we don't burn society to the ground in the coming years.
The internet has gotten worse, but in the beginning it was filled with non-normies of all stripes, but certainly with a bias toward technical sophistication.The way to become an oldfag is to continually learn and push yourself. Someday, if you are reasonably smart, you will be a bearded, skilled elder. Something, something 10000 hours of applied effort and learning at a task makes you an expert? Yeah. Get to it.I disagree with the people in this thread bemoaning increased compute performance. Increased compute makes new things possible. Figuring out new things to do with that compute is the proper priority. As knuth said: "Premature optimization is the root of all evil" . Massive GPUs, oceans of memory, thousands of ungodly fast cores are in the future waiting for your software. What can be created? These are exciting times.
>>108074962I will not respond. But the image has vibes. I liked.
>>108075084Did AIDS kill them all?
>>108077500not all of them, but the furry-to-normie ratio has been decreasing rapdly due to the huge influx of normies and the rising of trannies (many of which are also furries, but I often see more nonfurs than furs)
>>108075032he's not wrong. you are just a retard who probably didn't venture outside of the big websites that existed. Even the community big websites that no longer exist had power tripping mods that would fucking ban you if you defend fucking Bush jr or any republican position. YTMND was the closest to 4chan but you'd still get banned by children or power tripping mods because you said something they didn't like. Shit still happens till this day on private tracker forums and irc.
>>108075084lmao fucking kill yourself furfag
>>108074962The "golden age", if there ever was one, was probably around 2005-2010. Computers were powerful enough to render sites, and internet was fast enough in most places that you could access sites relatively quickly, but social media and bots hadn't spread, so niche online spaces could flourish with relatively little money. Capitalism hadn't turned everything into an ad-infested shithole.Most people online were real, and weirdos were more visible. However, there was never really an era where the average internet user knew how to program and knew hardware specifics beyond CPU, RAM, and HDD.
the only thing 'wrong' with today's internet is how centralized it becamethere might be like 10 websites getting 95% of internet traffic nowtons of forums shut down, now everything is a reddit or a discordcompanies barely even have websites anymore, they have facebook pagesonline games? nah, everything is an APP now
How did we, third worlders, ruin the internet? You first worlders have third world women flooding your personal inbox on a daily basis. You can pay any third worlder to get naked and shake their bunda because they want your first world genes. Even pewdiepie paid subsaharans peanuts.
>>108079583> i shilled for dubyah onlinelmao you deserved to get banned by that mod
hijacking this threadanyone know of any sites wiby that make browsing the internet on old computers tolerable? i just want to look up plain html sites and lurk BBSes
